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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12024 Posts
March 05 2013 17:07 GMT
#2541
I really do think zergs could hold off that 2 reaper 2 hellion stuff with a single spine crawler. They're also good against mines too.
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 05 2013 17:07 GMT
#2542
On March 06 2013 02:05 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 02:04 Andr3 wrote:
I actually really like the suggestion to make widow mines do friendly-fire damage. They're already exciting, but they would be even more with that change.

Kinda like spider mines in BW, BOOM good bye 6-tank clump :I


They already do friendly fire.

Only unit they don't damage is other mines.

Other friendly mines.

I don't even know if they don't damage your allies' mines in team games. Will be worth testing.
essencez
Profile Joined February 2012
342 Posts
March 05 2013 17:07 GMT
#2543
Note Yoda probably is very tired from jet lagg. I don't think he saw Ret's other games and would be in no position to comment on Ret's play.
essence.gg - "Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
March 05 2013 17:07 GMT
#2544
On March 06 2013 02:02 TBO wrote:
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On March 06 2013 02:02 Leetley wrote:
You absolutely can't play muta/bling against what Yoda had.


have any better ideas? remember you also need to deal with speed medivacs. banelings with speed are great both vs hellbats and mines

I'm not a Zerg player so I can't say for sure. But from watching HyuN's stream a lot, Roach hydra into roach hydra viper seems to do very well against that kind of composition.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
mythandier
Profile Joined January 2011
United States828 Posts
March 05 2013 17:08 GMT
#2545
On March 06 2013 02:05 Maesy wrote:
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On March 06 2013 02:04 TimENT wrote:
On March 06 2013 02:02 Maesy wrote:
On March 06 2013 02:01 TimENT wrote:
I hope blizz makes mines do no damage to mutalisks. Would make TvZ INSANE


This is the dumbest post I've seen in a long time.


Why? Marines and thors dominate mutalisks already. All three aspects of mutalingbling get demolished by mines. Would make the old school TvZ's even better.


They can't just make mines not do damage to one specific unit. Maybe if they switch mines to ground only it would make Terran have to work a little harder against all air units since they already have marines and turrets that work very well anyways.

Just like they can't make spores do more damage against one specific unit?

I agree that they should be able to hit air...but your argument is pretty invalid.
nomyx
Profile Joined June 2012
United States2205 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 17:09:28
March 05 2013 17:08 GMT
#2546
On March 06 2013 02:07 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
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On March 06 2013 02:04 sparklyresidue wrote:
I'd be interested to see how widow mines work without being able to hit air. That said, I hope Blizzard doesn't patch the game for a few months at least, as I want to see how TvZ develops.


My guess is that blizzard gave the WM an anti-air ability because mech sucks vs air. With an aa warhound, WM's could be anti-ground only and 1 supply.


Add in warhound but with the same stats as goliath (who wants to let a good model / voice over go to waste**).

1 supply ground only widow mines

I would love that.
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
March 05 2013 17:08 GMT
#2547
On March 06 2013 02:05 Bocian wrote:
I think yoda played really well but mines need a slight nerf.

i don't think mines being too strong were the problem that game. ret could have squeezed more out of his attack, which was a big gamble that didn't pay off. after that i think yoda was too far ahead anyways.

gj to ret though, super strong showing in groups even though it's still the beta. hope to see more of his zvp in the playoffs.
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Jomppa
Profile Joined July 2011
1225 Posts
March 05 2013 17:08 GMT
#2548
Any more games today?
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 17:09:27
March 05 2013 17:08 GMT
#2549
On March 06 2013 02:07 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
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On March 06 2013 02:04 sparklyresidue wrote:
I'd be interested to see how widow mines work without being able to hit air. That said, I hope Blizzard doesn't patch the game for a few months at least, as I want to see how TvZ develops.


My guess is that blizzard gave the WM an anti-air ability because mech sucks vs air. With an aa warhound, WM's could be anti-ground only and 1 supply.


Just say Goliath, srsly.

