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[MLG] Sniper vs Seed - Dallas Qualifier Day 14

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Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States248 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 23:13:35
February 20 2013 18:09 GMT
#1
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During the MLG Winter Season Showdowns, 56 of the world's best StarCraft II players will compete in Heart of the Swarm. Each player will compete in 1 best-of-5 Showdown Match, with each winner receiving a paid trip to compete in the MLG Winter Championship. Tune in and watch every match in FREE 1080p HD at www.majorleaguegaming.com and on Twitch.TV.

(Wiki)2013 MLG Winter Championship/Showdowns

Schedule/VODS
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Parting vs FanTaSy - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
RorO vs herO - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Innovation vs TY - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Soulkey vs Last - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Rain vs Flying - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Sase vs Snute - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Nerchio vs BabyKnight - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Stephano vs Titan - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Mana vs Bly - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Socke vs Thorzain - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Ret vs Feast - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Creator vs Nestea - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Mvp vs Curious - Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5
Wednesday, Feb 20 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Sniper vs Seed
Thursday, Feb 21 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) MKP vs Gumiho
Friday, Feb 22 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) DRG vs Jjakji
Sunday, Feb 24 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) MC vs Alive
Monday, Feb 25 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Taeja vs Violet
Tuesday, Feb 26 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Hero vs Polt
Wednesday, Feb 27 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Sen vs Moonglade
Thursday, Feb 28 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Grubby vs. Dimaga


Tonight's match:
(Z)Sniper vs (P)Seed


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Results
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Game 1
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Map: Neo Bifrost
Winner: Seed


Game 2
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Map: Daybreak
Winner: Sniper


Game 3
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Map: Korhal City
Winner: Seed


Game 4 (if necessary)
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Map: Whirlwind
Winner: Seed


Game 5 (if necessary)
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Map: Not Needed Seed won 3-1
Winner:



Recommended Games
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Poll: Recommend Sniper vs Seed Game 1?

No (5)
 
56%

Yes (4)
 
44%

9 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Sniper vs Seed Game 1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



Poll: Recommend Sniper vs Seed Game 2?

Yes (12)
 
92%

No (1)
 
8%

13 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Sniper vs Seed Game 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



Poll: Recommend Sniper vs Seed Game 3?

No (10)
 
91%

Yes (1)
 
9%

11 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Sniper vs Seed Game 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



Poll: Recommend Sniper vs Seed Game 4?

Yes (5)
 
50%

No (5)
 
50%

10 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Sniper vs Seed Game 4?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



Poll: Recommend Sniper vs Seed Game 5?

Yes (4)
 
50%

No (4)
 
50%

8 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Sniper vs Seed Game 5?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No




Rules of Engagement
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Sniper vs Seed will be analyzed following the MKP vs Gumiho match on Thursday, Feb 21 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)


Map Pool
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Akilon Wastes
Bifrost
Cloud Kingdom
Daybreak
Entombed Valley
Korhal City
Newkirk City
Ohana
Planet S
Star Station
Whirlwind

Note: In each Winter Season Showdown match, both Players will veto three Maps.


Format
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Invite-Only online matches; Winner takes all, Best of five games


Prize
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The 28 winners will receive placement at the Winter Championship in Dallas from March 15-17 where they will compete with Life, Leenock, Flash and Bomber.


Currently Qualified
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(T)Flash - Top 4 2012 MLG Fall Championship
(Z)Leenock - Top 4 2012 MLG Fall Championship
(Z)Life
- Top 4 2012 MLG Fall Championship
(T)Bomber
- Top 4 2012 MLG Fall Championship
(P)PartinG - Defeated (T)FanTaSy
(P)herO[jOin] - Defeated (Z)RorO
(T)INnoVation - Defeated (T)TY
(T)Last - Defeated (Z)Soulkey
(P)Rain - Defeated (P)Flying
(P)SaSe - Defeated (Z)Snute
(P)BabyKnight - Defeated (Z)Nerchio
(Z)Stephano - Defeated (P)TitaN
(Z)Bly - Defeated (P)MaNa
(T)ThorZaIN - Defeated (P)Socke
(Z)Ret - Defeated (P)Feast
(P)Creator - Defeated (Z)NesTea
(T)Mvp - Defeated (Z)Curious


JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
February 20 2013 18:11 GMT
#2
Go Seed!
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
February 20 2013 18:12 GMT
#3
Seedu fighting
deblimp
Profile Joined July 2012
United States20 Posts
February 20 2013 19:23 GMT
#4
Lets go sniper! Some more zergs definitely need to qualify.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 20 2013 20:07 GMT
#5
On one hand, I want more Zergs at MLG

on the other hand, Life only ever (except that one time -.-) gets eliminated by Zergs, so it'd be great if MLG was all T/P. I guess I'll cheer for Seed - he's a pretty cool guy anyway.
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ClairvoyanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
United States758 Posts
February 20 2013 20:12 GMT
#6
Sniper probably didn't practice much HotS. I can see Seed winning this convincingly.
lykkekage
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark107 Posts
February 20 2013 20:49 GMT
#7
Seed has played a lot of HOTS, while Sniper is still in the GSL. I think Seed is a big favorite here. Unless Sniper is suddenly superman
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
February 20 2013 21:09 GMT
#8
Seeeedu. He should have this, playing exclusively HotS as he has been.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 20 2013 21:57 GMT
#9
Seed should have this since he's been full time HoTS for a while right? Isn't he supposed to be one of the best HoTS players on the ladder?
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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
February 20 2013 22:05 GMT
#10
Seed isn't popular enough for Sniper to win.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
February 20 2013 22:11 GMT
#11
On February 21 2013 07:05 Ghanburighan wrote:
Seed isn't popular enough for Sniper to win.


Seed plays with the SKMC clan tag, should be enough for sniper
Terran & Potato Salad.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
February 20 2013 22:11 GMT
#12
Wut Sniper. Why didn't you scout. Why didn't you pull away your drones?
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
February 20 2013 22:17 GMT
#13
GG. Game 1 went as expected.
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Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
February 20 2013 22:17 GMT
#14
Well that was terrible
Terran & Potato Salad.
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 22:21:32
February 20 2013 22:18 GMT
#15
sniper looked like he didn't even know what the oracle did..just seems like another invited player who hasn't been playing hots almost at all. i'm sure there are good reasons, probably because he's still practicing for GSL and just doesn't see this tourney as a priority. I just feel like MLG dropped the ball on the invites, it seems like a substantial percentage of their invites haven't been playing HotS much, many of which could likely have been foreseen to be too busy for HotS beta practice.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 22:30:42
February 20 2013 22:22 GMT
#16
On February 21 2013 07:18 Zelniq wrote:
sniper looked like he didn't even know what the oracle did..just seems like another invited player who hasn't been playing hots almost at all. i'm sure there are good reasons, probably because he's still practicing for GSL and just doesn't see this tourney as a priority. I just feel like MLG dropped the ball on the invites, it seems like a substantial percentage of their invites haven't been playing HotS much, many of which could likely have been foreseen to be too busy for HotS beta practice.

I believe Sniper vs Seed was the same day as Creator vs NesTea which was on Feb 13, the same day Sniper played Maru in Code A. If it was on the same day as Mvp vs Curious then it was on Feb 12. All the esf Korean games were on those 2 days I'm pretty sure.

The problem was they did their invites based off WoL results without taking into account who would still be playing in WoL tournaments. It makes sense to send Sniper an invite as a GSL champion and a high finish at IPL5 if you just look at that, but since he's still playing in the GSL it will obviously take away from his ability to practice HoTS leading to a lower quality of games.
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Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
February 20 2013 22:32 GMT
#17
dem storms
...
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 22:37:59
February 20 2013 22:33 GMT
#18
Worst FF this year. Didn't matter though, the nexus cannon is pretty good...

