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ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
March 09 2013 17:01 GMT
#2501
On March 10 2013 01:55 aurum510 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 01:54 ES.Genie wrote:
On March 10 2013 01:53 aurum510 wrote:
On March 10 2013 01:51 Assirra wrote:
On March 10 2013 01:40 Bowzar wrote:
No wonder some people find Korean vs Korean boring when you have people like Yoda and First. Walking stereotypes right there.

Considering Yoda's smile near the end he was first too much focused on the tournament, then overwhelmed by actually winning, and once that was gone he could finally relax and be happy.


Really? You think you would look like that in an award ceremony...?

Really? There are different kind of personalities? What a shocker.


You mean lack of personality, right?

Maybe I misunderstood you, I'm don't speak Ignorant very well.

User was temp banned for this post.
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
Beavo
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada293 Posts
March 09 2013 17:03 GMT
#2502
Top 4 all IM.

Not a bad payday :D
No one remembers second place
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-09 17:03:56
March 09 2013 17:03 GMT
#2503
Great event, the production was top notch, really enjoyed the show, can't wait for the next tournament

EDIT: and congrats to Incredible Miracles! must feel good to own the entire tournament like they did lol.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
March 09 2013 17:04 GMT
#2504
On March 10 2013 02:03 Integra wrote:
Great event, the production was top notch, really enjoyed the show, can't wait for the next tournament


Agreed. Very very well done guys :D
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-09 17:06:02
March 09 2013 17:05 GMT
#2505
On March 10 2013 02:00 Havik_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 01:55 Dvriel wrote:
On March 10 2013 01:23 dafnay wrote:
medivac boost is such a joke , cant wait for nerfs.

User was warned for this post



Code S player vs a lot of foreigners and Code B players...Nerf the koreans for being sooo good...Only because nobody prepares for drops,they are OP???? Really..P players dont even know how to use Oracles..Sending hallu Oracle to help enemy prepare,diyng to widow mine and not realise this is bronze league...Thats why the 4:0...

Also not a single Tempest there and so few Oracles...



It likely will be nerfed though. Even if its just the energy requirement. Protoss already had to design every build around dealing with drops in WoL without this thing.


I am not sure about energy requirement helping P in the mid game since feedback won't be as good. If anything, maybe add
5-10 seconds on the cool down. But I think we need to see the next Code S season and PL round 4 first.
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
March 09 2013 17:09 GMT
#2506
On March 10 2013 02:05 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 02:00 Havik_ wrote:
On March 10 2013 01:55 Dvriel wrote:
On March 10 2013 01:23 dafnay wrote:
medivac boost is such a joke , cant wait for nerfs.

User was warned for this post



Code S player vs a lot of foreigners and Code B players...Nerf the koreans for being sooo good...Only because nobody prepares for drops,they are OP???? Really..P players dont even know how to use Oracles..Sending hallu Oracle to help enemy prepare,diyng to widow mine and not realise this is bronze league...Thats why the 4:0...

Also not a single Tempest there and so few Oracles...



It likely will be nerfed though. Even if its just the energy requirement. Protoss already had to design every build around dealing with drops in WoL without this thing.


I am not sure about energy requirement helping P in the mid game since feedback won't be as good. If anything, maybe add
5-10 seconds on the cool down. But I think we need to see the next Code S season and PL round 4 first.


Maybe make it a fusion core requirement/upgrade?
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-09 17:16:26
March 09 2013 17:12 GMT
#2507
On March 10 2013 02:00 Havik_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 01:55 Dvriel wrote:
On March 10 2013 01:23 dafnay wrote:
medivac boost is such a joke , cant wait for nerfs.

User was warned for this post



Code S player vs a lot of foreigners and Code B players...Nerf the koreans for being sooo good...Only because nobody prepares for drops,they are OP???? Really..P players dont even know how to use Oracles..Sending hallu Oracle to help enemy prepare,diyng to widow mine and not realise this is bronze league...Thats why the 4:0...

Also not a single Tempest there and so few Oracles...



It likely will be nerfed though. Even if its just the energy requirement. Protoss already had to design every build around dealing with drops in WoL without this thing.

Ofc a decent build accounts for all options, I don't see an issue with that. Just like every good T build has to be designed to deal with a 4 gate, a colossus timing or oracles.

I'm not opposed to changing things but if blizzard approaches hots patching like they did in WoL, we just end up in the same turtlefests. Every effective build that can punish certain greedy styles gets patched out right at the point where players are starting to adapt, leading to even more greed and stale boring gameplay. I think overall blizzard can be quite happy with how HotS held up the first tournament and I think it compares favorably to WoL in terms of viewer experience. Cheesy builds didn't dominate, players that are considered relatively 'equal' in skill played close series and games felt exciting overall.

