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Maloreon
Profile Joined May 2012
United States911 Posts
April 27 2013 22:16 GMT
#9421
On April 28 2013 07:15 AstroPegnuin wrote:
Naniwa was ahead until he lost the phoenix, Leenok took advantage of that to make the mutas


This. Not 100% sure Naniwa would win anyway but it really hurt to lose his main Mutalisk deterrence to nothing.
Leenock, Gumiho, Life, Flash, Parting, Scarlett
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
April 27 2013 22:16 GMT
#9422
Totalbiscuit @Totalbiscuit 2m

PvZ is about 2359823598325x better than the end of Wings

I have to agree, ZvP in HotS actually feels like the swarm. Massing and crash waves upon waves of units feels like the Zerg, unlike BL/Infestor.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
SibChil
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden502 Posts
April 27 2013 22:16 GMT
#9423
That was one of the better ZvP's in HotS so far
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Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
April 27 2013 22:16 GMT
#9424
It's too bad that storms don't really deal with mutas anymore, unless you can actually kill them they will regen rather quickly.
"See you space cowboy"
MuseMike
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1339 Posts
April 27 2013 22:16 GMT
#9425
On April 28 2013 07:15 Lunareste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 07:13 MuseMike wrote:
I guess this is kind of like WoL again, don't let the zerg get to X point of the game.


It's always been that way. If you let your opponent make upgraded, ultimate compositions with structures/larva to make mass units quickly, you lose.

This would be cool if taking bases on that map wasn't trash past 3rds.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
April 27 2013 22:16 GMT
#9426
On April 28 2013 07:15 Porishan wrote:
is this bo5 or bo7?

5
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iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
April 27 2013 22:16 GMT
#9427
On April 28 2013 07:16 freetgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 07:14 veKtory wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:12 freetgy wrote:
this is an unwinnable situation right there, despite Naniwa beeing so much ahead and having both Storm and Archons...

Hope balance team was watching.


Yea they should really put a cap on the number of bases a Zerg can take. Make them so they can't take more than 3 bases.


nope it showed that even with Phoenix Range, PHoenix suck vs. mass Mutas


it showed that 6 pheonix sucks against 40 mutas
veKtory
Profile Joined June 2012
233 Posts
April 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#9428
On April 28 2013 07:14 BlackCompany wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 07:13 iky43210 wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:12 freetgy wrote:
this is an unwinnable situation right there, despite Naniwa beeing so much ahead?

Hope balance team was watching it.

naniwa was not "so much ahead" at any point of the game.


I'm not quite sure, but the last time i checked 6/7 vs 4 base isn't "so much ahead"


Just making sure you know. Naniwa is the Protoss.
Scio
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany522 Posts
April 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#9429
On April 28 2013 07:14 pellejohnson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 07:12 BigFan wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:09 pellejohnson wrote:
Mutas with new regen is way too effective vs storms. How I miss the BW days when a storm on a muta clump actually was game changing instead of delying the zerg for 15 seconds

there was a lot of complaining about how much worse mutas got in SCII from BW so Blizzard buffed them


I know but it's blatantly obvious that they are too strong now with the super regen since you can't wear them dowm with continuous damage like you could before


Cant apply the same tactic to counter units like people did months/years ago?-----> must be OP
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Sylverin
Profile Joined February 2011
United States480 Posts
April 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#9430
On April 28 2013 07:15 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 07:13 Relaaja wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:12 Bagi wrote:
What was Naniwas major mistake in this game? Did he need to do more econ damage by harass?

Not balance whining, just trying to understand how this style of PvZ works.


Zero mistakes. Protoss just have to play so much better to win zerg.

Yeah, because Naniwa is anywhere near Leenock's skill level.

Clearly he is, otherwise he wouldn't be here. Take your shitty attitude and shove it. These games have been epic try to enjoy it, and not whine about whats hard and easy and skilled and not skilled.
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Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
April 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#9431
On April 28 2013 07:16 freetgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 07:14 veKtory wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:12 freetgy wrote:
this is an unwinnable situation right there, despite Naniwa beeing so much ahead and having both Storm and Archons...

Hope balance team was watching.


Yea they should really put a cap on the number of bases a Zerg can take. Make them so they can't take more than 3 bases.


nope it showed that even with Phoenix Range, PHoenix suck vs. mass Mutas


I totally agree that 6-7 phoenix should be totally able to take on a cloud of 30+ mutas

Totally
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FrogOfWar
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1406 Posts
April 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#9432
On April 28 2013 07:15 Leach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 07:12 Bagi wrote:
What was Naniwas major mistake in this game? Did he need to do more econ damage by harass?

Not balance whining, just trying to understand how this style of PvZ works.



Leenock just had too big of an economic advantage, therefore he could afford to just throw units at Naniwa.

Naniwa needed to prevent Leenock to get up to 5 bases and not get contained in his own base


Yes. The Zerg deathball is drones.
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
April 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#9433
For people who wondered what happened: leenock got too many bases with gas and could simply tech switch faster than Nani could, therefore he won. Lesson is not to let Zerg take a million gas expansions or you will lose.
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sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
April 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#9434
On April 28 2013 07:16 MuseMike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 07:15 sitromit wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:13 Relaaja wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:12 Bagi wrote:
What was Naniwas major mistake in this game? Did he need to do more econ damage by harass?

Not balance whining, just trying to understand how this style of PvZ works.


Zero mistakes. Protoss just have to play so much better to win zerg.

Yeah, because Naniwa is anywhere near Leenock's skill level.

I'd say they are pretty close. Nani has faced Leenock in the MLG finals been to ro8 GSL twice won the Blizzard tournament.

I would say you're delusional if you think their skill is remotely close.
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
April 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#9435
On April 28 2013 07:13 Relaaja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 07:12 Bagi wrote:
What was Naniwas major mistake in this game? Did he need to do more econ damage by harass?

Not balance whining, just trying to understand how this style of PvZ works.


Zero mistakes. Protoss just have to play so much better to win zerg.



Really?

Here's the thing, the Zerg had multiple times the economy Protoss did that game. That is a mistake. You don't give your opponent the map, and say you played a FLAWLESS game...

Protoss players seem to think they should just turtle base to base, increase their deathball and then win. Leenock was just wasting away resources against the Protoss units, because he could.
Big water
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
April 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#9436
2 base SH nydus, come on leenock
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17744 Posts
April 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#9437
On April 28 2013 07:15 shabby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 07:13 Relaaja wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:12 Bagi wrote:
What was Naniwas major mistake in this game? Did he need to do more econ damage by harass?

Not balance whining, just trying to understand how this style of PvZ works.


Zero mistakes. Protoss just have to play so much better to win zerg.


Wouldn't say zero mistakes. Its a bit like that old "what do you do against 20 carriers". His mistake was letting Leenock take like 7 bases. It is too late at that point.

Naniwa lost like 5 phoenixes for no reason in the early game lol
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
April 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#9438
or... how about just pure 4-gate like Naniwa's roots?
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
April 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#9439
On April 28 2013 07:15 shabby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 07:13 Relaaja wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:12 Bagi wrote:
What was Naniwas major mistake in this game? Did he need to do more econ damage by harass?

Not balance whining, just trying to understand how this style of PvZ works.


Zero mistakes. Protoss just have to play so much better to win zerg.


Wouldn't say zero mistakes. Its a bit like that old "what do you do against 20 carriers". His mistake was letting Leenock take like 7 bases. It is too late at that point.


his mistake was going late game against zerg
mechengineer123
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine711 Posts
April 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#9440
hes gonna do that immortal zealot cheese :D
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