Seed attempts to throw the game away again by attacking with stalker +4 templar+1 archon down a lot of supply against an equal base zerg. WHYYYYYYy
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
February 20 2013 22:38 GMT
#19
"Decent splitting by sniper" WHERE WHERE o.o
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
February 20 2013 22:38 GMT
#20
I must say, with a few exceptions I am quite impressed with HotS so far. Perhaps it's just the hype of novelty, but games seem to be more exciting on average.
Now I'm just hoping they'll fix the few truly wonky things (hellbats and zerg early game defense), and perhaps improve the distribution of spells among new protoss units (I don't like the focus on the MC).
Talionis
Profile Joined November 2010
Scotland4085 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 22:44:44
February 20 2013 22:43 GMT
#21
Just tuned in. Didn't see the first part of the game, but it looks like a really cool one.

Yeah, that was awesome.
xmungam
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1050 Posts
February 20 2013 22:44 GMT
#22
DAMN
youtube.com/xmungam ~~ twitch.tv/thenessman
dani`
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands2402 Posts
February 20 2013 22:44 GMT
#23
Sick game on Daybreak
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
February 20 2013 22:44 GMT
#24
Sloppy but cool game.
Terran & Potato Salad.
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
February 20 2013 22:44 GMT
#25
wow, just tuned in, but it seems like sniper is showing zerg players how to play HotS. Very impressive so far.
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
February 20 2013 22:45 GMT
#26
That was a really good and entertaining game.
Hoping for another great game on map 3.
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JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
February 20 2013 22:45 GMT
#27
On February 21 2013 07:44 TeeTS wrote:
wow, just tuned in, but it seems like sniper is showing zerg players how to play HotS. Very impressive so far.


His first game wasn't very good.
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Daigoro
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany251 Posts
February 20 2013 22:45 GMT
#28
That was really fun to watch... both players will make it hard for me to switch to the playstation event.
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3546 Posts
February 20 2013 22:46 GMT
#29
On February 21 2013 07:44 TeeTS wrote:
wow, just tuned in, but it seems like sniper is showing zerg players how to play HotS. Very impressive so far.

Well Seed's build was really bad, fast third and fast storm is so greedy.
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Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8524 Posts
February 20 2013 22:46 GMT
#30
Even though I just saw the end of the game, it seemed pretty badass. Nice new unit compositions owning it up
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
February 20 2013 22:46 GMT
#31
On February 21 2013 07:46 goswser wrote:
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On February 21 2013 07:44 TeeTS wrote:
wow, just tuned in, but it seems like sniper is showing zerg players how to play HotS. Very impressive so far.

Well Seed's build was really bad, fast third and fast storm is so greedy.


zzzzz
Terran & Potato Salad.
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
February 20 2013 22:47 GMT
#32
Looks like hots zvp is quite refreshing as opposed to the stale meta game in wings.
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JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
February 20 2013 22:49 GMT
#33
That Harlem shake thing was horrible.
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JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
February 20 2013 22:51 GMT
#34
I expect Seed to take game 3.
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deblimp
Profile Joined July 2012
United States20 Posts
February 20 2013 22:53 GMT
#35
On February 21 2013 07:49 JOJOsc2news wrote:
That Harlem shake thing was horrible.

I was waiting for them to start dancing.....
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
February 20 2013 22:54 GMT
#36
On February 21 2013 07:53 deblimp wrote:
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On February 21 2013 07:49 JOJOsc2news wrote:
That Harlem shake thing was horrible.

I was waiting for them to start dancing.....


Haha... that could have been funny. :D
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Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 22:56:32
February 20 2013 22:55 GMT
#37
On February 21 2013 07:47 archonOOid wrote:
Looks like hots zvp is quite refreshing as opposed to the stale meta game in wings.

well i dont think its a wol's mistake when people just turtle to bl infestor, i think you could do very good things in wol like we saw by flying against stephano in game 3 there were always builds that where exciting, but people just liked it the way it was, i dont know why though.
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
February 20 2013 22:56 GMT
#38
Did Sniper target fire zealots with lings?
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
February 20 2013 22:56 GMT
#39
On February 21 2013 07:55 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 07:47 archonOOid wrote:
Looks like hots zvp is quite refreshing as opposed to the stale meta game in wings.

well i dont think its a wol's mistakes when people just turtle to bl infestor, i think you could do very good things in wol like we saw by flying against stephano in game 3 there were always builds that where exciting, but people just liked it the way it was, i dont know why though.


