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On May 18 2013 00:51 sitromit wrote:
I don't think you can blame Gerard for not sending out anyone else. These guys must play in-house ranking games. If he actually believed they even remotely stood a chance, he would probably give it a shot.
If Gerard is the team manager, and his team has failed to recruit young talent to the point that they rely on a 4-player rotation for weeks on end, yes he is culpable...
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On May 18 2013 00:57 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 00:51 sitromit wrote:
I don't think you can blame Gerard for not sending out anyone else. These guys must play in-house ranking games. If he actually believed they even remotely stood a chance, he would probably give it a shot. If Gerard is the team manager, and his team has failed to recruit young talent to the point that they rely on a 4-player rotation for weeks on end, yes he is culpable...
Well that's another can of worms entirely, we're just talking about the picks during the matches here. If you want to talk about Prime's troubles as a team, it's clear that they have some issues.
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On May 17 2013 23:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 23:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 17 2013 23:00 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 17 2013 22:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 17 2013 22:48 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 17 2013 20:43 Killmouse wrote:
prime is egtl of gstl no thats definately NSH. NSH beat Prime though. Poor Prime, they're getting crushed left and right. Overall on players I think Prime is the better team though. Frankly I think something needs to change in the PRIME mentality, they keep sending Byun/Maru/MKP/Creator, no Zergs to be seen. People prob just prepare for those four only making it hard for them to show results. They need to have a little more faith in their other squad members to atleast see some games. I swear the entire NSH team is in Code B... The reason they keep sending Byun/Maru/MKP/Creator is because the rest of their players are code B with no experience. Having a Zerg or two to field would be great, but keep in mind their roster no longer includes Annyung, Terius, BboongBboong, Salmosa.. Unlike the IM of past, I don't think Prime can afford to just send out their inexperienced players and hope for the best, they're throwing the best they've currently got in an attempt to not get completely stomped and fade into irrelevance, especially considering their players haven't been doing all too well in individual leagues lately either. Sad situation. :s It's certainly time to start recruiting some new dogs to chew some bones.
The problem is than, unlike a team like NHSEO, they still have 4 players relevant (they are all in up and down, except byun that still have to beat rain  ), so it's a hard decision to send an inexperimented player over a code A/S regular, that is still relevant (NHSEO can do what they want, evryone is in code B
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On May 18 2013 00:51 sitromit wrote:
I don't think you can blame Gerard for not sending out anyone else. These guys must play in-house ranking games. If he actually believed they even remotely stood a chance, he would probably give it a shot.
Maybe but they are still on the team. Seeing their teammates getting killed time and time again without even having a chance to fight themselves has to feel really bad.
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On May 18 2013 01:22 kubiks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 23:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 17 2013 23:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 17 2013 23:00 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 17 2013 22:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 17 2013 22:48 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 17 2013 20:43 Killmouse wrote:
prime is egtl of gstl no thats definately NSH. NSH beat Prime though. Poor Prime, they're getting crushed left and right. Overall on players I think Prime is the better team though. Frankly I think something needs to change in the PRIME mentality, they keep sending Byun/Maru/MKP/Creator, no Zergs to be seen. People prob just prepare for those four only making it hard for them to show results. They need to have a little more faith in their other squad members to atleast see some games. I swear the entire NSH team is in Code B... The reason they keep sending Byun/Maru/MKP/Creator is because the rest of their players are code B with no experience. Having a Zerg or two to field would be great, but keep in mind their roster no longer includes Annyung, Terius, BboongBboong, Salmosa.. Unlike the IM of past, I don't think Prime can afford to just send out their inexperienced players and hope for the best, they're throwing the best they've currently got in an attempt to not get completely stomped and fade into irrelevance, especially considering their players haven't been doing all too well in individual leagues lately either. Sad situation. :s It's certainly time to start recruiting some new dogs to chew some bones. The problem is than, unlike a team like NHSEO, they still have 4 players relevant (they are all in up and down, except byun that still have to beat rain ), so it's a hard decision to send an inexperimented player over a code A/S regular, that is still relevant (NHSEO can do what they want, evryone is in code B
Well IM did it and look where they are now. I still remember the LR going crazy every time the IM coach refused to send Mvp/Losira/Nestea (back then their top3). And now look where they are now, a freaking powerhouse with so much players they need to choose ahead simply cause of the bench limit. (they need to get a bit better in teamleagues but their is progress)
