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On April 09 2013 22:39 xN.07)MaK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 22:36 xuanzue wrote:
and the winrate of swarm hosts in gsl+gstl+proleague is 0% It reminds me the time when Ultralisks were trashed too, but at the end they found a niche in both ZvP and ZvT. Let's hope it happens again.
because Infestor/BL was tooooo good. FD won his GSL with ultras btw
actually Flying storming in and killing those helpless mushrooms is my favorite moment of this horrible last game
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crap, what was the song on closing credits?
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On April 09 2013 22:40 Zinthar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 22:38 Tobblish wrote:On April 09 2013 22:37 Zinthar wrote:
MC and DRG will be back. If DRG plays anything like he did today, he wont. His play wasn't nearly as bad as you're implying.
His play was very far from Code S quality.. lol
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On April 09 2013 22:38 Raskit wrote:
HotS is such a breath of fresh air. The last few weeks have been great.
the last weeks have been a slugfest. There have hardly been any games yet that did have some toplevel decision making. I'm really looking forward to future HotS because it looks like it should be awesome. But games like those today... WoL Code A had much higher gamequality. And it was BAD compared to Code S.
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On April 09 2013 22:39 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 22:38 Scarecrow wrote:On April 09 2013 22:36 xuanzue wrote:
and the winrate of swarm hosts in gsl+gstl+proleague is 0% Feels like they're more of a unit for lower level/casual players. Pros just seem to stutter step back, kill the locusts then a-move the hosts. They're definately better against certain compositions. Mech for example.
They're good when your opponent constantly loses stuff to the Locust and because he can't hold them off as easy. When the opponent just constantly crushes the Locust without losing anything they suck. You just kill the Locust and attack the SH because they can't do anything after the Locust are dead. Problem is in most cases you need so many SH to actually do that and thats not all that realistic of a scenario.
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On April 09 2013 22:38 Tobblish wrote:If DRG plays anything like he did today, he wont.
He did fine, equal with Flying, beat MC, not bad. Yoda is just better than these three it seems.
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On April 09 2013 22:41 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 22:39 xN.07)MaK wrote:On April 09 2013 22:36 xuanzue wrote:
and the winrate of swarm hosts in gsl+gstl+proleague is 0% It reminds me the time when Ultralisks were trashed too, but at the end they found a niche in both ZvP and ZvT. Let's hope it happens again. because Infestor/BL was tooooo good. FD won his GSL with bugged ultras btw actually Flying storming in and killing those helpless mushrooms is my favorite moment of this horrible last game
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Every game with swarm host is just incredibly boring. Lets burrow and seige up this area, oh yeah! i actually prefer watching broodlords =.=
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On April 09 2013 22:41 FeyFey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 22:32 XupinatoR wrote:
I really feel like this regen on mutas is retarded, I mean, u can run into storms, canons, bunch of stalkers, archons or anything and it really doesnt matter because hey, i regen my hp in 30 secs...
I liked bw staked muta micro, but this is absurd. jupp bw muta was nice. We have this on Terran now, with Medivacs, get them low and the harassment stops. But Mutas work differently now. They can harass forever unless you kill them. So they need to give everyone units that can easily one shot Mutas or dominate them. To late to change this now though. And they made Mutas work a bit in direct engagements atleast with an hit and run style which is something nice.
If Protoss only had a counter in air with more range and a higher speed .... hmmm.
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On April 09 2013 22:41 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 22:38 Scarecrow wrote:On April 09 2013 22:36 xuanzue wrote:
and the winrate of swarm hosts in gsl+gstl+proleague is 0% Feels like they're more of a unit for lower level/casual players. Pros just seem to stutter step back, kill the locusts then a-move the hosts. Actually, it feels like that those units aren't as easy to use as other Zerg units, and that majority of pros don't know how to use them. Didn't watch this game, I am at work, but from this thread, I've read that DRG was terrible at using Swarm Hosts.
Yes he was. Too inactive, where its a unit that needs to move a lot, launch a wave, move, launch a wave, move... Its pretty hard to use, but at my level (EU mid-master) i'm starting to get a hand on it.
Maybe because it takes too much time to be used too it, pro didnt start practicing it, thinking there are better units to use.
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On April 09 2013 22:41 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 22:38 Scarecrow wrote:On April 09 2013 22:36 xuanzue wrote:
and the winrate of swarm hosts in gsl+gstl+proleague is 0% Feels like they're more of a unit for lower level/casual players. Pros just seem to stutter step back, kill the locusts then a-move the hosts. Actually, it feels like that those units aren't as easy to use as other Zerg units, and that majority of pros don't know how to use them. Didn't watch this game, I am at work, but from this thread, I've read that DRG was terrible at using Swarm Hosts. Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 22:41 TimENT wrote:
Blah blah blah swarm hosts useless
Bullshit, I see pro after pro after pro after pro after pro losing 2-3 swarm hosts over and over and over and over and over again because they are unbelievably careless with them. Pretty much this. They need some serious babysitting.
