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Usual rules apply: No balance whining, caster/player bashing etc. Let's have fun!
snakeeyez
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1231 Posts
March 16 2013 04:58 GMT
#6141
Flash played good I think bly played as well as stephano or ret in those last few games and that flash could beat any of them but could also lose. Late game does not look terran favored those ultras rip bio apart fast even marauders arent that good anymore
Strydor
Profile Joined August 2011
Singapore95 Posts
March 16 2013 04:59 GMT
#6142
On March 16 2013 13:57 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 13:56 Shikyo wrote:
Flash seriously didn't look all that impressive in these games. I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone like Stephano or Scarlet would win ZvT against him, or even Ret. Even though Flash is awesome and all he really wasn't at the level of top korean terrans at least in that series.


I have to agree, comparing this to watching Mvp dismantle Zergs at IEM with 3 drops at once it wasn't that great.


Then again, comparing this to Flash in Flash vs Life wasn't that great either.
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
March 16 2013 04:59 GMT
#6143
On March 16 2013 13:57 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 13:56 Shikyo wrote:
Flash seriously didn't look all that impressive in these games. I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone like Stephano or Scarlet would win ZvT against him, or even Ret. Even though Flash is awesome and all he really wasn't at the level of top korean terrans at least in that series.


I have to agree, comparing this to watching Mvp dismantle Zergs at IEM with 3 drops at once it wasn't that great.

true but flash is very capable of drop quadra/triple prolonged harassment.
It was very clear in the games vs Life.

Game 1 and Game 2 wasnt even close, it was a complete beat down.
I have a small hunch flash took it a bit more easy in game 3 and it bit him in the back hard
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
March 16 2013 04:59 GMT
#6144
On March 16 2013 13:52 LighT. wrote:
have to admit takes a lot for a player to go from
getting absolutely smashed in game 1 and 2 and then winning a very grind out g3 and then putting flash on the brink of an ace match.
He showed tremendous heart. Unfortunately he lacked the finishing blow.
With Viper and infestors I think TvZ will get super fun again although terran still dont have any new units to work with.

What flash showed in g4 is something more people dont which is the will of a champion.
Most players would have faltered losing key battle after key battle by the skin of his teeth but he kept his cool, remained persistent even when he was quite behind and slowly but surely reclaim his lead and secure the win.

Excellent showing by both players.
and FLASHHH


The thing about Bly is that he went for a composition that is great at defending, but can't finish. Flash can literally just drop him everywhere and deny his mining while turtling. Ofc bio will lose against ultra infestor viper, but the point is not to fight it head on, it's to deny mining and trade armies over and over until the zerg mines out. With the new Vipers and their blinding cloud, it becomes much harder for terran to fight zerg head on.

TL:DR: Game looked closer than it actually was. Bly's composition can stall the game, but can't finish. Flash was never in any real danger.
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
March 16 2013 04:59 GMT
#6145
On March 16 2013 13:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 13:48 Roe wrote:
On March 16 2013 13:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 16 2013 13:44 Ldawg wrote:
Hmm....Anna's outfit is...interesting, I just don't know what to think of it. The "InControls" definitely stand out in the wardrobe department for tonight.


Yeah I was going to comment on what she was wearing,. Looks incredibly sloppy with the collar open over the jacket and the loose tie and the untucked shirt x.x

what are we fashionistas now?


This is about the hundredth SC2 tournament where people have commented on how professional the casters, analysts, and interviewers are/ act/ dress/ etc.

Exactly. We're turning into fashionistas!
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 05:01:39
March 16 2013 05:00 GMT
#6146
On March 16 2013 13:59 Strydor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 13:57 Dodgin wrote:
On March 16 2013 13:56 Shikyo wrote:
Flash seriously didn't look all that impressive in these games. I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone like Stephano or Scarlet would win ZvT against him, or even Ret. Even though Flash is awesome and all he really wasn't at the level of top korean terrans at least in that series.


I have to agree, comparing this to watching Mvp dismantle Zergs at IEM with 3 drops at once it wasn't that great.


Then again, comparing this to Flash in Flash vs Life wasn't that great either.


Very true, Flash looked a lot better in that match. Maybe jetlag.

It's just weird that Bly was able to push him so far in game 4 when it was an even macro game, you would figure it would be much more one sided like Stephano vs Mvp was.
megapants
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1314 Posts
March 16 2013 05:01 GMT
#6147
On March 16 2013 13:59 LighT. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 13:57 Dodgin wrote:
On March 16 2013 13:56 Shikyo wrote:
Flash seriously didn't look all that impressive in these games. I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone like Stephano or Scarlet would win ZvT against him, or even Ret. Even though Flash is awesome and all he really wasn't at the level of top korean terrans at least in that series.


I have to agree, comparing this to watching Mvp dismantle Zergs at IEM with 3 drops at once it wasn't that great.

true but flash is very capable of drop quadra/triple prolonged harassment.
It was very clear in the games vs Life.

Game 1 and Game 2 wasnt even close, it was a complete beat down.
I have a small hunch flash took it a bit more easy in game 3 and it bit him in the back hard

agreed, the series vs life was pretty exciting. i think flash's flustered play in the last 2 games was a side-effect of having crushed bly's almost sole roach play in games 1 and 2 and then getting taken down in game 3.
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
March 16 2013 05:01 GMT
#6148
Fantastic match. I love hots so far! First time I've been motivated to dual stream League and SC2. Great games all around so far.
Twitch.tv/Ragequitbm for all the fans
fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
March 16 2013 05:04 GMT
#6149
On March 16 2013 13:44 EpiK wrote:
Bly did a lot better than I thought. Really expected easy 3-0 for flash
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 13:41 Crazypyro1 wrote:
I'm not trying to bash, but Husky and TB need to stop yelling at the same time. It is very hard to follow and makes me want to mute the stream....

