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On February 25 2013 19:17 DifuntO wrote: Mines might be a better choice against roach-hydra-viper than tanks because you don't need vikings and costs less. and Blinding Cloud makes Siege Tanks completely useless until you unsiege them and move them out of the cloud...
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On February 25 2013 19:17 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:On February 25 2013 19:13 sitromit wrote: Finally someone shows a glimpse of how Widow Mines can be abused. Now until someone takes out an entire tier 3 army by rushing in with 30 mines. Abused? Ragnarok could have killed them as hydras outrange all of them. Widow Mines have low target priority. How is he supposed to target fire all those mines while he's being attacked with a bio army?
actually widow mine have the same priority once they are burrowed. Infestors are decent for dealing with them as well
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51335 Posts
HOTS Experience 50 = level?
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On February 25 2013 19:17 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:On February 25 2013 19:13 sitromit wrote: Finally someone shows a glimpse of how Widow Mines can be abused. Now until someone takes out an entire tier 3 army by rushing in with 30 mines. Abused? Ragnarok could have killed them as hydras outrange all of them. Ah yes your right he should have focused the widow mines down with hydras and kept the roaches in back so that they dont' trigger the mines all while the MMM ball is firing as well.
Thanks for writing down my thoughts <3. People always talk like zergs are bad if they get hit by widow mines but at some point you have to engage and you can't bait or focus widow mines when they are with a bio army.
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opterown
Australia54650 Posts
On February 25 2013 19:17 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:On February 25 2013 19:13 sitromit wrote: Finally someone shows a glimpse of how Widow Mines can be abused. Now until someone takes out an entire tier 3 army by rushing in with 30 mines. Abused? Ragnarok could have killed them as hydras outrange all of them. Widow Mines have low target priority. How is he supposed to target fire all those mines while he's being attacked with a bio army? gosh, micro. who'd've thought!
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By the way, I'm not theorycrafting about using 20-30 mines to blow up an entire army. People are actually doing this on the ladder. With Drilling Claws, they can run straight into the army, burrow them instantly, and they all fire. They do enough single target damage to one-shot most units, so with smart fire and the splash on top, they one shot an army.
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On February 25 2013 19:19 Pandemona wrote: HOTS Experience 50 = level? HotS experience 50 = random number Hirai (Coach) gave First.
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On February 25 2013 19:21 sitromit wrote: By the way, I'm not theorycrafting about using 20-30 mines to blow up an entire army. People are actually doing this on the ladder. With Drilling Claws, they can run straight into the army, burrow them instantly, and they all fire. They do enough single target damage to one-shot most units, so with smart fire and the splash on top, they one shot an army.
What is their speed and supply cost?
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Oh it's First !
I'm excited.
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On February 25 2013 19:15 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 19:13 Alak wrote: Is the gas usage such that the zerg has to choose between vipers and infestors? It seems like a few infestors might've been useful there.
Entertaining game though! Fairly significant damage reduction against marauders, and there wasn't enough gas to produce infestor hydra roach viper.
That's what I thought. The thought was that the fungal damage is just a bonus, the real thing would be to fungal units under a blinding cloud, giving the hydras some breathing room to go for the mines/medivacs. It's all just theory though, so it might not be worth it and as you say, not enough gas.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51335 Posts
On February 25 2013 19:21 Elite_ wrote:HotS experience 50 = random number Hirai (Coach) gave First.
Ohhhh lmao xD Random ftw
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On February 25 2013 19:18 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 19:16 ETisME wrote:On February 25 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:On February 25 2013 19:13 sitromit wrote: Finally someone shows a glimpse of how Widow Mines can be abused. Now until someone takes out an entire tier 3 army by rushing in with 30 mines. Abused? Ragnarok could have killed them as hydras outrange all of them. with widow mine burrow speed, the fast bio widow mine push don't let you reach them to kill the widow mines If you can't reach them to attack them (that means they're not in your range) then they can't hit you either. He cloud have clouded the ramp and then focused the mines at the end, not that the mines did anything, he just didn't use cloud and lost all his units to bio. He did use cloud earlier. The reason he didn't use it at the very end is because he didn't have the energy for it, which is why he almost ate his hatchery to death. Outside of the situation you're talking about, it's hard to target fire widow mines cost efficiently if you have MMM already attacking your hydras, which are fragile units to begin with.
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Austria24413 Posts
On February 25 2013 19:21 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 19:17 sitromit wrote:On February 25 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:On February 25 2013 19:13 sitromit wrote: Finally someone shows a glimpse of how Widow Mines can be abused. Now until someone takes out an entire tier 3 army by rushing in with 30 mines. Abused? Ragnarok could have killed them as hydras outrange all of them. Widow Mines have low target priority. How is he supposed to target fire all those mines while he's being attacked with a bio army? gosh, micro. who'd've thought!
So cynical, lol. Zergs ain't used to microing things, give them some time!
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On February 25 2013 19:20 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 19:17 blade55555 wrote:On February 25 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:On February 25 2013 19:13 sitromit wrote: Finally someone shows a glimpse of how Widow Mines can be abused. Now until someone takes out an entire tier 3 army by rushing in with 30 mines. Abused? Ragnarok could have killed them as hydras outrange all of them. Ah yes your right he should have focused the widow mines down with hydras and kept the roaches in back so that they dont' trigger the mines all while the MMM ball is firing as well. Thanks for writing down my thoughts <3. People always talk like zergs are bad if they get hit by widow mines but at some point you have to engage and you can't bait or focus widow mines when they are with a bio army.
cast fungal, kill widow mines. Fyi you can also abduct widow mines, you could also charge in 1-2 overlords before sending your lings in. Remember widow mines also friendly fires, so if you get there fast enough on creep it can go with your favor
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Lifes Incredible Miracle First?
You heard it here first.
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Over time, widow mine usage like Ganzi's will become less effective as zergs grow in skill against the unit. BW protoss could defensively micro against spider mines. You even saw focus firing against spider mines after they popped and moved to explode which is considerably harder than targeting widow mines.
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On February 25 2013 19:22 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 19:21 opterown wrote:On February 25 2013 19:17 sitromit wrote:On February 25 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:On February 25 2013 19:13 sitromit wrote: Finally someone shows a glimpse of how Widow Mines can be abused. Now until someone takes out an entire tier 3 army by rushing in with 30 mines. Abused? Ragnarok could have killed them as hydras outrange all of them. Widow Mines have low target priority. How is he supposed to target fire all those mines while he's being attacked with a bio army? gosh, micro. who'd've thought! So cynical, lol. Zergs ain't used to microing things, give them some time!
i want to force you two to play 100 hots games as zerg vs t and p then come back
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So that's how SNM and Whiplash looks like.
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On February 25 2013 19:21 sitromit wrote: By the way, I'm not theorycrafting about using 20-30 mines to blow up an entire army. People are actually doing this on the ladder. With Drilling Claws, they can run straight into the army, burrow them instantly, and they all fire. They do enough single target damage to one-shot most units, so with smart fire and the splash on top, they one shot an army.
Yes. I think it will come down to how many mines the zerg eats. Of course, avoiding them 100% is impossible. But eating 100% of them will also make you lose. As for what percentage, it will depend on your comp and spread.
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