Why bother with the entertainment of the viewers, if there are boring and easier ways to win?
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
February 20 2013 22:58 GMT
#40
On February 21 2013 07:56 Ace Frehley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 07:55 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 21 2013 07:47 archonOOid wrote:
Looks like hots zvp is quite refreshing as opposed to the stale meta game in wings.

well i dont think its a wol's mistakes when people just turtle to bl infestor, i think you could do very good things in wol like we saw by flying against stephano in game 3 there were always builds that where exciting, but people just liked it the way it was, i dont know why though.


Why bother with the entertainment of the viewers, if there are boring and easier ways to win?

Boxer said it was the responsibility of the players to entertain the audience, but I think that kind of mentality works better in proleague games early in the season. :p
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Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
February 20 2013 23:00 GMT
#41
On February 21 2013 07:58 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 07:56 Ace Frehley wrote:
On February 21 2013 07:55 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 21 2013 07:47 archonOOid wrote:
Looks like hots zvp is quite refreshing as opposed to the stale meta game in wings.

well i dont think its a wol's mistakes when people just turtle to bl infestor, i think you could do very good things in wol like we saw by flying against stephano in game 3 there were always builds that where exciting, but people just liked it the way it was, i dont know why though.


Why bother with the entertainment of the viewers, if there are boring and easier ways to win?

Boxer said it was the responsibility of the players to entertain the audience, but I think that kind of mentality works better in proleague games early in the season. :p


I guess he forgot that when he 3-bunker-rushed yellow :D
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Vertitto
Profile Joined January 2012
Poland750 Posts
February 20 2013 23:01 GMT
#42
why noone votes in recomendations ? when watching vods it's nice to see how the game was rated, not to end up watching eg. 3 blind counters in a row
FISH MAKE BLUB BLUB
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
February 20 2013 23:02 GMT
#43
On February 21 2013 07:56 Ace Frehley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 07:55 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 21 2013 07:47 archonOOid wrote:
Looks like hots zvp is quite refreshing as opposed to the stale meta game in wings.

well i dont think its a wol's mistakes when people just turtle to bl infestor, i think you could do very good things in wol like we saw by flying against stephano in game 3 there were always builds that where exciting, but people just liked it the way it was, i dont know why though.


Why bother with the entertainment of the viewers, if there are boring and easier ways to win?

well people who entertained got more fans, for example huk, idra or mc and nowadays life. well, they lost quite a lot. (except life) huk with his mothership build gained a lot of fans i believe even though he lost the game. i dont know i mean i would rather support huk or mc than sniper with his more of a boring playstyle, even though he is more succesful
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
February 20 2013 23:02 GMT
#44
On February 21 2013 08:00 Ace Frehley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 07:58 Grumbels wrote:
On February 21 2013 07:56 Ace Frehley wrote:
On February 21 2013 07:55 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 21 2013 07:47 archonOOid wrote:
Looks like hots zvp is quite refreshing as opposed to the stale meta game in wings.

well i dont think its a wol's mistakes when people just turtle to bl infestor, i think you could do very good things in wol like we saw by flying against stephano in game 3 there were always builds that where exciting, but people just liked it the way it was, i dont know why though.


Why bother with the entertainment of the viewers, if there are boring and easier ways to win?