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On May 18 2013 02:18 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 01:22 kubiks wrote:On May 17 2013 23:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 17 2013 23:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 17 2013 23:00 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 17 2013 22:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 17 2013 22:48 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 17 2013 20:43 Killmouse wrote:
prime is egtl of gstl no thats definately NSH. NSH beat Prime though. Poor Prime, they're getting crushed left and right. Overall on players I think Prime is the better team though. Frankly I think something needs to change in the PRIME mentality, they keep sending Byun/Maru/MKP/Creator, no Zergs to be seen. People prob just prepare for those four only making it hard for them to show results. They need to have a little more faith in their other squad members to atleast see some games. I swear the entire NSH team is in Code B... The reason they keep sending Byun/Maru/MKP/Creator is because the rest of their players are code B with no experience. Having a Zerg or two to field would be great, but keep in mind their roster no longer includes Annyung, Terius, BboongBboong, Salmosa.. Unlike the IM of past, I don't think Prime can afford to just send out their inexperienced players and hope for the best, they're throwing the best they've currently got in an attempt to not get completely stomped and fade into irrelevance, especially considering their players haven't been doing all too well in individual leagues lately either. Sad situation. :s It's certainly time to start recruiting some new dogs to chew some bones. The problem is than, unlike a team like NHSEO, they still have 4 players relevant (they are all in up and down, except byun that still have to beat rain ), so it's a hard decision to send an inexperimented player over a code A/S regular, that is still relevant (NHSEO can do what they want, evryone is in code B Well IM did it and look where they are now. I still remember the LR going crazy every time the IM coach refused to send Mvp/Losira/Nestea (back then their top3). And now look where they are now, a freaking powerhouse with so much players they need to choose ahead simply cause of the bench limit. (they need to get a bit better in teamleagues but their is progress)
In the long term, yes, this is a great strategy to employ.
However like I pointed out earlier, I don't think this is feasible for Prime. Keep in mind IM had Mvp (and NesTea) winning tournaments left and right, both in Korea and outside. They had the exposure, they had the money, they even had that partnership with Quantic a bit later on. They also had a slightly larger roster. Prime doesn't have the same possibilities, at least by the looks of it. They're not only failing in team leagues, but failing overall in terms of results. Hopefully things will pick up for them. :/
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Yay, LG-IM got the all-kill. That's the best case scenario for them since I really hoped they'll make the playoffs.
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On May 18 2013 02:27 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 02:18 Assirra wrote:On May 18 2013 01:22 kubiks wrote:On May 17 2013 23:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 17 2013 23:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 17 2013 23:00 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 17 2013 22:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 17 2013 22:48 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 17 2013 20:43 Killmouse wrote:
prime is egtl of gstl no thats definately NSH. NSH beat Prime though. Poor Prime, they're getting crushed left and right. Overall on players I think Prime is the better team though. Frankly I think something needs to change in the PRIME mentality, they keep sending Byun/Maru/MKP/Creator, no Zergs to be seen. People prob just prepare for those four only making it hard for them to show results. They need to have a little more faith in their other squad members to atleast see some games. I swear the entire NSH team is in Code B... The reason they keep sending Byun/Maru/MKP/Creator is because the rest of their players are code B with no experience. Having a Zerg or two to field would be great, but keep in mind their roster no longer includes Annyung, Terius, BboongBboong, Salmosa.. Unlike the IM of past, I don't think Prime can afford to just send out their inexperienced players and hope for the best, they're throwing the best they've currently got in an attempt to not get completely stomped and fade into irrelevance, especially considering their players haven't been doing all too well in individual leagues lately either. Sad situation. :s It's certainly time to start recruiting some new dogs to chew some bones. The problem is than, unlike a team like NHSEO, they still have 4 players relevant (they are all in up and down, except byun that still have to beat rain ), so it's a hard decision to send an inexperimented player over a code A/S regular, that is still relevant (NHSEO can do what they want, evryone is in code B Well IM did it and look where they are now. I still remember the LR going crazy every time the IM coach refused to send Mvp/Losira/Nestea (back then their top3). And now look where they are now, a freaking powerhouse with so much players they need to choose ahead simply cause of the bench limit. (they need to get a bit better in teamleagues but their is progress) In the long term, yes, this is a great strategy to employ. However like I pointed out earlier, I don't think this is feasible for Prime. Keep in mind IM had Mvp (and NesTea) winning tournaments left and right, both in Korea and outside. They had the exposure, they had the money, they even had that partnership with Quantic a bit later on. They also had a slightly larger roster. Prime doesn't have the same possibilities, at least by the looks of it. They're not only failing in team leagues, but failing overall in terms of results. Hopefully things will pick up for them. :/
True but is this so much better? I think its fair to say the way they are doing it currently is simply not working. Not to mention you got people coming to the studio everytime knowing they won't play anyway, has to feel depressing.
