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On April 22 2013 00:22 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:00 o)_Saurus wrote:On April 21 2013 23:40 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Europe "held" with like 1/4 the Koreans trying to qualify, and those Koreans being 2-3 tiers below the quality of guys in NA.
EU is better than NA, but it's by degrees. KR is better than both by whole levels. Yeah you're right. Finale and Tails are definitly 3 if not 6 tiers below the likes of Crank or Center. I would argue that JD, Alive, Oz, and even theSTC are at least one tier above Finale and Tails. Probably higher. We'll have to wait and see what happens in the actual tournaments, but I don't think anyone will be surprised if Koreans take the First, Second, Third and maybe even Fourth spot in the EU WCS.
Yeah finale and tails, while being strong in some instances in gstl, are significantly weaker compared to the players you listed
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On April 21 2013 18:04 4ZakeN87 wrote:
So.. only Koreans will qualify.. most probably.
That means that NA WCS just turned into some weak version of Code S for Koreans that don't want to commit against the top players of the world and prefer easy money... Well that sounds reeeeally exciting..
Why should I watch this now again? x)
Not to mention that this is only season 1, it is only going to get more swarmed with "not quite code S Koreans"
Well there are some code s level guys in the na wcs and eu wcs (mvp, nestea, hero, polt etc.)
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On April 22 2013 00:16 Boanerges wrote:
Yeah right oO! Tails Finale etc. were such walkovers right... well well.. what would one expect with that kind of education program...
Not sure what you're trying to imply here but if it's what I think then Canada #6, Switzerland #42.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index
And you can't put Tails/Finale/Shuttle on the same level as Oz/JYP/Jaedong/Alive/TheSTC or most of the other Koreans that are trying to qualify through NA. Their respective TLPDs and lists of accomplishments (or lack thereof in the case of the former 3) are the tale of the tape.
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On April 22 2013 00:25 Boanerges wrote:
Well its ok if they take the first 4 spots, i doubt it. Still better than get kind of the whole first 16 :D..
Let almost 20 Koreans into the EU WCS and they will most likely take the whole first 16.
Better yet, put the top 20 EU guys in the Code A qualifiers and see if a single one makes it through. EU would get stomped by real Korean representation just as hard as NA would.
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On April 22 2013 00:16 Boanerges wrote:
Yeah right oO! Tails Finale etc. were such walkovers right... well well.. what would one expect with that kind of education program...
oh come down from that high horse... EU did fine but there's no way to compare that.
NA qualifier was way more stacked, simple fact. So it's just logical Koreans will get more spots.
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I really dont understand why more koreas didnt choose eu. A lot of good players will not qualify that could have been in eu wcs premier league instead.
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On April 22 2013 00:27 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:22 sc2superfan101 wrote:On April 22 2013 00:00 o)_Saurus wrote:On April 21 2013 23:40 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Europe "held" with like 1/4 the Koreans trying to qualify, and those Koreans being 2-3 tiers below the quality of guys in NA.
EU is better than NA, but it's by degrees. KR is better than both by whole levels. Yeah you're right. Finale and Tails are definitly 3 if not 6 tiers below the likes of Crank or Center. I would argue that JD, Alive, Oz, and even theSTC are at least one tier above Finale and Tails. Probably higher. We'll have to wait and see what happens in the actual tournaments, but I don't think anyone will be surprised if Koreans take the First, Second, Third and maybe even Fourth spot in the EU WCS. Yeah finale and tails, while being strong in some instances in gstl, are significantly weaker compared to the players you listed
Finale was Code S just two seasons ago. I'd rate him at roughly the same level as the guys you listed, give or take. Tails is not too far behind, he is just more volatile and build order dependent and doesn't do very well in BoX.
Of course there was just a whole lot more Koreans trying to qualify (with supposedly less lag), so no one should feel ashamed or hurt in their national pride that more Koreans qualified than in EU. Calm down guys, when the offline part of WCS keeps increasing, the problem will solve itself 
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On April 22 2013 00:28 Cyrak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:16 Boanerges wrote:
Yeah right oO! Tails Finale etc. were such walkovers right... well well.. what would one expect with that kind of education program... Not sure what you're trying to imply here but if it's what I think then Canada #6, Switzerland #42. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_IndexAnd you can't put Tails/Finale/Shuttle on the same level as Oz/JYP/Jaedong/Alive/TheSTC or most of the other Koreans that are trying to qualify through NA. Their respective TLPDs and lists of accomplishments (or lack thereof in the case of the former 3) are the tale of the tape.
Wow 2006.. published by the US. Not worth 1 cent. Did you even read the text of what this is based on... Come up with something better -.-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index
This is 2013 Swiss #9 Canada #11... and this is still shit...
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On April 22 2013 00:22 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:00 o)_Saurus wrote:On April 21 2013 23:40 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Europe "held" with like 1/4 the Koreans trying to qualify, and those Koreans being 2-3 tiers below the quality of guys in NA.
