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Werid--I'm guessing the games were short and lame? A seven game series over in 2 hours can never be a good sign.
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On May 21 2013 20:51 Charlie.Sheen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 20:46 Bagi wrote:On May 21 2013 20:43 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
I think sOs probably gets beaten a lot by Soulkey in teamhouse, so he got nervous in early matches, couple of bad mistakes made him flounder even more, so comes the multiple cheeses. And both probably didn't even practice for this series. Somehow I find that highly unlikely. It's likely because of their focus on SPL, usually they only get one day practice before GSL, or even just one stay up night. And also some players did that in BW individual league before also, forgot who, they said they agreed not to practice for each other before the matches, only general practice. And it's a teamkill, coach won't care at all.
do you have a source for your first assertion?
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On May 21 2013 20:50 DidYuhim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 20:34 Type|NarutO wrote:On May 21 2013 20:29 Undead1993 wrote:On May 21 2013 20:28 Type|NarutO wrote:
SoulKey playes an amazing ZvT, much more amazing than ZvP. Hope to see a good final against BoguS wow even better tahn his zvp? i can't believe this Why that sarcasm? SoulKey is an amazing player and so is sOs. sOs won against Life 2-0 in PvZ and sometimes I feel like people need to see players like SK and sOs play in a foreign league to realize how good they are. They would easily shit on every foreign player in a prepared series hands down. I really dont understand that player bashing because you can see nerves affect them in the last map of a bo7... of the GSL semifinals. I feel that everyone's beaten Life these days.
o, that was that really super stacked tournament that life and sOs were the finalists, the semi-finalists were Flash and Innovation.
Life is very consistent.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Whoa, almost a great comeback from sOs there judging by the results.
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On May 21 2013 20:55 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 20:51 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On May 21 2013 20:46 Bagi wrote:On May 21 2013 20:43 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
I think sOs probably gets beaten a lot by Soulkey in teamhouse, so he got nervous in early matches, couple of bad mistakes made him flounder even more, so comes the multiple cheeses. And both probably didn't even practice for this series. Somehow I find that highly unlikely. It's likely because of their focus on SPL, usually they only get one day practice before GSL, or even just one stay up night. And also some players did that in BW individual league before also, forgot who, they said they agreed not to practice for each other before the matches, only general practice. And it's a teamkill, coach won't care at all. do you have a source for your first assertion?
Many interviews from proleague players said similar things about short practice before GSL, you must read them at least couple times, especially when they have a SPL match on Monday or Tuesday, they don't get any practice time at all for individual league if they want to sleep. I don't watch TL interviews, so I can't find them here. ofc semifinal is different, but it's a teamkill.
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opterown
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On May 21 2013 20:58 Charlie.Sheen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 20:55 opterown wrote:On May 21 2013 20:51 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On May 21 2013 20:46 Bagi wrote:On May 21 2013 20:43 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
I think sOs probably gets beaten a lot by Soulkey in teamhouse, so he got nervous in early matches, couple of bad mistakes made him flounder even more, so comes the multiple cheeses. And both probably didn't even practice for this series. Somehow I find that highly unlikely. It's likely because of their focus on SPL, usually they only get one day practice before GSL, or even just one stay up night. And also some players did that in BW individual league before also, forgot who, they said they agreed not to practice for each other before the matches, only general practice. And it's a teamkill, coach won't care at all. do you have a source for your first assertion? Many interviews from proleague players said similar things about short practice before GSL, especially when they have a SPL match on Monday or Tuesday, they don't get any practice time at all for individual league if they want to sleep. I don't watch TL interviews, so I can't find them here.
I read just about all the interviews and such statements feel are actually quite rare, I feel that such assertions are blown out of proportion and devalue GSL.
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Austria24417 Posts
On May 21 2013 20:58 Charlie.Sheen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 20:55 opterown wrote:On May 21 2013 20:51 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On May 21 2013 20:46 Bagi wrote:On May 21 2013 20:43 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
I think sOs probably gets beaten a lot by Soulkey in teamhouse, so he got nervous in early matches, couple of bad mistakes made him flounder even more, so comes the multiple cheeses. And both probably didn't even practice for this series. Somehow I find that highly unlikely. It's likely because of their focus on SPL, usually they only get one day practice before GSL, or even just one stay up night. And also some players did that in BW individual league before also, forgot who, they said they agreed not to practice for each other before the matches, only general practice. And it's a teamkill, coach won't care at all. do you have a source for your first assertion? Many interviews from proleague players said similar things about short practice before GSL, especially when they have a SPL match on Monday or Tuesday, they don't get any practice time at all for individual league if they want to sleep. I don't watch TL interviews, so I can't find them here. ofc semifinal is different, but it's a teamkill.
I'd consider that highly unlikely now that GSL is a qualifier for WCS.
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I feel bad for people who stayed up to watch these games. At least Symbol vs. Innovation can't be worse than this, that's a plus.