Boxer said it was the responsibility of the players to entertain the audience, but I think that kind of mentality works better in proleague games early in the season. :p


I guess he forgot that when he 3-bunker-rushed yellow :D

The best way to entertain the fans is to crush your opponent for them.
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Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
February 20 2013 23:03 GMT
#45
On February 21 2013 07:58 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 07:56 Ace Frehley wrote:
On February 21 2013 07:55 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 21 2013 07:47 archonOOid wrote:
Looks like hots zvp is quite refreshing as opposed to the stale meta game in wings.

well i dont think its a wol's mistakes when people just turtle to bl infestor, i think you could do very good things in wol like we saw by flying against stephano in game 3 there were always builds that where exciting, but people just liked it the way it was, i dont know why though.


Why bother with the entertainment of the viewers, if there are boring and easier ways to win?

Boxer said it was the responsibility of the players to entertain the audience, but I think that kind of mentality works better in proleague games early in the season. :p


It also works better when players have good salaries and don't rely so much on tournament winnings.
Terran & Potato Salad.
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 23:04:50
February 20 2013 23:03 GMT
#46
On February 21 2013 08:02 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 07:56 Ace Frehley wrote:
On February 21 2013 07:55 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 21 2013 07:47 archonOOid wrote:
Looks like hots zvp is quite refreshing as opposed to the stale meta game in wings.

well i dont think its a wol's mistakes when people just turtle to bl infestor, i think you could do very good things in wol like we saw by flying against stephano in game 3 there were always builds that where exciting, but people just liked it the way it was, i dont know why though.


Why bother with the entertainment of the viewers, if there are boring and easier ways to win?

well people who entertained got more fans, for example huk, idra or mc and nowadays life. well, they lost quite a lot. (except life) huk with his mothership build gained a lot of fans i believe even though he lost the game. i dont know i mean i would rather support huk or mc than sniper with his more of a boring playstyle, even though he is more succesful


Yes, but a lot of pro-gamers would rather a pocket full of money than a pocket full of fans.
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
February 20 2013 23:04 GMT
#47
On February 21 2013 08:01 Vertitto wrote:
why noone votes in recomendations ? when watching vods it's nice to see how the game was rated, not to end up watching eg. 3 blind counters in a row


Good point.

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Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
February 20 2013 23:06 GMT
#48
On February 21 2013 08:03 MCXD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 08:02 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 21 2013 07:56 Ace Frehley wrote:
On February 21 2013 07:55 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 21 2013 07:47 archonOOid wrote:
Looks like hots zvp is quite refreshing as opposed to the stale meta game in wings.

well i dont think its a wol's mistakes when people just turtle to bl infestor, i think you could do very good things in wol like we saw by flying against stephano in game 3 there were always builds that where exciting, but people just liked it the way it was, i dont know why though.


Why bother with the entertainment of the viewers, if there are boring and easier ways to win?

well people who entertained got more fans, for example huk, idra or mc and nowadays life. well, they lost quite a lot. (except life) huk with his mothership build gained a lot of fans i believe even though he lost the game. i dont know i mean i would rather support huk or mc than sniper with his more of a boring playstyle, even though he is more succesful


Yes, but a lot of pro-gamers would rather a pocket full of money than a pocket full of fans.

sure, but with fans comes hype and with hype comes money in the form of new contracts but yeah you are quite right.
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sertas
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden887 Posts
February 20 2013 23:09 GMT
#49
is hots really balanced at all? This looks ridicolous lol. Like 22 drones die in like 2-3 seconds to the oracles. And the spore just instantly died + queen xD
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
February 20 2013 23:10 GMT
#50
On February 21 2013 08:02 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 07:56 Ace Frehley wrote:
On February 21 2013 07:55 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 21 2013 07:47 archonOOid wrote:
Looks like hots zvp is quite refreshing as opposed to the stale meta game in wings.

well i dont think its a wol's mistakes when people just turtle to bl infestor, i think you could do very good things in wol like we saw by flying against stephano in game 3 there were always builds that where exciting, but people just liked it the way it was, i dont know why though.


