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Maasked
Profile Joined December 2011
United States567 Posts
May 15 2013 10:57 GMT
#981
After the allin Trap ends up perfectly even with Effort
the conspiracy continues
TwitchTV as Maaasked I stream hots (rarely)
Fenneth
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia354 Posts
May 15 2013 10:57 GMT
#982
On May 15 2013 19:53 Fenneth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 19:50 Fenneth wrote:
Effort vs Trap Game 2 - DF Atlas


0:00-5:00

Trap starts with gate first
Effort pools before hatch

Effort has sent his overlord in the correct direction and finds the gateway expand


Effort takes a gas
Trap takes a second gas, starts his natural nexus and a msc

4 lings are in Trap's base preventing a natural wall from being built
Effort just drones up and starts ling speed

5:00-10:00

Trap walls off with 2 more gates, makes a stargate in his main
Effort just droning off 2 bases

Effort starts 2 evo chambers and a few lings
Trap adds a third gas and starts phoenix production and a forge

Effort starts +1/+1 and a lair, takes more gases, starts a 3rd hatch
Trap starts +1 and builds a robotics facility, then adds a second forge

Effort begins an infestation pit and +2/+2 melee, phoenixes start harassing and gives himself a worker lead
Trap starts twilight council, then charge


10:00-15:00

Trap moves his army out to take a 3rd, Effort intercepts with a group of lings and trades them for several sentries and zealots

Effort starts hive and enduring locusts
Trap takes his 3rd, makes a templar archives and warps in a couple archons

Suddenly trap moves across the map with chargelot+archon! Effort evidently wasn't expecting this, many swarmhosts are lifted and killed

Effort churns out a lot of roaches and eventually wipes out the attack
The roaches counterattack but Trap has enough army to deflect them
A few roaches run by and become an annoyance to Trap
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
May 15 2013 10:57 GMT
#983
On May 15 2013 19:57 fishb00n wrote:
wtf? how did he have the ressources for so many roaches

He built the hosts and saved until he had almost 2k minerals.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
May 15 2013 10:58 GMT
#984
On May 15 2013 19:57 McBengt wrote:
And this kids, is why we don't build SHs in the midgame.


against an attack that's designed to punish the lack of roaches*
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
tl2212
Profile Joined April 2013
Belize731 Posts
May 15 2013 10:59 GMT
#985
effort does not have very good creep spread actually... but this map is weird anywaysy
economy over everything
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16848 Posts
May 15 2013 10:59 GMT
#986
On May 15 2013 19:54 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 19:53 Wintex wrote:
On May 15 2013 19:52 gobbledydook wrote:
On May 15 2013 19:49 Conut wrote:
On May 15 2013 19:46 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
On May 15 2013 19:43 Waxangel wrote:
if this happened in a big live tournament, we'd see a balance patch from d-kim in like 2 days -_~

Except Trap played the entire lategame completely wrong... Just sat there dying to locusts for 20 minutes


yea no idea why people are complaining


so what could Trap specifically have done to not lose like that once it reached the stage of max armies?

I'd love some warp prism play, but envision + tempest PUSHING instead of waiting would probably work better.


He did try warp prism play, several times. Unlike most Zergs Effort actually just covered all his bases in Spores.

Zealot runby's? tempest harass? Fuck do I know, i was sitting at the buss for 50% of the game.

God I've been to the baller fan club before, but re-reading it is giving me renewed life enjoyment. His life story was touching and gave me orgasms.
The Bomber boy
Breach_hu
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary2431 Posts
May 15 2013 10:59 GMT
#987
On May 15 2013 19:49 McBengt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 19:47 Kommander wrote:
On May 15 2013 19:46 Salteador Neo wrote:
On May 15 2013 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:
On May 15 2013 19:43 Waxangel wrote:
if this happened in a big live tournament, we'd see a balance patch from d-kim in like 2 days -_~


Just a couple of months ago everyone was saying that Skytoss was completely unstoppable...


2-3 weeks ago Swarmhosts were useless and people were joking how bad they are

It was the infestor useless QQ all over again.


Zergs always complain and then eventually find out that X unit is actually useful or viable, then shit gets real. :p


Tbh though, SHs really did seem useless, and are still very situational. They are definitely very good, but they have insane requirements for support and are difficult to transition too, you need a huge bank and a Great Wall of Zerg of casters and static def. Early-mid game they are terrible.


