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On April 28 2013 07:15 AstroPegnuin wrote: Naniwa was ahead until he lost the phoenix, Leenok took advantage of that to make the mutas
This. Not 100% sure Naniwa would win anyway but it really hurt to lose his main Mutalisk deterrence to nothing.
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PvZ is about 2359823598325x better than the end of Wings I have to agree, ZvP in HotS actually feels like the swarm. Massing and crash waves upon waves of units feels like the Zerg, unlike BL/Infestor.
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That was one of the better ZvP's in HotS so far
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It's too bad that storms don't really deal with mutas anymore, unless you can actually kill them they will regen rather quickly.
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On April 28 2013 07:15 Lunareste wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 07:13 MuseMike wrote: I guess this is kind of like WoL again, don't let the zerg get to X point of the game. It's always been that way. If you let your opponent make upgraded, ultimate compositions with structures/larva to make mass units quickly, you lose. This would be cool if taking bases on that map wasn't trash past 3rds.
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On April 28 2013 07:15 Porishan wrote: is this bo5 or bo7? 5
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On April 28 2013 07:16 freetgy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 07:14 veKtory wrote:On April 28 2013 07:12 freetgy wrote: this is an unwinnable situation right there, despite Naniwa beeing so much ahead and having both Storm and Archons...
Hope balance team was watching. Yea they should really put a cap on the number of bases a Zerg can take. Make them so they can't take more than 3 bases. nope it showed that even with Phoenix Range, PHoenix suck vs. mass Mutas
it showed that 6 pheonix sucks against 40 mutas
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On April 28 2013 07:14 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 07:13 iky43210 wrote:On April 28 2013 07:12 freetgy wrote: this is an unwinnable situation right there, despite Naniwa beeing so much ahead?
Hope balance team was watching it. naniwa was not "so much ahead" at any point of the game. I'm not quite sure, but the last time i checked 6/7 vs 4 base isn't "so much ahead"
Just making sure you know. Naniwa is the Protoss.
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On April 28 2013 07:14 pellejohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 07:12 BigFan wrote:On April 28 2013 07:09 pellejohnson wrote: Mutas with new regen is way too effective vs storms. How I miss the BW days when a storm on a muta clump actually was game changing instead of delying the zerg for 15 seconds there was a lot of complaining about how much worse mutas got in SCII from BW so Blizzard buffed them I know but it's blatantly obvious that they are too strong now with the super regen since you can't wear them dowm with continuous damage like you could before
Cant apply the same tactic to counter units like people did months/years ago?-----> must be OP
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On April 28 2013 07:15 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 07:13 Relaaja wrote:On April 28 2013 07:12 Bagi wrote: What was Naniwas major mistake in this game? Did he need to do more econ damage by harass?
Not balance whining, just trying to understand how this style of PvZ works. Zero mistakes. Protoss just have to play so much better to win zerg. Yeah, because Naniwa is anywhere near Leenock's skill level. Clearly he is, otherwise he wouldn't be here. Take your shitty attitude and shove it. These games have been epic try to enjoy it, and not whine about whats hard and easy and skilled and not skilled.
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On April 28 2013 07:16 freetgy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 07:14 veKtory wrote:On April 28 2013 07:12 freetgy wrote: this is an unwinnable situation right there, despite Naniwa beeing so much ahead and having both Storm and Archons...
Hope balance team was watching. Yea they should really put a cap on the number of bases a Zerg can take. Make them so they can't take more than 3 bases. nope it showed that even with Phoenix Range, PHoenix suck vs. mass Mutas
I totally agree that 6-7 phoenix should be totally able to take on a cloud of 30+ mutas
Totally
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On April 28 2013 07:15 Leach wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 07:12 Bagi wrote: What was Naniwas major mistake in this game? Did he need to do more econ damage by harass?
Not balance whining, just trying to understand how this style of PvZ works. Leenock just had too big of an economic advantage, therefore he could afford to just throw units at Naniwa. Naniwa needed to prevent Leenock to get up to 5 bases and not get contained in his own base
Yes. The Zerg deathball is drones.
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For people who wondered what happened: leenock got too many bases with gas and could simply tech switch faster than Nani could, therefore he won. Lesson is not to let Zerg take a million gas expansions or you will lose.
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On April 28 2013 07:16 MuseMike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 07:15 sitromit wrote:On April 28 2013 07:13 Relaaja wrote:On April 28 2013 07:12 Bagi wrote: What was Naniwas major mistake in this game? Did he need to do more econ damage by harass?
Not balance whining, just trying to understand how this style of PvZ works. Zero mistakes. Protoss just have to play so much better to win zerg. Yeah, because Naniwa is anywhere near Leenock's skill level. I'd say they are pretty close. Nani has faced Leenock in the MLG finals been to ro8 GSL twice won the Blizzard tournament. I would say you're delusional if you think their skill is remotely close.
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On April 28 2013 07:13 Relaaja wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 07:12 Bagi wrote: What was Naniwas major mistake in this game? Did he need to do more econ damage by harass?
Not balance whining, just trying to understand how this style of PvZ works. Zero mistakes. Protoss just have to play so much better to win zerg.
Really?
Here's the thing, the Zerg had multiple times the economy Protoss did that game. That is a mistake. You don't give your opponent the map, and say you played a FLAWLESS game...
Protoss players seem to think they should just turtle base to base, increase their deathball and then win. Leenock was just wasting away resources against the Protoss units, because he could.
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2 base SH nydus, come on leenock
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On April 28 2013 07:15 shabby wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 07:13 Relaaja wrote:On April 28 2013 07:12 Bagi wrote: What was Naniwas major mistake in this game? Did he need to do more econ damage by harass?
Not balance whining, just trying to understand how this style of PvZ works. Zero mistakes. Protoss just have to play so much better to win zerg. Wouldn't say zero mistakes. Its a bit like that old "what do you do against 20 carriers". His mistake was letting Leenock take like 7 bases. It is too late at that point. Naniwa lost like 5 phoenixes for no reason in the early game lol
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or... how about just pure 4-gate like Naniwa's roots?
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On April 28 2013 07:15 shabby wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 07:13 Relaaja wrote:On April 28 2013 07:12 Bagi wrote: What was Naniwas major mistake in this game? Did he need to do more econ damage by harass?
Not balance whining, just trying to understand how this style of PvZ works. Zero mistakes. Protoss just have to play so much better to win zerg. Wouldn't say zero mistakes. Its a bit like that old "what do you do against 20 carriers". His mistake was letting Leenock take like 7 bases. It is too late at that point.
his mistake was going late game against zerg
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hes gonna do that immortal zealot cheese :D
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