Why bother with the entertainment of the viewers, if there are boring and easier ways to win?

well people who entertained got more fans, for example huk, idra or mc and nowadays life. well, they lost quite a lot. (except life) huk with his mothership build gained a lot of fans i believe even though he lost the game. i dont know i mean i would rather support huk or mc than sniper with his more of a boring playstyle, even though he is more succesful


You can't be sure your shenanigans will earn you fans. And the primary goal of a competitor is to win.
It's foolish to willingly give up on the strategy that can give you easier wins.


...
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
February 20 2013 23:10 GMT
#51
On February 21 2013 08:09 sertas wrote:
is hots really balanced at all? This looks ridicolous lol. Like 22 drones die in like 2-3 seconds to the oracles. And the spore just instantly died + queen xD

there were 5 oracles you know and itsn ormal taht they do damage considering the costs and barely no preparation by sniper
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
February 20 2013 23:12 GMT
#52
GG! Well played!!! Expected this result.
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Last Edited: 2013-02-20 23:12:39
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#53
Edit: Ninja'd
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 20 2013 23:13 GMT
#54
On February 21 2013 08:09 sertas wrote:
is hots really balanced at all? This looks ridicolous lol. Like 22 drones die in like 2-3 seconds to the oracles. And the spore just instantly died + queen xD


Let's see and give the meta game a little longer.
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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
February 20 2013 23:14 GMT
#55
On February 21 2013 08:13 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 08:09 sertas wrote:
is hots really balanced at all? This looks ridicolous lol. Like 22 drones die in like 2-3 seconds to the oracles. And the spore just instantly died + queen xD


Let's see and give the meta game a little longer.


Yeah, oracles seem ridiculous now. But there hasn't been any time to learn usual proxy locations, timings, spore placements and timings, drone micro, etc.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
February 20 2013 23:14 GMT
#56
On February 21 2013 08:09 sertas wrote:
is hots really balanced at all? This looks ridicolous lol. Like 22 drones die in like 2-3 seconds to the oracles. And the spore just instantly died + queen xD


no it's absolutely not. and anyone who is arguing about that, is either biased as hell towards terran/protoss or has no idea what he's talking about.
But a huge factor might be, that we play on WoL maps right now. I think it HotS maps need to be way more open, to create better chances for zerg to surround. in the last game, sniper hat nearly no chance to make a good flank move happen onto seeds army, and that might've been the reason, he had no chance to hold.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
February 20 2013 23:17 GMT
#57
On February 21 2013 08:09 sertas wrote:
is hots really balanced at all? This looks ridicolous lol. Like 22 drones die in like 2-3 seconds to the oracles. And the spore just instantly died + queen xD

double proxy stargate and 5 oracles... if Sniper figured it out he could have easily smashed it and Seed would have been absolutely dead. 2-3 spores and a queen wipe that out and then it's GG, you just have to scout it or scout your opponents base.

Sniper should have known something was up, he had a overlord spying on the front of the base, saw the third gas and that the gateway wasn't a warpgate yet(Was super delayed because of star gate investment.) Scouting has become extremely important in HotS.. It was risky to not scout in WoL it's suicidal to not scout in HotS.
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ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
February 20 2013 23:17 GMT
#58
can the results please show overall results? i do not wish to click on 4 spoilers per match
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Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
February 20 2013 23:19 GMT
#59
Good work Seed!!
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
February 20 2013 23:19 GMT
#60
On February 21 2013 08:14 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 08:13 Bagration wrote:
On February 21 2013 08:09 sertas wrote:
is hots really balanced at all? This looks ridicolous lol. Like 22 drones die in like 2-3 seconds to the oracles. And the spore just instantly died + queen xD


Let's see and give the meta game a little longer.


Yeah, oracles seem ridiculous now. But there hasn't been any time to learn usual proxy locations, timings, spore placements and timings, drone micro, etc.

That one seems hard given they die in 2 seconds.

From what i've seen Zerg is probably underpowered atm, it's what you read in every korean interview as well (even though some of them of course haven't played HotS enough). Not sure about the balance between the other races though.