Agreed. It also seems like they're really forcing it too. You can still keep viewers engaged without sounding hysterical


If you know anything about Husky you know none of that was forced. I can;t say whether it was for TB or not.
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
March 16 2013 05:09 GMT
#6150
IMO, I think screaming is quite good. I like it. It doesn't sound too forced to me, anyway.
Never!
MateShade
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia736 Posts
March 16 2013 05:10 GMT
#6151
On March 16 2013 14:04 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 13:44 EpiK wrote:
Bly did a lot better than I thought. Really expected easy 3-0 for flash
On March 16 2013 13:41 Crazypyro1 wrote:
I'm not trying to bash, but Husky and TB need to stop yelling at the same time. It is very hard to follow and makes me want to mute the stream....

Agreed. It also seems like they're really forcing it too. You can still keep viewers engaged without sounding hysterical


If you know anything about Husky you know none of that was forced. I can;t say whether it was for TB or not.

whether its forced or not, they probably shouldn't cast together, two shout casters is a pretty bad combo nomatter how decent they are paired with others
Reborn8u
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1761 Posts
March 16 2013 05:11 GMT
#6152
So many good matches to look forward to! Wasn't surprised at all by today's results though. I think tomorrow will be a day with some upsets. It sucks that thorzain and stephano are so close in the bracket, if they both win they'll then have to team kill. Leaving EG with 1 player to get through an absolutely insane ro8.

Brackets
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]

So many potential champs here!
:)
Savant
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States379 Posts
March 16 2013 05:12 GMT
#6153
Flash showed too much weakness against a middling foreign Zerg. If Ret doesn't take him down he'll run into Leenock eventually, and Leenock wouldn't have let game 4 slip away. Flash sticks to low-tech armies for too long, so if his opponent stays alive to max out on gas-based lategame armies Flash starts looking vulnerable.
fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
March 16 2013 05:16 GMT
#6154
Wow vods are already going up on youtube. Well done MLG.
MateShade
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia736 Posts
March 16 2013 05:17 GMT
#6155
On March 16 2013 14:12 Savant wrote:
Flash showed too much weakness against a middling foreign Zerg. If Ret doesn't take him down he'll run into Leenock eventually, and Leenock wouldn't have let game 4 slip away. Flash sticks to low-tech armies for too long, so if his opponent stays alive to max out on gas-based lategame armies Flash starts looking vulnerable.

Translation: 'Flash plays Terran'
fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
March 16 2013 05:18 GMT
#6156
On March 16 2013 14:10 MateShade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 14:04 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On March 16 2013 13:44 EpiK wrote:
Bly did a lot better than I thought. Really expected easy 3-0 for flash
On March 16 2013 13:41 Crazypyro1 wrote:
I'm not trying to bash, but Husky and TB need to stop yelling at the same time. It is very hard to follow and makes me want to mute the stream....

Agreed. It also seems like they're really forcing it too. You can still keep viewers engaged without sounding hysterical


If you know anything about Husky you know none of that was forced. I can;t say whether it was for TB or not.

whether its forced or not, they probably shouldn't cast together, two shout casters is a pretty bad combo nomatter how decent they are paired with others


For my taste it actually made those last 2 games even more crazy. Explosions, ultralisk gibs flying everywhere, marine arms flinging far and wide, and TB and Husky screaming incoherently, it was just awesome.
MateShade
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia736 Posts
March 16 2013 05:18 GMT
#6157
On March 16 2013 14:11 Reborn8u wrote:
So many good matches to look forward to! Wasn't surprised at all by today's results though. I think tomorrow will be a day with some upsets. It sucks that thorzain and stephano are so close in the bracket, if they both win they'll then have to team kill. Leaving EG with 1 player to get through an absolutely insane ro8.

Brackets
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]

So many potential champs here!

Honestly with a bracket like this I think EG is lucky to have a teamkill lol. Stephano and Thorzain both got the easiest first 2 round matches in the entire bracket. If they were in any other place in the bracket the chances of EG having a player int he final 8 would be abysmal.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
March 16 2013 05:19 GMT
#6158
On March 16 2013 13:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 13:44 Ldawg wrote:
Hmm....Anna's outfit is...interesting, I just don't know what to think of it. The "InControls" definitely stand out in the wardrobe department for tonight.


Yeah I was going to comment on what she was wearing,. Looks incredibly sloppy with the collar open over the jacket and the loose tie and the untucked shirt x.x

It's hipster-business wear.
tozi
Profile Joined October 2008
United States506 Posts
March 16 2013 05:22 GMT
#6159
i just feel like terrans in general are pretty helpless against the strength of the ultras.

thats why its best to abuse those medivacs; once that wears off, its really hard vs them ultras + vipers + fungal.
nothing
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 05:34:59
March 16 2013 05:26 GMT
#6160
i'd rather see widow mines than tanks, you can't use blinding cloud to stop all their damage and you don't have to upgrade vehicle weapons for then. mvp was using that tvz at iem and destroying. widow mine + bio
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