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On May 21 2013 21:00 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 20:58 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On May 21 2013 20:55 opterown wrote:On May 21 2013 20:51 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On May 21 2013 20:46 Bagi wrote:On May 21 2013 20:43 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
I think sOs probably gets beaten a lot by Soulkey in teamhouse, so he got nervous in early matches, couple of bad mistakes made him flounder even more, so comes the multiple cheeses. And both probably didn't even practice for this series. Somehow I find that highly unlikely. It's likely because of their focus on SPL, usually they only get one day practice before GSL, or even just one stay up night. And also some players did that in BW individual league before also, forgot who, they said they agreed not to practice for each other before the matches, only general practice. And it's a teamkill, coach won't care at all. do you have a source for your first assertion? Many interviews from proleague players said similar things about short practice before GSL, especially when they have a SPL match on Monday or Tuesday, they don't get any practice time at all for individual league if they want to sleep. I don't watch TL interviews, so I can't find them here. I read just about all the interviews and such statements feel are actually quite rare, I feel that such assertions are blown out of proportion and devalue GSL.
I remember that about several weeks ago probably, maybe when there were a lot of matches in GSL, for several days, almost every interview from proleague player said they didn't have time to practice, couple of them said because of the previous day SPL, coach didn't give them time to practice at all.
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opterown
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On May 21 2013 21:05 Charlie.Sheen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 21:00 opterown wrote:On May 21 2013 20:58 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On May 21 2013 20:55 opterown wrote:On May 21 2013 20:51 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On May 21 2013 20:46 Bagi wrote:On May 21 2013 20:43 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
I think sOs probably gets beaten a lot by Soulkey in teamhouse, so he got nervous in early matches, couple of bad mistakes made him flounder even more, so comes the multiple cheeses. And both probably didn't even practice for this series. Somehow I find that highly unlikely. It's likely because of their focus on SPL, usually they only get one day practice before GSL, or even just one stay up night. And also some players did that in BW individual league before also, forgot who, they said they agreed not to practice for each other before the matches, only general practice. And it's a teamkill, coach won't care at all. do you have a source for your first assertion? Many interviews from proleague players said similar things about short practice before GSL, especially when they have a SPL match on Monday or Tuesday, they don't get any practice time at all for individual league if they want to sleep. I don't watch TL interviews, so I can't find them here. I read just about all the interviews and such statements feel are actually quite rare, I feel that such assertions are blown out of proportion and devalue GSL. I remember that about several weeks ago probably, maybe when there were a lot of matches in GSL, for several days, almost every interview from proleague player said they didn't have time to practice, couple of them said because of the previous day SPL, coach didn't give them time to practice at all.
i'd appreciate a link if you have one, i see this a lot on the forums but i don't remember seeing it often in interviews at all. maybe it's selective memory or something lol
On May 21 2013 21:05 StaplerPhone wrote:
I feel bad for people who stayed up to watch these games. At least Symbol vs. Innovation can't be worse than this, that's a plus.
sure it can, it might well be one-sided cheesy games haha
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On May 21 2013 21:07 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 21:05 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On May 21 2013 21:00 opterown wrote:On May 21 2013 20:58 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On May 21 2013 20:55 opterown wrote:On May 21 2013 20:51 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On May 21 2013 20:46 Bagi wrote:On May 21 2013 20:43 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
I think sOs probably gets beaten a lot by Soulkey in teamhouse, so he got nervous in early matches, couple of bad mistakes made him flounder even more, so comes the multiple cheeses. And both probably didn't even practice for this series. Somehow I find that highly unlikely. It's likely because of their focus on SPL, usually they only get one day practice before GSL, or even just one stay up night. And also some players did that in BW individual league before also, forgot who, they said they agreed not to practice for each other before the matches, only general practice. And it's a teamkill, coach won't care at all. do you have a source for your first assertion? Many interviews from proleague players said similar things about short practice before GSL, especially when they have a SPL match on Monday or Tuesday, they don't get any practice time at all for individual league if they want to sleep. I don't watch TL interviews, so I can't find them here. I read just about all the interviews and such statements feel are actually quite rare, I feel that such assertions are blown out of proportion and devalue GSL. I remember that about several weeks ago probably, maybe when there were a lot of matches in GSL, for several days, almost every interview from proleague player said they didn't have time to practice, couple of them said because of the previous day SPL, coach didn't give them time to practice at all. i'd appreciate a link if you have one, i see this a lot on the forums but i don't remember seeing it often in interviews at all. maybe it's selective memory or something lol Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 21:05 StaplerPhone wrote:
I feel bad for people who stayed up to watch these games. At least Symbol vs. Innovation can't be worse than this, that's a plus. sure it can, it might well be one-sided cheesy games haha
I don't know, probably because I never saw non-KeSPA players complain about no practice time before GSL. We all know Bisu complained about that against their coaches multiple times during BW era. Proleague coaches have a pattern.