Random thought: I think if casters were more willing to call out bad play for what it really is, instead of pretending every game is the best series ever played, there would be a whole lot less balance discussions in LR threads and on these forums overall. At times I find it extremely disheartening to see casters hyping bad play, and the result is that balance talk becomes a knee jerk reaction because 'the casters said both players played great!'.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
March 09 2013 17:15 GMT
#2508
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ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
March 09 2013 17:19 GMT
#2509
On March 10 2013 02:12 Derez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 02:00 Havik_ wrote:
On March 10 2013 01:55 Dvriel wrote:
On March 10 2013 01:23 dafnay wrote:
medivac boost is such a joke , cant wait for nerfs.

User was warned for this post



Code S player vs a lot of foreigners and Code B players...Nerf the koreans for being sooo good...Only because nobody prepares for drops,they are OP???? Really..P players dont even know how to use Oracles..Sending hallu Oracle to help enemy prepare,diyng to widow mine and not realise this is bronze league...Thats why the 4:0...

Also not a single Tempest there and so few Oracles...



It likely will be nerfed though. Even if its just the energy requirement. Protoss already had to design every build around dealing with drops in WoL without this thing.

Ofc a decent build accounts for all options, I don't see an issue with that. Just like every good T build has to be designed to deal with a 4 gate, a colossus timing or oracles.

I'm not opposed to changing things but if blizzard approaches hots patching like they did in WoL, we just end up in the same turtlefests. Every effective build that can punish certain greedy styles gets patched out right at the point where players are starting to adapt, leading to even more greed and stale boring gameplay. I think overall blizzard can be quite happy with how HotS held up the first tournament and I think it compares favorably to WoL in terms of viewer experience. Cheesy builds didn't dominate, players that are considered relatively 'equal' in skill played close series and games felt exciting overall.

Random thought: I think if casters were more willing to call out bad play for what it really is, instead of pretending every game is the best series ever played, there would be a whole lot less balance discussions in LR threads and on these forums overall. At times I find it extremely disheartening to see casters hyping bad play, and the result is that balance talk becomes a knee jerk reaction because 'the casters said both players played great!'.

To be fair Apollo and Tod really pointed out that First wasn't playing his best games in the finals, but it seemed like none in the LR thread heard it because everyone was balance whining.
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
GrazerRinge
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
999 Posts
March 09 2013 17:20 GMT
#2510
all in short: IEM World Championsship - IM edition

seriously, 4 players participated, 4 top 4 finishes, take 60% of the whole prize pool

pay day for IM hustlers~~~ :D
"Successful people don't talk much. They listen and take action."
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
March 09 2013 17:20 GMT
#2511
No FFA shenanigans this time?
That was awesome last IEM
...
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-09 17:29:17
March 09 2013 17:26 GMT
#2512
On March 10 2013 02:09 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 02:05 vthree wrote:
On March 10 2013 02:00 Havik_ wrote:
On March 10 2013 01:55 Dvriel wrote:
On March 10 2013 01:23 dafnay wrote:
medivac boost is such a joke , cant wait for nerfs.

User was warned for this post



Code S player vs a lot of foreigners and Code B players...Nerf the koreans for being sooo good...Only because nobody prepares for drops,they are OP???? Really..P players dont even know how to use Oracles..Sending hallu Oracle to help enemy prepare,diyng to widow mine and not realise this is bronze league...Thats why the 4:0...

Also not a single Tempest there and so few Oracles...



It likely will be nerfed though. Even if its just the energy requirement. Protoss already had to design every build around dealing with drops in WoL without this thing.


I am not sure about energy requirement helping P in the mid game since feedback won't be as good. If anything, maybe add
5-10 seconds on the cool down. But I think we need to see the next Code S season and PL round 4 first.


Maybe make it a fusion core requirement/upgrade?


Then we would need to move blink and muta speed back as well. One of the main reasons that medivacs got the boost was just that towards the end WoL, zergs were catching so many drops that it made drop play ineffective. If medivacs didn't get boost, not sure how they would deal with the faster mutas.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
March 09 2013 17:27 GMT
#2513
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Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
March 09 2013 17:28 GMT
#2514
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12276 Posts
March 09 2013 17:32 GMT
#2515
On March 10 2013 02:15 Emzeeshady wrote:
Sad to see Zerg do so awful but I think that ZvT is actually fine because of the skill discrepancy in the matches. ZvP just seems so ridiculously Protoss favoured though. It is just like WOL only Toss is not only favoured in the mid game but also the late game. Still not enough matches to be sure of this but that is my first impression.


