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Little-Chimp
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada948 Posts
April 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#9441
I'm not sure why people are balance complaining, Naniwa is extremely clever but the difference in macro really shows as the game extends to long periods of time. Leenock is REALLY really good.
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
April 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#9442
On April 28 2013 07:13 Relaaja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 07:12 Bagi wrote:
What was Naniwas major mistake in this game? Did he need to do more econ damage by harass?

Not balance whining, just trying to understand how this style of PvZ works.


Zero mistakes. Protoss just have to play so much better to win zerg.

Losing 5 phenix for nothing wasnt a mistake then? Stop being biased.
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
April 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#9443
    (1862) Leenock  2-1  NaNiwa (1476)     
-------------------------------------------
66.29% 3-1
22.35% 3-2 2-3 11.36%
-------------------------------------------
88.64% 11.36%

Median outcome: Leenock 3-1 NaNiwa
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.
xHaroldx
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands62 Posts
April 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#9444
i guess it didnt seem like much but losing those 4-5 phoenix that were just floating in the zerg main didnt help either.
Daogin
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada2308 Posts
April 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#9445
LEENOCCCK this will make up for dropping out of RO32 <3!
Leenoctopus <3, master of foreign events.
Deleted User 261926
Profile Joined April 2012
960 Posts
April 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#9446
On April 28 2013 07:16 freetgy wrote:
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On April 28 2013 07:14 veKtory wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:12 freetgy wrote:
this is an unwinnable situation right there, despite Naniwa beeing so much ahead and having both Storm and Archons...

Hope balance team was watching.


Yea they should really put a cap on the number of bases a Zerg can take. Make them so they can't take more than 3 bases.


nope it showed that even with Phoenix Range, PHoenix suck vs. mass Mutas


It shows that 10 phoenixes can't beat 60 mutas. It shows that 5(6 later on) is more than 3 (number of bases).
tozi
Profile Joined October 2008
United States506 Posts
April 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#9447
it would the perfect ending if naniwa won... but leenock is so good
nothing
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
April 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#9448
On April 28 2013 07:16 iky43210 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 07:16 freetgy wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:14 veKtory wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:12 freetgy wrote:
this is an unwinnable situation right there, despite Naniwa beeing so much ahead and having both Storm and Archons...

Hope balance team was watching.


Yea they should really put a cap on the number of bases a Zerg can take. Make them so they can't take more than 3 bases.


nope it showed that even with Phoenix Range, PHoenix suck vs. mass Mutas


it showed that 6 pheonix sucks against 40 mutas


was more than 40 mutas
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
April 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#9449
On April 28 2013 07:15 shabby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 07:13 Relaaja wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:12 Bagi wrote:
What was Naniwas major mistake in this game? Did he need to do more econ damage by harass?

Not balance whining, just trying to understand how this style of PvZ works.


Zero mistakes. Protoss just have to play so much better to win zerg.


Wouldn't say zero mistakes. Its a bit like that old "what do you do against 20 carriers". His mistake was letting Leenock take like 7 bases. It is too late at that point.

in fact losing those 3 phoenix was pretty HUGE mistake that took away naniwa's map presence and scouting ability, naniwa didn't play better than leenock, not even close.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
agile_legs
Profile Joined January 2011
Philippines348 Posts
April 27 2013 22:18 GMT
#9450
On April 28 2013 07:16 duoform wrote:
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On April 28 2013 07:15 Azurues wrote:
6 am here

still watching

still happy

wouldn't mind if the game goes even longer

Damn true fans <3


Welcome to the club. 6:18am here lol
Winter is Coming
ShiroKaisen
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1082 Posts
April 27 2013 22:18 GMT
#9451
that was way more mutas than I ever want to see on a field ever again
Dame da na, zenzen dame da ze!
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 27 2013 22:18 GMT
#9452
Neo Planet S build incoming
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17718 Posts
April 27 2013 22:18 GMT
#9453
On April 28 2013 07:16 duoform wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 07:15 Azurues wrote:
6 am here

still watching

still happy

wouldn't mind if the game goes even longer

Damn true fans <3

it's 5:17 pm here, I've been awake since midnight, I went to sleep and woke up early for GSTL and Dreamhack, lol
"Expert" mods4ever.com
MuseMike
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1339 Posts
April 27 2013 22:18 GMT
#9454
On April 28 2013 07:17 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 07:16 MuseMike wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:15 sitromit wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:13 Relaaja wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:12 Bagi wrote:
What was Naniwas major mistake in this game? Did he need to do more econ damage by harass?

Not balance whining, just trying to understand how this style of PvZ works.


Zero mistakes. Protoss just have to play so much better to win zerg.

Yeah, because Naniwa is anywhere near Leenock's skill level.

I'd say they are pretty close. Nani has faced Leenock in the MLG finals been to ro8 GSL twice won the Blizzard tournament.

I would say you're delusional if you think their skill is remotely close.

I'd say you were pretty dumb if you think they arent considering they have met in finals of large tournaments before, been to similar results in GSL and are in the finals of one of the most difficult tourneys to date.
Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
April 27 2013 22:18 GMT
#9455
It's impossible to measure how many more times ZvP is better in HotS than WoL! Loving this!
"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
Azurues
Profile Joined March 2011
Malaysia5612 Posts
April 27 2013 22:18 GMT
#9456
this early hive - get ultra + zerglings to push protoss is it gonna be the meta of ZvP?

i am loving these builts.

and yes HoTs so much better than WoL already
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10132 Posts
April 27 2013 22:18 GMT
#9457
On April 28 2013 07:15 FlamingForce wrote:
Would Tempest have helped vs those mutas?


Nope. Against that amount of mutas and the economy/bank behind to back up tech switches, Leenock was just going to play with naniwa till he is starved. Biggest problem that game for naniwa was not killing hatcheries. The main drop was cute, but he could had killed 2 hatcheries instead with that amount of zealots just attack focusing while leenock's whole army was in front of him. Of course, we are watching and it's not easy to judge, but that early 5th uncontested base to get extra gas won the game to leenock.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24592 Posts
April 27 2013 22:18 GMT
#9458
On April 28 2013 07:17 mechengineer123 wrote:
hes gonna do that immortal zealot cheese :D


It's not a cheese.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
April 27 2013 22:19 GMT
#9459
On April 28 2013 07:18 MuseMike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 07:17 sitromit wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:16 MuseMike wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:15 sitromit wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:13 Relaaja wrote:
On April 28 2013 07:12 Bagi wrote:
What was Naniwas major mistake in this game? Did he need to do more econ damage by harass?

Not balance whining, just trying to understand how this style of PvZ works.


Zero mistakes. Protoss just have to play so much better to win zerg.

Yeah, because Naniwa is anywhere near Leenock's skill level.

I'd say they are pretty close. Nani has faced Leenock in the MLG finals been to ro8 GSL twice won the Blizzard tournament.

I would say you're delusional if you think their skill is remotely close.

I'd say you were pretty dumb if you think they arent considering they have met in finals of large tournaments before, been to similar results in GSL and are in the finals of one of the most difficult tourneys to date.

similar results in GSL my asss
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Empirimancer
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada1024 Posts
April 27 2013 22:19 GMT
#9460
Leenock keeping an open mind and pegging Naniwa.

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