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I'm going to post what i posted in a different thread because I think it is a bit more relevant here.
I'm honesty surprised Prime hasn't disbanded yet. Prime always is looking for more players yet turn away some pretty damn good players when they have them (ST.Brain, Salmosa (who was kicked)). The Prime team doesn't have a proper coach either, Gerrard almost never spend his time with the players because he is too busy with managing the team. Thats why we saw annyeong and Classic leave the team, because they basically took on coach roles more than anything and they wanted out of it all.
Prime doesn't have good business sense, even things that would be great for the players. I really honestly feel bad for Creator, having to carry the weight of his entire team, at only 17. I've seen the amount of stress creator gets during practice. That's why so many people leave prime. Prime doesn't have a structured practice regime, which forces players to play way more than they should. That causes them to lose sleep and get stressed out. They need a proper practice schedule and a proper coach. But they won't get either. They need time to rest and have fun, but don't get to do much of that either, at least not anyone but mkp.
Anyways I'm venting, but seeing this makes me sad. If they had bothered to take care of the amazing players they once had, they would be such an awesome team.
Gerrard doesn't actually watch any of his player's replays. He doesn't actually spend any time with the players at all. I remember when I was living in the house, I would only see Gerrard during meal time. That was about it.
Then Gerrard goes on to remove players from his team (salmosa being a good example) for lack of skill, yet has never actually spent time with him to improve his skill. leaving him only to ladder and attempt to find practice partners on his own. same has gone for all prime players. they all have to find their own practice partners, and most of the time they just ladder instead. They don't even do in house rankings.
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creator not adapting to hots well :/
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Hah, this is First's second time all killing Prime, well done.
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On May 18 2013 05:15 Dodgin wrote:
Hah, this is First's second time all killing Prime, well done.
First should've quoted soO in the interview, if anyone can make that statement, it's him. ;p
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On May 18 2013 03:10 masterbreti wrote:I'm going to post what i posted in a different thread because I think it is a bit more relevant here. Show nested quote +
I'm honesty surprised Prime hasn't disbanded yet. Prime always is looking for more players yet turn away some pretty damn good players when they have them (ST.Brain, Salmosa (who was kicked)). The Prime team doesn't have a proper coach either, Gerrard almost never spend his time with the players because he is too busy with managing the team. Thats why we saw annyeong and Classic leave the team, because they basically took on coach roles more than anything and they wanted out of it all.
Prime doesn't have good business sense, even things that would be great for the players. I really honestly feel bad for Creator, having to carry the weight of his entire team, at only 17. I've seen the amount of stress creator gets during practice. That's why so many people leave prime. Prime doesn't have a structured practice regime, which forces players to play way more than they should. That causes them to lose sleep and get stressed out. They need a proper practice schedule and a proper coach. But they won't get either. They need time to rest and have fun, but don't get to do much of that either, at least not anyone but mkp.
Anyways I'm venting, but seeing this makes me sad. If they had bothered to take care of the amazing players they once had, they would be such an awesome team.
