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Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
February 25 2013 10:18 GMT
#401
On February 25 2013 19:17 DifuntO wrote:
Mines might be a better choice against roach-hydra-viper than tanks because you don't need vikings and costs less.

and Blinding Cloud makes Siege Tanks completely useless until you unsiege them and move them out of the cloud...
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
February 25 2013 10:19 GMT
#402
On February 25 2013 19:17 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:13 sitromit wrote:
Finally someone shows a glimpse of how Widow Mines can be abused. Now until someone takes out an entire tier 3 army by rushing in with 30 mines.


Abused? Ragnarok could have killed them as hydras outrange all of them.


Widow Mines have low target priority. How is he supposed to target fire all those mines while he's being attacked with a bio army?


actually widow mine have the same priority once they are burrowed. Infestors are decent for dealing with them as well
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
February 25 2013 10:19 GMT
#403
Go go First!
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 25 2013 10:19 GMT
#404
HOTS Experience 50 = level?
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
February 25 2013 10:20 GMT
#405
On February 25 2013 19:17 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:13 sitromit wrote:
Finally someone shows a glimpse of how Widow Mines can be abused. Now until someone takes out an entire tier 3 army by rushing in with 30 mines.


Abused? Ragnarok could have killed them as hydras outrange all of them.


Ah yes your right he should have focused the widow mines down with hydras and kept the roaches in back so that they dont' trigger the mines all while the MMM ball is firing as well.


Thanks for writing down my thoughts <3. People always talk like zergs are bad if they get hit by widow mines but at some point you have to engage and you can't bait or focus widow mines when they are with a bio army.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 25 2013 10:21 GMT
#406
On February 25 2013 19:17 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:13 sitromit wrote:
Finally someone shows a glimpse of how Widow Mines can be abused. Now until someone takes out an entire tier 3 army by rushing in with 30 mines.


Abused? Ragnarok could have killed them as hydras outrange all of them.


Widow Mines have low target priority. How is he supposed to target fire all those mines while he's being attacked with a bio army?

gosh, micro. who'd've thought!
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
February 25 2013 10:21 GMT
#407
By the way, I'm not theorycrafting about using 20-30 mines to blow up an entire army. People are actually doing this on the ladder. With Drilling Claws, they can run straight into the army, burrow them instantly, and they all fire. They do enough single target damage to one-shot most units, so with smart fire and the splash on top, they one shot an army.
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
February 25 2013 10:21 GMT
#408
On February 25 2013 19:19 Pandemona wrote:
HOTS Experience 50 = level?

HotS experience 50 = random number Hirai (Coach) gave First.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
February 25 2013 10:21 GMT
#409
On February 25 2013 19:21 sitromit wrote:
By the way, I'm not theorycrafting about using 20-30 mines to blow up an entire army. People are actually doing this on the ladder. With Drilling Claws, they can run straight into the army, burrow them instantly, and they all fire. They do enough single target damage to one-shot most units, so with smart fire and the splash on top, they one shot an army.


What is their speed and supply cost?
Talionis
Profile Joined November 2010
Scotland4085 Posts
February 25 2013 10:21 GMT
#410
Oh it's First !

I'm excited.
Alak
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden380 Posts
February 25 2013 10:22 GMT
#411
On February 25 2013 19:15 bo1b wrote:
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On February 25 2013 19:13 Alak wrote:
Is the gas usage such that the zerg has to choose between vipers and infestors? It seems like a few infestors might've been useful there.

Entertaining game though!

Fairly significant damage reduction against marauders, and there wasn't enough gas to produce infestor hydra roach viper.


That's what I thought. The thought was that the fungal damage is just a bonus, the real thing would be to fungal units under a blinding cloud, giving the hydras some breathing room to go for the mines/medivacs. It's all just theory though, so it might not be worth it and as you say, not enough gas.
Amateurish. Nearsighted. A waste of my time and everyone else's.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 25 2013 10:22 GMT
#412
On February 25 2013 19:21 Elite_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:19 Pandemona wrote:
HOTS Experience 50 = level?

HotS experience 50 = random number Hirai (Coach) gave First.