EU is better than NA, but it's by degrees. KR is better than both by whole levels. Yeah you're right. Finale and Tails are definitly 3 if not 6 tiers below the likes of Crank or Center. I would argue that JD, Alive, Oz, and even theSTC are at least one tier above Finale and Tails. Probably higher. We'll have to wait and see what happens in the actual tournaments, but I don't think anyone will be surprised if Koreans take the First, Second, Third and maybe even Fourth spot in the EU WCS.
Lol, yeah right. You know what? How about we make a bet that Korea will take the top 4 slots in EU?
How abuot a 1/1 bet, what you say, 1000$ each? x)
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On April 22 2013 00:29 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:25 Boanerges wrote:
Well its ok if they take the first 4 spots, i doubt it. Still better than get kind of the whole first 16 :D.. Let almost 20 Koreans into the EU WCS and they will most likely take the whole first 16. Better yet, put the top 20 EU guys in the Code A qualifiers and see if a single one makes it through. EU would get stomped by real Korean representation just as hard as NA would.
Lol, lol and lol. Well I guess if you are fan boy of NA SC2 you need to rationalize its miserable state somehow.
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On April 22 2013 00:29 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:25 Boanerges wrote:
Well its ok if they take the first 4 spots, i doubt it. Still better than get kind of the whole first 16 :D.. Let almost 20 Koreans into the EU WCS and they will most likely take the whole first 16. Better yet, put the top 20 EU guys in the Code A qualifiers and see if a single one makes it through. EU would get stomped by real Korean representation just as hard as NA would.
No, EU would not. EU did prove multiple times (for bo3, bo5, teamleagues) that we can very well hold our ground against Code S caliber as well. Socke beat DRG offline. MaNa destroyed a nearly all korean lineup in ATC. Dayshi destroyed some Koreans. There are plenty of European players that you can call out as worse (which obviously would be right) but they have a very good shot at taking them down. In addition with the lag from KR to EU, I'd take Happy/Kas in a TvP anyday over a Code S Protoss.
See how Happy destroyed Creator when Creator was at his prime. I really don't want to go into NA bashing, but if you want to talk about average level and everything below the VERY BEST #2 players or so, EU destroys NA and doesn't go to shit as hard as NA vs KR.
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On April 22 2013 00:41 Boanerges wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:28 Cyrak wrote:On April 22 2013 00:16 Boanerges wrote:
Yeah right oO! Tails Finale etc. were such walkovers right... well well.. what would one expect with that kind of education program... Not sure what you're trying to imply here but if it's what I think then Canada #6, Switzerland #42. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_IndexAnd you can't put Tails/Finale/Shuttle on the same level as Oz/JYP/Jaedong/Alive/TheSTC or most of the other Koreans that are trying to qualify through NA. Their respective TLPDs and lists of accomplishments (or lack thereof in the case of the former 3) are the tale of the tape. Wow 2006.. published by the US. Not worth 1 cent. Did you even read the text of what this is based on... Come up with something better -.-
United Nations != United States. It's clear that you are not very smart; I'm finished with you now so I guess we can agree to disagree.
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On April 22 2013 00:42 4ZakeN87 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:22 sc2superfan101 wrote:On April 22 2013 00:00 o)_Saurus wrote:On April 21 2013 23:40 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Europe "held" with like 1/4 the Koreans trying to qualify, and those Koreans being 2-3 tiers below the quality of guys in NA.
EU is better than NA, but it's by degrees. KR is better than both by whole levels. Yeah you're right. Finale and Tails are definitly 3 if not 6 tiers below the likes of Crank or Center. I would argue that JD, Alive, Oz, and even theSTC are at least one tier above Finale and Tails. Probably higher. We'll have to wait and see what happens in the actual tournaments, but I don't think anyone will be surprised if Koreans take the First, Second, Third and maybe even Fourth spot in the EU WCS. Lol, yeah right. You know what? How about we make a bet that Korea will take the top 4 slots in EU? How abuot a 1/1 bet, what you say, 1000$ each? x)
1. I don't have $10 to spare. I have to make rent and buy food. Even if I did, I don't gamble.
2. I didn't say that the odds were that they would get the 1,2,3,4 spots, I said no one will be too surprised if it happens.
3. Let's make a gentleman's bet (no money) that a Korean will take both first and second and that no EU guy will make it to the semis quarterfinals of the actual WCS.
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On April 22 2013 00:44 4ZakeN87 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:29 sc2superfan101 wrote:On April 22 2013 00:25 Boanerges wrote:
Well its ok if they take the first 4 spots, i doubt it. Still better than get kind of the whole first 16 :D.. Let almost 20 Koreans into the EU WCS and they will most likely take the whole first 16. Better yet, put the top 20 EU guys in the Code A qualifiers and see if a single one makes it through. EU would get stomped by real Korean representation just as hard as NA would. Lol, lol and lol. Well I guess if you are fan boy of NA SC2 you need to rationalize its miserable state somehow.