Gerrard doesn't actually watch any of his player's replays. He doesn't actually spend any time with the players at all. I remember when I was living in the house, I would only see Gerrard during meal time. That was about it.
Then Gerrard goes on to remove players from his team (salmosa being a good example) for lack of skill, yet has never actually spent time with him to improve his skill. leaving him only to ladder and attempt to find practice partners on his own. same has gone for all prime players. they all have to find their own practice partners, and most of the time they just ladder instead. They don't even do in house rankings.
Why does only MKP get time to rest and have fun?
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On May 18 2013 05:40 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 03:10 masterbreti wrote:I'm going to post what i posted in a different thread because I think it is a bit more relevant here.
I'm honesty surprised Prime hasn't disbanded yet. Prime always is looking for more players yet turn away some pretty damn good players when they have them (ST.Brain, Salmosa (who was kicked)). The Prime team doesn't have a proper coach either, Gerrard almost never spend his time with the players because he is too busy with managing the team. Thats why we saw annyeong and Classic leave the team, because they basically took on coach roles more than anything and they wanted out of it all.
Prime doesn't have good business sense, even things that would be great for the players. I really honestly feel bad for Creator, having to carry the weight of his entire team, at only 17. I've seen the amount of stress creator gets during practice. That's why so many people leave prime. Prime doesn't have a structured practice regime, which forces players to play way more than they should. That causes them to lose sleep and get stressed out. They need a proper practice schedule and a proper coach. But they won't get either. They need time to rest and have fun, but don't get to do much of that either, at least not anyone but mkp.
Anyways I'm venting, but seeing this makes me sad. If they had bothered to take care of the amazing players they once had, they would be such an awesome team.
Gerrard doesn't actually watch any of his player's replays. He doesn't actually spend any time with the players at all. I remember when I was living in the house, I would only see Gerrard during meal time. That was about it.
Then Gerrard goes on to remove players from his team (salmosa being a good example) for lack of skill, yet has never actually spent time with him to improve his skill. leaving him only to ladder and attempt to find practice partners on his own. same has gone for all prime players. they all have to find their own practice partners, and most of the time they just ladder instead. They don't even do in house rankings.
Why does only MKP get time to rest and have fun?
Because he is the only one who actually has any money to go out is one reason, the second being is that he is the only one that Gerrard won't scold for not practicing.
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On May 18 2013 06:11 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 05:40 HolyArrow wrote:On May 18 2013 03:10 masterbreti wrote:I'm going to post what i posted in a different thread because I think it is a bit more relevant here.
I'm honesty surprised Prime hasn't disbanded yet. Prime always is looking for more players yet turn away some pretty damn good players when they have them (ST.Brain, Salmosa (who was kicked)). The Prime team doesn't have a proper coach either, Gerrard almost never spend his time with the players because he is too busy with managing the team. Thats why we saw annyeong and Classic leave the team, because they basically took on coach roles more than anything and they wanted out of it all.
Prime doesn't have good business sense, even things that would be great for the players. I really honestly feel bad for Creator, having to carry the weight of his entire team, at only 17. I've seen the amount of stress creator gets during practice. That's why so many people leave prime. Prime doesn't have a structured practice regime, which forces players to play way more than they should. That causes them to lose sleep and get stressed out. They need a proper practice schedule and a proper coach. But they won't get either. They need time to rest and have fun, but don't get to do much of that either, at least not anyone but mkp.
Anyways I'm venting, but seeing this makes me sad. If they had bothered to take care of the amazing players they once had, they would be such an awesome team.
Gerrard doesn't actually watch any of his player's replays. He doesn't actually spend any time with the players at all. I remember when I was living in the house, I would only see Gerrard during meal time. That was about it.
Then Gerrard goes on to remove players from his team (salmosa being a good example) for lack of skill, yet has never actually spent time with him to improve his skill. leaving him only to ladder and attempt to find practice partners on his own. same has gone for all prime players. they all have to find their own practice partners, and most of the time they just ladder instead. They don't even do in house rankings.
