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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
May 21 2013 03:49 GMT
#1101
On May 21 2013 12:48 Sackings wrote:
wouldnt be surprised if nestea retires soon or switches to coaching. he hasnt really been relevant in the scene for almost 2 years

Don't worry, he'll take the third place at Iron Squid 3.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
May 21 2013 03:49 GMT
#1102
Zerg syndrome just mass one unit against a combination. Though Phoenix are basically buffed so strongly that they can rip through mutas and corruptors. Just need the bad Voidrays to take care of the spores and tank.
Quiet scary that the best Zerg anti air is the Queen.

Congrats Alicia nevertheless !
And Europe holds in NA as well haha.
Yunarc
Profile Joined March 2011
United States314 Posts
May 21 2013 03:49 GMT
#1103
Glad Alicia advanced, surprised that Neatea did not punish him for the play
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
May 21 2013 03:50 GMT
#1104
Sad day of WCS AM Premier =(
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
May 21 2013 03:50 GMT
#1105
Beautiful Void Ray micro. :p
betaman
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom355 Posts
May 21 2013 03:52 GMT
#1106
LOL people hating on Alicia doing the same build when NesTea did exactly the same build in both games...
Irre
Profile Joined August 2010
United States646 Posts
May 21 2013 03:52 GMT
#1107
nestea and sen lost..worst day ever
SeaSmoke
Profile Joined July 2010
United States326 Posts
May 21 2013 03:52 GMT
#1108
On May 21 2013 12:46 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 12:36 SeaSmoke wrote:
On May 21 2013 12:33 figq wrote:
On May 21 2013 12:26 SeaSmoke wrote:
On May 21 2013 12:24 TheFinalWord wrote:
Going mass corrupters to counter voids is like going mass reapers to counter blink stalkers.


Sad thing is the corrupter is supposed to be zerg's anti air specialist.

No, Blizzard put Void Ray as counter to corruptor, since the beginning - because void ray have bonus vs armored.


What???

http://www.battle.net/sc2/en/game/unit/corruptor
Weak against: Void Ray
http://www.battle.net/sc2/en/game/unit/void-ray
Strong against: Corruptor

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Void_Ray_(Heart_of_the_Swarm)
Bonus: +4 vs Armored
+10 vs Armored (Prismatic Alignment)

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Corruptor
Attributes: Armored, Biological

In fact, the weak/strong against data is in Liquipedia too.


Yes, we all know corrupters suck vs voids in hots. Thats not up for debate.

But you make it sound as if the void ray was designed to counter corrupters. They changed the void ray charge ability because it was "too random" according to David Kim.

They end up giving it a charge ability that happens to melt through the most sensible answer to voids that zergs have.



Polygamy
Profile Joined January 2010
Austria1114 Posts
May 21 2013 03:52 GMT
#1109
Got my liquidbet right!
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
May 21 2013 03:52 GMT
#1110
On May 21 2013 12:52 betaman wrote:
LOL people hating on Alicia doing the same build when NesTea did exactly the same build in both games...


same comp. very different builds.
"Right on" - Morrow
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
May 21 2013 03:53 GMT
#1111
poor nestea
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
May 21 2013 03:54 GMT
#1112
On May 21 2013 12:52 SeaSmoke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 12:46 figq wrote:
On May 21 2013 12:36 SeaSmoke wrote:
On May 21 2013 12:33 figq wrote:
On May 21 2013 12:26 SeaSmoke wrote:
On May 21 2013 12:24 TheFinalWord wrote:
Going mass corrupters to counter voids is like going mass reapers to counter blink stalkers.


Sad thing is the corrupter is supposed to be zerg's anti air specialist.

No, Blizzard put Void Ray as counter to corruptor, since the beginning - because void ray have bonus vs armored.


What???

http://www.battle.net/sc2/en/game/unit/corruptor
Weak against: Void Ray
http://www.battle.net/sc2/en/game/unit/void-ray
Strong against: Corruptor

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Void_Ray_(Heart_of_the_Swarm)
Bonus: +4 vs Armored
+10 vs Armored (Prismatic Alignment)

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Corruptor
Attributes: Armored, Biological

In fact, the weak/strong against data is in Liquipedia too.


Yes, we all know corrupters suck vs voids in hots. Thats not up for debate.

But you make it sound as if the void ray was designed to counter corrupters. They changed the void ray charge ability because it was "too random" according to David Kim.

They end up giving it a charge ability that happens to melt through the most sensible answer to voids that zergs have.





Most sensible? Really? Try Hydra/Queen/Infestor, that should work far better than Corruptors
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 03:58:57
May 21 2013 03:56 GMT
#1113
On May 21 2013 12:52 SeaSmoke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 12:46 figq wrote:
On May 21 2013 12:36 SeaSmoke wrote:
On May 21 2013 12:33 figq wrote:
On May 21 2013 12:26 SeaSmoke wrote:
On May 21 2013 12:24 TheFinalWord wrote:
Going mass corrupters to counter voids is like going mass reapers to counter blink stalkers.