But even if he wouldn't lose them the locusts die so fast they don't do any damage to a protoss deathball.
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On April 09 2013 22:40 Kasaraki wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 22:39 lichter wrote:
Hey Tasteless I predicted YoDa and Flying I wanted to go YoDa and Flying originally, but saw Flying had a pretty poor PvP record, so went with MC instead.
I always vote with Heart, that's why I never win many liquibets T_T
Glad Flying won, I went home early from my dinner just to watch.
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On April 09 2013 22:42 weiliem wrote:
Every game with swarm host is just incredibly boring. Lets burrow and seige up this area, oh yeah! i actually prefer watching broodlords =.=
Games like this are lost game from a zerg point of view, and free win for the protoss.
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On April 09 2013 22:43 roym899 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 22:41 Ramiz1989 wrote:On April 09 2013 22:38 Scarecrow wrote:On April 09 2013 22:36 xuanzue wrote:
and the winrate of swarm hosts in gsl+gstl+proleague is 0% Feels like they're more of a unit for lower level/casual players. Pros just seem to stutter step back, kill the locusts then a-move the hosts. Actually, it feels like that those units aren't as easy to use as other Zerg units, and that majority of pros don't know how to use them. Didn't watch this game, I am at work, but from this thread, I've read that DRG was terrible at using Swarm Hosts. On April 09 2013 22:41 TimENT wrote:
Blah blah blah swarm hosts useless
Bullshit, I see pro after pro after pro after pro after pro losing 2-3 swarm hosts over and over and over and over and over again because they are unbelievably careless with them. Pretty much this. They need some serious babysitting. But even if he wouldn't lose them the locusts die so fast they don't do any damage to a protoss deathball.
They don't do damage when the deathball is allowed to micro back. I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing infestors with swarmhosts.
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On April 09 2013 22:42 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 22:41 FeyFey wrote:On April 09 2013 22:32 XupinatoR wrote:
I really feel like this regen on mutas is retarded, I mean, u can run into storms, canons, bunch of stalkers, archons or anything and it really doesnt matter because hey, i regen my hp in 30 secs...
I liked bw staked muta micro, but this is absurd. jupp bw muta was nice. We have this on Terran now, with Medivacs, get them low and the harassment stops. But Mutas work differently now. They can harass forever unless you kill them. So they need to give everyone units that can easily one shot Mutas or dominate them. To late to change this now though. And they made Mutas work a bit in direct engagements atleast with an hit and run style which is something nice. If Protoss only had a counter in air with more range and a higher speed .... hmmm.
And then Zerg makes a bunch of Corrupters to supplement their Mutas, or lands a Fungal on all your Phoenixes.
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On April 09 2013 22:41 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 22:40 Zinthar wrote:On April 09 2013 22:38 Tobblish wrote:On April 09 2013 22:37 Zinthar wrote:
MC and DRG will be back. If DRG plays anything like he did today, he wont. His play wasn't nearly as bad as you're implying. His play was very far from Code S quality.. lol
If code S quality games are not from code S players, then where does it come from?
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On April 09 2013 22:41 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 22:39 xN.07)MaK wrote:On April 09 2013 22:36 xuanzue wrote:
and the winrate of swarm hosts in gsl+gstl+proleague is 0% It reminds me the time when Ultralisks were trashed too, but at the end they found a niche in both ZvP and ZvT. Let's hope it happens again. because Infestor/BL was tooooo good. FD won his GSL with ultras btw actually Flying storming in and killing those helpless mushrooms is my favorite moment of this horrible last game
I think rainbow wasn't very happy with blizzard at that time ^_^
Interesting games, nothing flashy but it's hots, so it's a bit different.
On April 09 2013 22:45 Charlie.Sheen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 22:41 Tobblish wrote:On April 09 2013 22:40 Zinthar wrote:On April 09 2013 22:38 Tobblish wrote:On April 09 2013 22:37 Zinthar wrote:
MC and DRG will be back. If DRG plays anything like he did today, he wont. His play wasn't nearly as bad as you're implying. His play was very far from Code S quality.. lol If code S quality games are not from code S players, then where does it come from?
GSL champions and my favorite guy, even if he never played on code S.
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On April 09 2013 22:43 Insoleet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 22:42 weiliem wrote:
Every game with swarm host is just incredibly boring. Lets burrow and seige up this area, oh yeah! i actually prefer watching broodlords =.= Games like this are lost game from a zerg point of view, and free win for the protoss.
yeah 50 minute game last 30 minute was pure army maneuvering and hit and run and it's "free win"
get out, Flying played very good.
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