Wrong, I'm actually a Korean fanboy. I laugh at both EU and NA because they are both clearly so far below KR that it's like saying one piece of moldy orange is better than another when compared to a fresh strawberry.
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u wot m8?
First you cite the lack of education, then when rebutted, you post a link about something totally different. Unless you actually think Human Development Index is the same as Education Index. But that's Swiss education for you, I guess.
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On April 22 2013 00:45 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:29 sc2superfan101 wrote:On April 22 2013 00:25 Boanerges wrote:
Well its ok if they take the first 4 spots, i doubt it. Still better than get kind of the whole first 16 :D.. Let almost 20 Koreans into the EU WCS and they will most likely take the whole first 16. Better yet, put the top 20 EU guys in the Code A qualifiers and see if a single one makes it through. EU would get stomped by real Korean representation just as hard as NA would. No, EU would not. EU did prove multiple times (for bo3, bo5, teamleagues) that we can very well hold our ground against Code S caliber as well. Socke beat DRG offline. MaNa destroyed a nearly all korean lineup in ATC. Dayshi destroyed some Koreans. There are plenty of European players that you can call out as worse (which obviously would be right) but they have a very good shot at taking them down. In addition with the lag from KR to EU, I'd take Happy/Kas in a TvP anyday over a Code S Protoss. See how Happy destroyed Creator when Creator was at his prime. I really don't want to go into NA bashing, but if you want to talk about average level and everything below the VERY BEST #2 players or so, EU destroys NA and doesn't go to shit as hard as NA vs KR.
Is this a troll post?
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On April 22 2013 00:56 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:45 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 22 2013 00:29 sc2superfan101 wrote:On April 22 2013 00:25 Boanerges wrote:
Well its ok if they take the first 4 spots, i doubt it. Still better than get kind of the whole first 16 :D.. Let almost 20 Koreans into the EU WCS and they will most likely take the whole first 16. Better yet, put the top 20 EU guys in the Code A qualifiers and see if a single one makes it through. EU would get stomped by real Korean representation just as hard as NA would. No, EU would not. EU did prove multiple times (for bo3, bo5, teamleagues) that we can very well hold our ground against Code S caliber as well. Socke beat DRG offline. MaNa destroyed a nearly all korean lineup in ATC. Dayshi destroyed some Koreans. There are plenty of European players that you can call out as worse (which obviously would be right) but they have a very good shot at taking them down. In addition with the lag from KR to EU, I'd take Happy/Kas in a TvP anyday over a Code S Protoss. See how Happy destroyed Creator when Creator was at his prime. I really don't want to go into NA bashing, but if you want to talk about average level and everything below the VERY BEST #2 players or so, EU destroys NA and doesn't go to shit as hard as NA vs KR. Is this a troll post?
No its not. If you compare EU/NA, you could send the same amount and same calibre of Koreans over, and it still would look better for the EU players than it would for NA.
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On April 22 2013 00:46 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:42 4ZakeN87 wrote:On April 22 2013 00:22 sc2superfan101 wrote:On April 22 2013 00:00 o)_Saurus wrote:On April 21 2013 23:40 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Europe "held" with like 1/4 the Koreans trying to qualify, and those Koreans being 2-3 tiers below the quality of guys in NA.
EU is better than NA, but it's by degrees. KR is better than both by whole levels. Yeah you're right. Finale and Tails are definitly 3 if not 6 tiers below the likes of Crank or Center. I would argue that JD, Alive, Oz, and even theSTC are at least one tier above Finale and Tails. Probably higher. We'll have to wait and see what happens in the actual tournaments, but I don't think anyone will be surprised if Koreans take the First, Second, Third and maybe even Fourth spot in the EU WCS. Lol, yeah right. You know what? How about we make a bet that Korea will take the top 4 slots in EU? How abuot a 1/1 bet, what you say, 1000$ each? x) 1. I don't have $10 to spare. I have to make rent and buy food. Even if I did, I don't gamble. 2. I didn't say that the odds were that they would get the 1,2,3,4 spots, I said no one will be too surprised if it happens. 3. Let's make a gentleman's bet (no money) that a Korean will take both first and second and that no EU guy will make it to the semis of the actual WCS.
Nah I dont gamble either, but when I am 100% sure I am going to win I make an exception x)
But your second statment is completly different from your first. I dont either think EU will have a player in the semifinal at blizzcon. It is possible that EU gets a player in there but more likely it will be 4 Koreans.
As for the EU I am not sure, the two Koreans I am worried about is MMA and MVP. All other Koreans look manageable. My bet is that one Korean and one EU player will be in the EU final.
You however said that out of the 5 Koreans in EU now, they will take the top 4 spots. That is not gone happen, not even close. 2 out the 5 Koreans are not even particularly good.
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On April 22 2013 00:36 farnham wrote:
I really dont understand why more koreas didnt choose eu. A lot of good players will not qualify that could have been in eu wcs premier league instead.
It's about lag. It's way more confortable for Koreans to play on NA than on EU.
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