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On February 21 2013 07:58 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 07:56 Ace Frehley wrote:On February 21 2013 07:55 Undead1993 wrote:On February 21 2013 07:47 archonOOid wrote: Looks like hots zvp is quite refreshing as opposed to the stale meta game in wings. well i dont think its a wol's mistakes when people just turtle to bl infestor, i think you could do very good things in wol like we saw by flying against stephano in game 3 there were always builds that where exciting, but people just liked it the way it was, i dont know why though. Why bother with the entertainment of the viewers, if there are boring and easier ways to win? Boxer said it was the responsibility of the players to entertain the audience, but I think that kind of mentality works better in proleague games early in the season. :p
I guess he forgot that when he 3-bunker-rushed yellow :D
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why noone votes in recomendations ? when watching vods it's nice to see how the game was rated, not to end up watching eg. 3 blind counters in a row
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On February 21 2013 07:56 Ace Frehley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 07:55 Undead1993 wrote:On February 21 2013 07:47 archonOOid wrote: Looks like hots zvp is quite refreshing as opposed to the stale meta game in wings. well i dont think its a wol's mistakes when people just turtle to bl infestor, i think you could do very good things in wol like we saw by flying against stephano in game 3 there were always builds that where exciting, but people just liked it the way it was, i dont know why though. Why bother with the entertainment of the viewers, if there are boring and easier ways to win? well people who entertained got more fans, for example huk, idra or mc and nowadays life. well, they lost quite a lot. (except life) huk with his mothership build gained a lot of fans i believe even though he lost the game. i dont know i mean i would rather support huk or mc than sniper with his more of a boring playstyle, even though he is more succesful
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On February 21 2013 08:00 Ace Frehley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 07:58 Grumbels wrote:On February 21 2013 07:56 Ace Frehley wrote:On February 21 2013 07:55 Undead1993 wrote:On February 21 2013 07:47 archonOOid wrote: Looks like hots zvp is quite refreshing as opposed to the stale meta game in wings. well i dont think its a wol's mistakes when people just turtle to bl infestor, i think you could do very good things in wol like we saw by flying against stephano in game 3 there were always builds that where exciting, but people just liked it the way it was, i dont know why though. Why bother with the entertainment of the viewers, if there are boring and easier ways to win? Boxer said it was the responsibility of the players to entertain the audience, but I think that kind of mentality works better in proleague games early in the season. :p I guess he forgot that when he 3-bunker-rushed yellow :D The best way to entertain the fans is to crush your opponent for them.
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On February 21 2013 07:58 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 07:56 Ace Frehley wrote:On February 21 2013 07:55 Undead1993 wrote:On February 21 2013 07:47 archonOOid wrote: Looks like hots zvp is quite refreshing as opposed to the stale meta game in wings. well i dont think its a wol's mistakes when people just turtle to bl infestor, i think you could do very good things in wol like we saw by flying against stephano in game 3 there were always builds that where exciting, but people just liked it the way it was, i dont know why though. Why bother with the entertainment of the viewers, if there are boring and easier ways to win? Boxer said it was the responsibility of the players to entertain the audience, but I think that kind of mentality works better in proleague games early in the season. :p
It also works better when players have good salaries and don't rely so much on tournament winnings.
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On February 21 2013 08:02 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 07:56 Ace Frehley wrote:On February 21 2013 07:55 Undead1993 wrote:On February 21 2013 07:47 archonOOid wrote: Looks like hots zvp is quite refreshing as opposed to the stale meta game in wings. well i dont think its a wol's mistakes when people just turtle to bl infestor, i think you could do very good things in wol like we saw by flying against stephano in game 3 there were always builds that where exciting, but people just liked it the way it was, i dont know why though. Why bother with the entertainment of the viewers, if there are boring and easier ways to win? well people who entertained got more fans, for example huk, idra or mc and nowadays life. well, they lost quite a lot. (except life) huk with his mothership build gained a lot of fans i believe even though he lost the game. i dont know i mean i would rather support huk or mc than sniper with his more of a boring playstyle, even though he is more succesful
Yes, but a lot of pro-gamers would rather a pocket full of money than a pocket full of fans.
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On February 21 2013 08:01 Vertitto wrote: why noone votes in recomendations ? when watching vods it's nice to see how the game was rated, not to end up watching eg. 3 blind counters in a row
Good point.
For easy access:
Game 1 + Show Spoiler +Poll: Recommend Sniper vs Seed Game 1?No (5) 56% Yes (4) 44% 9 total votes Your vote: Recommend Sniper vs Seed Game 1? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No
Game 2 + Show Spoiler +Poll: Recommend Sniper vs Seed Game 2?Yes (12) 92% No (1) 8% 13 total votes Your vote: Recommend Sniper vs Seed Game 2? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No
Game 3 + Show Spoiler +Poll: Recommend Sniper vs Seed Game 3?No (10) 91% Yes (1) 9% 11 total votes Your vote: Recommend Sniper vs Seed Game 3? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No
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On February 21 2013 08:03 MCXD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 08:02 Undead1993 wrote:On February 21 2013 07:56 Ace Frehley wrote:On February 21 2013 07:55 Undead1993 wrote:On February 21 2013 07:47 archonOOid wrote: Looks like hots zvp is quite refreshing as opposed to the stale meta game in wings. well i dont think its a wol's mistakes when people just turtle to bl infestor, i think you could do very good things in wol like we saw by flying against stephano in game 3 there were always builds that where exciting, but people just liked it the way it was, i dont know why though. Why bother with the entertainment of the viewers, if there are boring and easier ways to win? well people who entertained got more fans, for example huk, idra or mc and nowadays life. well, they lost quite a lot. (except life) huk with his mothership build gained a lot of fans i believe even though he lost the game. i dont know i mean i would rather support huk or mc than sniper with his more of a boring playstyle, even though he is more succesful Yes, but a lot of pro-gamers would rather a pocket full of money than a pocket full of fans. sure, but with fans comes hype and with hype comes money in the form of new contracts but yeah you are quite right.