I have to add that Goliaths are the coolest unit out there. Especially the sound of their AA rockets...
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Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
March 05 2013 17:09 GMT
#2550
On March 06 2013 02:08 nunez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 02:05 Bocian wrote:
I think yoda played really well but mines need a slight nerf.

i don't think mines being too strong were the problem that game. ret could have squeezed more out of his attack, which was a big gamble that didn't pay off. after that i think yoda was too far ahead anyways.

gj to ret though, super strong showing in groups even though it's still the beta. hope to see more of his zvp in the playoffs.


so funny how forum terrans defend themselves lol, every pro terran (even yoda 2 minutes ago) openly admit that terran is hugely favored against zerg right now and the mine is only one of the problems
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 17:11:16
March 05 2013 17:09 GMT
#2551
On March 06 2013 02:08 Jomppa wrote:
Any more games today?


Done for today. Group C and D tomorrow.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
March 05 2013 17:10 GMT
#2552
On March 06 2013 02:08 Jomppa wrote:
Any more games today?


Nope.
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Maesy
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1444 Posts
March 05 2013 17:10 GMT
#2553
On March 06 2013 02:07 TimENT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 02:05 Maesy wrote:
On March 06 2013 02:04 TimENT wrote:
On March 06 2013 02:02 Maesy wrote:
On March 06 2013 02:01 TimENT wrote:
I hope blizz makes mines do no damage to mutalisks. Would make TvZ INSANE


This is the dumbest post I've seen in a long time.


Why? Marines and thors dominate mutalisks already. All three aspects of mutalingbling get demolished by mines. Would make the old school TvZ's even better.


They can't just make mines not do damage to one specific unit. Maybe if they switch mines to ground only it would make Terran have to work a little harder against all air units since they already have marines and turrets that work very well anyways.


Ohhhh, you care about lore. The only air units that Terran has problems with are massive air units. The mine only helps vs oracles and mutalisks.


What...? This has nothing to do with lore, it has to do with awful game design. If you make it so the widow mine can hit all air units except the Mutalisk, you're basically telling everyone "We wanted to buff the Mutalisk so it was used more, but the widow mine is too strong, so instead of looking into fixing the widow mine as a unit we're just going to make it so it can hit everything but Mutalisks so that people actually make them.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
March 05 2013 17:10 GMT
#2554
On March 06 2013 02:09 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 02:08 Jomppa wrote:
Any more games today?


Done for today. Group C and D tomorrow.


D is on thursday.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
March 05 2013 17:10 GMT
#2555
On March 06 2013 02:10 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 02:09 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On March 06 2013 02:08 Jomppa wrote:
Any more games today?


Done for today. Group C and D tomorrow.


D is on thursday.


Oh that's right. Sorry.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
March 05 2013 17:11 GMT
#2556
On March 06 2013 02:07 essencez wrote:
Note Yoda probably is very tired from jet lagg. I don't think he saw Ret's other games and would be in no position to comment on Ret's play.


Plus he was likely playing while the matches were going on.
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
March 05 2013 17:11 GMT
#2557
On March 06 2013 02:07 Qikz wrote:
I really do think zergs could hold off that 2 reaper 2 hellion stuff with a single spine crawler. They're also good against mines too.


make - a - spine?

have you taken your medication today?

also, first won kas 2-0, guess observers are too good Oo
Sh1bby
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany711 Posts
March 05 2013 17:11 GMT
#2558
LG-IEM!!! Yeeehhhaaaa. Next step Mvp #1 Group D.
"People should not ruminate about the past. Just do your best here and now." [Aya Kito]
TimENT
Profile Joined November 2012
United States1425 Posts
March 05 2013 17:11 GMT
#2559
Christ I hope Blizz doesn't do something stupid to the mine, like require an armory...that would do nothing to their absolute raping of mutalingbling.
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Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
March 05 2013 17:11 GMT
#2560
Also I forgot btw that while allining, ret did go up to 600 minerals, so he could've definetly done more. Still was surprised how... well yoda held that bling bust seeing as his rax was proxied
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