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LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
February 25 2013 10:15 GMT
#381
First coming out, reppin' them LG-IM Protoss.
Long live the King of Wings
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 25 2013 10:15 GMT
#382
First, cool.
Mvp gonna clean em up later
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
February 25 2013 10:15 GMT
#383
MMM + M gg
Making 8 New Medivacs plus 7 Mines pretty sick
@taefoxy
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16126 Posts
February 25 2013 10:15 GMT
#384
On February 25 2013 19:14 iky43210 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:13 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:12 Dodgin wrote:
I don't get how ganzi just suddenly started winning fights, especially when the vipers came out.


The Widow Mine count actually got higher. He was losing before because he didn't have the mine count to really make that bio army cost effective/

the mine didn't do shit in that engagement where Ganzi turned/determine the battle. He simply reached a medivac breaking point where it was healing his units very fast and takes too long for zerg to break it down.

As zerg you need aoe or tech up to t3 before medivacs get too high


Yes landing splash damage on all of the squishy Hydralisks getting them to low health had nothing to do with it.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
February 25 2013 10:15 GMT
#385
On February 25 2013 19:13 Alak wrote:
Is the gas usage such that the zerg has to choose between vipers and infestors? It seems like a few infestors might've been useful there.

Entertaining game though!

Fairly significant damage reduction against marauders, and there wasn't enough gas to produce infestor hydra roach viper.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12057 Posts
February 25 2013 10:15 GMT
#386
On February 25 2013 19:13 sitromit wrote:
Finally someone shows a glimpse of how Widow Mines can be abused. Now until someone takes out an entire tier 3 army by rushing in with 30 mines.


Abused? Ragnarok could have killed them as hydras outrange all of them.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
February 25 2013 10:16 GMT
#387
Proxy oracle incoming next game me thinks
Sup
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8096 Posts
February 25 2013 10:16 GMT
#388
On February 25 2013 19:15 Heartland wrote:
Ragnarok should just have upgraded roach saddle in that situation.

That would've been pretty baller.
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
February 25 2013 10:16 GMT
#389
On February 25 2013 19:15 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:14 iky43210 wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:13 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:12 Dodgin wrote:
I don't get how ganzi just suddenly started winning fights, especially when the vipers came out.


The Widow Mine count actually got higher. He was losing before because he didn't have the mine count to really make that bio army cost effective/

the mine didn't do shit in that engagement where Ganzi turned/determine the battle. He simply reached a medivac breaking point where it was healing his units very fast and takes too long for zerg to break it down.

As zerg you need aoe or tech up to t3 before medivacs get too high


Yes landing splash damage on all of the squishy Hydralisks getting them to low health had nothing to do with it.


Rag was already dead by that point. When he lost his army after screwing up 3 blinding cloud, that was when game is over.

You can't beat terran with that many medivacs without some sort of aoe/burst
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12888 Posts
February 25 2013 10:16 GMT
#390
On February 25 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:13 sitromit wrote:
Finally someone shows a glimpse of how Widow Mines can be abused. Now until someone takes out an entire tier 3 army by rushing in with 30 mines.


Abused? Ragnarok could have killed them as hydras outrange all of them.

with widow mine burrow speed, the fast bio widow mine push don't let you reach them to kill the widow mines
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
February 25 2013 10:17 GMT
#391
Mines might be a better choice against roach-hydra-viper than tanks because you don't need vikings and costs less.
All I do is Stim.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
February 25 2013 10:17 GMT
#392
On February 25 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:13 sitromit wrote:
Finally someone shows a glimpse of how Widow Mines can be abused. Now until someone takes out an entire tier 3 army by rushing in with 30 mines.


Abused? Ragnarok could have killed them as hydras outrange all of them.


Ah yes your right he should have focused the widow mines down with hydras and kept the roaches in back so that they dont' trigger the mines all while the MMM ball is firing as well.
When I think of something else, something will go here
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
February 25 2013 10:17 GMT
#393
On February 25 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:13 sitromit wrote:
Finally someone shows a glimpse of how Widow Mines can be abused. Now until someone takes out an entire tier 3 army by rushing in with 30 mines.


Abused? Ragnarok could have killed them as hydras outrange all of them.


Widow Mines have low target priority. How is he supposed to target fire all those mines while he's being attacked with a bio army?
jjmmtt
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia995 Posts
February 25 2013 10:17 GMT
#394
On February 25 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:13 sitromit wrote:
Finally someone shows a glimpse of how Widow Mines can be abused. Now until someone takes out an entire tier 3 army by rushing in with 30 mines.


Abused? Ragnarok could have killed them as hydras outrange all of them.


You mean like how marines can kill creep tumors (except if the zerg army bounces in and out killing them to stop that from happening? Ganzi used them in the same way, except that mines do huge damage and tumors don't )
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
February 25 2013 10:17 GMT
#395
On February 25 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:13 sitromit wrote:
Finally someone shows a glimpse of how Widow Mines can be abused. Now until someone takes out an entire tier 3 army by rushing in with 30 mines.


Abused? Ragnarok could have killed them as hydras outrange all of them.


Don't let common sense get in the way of Terran balance whining.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
February 25 2013 10:17 GMT
#396
I've been using this style a lot lately TvZ. I prefer it over mech because I feel mech play is bland and less exciting to play/watch as well.

morlakaix
Profile Joined February 2011
United States860 Posts
February 25 2013 10:17 GMT
#397
that game actually looked really similar to a WoL PvT

2 base vs 2 base, and the T does some 5-6rax 2 base stim push and keeps pushing over and over and over while the toss is on robo

and he kind of just slowly wittles him down right before collosus/ht comes out
ujonecro
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom846 Posts
February 25 2013 10:17 GMT
#398
On February 25 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:13 sitromit wrote:
Finally someone shows a glimpse of how Widow Mines can be abused. Now until someone takes out an entire tier 3 army by rushing in with 30 mines.


Abused? Ragnarok could have killed them as hydras outrange all of them.


If you put your hydras in front to snipe mines, stimmed bio absolutely annihilates this most expensive part of your army.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
February 25 2013 10:17 GMT
#399
Glad Ganzi seems to finally be getting back in form again. He dropped off quite a bit for a while there, mostly due to his health though.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12057 Posts
February 25 2013 10:18 GMT
#400
On February 25 2013 19:16 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:13 sitromit wrote:
Finally someone shows a glimpse of how Widow Mines can be abused. Now until someone takes out an entire tier 3 army by rushing in with 30 mines.


Abused? Ragnarok could have killed them as hydras outrange all of them.

with widow mine burrow speed, the fast bio widow mine push don't let you reach them to kill the widow mines


If you can't reach them to attack them (that means they're not in your range) then they can't hit you either.

He cloud have clouded the ramp and then focused the mines at the end, not that the mines did anything, he just didn't use cloud and lost all his units to bio.
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