Yeah that's why Ret beat First and MC, to make it look as ridiculously protoss favoured as possible
No will to live, no wish to die
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
March 09 2013 17:33 GMT
#2516
On March 10 2013 01:34 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 01:30 Darpa wrote:
Just out of curiosity, do Europeans pronounce Mana as "Mawna" all the time, or is that just something Rachel says? (I realize she isnt European, but I've only ever heard someone say "Mawna" a few times)

Well, it's the way it's pronunced in most languages that are not English, including Polish, German, French, Spanish, Italian, etc. for example.

So it's probably the way MaNa wanted it to be pronounced when he took the nickname.

I don't know what you mean by "Mawna" but in french an "a" (when not combined with another letter) is always pronounced the same, which is the pronounciation as in "Paris".
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12276 Posts
March 09 2013 17:38 GMT
#2517
On March 10 2013 02:33 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 01:34 StarVe wrote:
On March 10 2013 01:30 Darpa wrote:
Just out of curiosity, do Europeans pronounce Mana as "Mawna" all the time, or is that just something Rachel says? (I realize she isnt European, but I've only ever heard someone say "Mawna" a few times)

Well, it's the way it's pronunced in most languages that are not English, including Polish, German, French, Spanish, Italian, etc. for example.

So it's probably the way MaNa wanted it to be pronounced when he took the nickname.

I don't know what you mean by "Mawna" but in french an "a" (when not combined with another letter) is always pronounced the same, which is the pronounciation as in "Paris".


That isn't entirely true, we have two different "a" sound, "\a\" and "\ɑ\", although not all speakers make the difference and I don't even know why I'm pointing this out anyway \o/
No will to live, no wish to die
Dumboprime
Profile Joined March 2011
985 Posts
March 09 2013 17:38 GMT
#2518
Tournament was fair overall
Happygreek
Profile Joined April 2012
United States220 Posts
March 09 2013 17:39 GMT
#2519
On March 10 2013 02:32 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 02:15 Emzeeshady wrote:
Sad to see Zerg do so awful but I think that ZvT is actually fine because of the skill discrepancy in the matches. ZvP just seems so ridiculously Protoss favoured though. It is just like WOL only Toss is not only favoured in the mid game but also the late game. Still not enough matches to be sure of this but that is my first impression.


Yeah that's why Ret beat First and MC, to make it look as ridiculously protoss favoured as possible


I'd caution you to never use specific games to counter general points. He's right in that there are sample size issues, and you're taking them in the wrong direction.
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
March 09 2013 17:40 GMT
#2520
On March 10 2013 02:27 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 02:19 ES.Genie wrote:
On March 10 2013 02:12 Derez wrote:
On March 10 2013 02:00 Havik_ wrote:
On March 10 2013 01:55 Dvriel wrote:
On March 10 2013 01:23 dafnay wrote:
medivac boost is such a joke , cant wait for nerfs.

User was warned for this post



Code S player vs a lot of foreigners and Code B players...Nerf the koreans for being sooo good...Only because nobody prepares for drops,they are OP???? Really..P players dont even know how to use Oracles..Sending hallu Oracle to help enemy prepare,diyng to widow mine and not realise this is bronze league...Thats why the 4:0...

Also not a single Tempest there and so few Oracles...



It likely will be nerfed though. Even if its just the energy requirement. Protoss already had to design every build around dealing with drops in WoL without this thing.

Ofc a decent build accounts for all options, I don't see an issue with that. Just like every good T build has to be designed to deal with a 4 gate, a colossus timing or oracles.

I'm not opposed to changing things but if blizzard approaches hots patching like they did in WoL, we just end up in the same turtlefests. Every effective build that can punish certain greedy styles gets patched out right at the point where players are starting to adapt, leading to even more greed and stale boring gameplay. I think overall blizzard can be quite happy with how HotS held up the first tournament and I think it compares favorably to WoL in terms of viewer experience. Cheesy builds didn't dominate, players that are considered relatively 'equal' in skill played close series and games felt exciting overall.

Random thought: I think if casters were more willing to call out bad play for what it really is, instead of pretending every game is the best series ever played, there would be a whole lot less balance discussions in LR threads and on these forums overall. At times I find it extremely disheartening to see casters hyping bad play, and the result is that balance talk becomes a knee jerk reaction because 'the casters said both players played great!'.

To be fair Apollo and Tod really pointed out that First wasn't playing his best games in the finals, but it seemed like none in the LR thread heard it because everyone was balance whining.

Really? Yoda is Code S and this is a teamkill match. I wouldn't base anything on First losing.

Ofcourse we shouldn't, but seems like a lot of people in here don't care about arguments.
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
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