2 base nydus swarmhost allin disagrees with you.
Give thanks and praise!
Kim Hyuna
Profile Joined March 2013
Korea (South)264 Posts
May 15 2013 10:59 GMT
#988
HEARD QUEEN's PRETTY GOOD~
김현아 fighting!
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
May 15 2013 11:00 GMT
#989
At this point I think people are just completely biased against PvZ and will never be satisfied. We have a back and forth game with action happening in 3 places at once and still so much complaining. This is 10x better than WoL.
Absentia
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom973 Posts
May 15 2013 11:00 GMT
#990
This is a weird game...
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
May 15 2013 11:00 GMT
#991
ling runby did good enough that effort is now ahead
Moderatorlickypiddy
Fenneth
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia354 Posts
May 15 2013 11:00 GMT
#992
On May 15 2013 19:57 Fenneth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 19:53 Fenneth wrote:
On May 15 2013 19:50 Fenneth wrote:
Effort vs Trap Game 2 - DF Atlas


0:00-5:00

Trap starts with gate first
Effort pools before hatch

Effort has sent his overlord in the correct direction and finds the gateway expand


Effort takes a gas
Trap takes a second gas, starts his natural nexus and a msc

4 lings are in Trap's base preventing a natural wall from being built
Effort just drones up and starts ling speed

5:00-10:00

Trap walls off with 2 more gates, makes a stargate in his main
Effort just droning off 2 bases

Effort starts 2 evo chambers and a few lings
Trap adds a third gas and starts phoenix production and a forge

Effort starts +1/+1 and a lair, takes more gases, starts a 3rd hatch
Trap starts +1 and builds a robotics facility, then adds a second forge

Effort begins an infestation pit and +2/+2 melee, phoenixes start harassing and gives himself a worker lead
Trap starts twilight council, then charge


10:00-15:00

Trap moves his army out to take a 3rd, Effort intercepts with a group of lings and trades them for several sentries and zealots

Effort starts hive and enduring locusts
Trap takes his 3rd, makes a templar archives and warps in a couple archons

Suddenly trap moves across the map with chargelot+archon! Effort evidently wasn't expecting this, many swarmhosts are lifted and killed

Effort churns out a lot of roaches and eventually wipes out the attack
The roaches counterattack but Trap has enough army to deflect them
A few roaches run by and become an annoyance to Trap


15:00-20:00

Effort starts adrenal glands and starts to replace his swarm hosts
Trap makes a warp prism and robo bay, upgrades coming out of two forges

Nydus network starts for Effort
Lings run by into Trap's natural, meanwhile zealots are dropped in Effort's main
Tons of queens return to defend

Swarm hosts defend Trap's attack at Effort's third
Trap begins double colossus production
Effort drops an ultralisk cavern


ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 15 2013 11:01 GMT
#993
Overly ominous music :/
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
May 15 2013 11:01 GMT
#994
On May 15 2013 20:00 Exarl25 wrote:
At this point I think people are just completely biased against PvZ and will never be satisfied. We have a back and forth game with action happening in 3 places at once and still so much complaining. This is 10x better than WoL.


This game? Yeah it's cool.
Last game? It went on for half an hour while protoss had no chance whatsoever.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
May 15 2013 11:01 GMT
#995
I think the issue with Swarmhosts mostly leading into long drawn out games is because they don't actually have this mid-game siege potential that they were primarily put in for (if I recall correctly). Zerg was supposed to get a unit that can actually use a good early game advantage and push earlier than Broodlords into fortified positions.

Thing is, Swarmhosts don't really provide anything additional to what you've already got in that regard. You get more, weaker units that have the same problems as Roaches, Zerglings etc.
No matter how many you have they cannot go through forcefields and they cannot destroyed by choke points, especially against siege units like Siege Tanks and Collossi.

So Terran will do fine against them first with bunkers and then siege tanks a littler later and Protoss still forcefields into Collossi.

Sure lategame and starving tactics are there but I don't feel like the Swarmhost has any "mid game, punishing siege unit" potential. I'd rather say the Viper has that siege potential but is obviously too late.
WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
May 15 2013 11:01 GMT
#996
LMAO Effort so bad xD

10+ queens full of energy.
Revolutionist fan
Maasked
Profile Joined December 2011
United States567 Posts
May 15 2013 11:02 GMT
#997
Fail transfuse hatchery
HAHAH
TwitchTV as Maaasked I stream hots (rarely)
McBengt
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1684 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-15 11:03:38
May 15 2013 11:02 GMT
#998
Argh sloppy by Effort, he had about 3k worth of HP in transfusions in those queens.

What in the actual fuck is Effort doing o0?
"My twelve year old will out-reason Bill Maher when it comes to understanding, you know, what, uh, how to logic work" - Rick Santorum
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 15 2013 11:02 GMT
#999
Every unit seems somewhat viable in PvZ, that's kinda cool at least.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
May 15 2013 11:03 GMT
#1000
Excellent throw by Effort.
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