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Russian Federation601 Posts
On May 21 2013 20:52 RowdierBob wrote:
Werid--I'm guessing the games were short and lame? A seven game series over in 2 hours can never be a good sign.
you can't even imagine
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On May 21 2013 20:25 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 20:24 Bahajinbo wrote:
At least the last game was entertaining to watch, in relation to the previous ones... oh, was it? triple double into huk YOLO into "lol i lost but i can still dance because i have forcefields"?
Wow.
I have no idea what you mean...
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On May 21 2013 21:05 StaplerPhone wrote:
I feel bad for people who stayed up to watch these games. At least Symbol vs. Innovation can't be worse than this, that's a plus.
sure it can, it might well be one-sided cheesy games haha[/QUOTE]
Roach Bane yolo swagger zerg Symbol can do that.
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On May 21 2013 20:46 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 20:43 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
I think sOs probably gets beaten a lot by Soulkey in teamhouse, so he got nervous in early matches, couple of bad mistakes made him flounder even more, so comes the multiple cheeses. And both probably didn't even practice for this series. Somehow I find that highly unlikely.
Of course they practiced, but specifically for each other in this series? Probably not. sOs is hard to prepare for unless you play against him which Soulkey (probably) has in practice, so now how do you prepare as sOs? Play standard/greedy and try to win that way; which he tried three games and lost all three. Yes he didn't play that well those games but he probably expected longer games and he is usually the aggressor and not the defender.
Soulkey has the foreknowledge of how sOs plays but how do you practice for that? Just be safe and scout a lot, which he basically did. If he continued to do that he would have won 4-0 but... after game three Soulkey fell into the same pit he did against Parting; whether it's nerves or complacency at being one game from taking the series in both cases he started to play sloppy and make mistakes. sOs also changed up his play style and stopped letting Soulkey do what he wanted. These factors contributed to the lackluster game on Akilon from Soulkey and the subsequent lackluster games from him the rest of the series.
sOs seems to thrive well when both sides are making mistakes as long as he is in a position to force them and mind game his opponent; Soulkey apparently doesn't or at least not that series. Team matches are really weird to play and really weird to prepare for so I don't think it's a far stretch to say they didn't prepare specifically for each other, just practiced and aimed to play it standard. Well, standard until sOs threw that away and went back to his style :3
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I didn't find the series that bad tbh. People, especially teammates, are bound to cheese/bop eachother in a Bo7.
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On May 21 2013 21:14 Megapenthes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 20:25 boxerfred wrote:On May 21 2013 20:24 Bahajinbo wrote:
At least the last game was entertaining to watch, in relation to the previous ones... oh, was it? triple double into huk YOLO into "lol i lost but i can still dance because i have forcefields"? Wow. I have no idea what you mean...
2base 2immortal 2colossi allin into random gateway number allin off 2 bases  . There was a TL featured posts not a too long time ago describing those tactics as "Triple double" and "the Huk YOLO", I think it was the one regarding parting vs. soulkey in the ro8.
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lolol hilarious comments in this thread. i love the post where one said he could win from such and such position, that's a winner. i also love all the gloating from the closet esf fanboys hahaha.
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grats to soulkey for making it to the finals btw!
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On May 21 2013 21:07 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 21:05 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On May 21 2013 21:00 opterown wrote:On May 21 2013 20:58 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On May 21 2013 20:55 opterown wrote:On May 21 2013 20:51 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On May 21 2013 20:46 Bagi wrote:On May 21 2013 20:43 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
I think sOs probably gets beaten a lot by Soulkey in teamhouse, so he got nervous in early matches, couple of bad mistakes made him flounder even more, so comes the multiple cheeses. And both probably didn't even practice for this series. Somehow I find that highly unlikely. It's likely because of their focus on SPL, usually they only get one day practice before GSL, or even just one stay up night. And also some players did that in BW individual league before also, forgot who, they said they agreed not to practice for each other before the matches, only general practice. And it's a teamkill, coach won't care at all. do you have a source for your first assertion? Many interviews from proleague players said similar things about short practice before GSL, especially when they have a SPL match on Monday or Tuesday, they don't get any practice time at all for individual league if they want to sleep. I don't watch TL interviews, so I can't find them here. I read just about all the interviews and such statements feel are actually quite rare, I feel that such assertions are blown out of proportion and devalue GSL. I remember that about several weeks ago probably, maybe when there were a lot of matches in GSL, for several days, almost every interview from proleague player said they didn't have time to practice, couple of them said because of the previous day SPL, coach didn't give them time to practice at all. i'd appreciate a link if you have one, i see this a lot on the forums but i don't remember seeing it often in interviews at all. maybe it's selective memory or something lol Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 21:05 StaplerPhone wrote:
I feel bad for people who stayed up to watch these games. At least Symbol vs. Innovation can't be worse than this, that's a plus. sure it can, it might well be one-sided cheesy games haha
Ok, just saw the interview, definitely not the case I said. They practiced very well before the match, all protosses on the team helped Soulkey, and all zergs helped sOs to practice.
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