Sad thing is the corrupter is supposed to be zerg's anti air specialist.

No, Blizzard put Void Ray as counter to corruptor, since the beginning - because void ray have bonus vs armored.


What???

http://www.battle.net/sc2/en/game/unit/corruptor
Weak against: Void Ray
http://www.battle.net/sc2/en/game/unit/void-ray
Strong against: Corruptor

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Void_Ray_(Heart_of_the_Swarm)
Bonus: +4 vs Armored
+10 vs Armored (Prismatic Alignment)

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Corruptor
Attributes: Armored, Biological

In fact, the weak/strong against data is in Liquipedia too.


Yes, we all know corrupters suck vs voids in hots. Thats not up for debate.

But you make it sound as if the void ray was designed to counter corrupters. They changed the void ray charge ability because it was "too random" according to David Kim.

They end up giving it a charge ability that happens to melt through the most sensible answer to voids that zergs have.
Absolutely the same tables applied in WoL - bonus vs armored, and VR as counter to corruptor listed by Blizz since SC2 beta.

The main difference is in WoL Broodlords were so important that people massed so many corruptors (with good reason) that Protoss would not have as good reason to mass Void Rays on a similiar scale. And of course, more stuff beats less stuff, even when it goes against the basic unit design.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 21 2013 03:56 GMT
#1114
On May 21 2013 12:52 betaman wrote:
LOL people hating on Alicia doing the same build when NesTea did exactly the same build in both games...


Nestea is a more popular player than Alicia, it shouldn't be a surprise that many people aren't happy
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
diophan
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1018 Posts
May 21 2013 04:00 GMT
#1115
Nestea was just having this terrible nightmare where he was playing RO16 and kept trying to build corruptors against mass void ray.
pak150
Profile Joined September 2010
United States531 Posts
May 21 2013 04:00 GMT
#1116
On May 21 2013 12:56 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 12:52 betaman wrote:
LOL people hating on Alicia doing the same build when NesTea did exactly the same build in both games...


Nestea is a more popular player than Alicia, it shouldn't be a surprise that many people aren't happy


It's also an entertainment factor — Nestea, even though his builds are pretty similar, is a fun player to watch. He does wacky things and fights back from crazy deficits. Alicia's build, while certainly solid and strong, is just not that fun to watch. Massing an air army and A-moving out just doesn't do it for me.
mongoose22
Profile Joined July 2012
174 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 04:03:46
May 21 2013 04:00 GMT
#1117
Personally I expect the void ray's bonus vs. armored to be toned down at some point, but Nestea's decision to go corruptors was terrible.The mixed air in the second game was better, but zerg's air just isn't efficient enough to take down a skytoss death ball, it would seem. He probably could've gotten better results trying to hit some good fungals.
Zoygot
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada42 Posts
May 21 2013 04:01 GMT
#1118
I think some of the hate should be redirected from Alicia and into constructive ways on adjusting void rays as a unit. You can't hate on the man for making them the way they currently are within the game.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 21 2013 04:04 GMT
#1119
On May 21 2013 13:01 Zoygot wrote:
I think some of the hate should be redirected from Alicia and into constructive ways on adjusting void rays as a unit. You can't hate on the man for making them the way they currently are within the game.


There shouldn't be any hate directed at anybody or any unit. That's ridiculous. Anyone who is using today's matches as an example of balance is looking at way too small of a sample size. It wasn't like Nestea played amazingly, he made several critical mistakes, while Alicia is pretty experienced with this style.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
May 21 2013 04:04 GMT
#1120
On May 21 2013 12:54 Entirety wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 12:52 SeaSmoke wrote:
On May 21 2013 12:46 figq wrote:
On May 21 2013 12:36 SeaSmoke wrote:
On May 21 2013 12:33 figq wrote:
On May 21 2013 12:26 SeaSmoke wrote:
On May 21 2013 12:24 TheFinalWord wrote:
Going mass corrupters to counter voids is like going mass reapers to counter blink stalkers.


Sad thing is the corrupter is supposed to be zerg's anti air specialist.

No, Blizzard put Void Ray as counter to corruptor, since the beginning - because void ray have bonus vs armored.


What???

http://www.battle.net/sc2/en/game/unit/corruptor
Weak against: Void Ray
http://www.battle.net/sc2/en/game/unit/void-ray
Strong against: Corruptor

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Void_Ray_(Heart_of_the_Swarm)
Bonus: +4 vs Armored
+10 vs Armored (Prismatic Alignment)

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Corruptor
Attributes: Armored, Biological

In fact, the weak/strong against data is in Liquipedia too.


Yes, we all know corrupters suck vs voids in hots. Thats not up for debate.

But you make it sound as if the void ray was designed to counter corrupters. They changed the void ray charge ability because it was "too random" according to David Kim.

They end up giving it a charge ability that happens to melt through the most sensible answer to voids that zergs have.





Most sensible? Really? Try Hydra/Queen/Infestor, that should work far better than Corruptors


It may work better, but force fields wreck hydra comps.
"Even gophers love Starcraft" - Tasteless. || Davichi | IU <3
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