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iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
February 25 2013 10:24 GMT
#421
also nobody builds 20-30 widow mines on ladder. your army would be tiny and get obliterated by any late game comp
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 25 2013 10:24 GMT
#422
Ganzi rocking them 93 APM
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
February 25 2013 10:25 GMT
#423
On February 25 2013 19:21 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:21 sitromit wrote:
By the way, I'm not theorycrafting about using 20-30 mines to blow up an entire army. People are actually doing this on the ladder. With Drilling Claws, they can run straight into the army, burrow them instantly, and they all fire. They do enough single target damage to one-shot most units, so with smart fire and the splash on top, they one shot an army.


What is their speed and supply cost?

2 supply, 2.81 movespeed. Burrow takes 3 seconds, normally, but is reduced to 1 with a 150/150 upgrade.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
February 25 2013 10:25 GMT
#424
2rax, no mech
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
February 25 2013 10:25 GMT
#425
are people actually discussing that game? :D it was speedless roach vs mass m/m/m, then with hydras added, following up with vipers vs 0 tanks in the end. Meanwhile ganzi just massing m/m/m + well, mines.

was just sillyness allover, wouldn't really worry about it
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
February 25 2013 10:26 GMT
#426
On February 25 2013 19:24 iky43210 wrote:
also nobody builds 20-30 widow mines on ladder. your army would be tiny and get obliterated by any late game comp

not if the 20-30 widow mines obliterate their army!
iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-25 10:27:59
February 25 2013 10:26 GMT
#427
On February 25 2013 19:21 sitromit wrote:
By the way, I'm not theorycrafting about using 20-30 mines to blow up an entire army. People are actually doing this on the ladder. With Drilling Claws, they can run straight into the army, burrow them instantly, and they all fire. They do enough single target damage to one-shot most units, so with smart fire and the splash on top, they one shot an army.

Looks like Blizzard needs to remove that upgrade then. It´s about as silly and counter-productive for the game as Khaydarin Amulet was. The widow mine is fine without it.

Warp in units and storm everything = Move in mines and instakill units
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
February 25 2013 10:26 GMT
#428
This first guy playing vanilla toss in HOTS lol. Ganzi gonna roll him.
Sup
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
February 25 2013 10:27 GMT
#429
On February 25 2013 19:26 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:24 iky43210 wrote:
also nobody builds 20-30 widow mines on ladder. your army would be tiny and get obliterated by any late game comp

not if the 20-30 widow mines obliterate their army!


maybe have a real army and micro a bit
ControlMonkey
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia3109 Posts
February 25 2013 10:27 GMT
#430
Sentry stutterstep micro looks hilarious.
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
February 25 2013 10:27 GMT
#431
On February 25 2013 19:26 iSunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:21 sitromit wrote:
By the way, I'm not theorycrafting about using 20-30 mines to blow up an entire army. People are actually doing this on the ladder. With Drilling Claws, they can run straight into the army, burrow them instantly, and they all fire. They do enough single target damage to one-shot most units, so with smart fire and the splash on top, they one shot an army.

Looks like Blizzard needs to remove that upgrade then. It´s about as silly and counter-productive for the game as Khaydarin Amulet was. The widow mine is fine without out.

Warp in units and storm everything = Move in units and instakill them.

Oh then what's left for Terran in HotS ? Could they revert back old Widow mine ? lol
@taefoxy
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12057 Posts
February 25 2013 10:27 GMT
#432
On February 25 2013 19:26 iSunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:21 sitromit wrote:
By the way, I'm not theorycrafting about using 20-30 mines to blow up an entire army. People are actually doing this on the ladder. With Drilling Claws, they can run straight into the army, burrow them instantly, and they all fire. They do enough single target damage to one-shot most units, so with smart fire and the splash on top, they one shot an army.

Looks like Blizzard needs to remove that upgrade then. It´s about as silly and counter-productive for the game as Khaydarin Amulet was. The widow mine is fine without out.

Warp in units and storm everything = Move in units and instakill them.


Without the upgrade it basically makes the mines worthless against toss as against skytoss the mines are one of the only counters you can actually use for tempests.

Also I'm not going to hold out hope for mech today. I really want to see it, but I feel Blizzard may have to patch the game at release if they want people to use it as currently pros don't seem to like it.
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avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
February 25 2013 10:27 GMT
#433
Spoke too soon, hallucinated oracle @_@
Sup
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
February 25 2013 10:27 GMT
#434
On February 25 2013 19:25 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:21 Heartland wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:21 sitromit wrote:
By the way, I'm not theorycrafting about using 20-30 mines to blow up an entire army. People are actually doing this on the ladder. With Drilling Claws, they can run straight into the army, burrow them instantly, and they all fire. They do enough single target damage to one-shot most units, so with smart fire and the splash on top, they one shot an army.


What is their speed and supply cost?

2 supply, 2.81 movespeed. Burrow takes 3 seconds, normally, but is reduced to 1 with a 150/150 upgrade.


So can't they just be kited then?
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
February 25 2013 10:28 GMT
#435
On February 25 2013 19:13 Maesy wrote:
Everytime the camera catches Mvp he never seems happy/amused anymore. Makes me cry inside.


He looked happy yesterday when he and NesTea was munching donuts.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
jjmmtt
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia995 Posts
February 25 2013 10:28 GMT
#436
Want Skytoss... after watching how crazy it could be on Day9's funday monday... it really seems possible.
Mista_Masta
Profile Joined January 2009
Netherlands557 Posts
February 25 2013 10:28 GMT
#437
Still hoping for Eve vs Mvp or NesTea ace match. Gogo make it happen! :-)
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12888 Posts
February 25 2013 10:28 GMT
#438
On February 25 2013 19:24 iky43210 wrote:
also nobody builds 20-30 widow mines on ladder. your army would be tiny and get obliterated by any late game comp

I just watched a TvT game on thorzain stream and he had around 15 mines. It's basically another skyterran deathball unit composition
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8096 Posts
February 25 2013 10:28 GMT
#439
First doesn't believe in chronoboosting.
iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-25 10:30:59
February 25 2013 10:29 GMT
#440
On February 25 2013 19:27 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:26 iSunrise wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:21 sitromit wrote:
By the way, I'm not theorycrafting about using 20-30 mines to blow up an entire army. People are actually doing this on the ladder. With Drilling Claws, they can run straight into the army, burrow them instantly, and they all fire. They do enough single target damage to one-shot most units, so with smart fire and the splash on top, they one shot an army.

Looks like Blizzard needs to remove that upgrade then. It´s about as silly and counter-productive for the game as Khaydarin Amulet was. The widow mine is fine without out.

Warp in units and storm everything = Move in units and instakill them.


Without the upgrade it basically makes the mines worthless against toss as against skytoss the mines are one of the only counters you can actually use for tempests.

Also I'm not going to hold out hope for mech today. I really want to see it, but I feel Blizzard may have to patch the game at release if they want people to use it as currently pros don't seem to like it.

No, they are not worthless. Mines are not for attacking an army upfront like marines/marauders are. They are mines. If they can be used like what sitromit wrote, that just doesn´t fit at all.

If you want to kill Tempest you need vikings, like in WoL, so what´s the problem?
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