Why does only MKP get time to rest and have fun? Because he is the only one who actually has any money to go out is one reason, the second being is that he is the only one that Gerrard won't scold for not practicing.
Wow, as if I needed another reason to be a MKP anti-fan... xD I guess that's not really his fault though, more Gerrard being biased. It's just kind of annoying thinking about one player getting significantly special treatment in one way or another.
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On May 18 2013 06:11 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 05:40 HolyArrow wrote:On May 18 2013 03:10 masterbreti wrote:I'm going to post what i posted in a different thread because I think it is a bit more relevant here.
I'm honesty surprised Prime hasn't disbanded yet. Prime always is looking for more players yet turn away some pretty damn good players when they have them (ST.Brain, Salmosa (who was kicked)). The Prime team doesn't have a proper coach either, Gerrard almost never spend his time with the players because he is too busy with managing the team. Thats why we saw annyeong and Classic leave the team, because they basically took on coach roles more than anything and they wanted out of it all.
Prime doesn't have good business sense, even things that would be great for the players. I really honestly feel bad for Creator, having to carry the weight of his entire team, at only 17. I've seen the amount of stress creator gets during practice. That's why so many people leave prime. Prime doesn't have a structured practice regime, which forces players to play way more than they should. That causes them to lose sleep and get stressed out. They need a proper practice schedule and a proper coach. But they won't get either. They need time to rest and have fun, but don't get to do much of that either, at least not anyone but mkp.
Anyways I'm venting, but seeing this makes me sad. If they had bothered to take care of the amazing players they once had, they would be such an awesome team.
Gerrard doesn't actually watch any of his player's replays. He doesn't actually spend any time with the players at all. I remember when I was living in the house, I would only see Gerrard during meal time. That was about it.
Then Gerrard goes on to remove players from his team (salmosa being a good example) for lack of skill, yet has never actually spent time with him to improve his skill. leaving him only to ladder and attempt to find practice partners on his own. same has gone for all prime players. they all have to find their own practice partners, and most of the time they just ladder instead. They don't even do in house rankings.
Why does only MKP get time to rest and have fun? Because he is the only one who actually has any money to go out is one reason, the second being is that he is the only one that Gerrard won't scold for not practicing.
So the rumors about MKP not practicing are true?
It's kind of shocking to hear that they don't do in-house ranking matches.
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On May 18 2013 07:07 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 06:11 masterbreti wrote:On May 18 2013 05:40 HolyArrow wrote:On May 18 2013 03:10 masterbreti wrote:I'm going to post what i posted in a different thread because I think it is a bit more relevant here.
I'm honesty surprised Prime hasn't disbanded yet. Prime always is looking for more players yet turn away some pretty damn good players when they have them (ST.Brain, Salmosa (who was kicked)). The Prime team doesn't have a proper coach either, Gerrard almost never spend his time with the players because he is too busy with managing the team. Thats why we saw annyeong and Classic leave the team, because they basically took on coach roles more than anything and they wanted out of it all.
Prime doesn't have good business sense, even things that would be great for the players. I really honestly feel bad for Creator, having to carry the weight of his entire team, at only 17. I've seen the amount of stress creator gets during practice. That's why so many people leave prime. Prime doesn't have a structured practice regime, which forces players to play way more than they should. That causes them to lose sleep and get stressed out. They need a proper practice schedule and a proper coach. But they won't get either. They need time to rest and have fun, but don't get to do much of that either, at least not anyone but mkp.
Anyways I'm venting, but seeing this makes me sad. If they had bothered to take care of the amazing players they once had, they would be such an awesome team.
Gerrard doesn't actually watch any of his player's replays. He doesn't actually spend any time with the players at all. I remember when I was living in the house, I would only see Gerrard during meal time. That was about it.
Then Gerrard goes on to remove players from his team (salmosa being a good example) for lack of skill, yet has never actually spent time with him to improve his skill. leaving him only to ladder and attempt to find practice partners on his own. same has gone for all prime players. they all have to find their own practice partners, and most of the time they just ladder instead. They don't even do in house rankings.