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is hots really balanced at all? This looks ridicolous lol. Like 22 drones die in like 2-3 seconds to the oracles. And the spore just instantly died + queen xD
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On February 21 2013 08:02 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 07:56 Ace Frehley wrote:On February 21 2013 07:55 Undead1993 wrote:On February 21 2013 07:47 archonOOid wrote: Looks like hots zvp is quite refreshing as opposed to the stale meta game in wings. well i dont think its a wol's mistakes when people just turtle to bl infestor, i think you could do very good things in wol like we saw by flying against stephano in game 3 there were always builds that where exciting, but people just liked it the way it was, i dont know why though. Why bother with the entertainment of the viewers, if there are boring and easier ways to win? well people who entertained got more fans, for example huk, idra or mc and nowadays life. well, they lost quite a lot. (except life) huk with his mothership build gained a lot of fans i believe even though he lost the game. i dont know i mean i would rather support huk or mc than sniper with his more of a boring playstyle, even though he is more succesful
You can't be sure your shenanigans will earn you fans. And the primary goal of a competitor is to win. It's foolish to willingly give up on the strategy that can give you easier wins.
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On February 21 2013 08:09 sertas wrote: is hots really balanced at all? This looks ridicolous lol. Like 22 drones die in like 2-3 seconds to the oracles. And the spore just instantly died + queen xD there were 5 oracles you know and itsn ormal taht they do damage considering the costs and barely no preparation by sniper
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GG! Well played!!! Expected this result. Recommend Game 4?
Game 4 Poll: + Show Spoiler +Poll: Recommend Sniper vs Seed Game 4?Yes (5) 50% No (5) 50% 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend Sniper vs Seed Game 4? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No
Game 5 Poll: - Vote here too to keep the OP spoiler free. + Show Spoiler +Poll: Recommend Sniper vs Seed Game 5?Yes (4) 50% No (4) 50% 8 total votes Your vote: Recommend Sniper vs Seed Game 5? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No
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On February 21 2013 08:09 sertas wrote: is hots really balanced at all? This looks ridicolous lol. Like 22 drones die in like 2-3 seconds to the oracles. And the spore just instantly died + queen xD
Let's see and give the meta game a little longer.
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On February 21 2013 08:13 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 08:09 sertas wrote: is hots really balanced at all? This looks ridicolous lol. Like 22 drones die in like 2-3 seconds to the oracles. And the spore just instantly died + queen xD Let's see and give the meta game a little longer.
Yeah, oracles seem ridiculous now. But there hasn't been any time to learn usual proxy locations, timings, spore placements and timings, drone micro, etc.
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On February 21 2013 08:09 sertas wrote: is hots really balanced at all? This looks ridicolous lol. Like 22 drones die in like 2-3 seconds to the oracles. And the spore just instantly died + queen xD
no it's absolutely not. and anyone who is arguing about that, is either biased as hell towards terran/protoss or has no idea what he's talking about. But a huge factor might be, that we play on WoL maps right now. I think it HotS maps need to be way more open, to create better chances for zerg to surround. in the last game, sniper hat nearly no chance to make a good flank move happen onto seeds army, and that might've been the reason, he had no chance to hold.
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On February 21 2013 08:09 sertas wrote: is hots really balanced at all? This looks ridicolous lol. Like 22 drones die in like 2-3 seconds to the oracles. And the spore just instantly died + queen xD double proxy stargate and 5 oracles... if Sniper figured it out he could have easily smashed it and Seed would have been absolutely dead. 2-3 spores and a queen wipe that out and then it's GG, you just have to scout it or scout your opponents base.
Sniper should have known something was up, he had a overlord spying on the front of the base, saw the third gas and that the gateway wasn't a warpgate yet(Was super delayed because of star gate investment.) Scouting has become extremely important in HotS.. It was risky to not scout in WoL it's suicidal to not scout in HotS.
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can the results please show overall results? i do not wish to click on 4 spoilers per match
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On February 21 2013 08:14 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 08:13 Bagration wrote:On February 21 2013 08:09 sertas wrote: is hots really balanced at all? This looks ridicolous lol. Like 22 drones die in like 2-3 seconds to the oracles. And the spore just instantly died + queen xD Let's see and give the meta game a little longer. Yeah, oracles seem ridiculous now. But there hasn't been any time to learn usual proxy locations, timings, spore placements and timings, drone micro, etc. That one seems hard given they die in 2 seconds.
From what i've seen Zerg is probably underpowered atm, it's what you read in every korean interview as well (even though some of them of course haven't played HotS enough). Not sure about the balance between the other races though.
Given that Terran is the race that always were only really good in hands of the top koreans i guess it's natural they're pretty OP at the moment given that those haven't played enough to see how imba Terrans are in their hands.
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