Ohhhh lmao xD Random ftw
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
February 25 2013 10:22 GMT
#413
On February 25 2013 19:18 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:16 ETisME wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:13 sitromit wrote:
Finally someone shows a glimpse of how Widow Mines can be abused. Now until someone takes out an entire tier 3 army by rushing in with 30 mines.


Abused? Ragnarok could have killed them as hydras outrange all of them.

with widow mine burrow speed, the fast bio widow mine push don't let you reach them to kill the widow mines


If you can't reach them to attack them (that means they're not in your range) then they can't hit you either.

He cloud have clouded the ramp and then focused the mines at the end, not that the mines did anything, he just didn't use cloud and lost all his units to bio.

He did use cloud earlier. The reason he didn't use it at the very end is because he didn't have the energy for it, which is why he almost ate his hatchery to death. Outside of the situation you're talking about, it's hard to target fire widow mines cost efficiently if you have MMM already attacking your hydras, which are fragile units to begin with.
Long live the King of Wings
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 25 2013 10:22 GMT
#414
On February 25 2013 19:21 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:17 sitromit wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:13 sitromit wrote:
Finally someone shows a glimpse of how Widow Mines can be abused. Now until someone takes out an entire tier 3 army by rushing in with 30 mines.


Abused? Ragnarok could have killed them as hydras outrange all of them.


Widow Mines have low target priority. How is he supposed to target fire all those mines while he's being attacked with a bio army?

gosh, micro. who'd've thought!


So cynical, lol. Zergs ain't used to microing things, give them some time!
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
February 25 2013 10:23 GMT
#415
On February 25 2013 19:20 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:17 blade55555 wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:13 sitromit wrote:
Finally someone shows a glimpse of how Widow Mines can be abused. Now until someone takes out an entire tier 3 army by rushing in with 30 mines.


Abused? Ragnarok could have killed them as hydras outrange all of them.


Ah yes your right he should have focused the widow mines down with hydras and kept the roaches in back so that they dont' trigger the mines all while the MMM ball is firing as well.


Thanks for writing down my thoughts <3. People always talk like zergs are bad if they get hit by widow mines but at some point you have to engage and you can't bait or focus widow mines when they are with a bio army.


cast fungal, kill widow mines. Fyi you can also abduct widow mines, you could also charge in 1-2 overlords before sending your lings in. Remember widow mines also friendly fires, so if you get there fast enough on creep it can go with your favor
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
February 25 2013 10:23 GMT
#416
Lifes Incredible Miracle First?

You heard it here first.
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
hasuterrans
Profile Joined April 2009
United States614 Posts
February 25 2013 10:23 GMT
#417
Over time, widow mine usage like Ganzi's will become less effective as zergs grow in skill against the unit. BW protoss could defensively micro against spider mines. You even saw focus firing against spider mines after they popped and moved to explode which is considerably harder than targeting widow mines.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7997 Posts
February 25 2013 10:23 GMT
#418
On February 25 2013 19:22 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 19:21 opterown wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:17 sitromit wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:
On February 25 2013 19:13 sitromit wrote:
Finally someone shows a glimpse of how Widow Mines can be abused. Now until someone takes out an entire tier 3 army by rushing in with 30 mines.


Abused? Ragnarok could have killed them as hydras outrange all of them.


Widow Mines have low target priority. How is he supposed to target fire all those mines while he's being attacked with a bio army?

gosh, micro. who'd've thought!


So cynical, lol. Zergs ain't used to microing things, give them some time!


i want to force you two to play 100 hots games as zerg vs t and p then come back
Fus Ro Dah
Profile Joined January 2013
Singapore141 Posts
February 25 2013 10:23 GMT
#419
So that's how SNM and Whiplash looks like.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 25 2013 10:24 GMT
#420
On February 25 2013 19:21 sitromit wrote:
By the way, I'm not theorycrafting about using 20-30 mines to blow up an entire army. People are actually doing this on the ladder. With Drilling Claws, they can run straight into the army, burrow them instantly, and they all fire. They do enough single target damage to one-shot most units, so with smart fire and the splash on top, they one shot an army.


Yes. I think it will come down to how many mines the zerg eats. Of course, avoiding them 100% is impossible. But eating 100% of them will also make you lose. As for what percentage, it will depend on your comp and spread.
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