Why does only MKP get time to rest and have fun? Because he is the only one who actually has any money to go out is one reason, the second being is that he is the only one that Gerrard won't scold for not practicing. So the rumors about MKP not practicing are true? It's kind of shocking to hear that they don't do in-house ranking matches.
It doesnt sound like they really do anything at this point. just a bunch of guys laddering at the same house :/
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On May 18 2013 06:48 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 06:11 masterbreti wrote:On May 18 2013 05:40 HolyArrow wrote:On May 18 2013 03:10 masterbreti wrote:I'm going to post what i posted in a different thread because I think it is a bit more relevant here.
I'm honesty surprised Prime hasn't disbanded yet. Prime always is looking for more players yet turn away some pretty damn good players when they have them (ST.Brain, Salmosa (who was kicked)). The Prime team doesn't have a proper coach either, Gerrard almost never spend his time with the players because he is too busy with managing the team. Thats why we saw annyeong and Classic leave the team, because they basically took on coach roles more than anything and they wanted out of it all.
Prime doesn't have good business sense, even things that would be great for the players. I really honestly feel bad for Creator, having to carry the weight of his entire team, at only 17. I've seen the amount of stress creator gets during practice. That's why so many people leave prime. Prime doesn't have a structured practice regime, which forces players to play way more than they should. That causes them to lose sleep and get stressed out. They need a proper practice schedule and a proper coach. But they won't get either. They need time to rest and have fun, but don't get to do much of that either, at least not anyone but mkp.
Anyways I'm venting, but seeing this makes me sad. If they had bothered to take care of the amazing players they once had, they would be such an awesome team.
Gerrard doesn't actually watch any of his player's replays. He doesn't actually spend any time with the players at all. I remember when I was living in the house, I would only see Gerrard during meal time. That was about it.
Then Gerrard goes on to remove players from his team (salmosa being a good example) for lack of skill, yet has never actually spent time with him to improve his skill. leaving him only to ladder and attempt to find practice partners on his own. same has gone for all prime players. they all have to find their own practice partners, and most of the time they just ladder instead. They don't even do in house rankings.
Why does only MKP get time to rest and have fun? Because he is the only one who actually has any money to go out is one reason, the second being is that he is the only one that Gerrard won't scold for not practicing. Wow, as if I needed another reason to be a MKP anti-fan... xD I guess that's not really his fault though, more Gerrard being biased. It's just kind of annoying thinking about one player getting significantly special treatment in one way or another.
I only posted one example of that sort of mindset. mkp was able to get away with a lot more than everyone else. stuff that wouldn't be appropriate to post on TL. But even others things like mkp being very loud in the middle of practice, doing really kinda stupid stuff and distracting others from proper practice.
I think mkp more just lacks maturity, whereas someone like Creator has it in spades. Seriously Creator is one of the more hardworking players, whether that has changed I am not sure, I have not spoken to creator in a few months. mkp just doesn't worry or care about anyone else around him, I don't think he ever had that part of his brain developed. He has been in and out of teamhouses since he was like 15-16, that he forgets sometimes that this isn't his personal playhouse.
Personally I was shocked as well they didn't to in house rankings and barely (if ever) practiced against each other. It was very disappointing after a few weeks i had arrived at the house, I was just left to my own devices really and had to work on my own. I wish I had went to a different house, I would have improved much faster than I did at the prime house. They don't have a practice schedule, so players either slack off (most of primes players skill declines can be attributed to this), or they work themselves too hard. If Gerrard would just hire a coach who could get everyone into a strict practice regime, it would work wonders for prime. Prime players would have less stress, and would have free time to have fun (I remember a story about this actually, Gerrard was out for the evening and Byun was playing LoL, Classic saw me watching byun play and told me that I had to keep it a secret because Gerrard would get mad if he saw anyone playing other games than starcraft).
Stuff like that really is why prime won't be successful. I remember When they won the GSTL last year, I was in the house at the time. They slacked off pretty much constantly after they won, after they overworked themselves to the bone beforehand. They don't have any balance in their lives, and Gerrard take every chance he gets to save a penny, not even hiring a maid or proper cook to come around to make sure they get fresh food.
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