Given that Terran is the race that always were only really good in hands of the top koreans i guess it's natural they're pretty OP at the moment given that those haven't played enough to see how imba Terrans are in their hands.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
February 20 2013 23:20 GMT
#61
On February 21 2013 08:17 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 08:09 sertas wrote:
is hots really balanced at all? This looks ridicolous lol. Like 22 drones die in like 2-3 seconds to the oracles. And the spore just instantly died + queen xD

double proxy stargate and 5 oracles... if Sniper figured it out he could have easily smashed it and Seed would have been absolutely dead. 2-3 spores and a queen wipe that out and then it's GG, you just have to scout it or scout your opponents base.

Sniper should have known something was up, he had a overlord spying on the front of the base, saw the third gas and that the gateway wasn't a warpgate yet(Was super delayed because of star gate investment.) Scouting has become extremely important in HotS.. It was risky to not scout in WoL it's suicidal to not scout in HotS.


Yeah, like that totally unscouted Nydus that went up in Babyknight's base against Nerchio, for example.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 23:25:28
February 20 2013 23:24 GMT
#62
On February 21 2013 08:19 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 08:14 Ghanburighan wrote:
On February 21 2013 08:13 Bagration wrote:
On February 21 2013 08:09 sertas wrote:
is hots really balanced at all? This looks ridicolous lol. Like 22 drones die in like 2-3 seconds to the oracles. And the spore just instantly died + queen xD


Let's see and give the meta game a little longer.


Yeah, oracles seem ridiculous now. But there hasn't been any time to learn usual proxy locations, timings, spore placements and timings, drone micro, etc.

That one seems hard given they die in 2 seconds.

From what i've seen Zerg is probably underpowered atm, it's what you read in every korean interview as well (even though some of them of course haven't played HotS enough). Not sure about the balance between the other races though.

Given that Terran is the race that always were only really good in hands of the top koreans i guess it's natural they're pretty OP at the moment given that those haven't played enough to see how imba Terrans are in their hands.

Zerg I don't think is under powered. Need more time to truly knew, but right now most of their losses seem to becoming from not adjusting to the new game properly. Zergs in WoL have it hard wired into them to turtle to hive when you just can't do that in HotS as effectively.

Once Zerg players properly adjust to the early game timings they wil lstart to discover how extremely powerful their mid game really is. Swam host Corruptor overseer is fucking devasting, Vipers blinding cloud is extremely strong, Mutalisks were always good but now they are even better. Hydra's with speed make early WoL roach hydra armies viable etc.

It's a tough transition from Zergs so it might take a while but I really don't think they are UP at all and I really hope Blizzard doesn't do what they did early in WoL and go crazy with the nerf hammer and buffs. Let the meta game sit for a little bit, players have to really figure out new timings and proper use of new abilties(Still see zergs use abduct more then blinding cloud -.- )

Of course this is all just my humble opinion and I'm just a forum rat and not an actual pro or anything.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 20 2013 23:26 GMT
#63
On February 21 2013 08:17 ThePlayer33 wrote:
can the results please show overall results? i do not wish to click on 4 spoilers per match

If you click on game 5 you'll always know the result. They write the overall score if the game wasn't needed or you see who won game 5
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
February 20 2013 23:27 GMT
#64
I just hope we can perhaps try to balance with maps before we neuter early aggression too hard again via the nerf bat.

WoL lost a lot of its appeal as things went further and further towards fast 3 base without pressure till well past 10mins.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
February 20 2013 23:30 GMT
#65
On February 21 2013 08:19 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 08:14 Ghanburighan wrote:
On February 21 2013 08:13 Bagration wrote:
On February 21 2013 08:09 sertas wrote:
is hots really balanced at all? This looks ridicolous lol. Like 22 drones die in like 2-3 seconds to the oracles. And the spore just instantly died + queen xD


Let's see and give the meta game a little longer.


Yeah, oracles seem ridiculous now. But there hasn't been any time to learn usual proxy locations, timings, spore placements and timings, drone micro, etc.

That one seems hard given they die in 2 seconds.

From what i've seen Zerg is probably underpowered atm, it's what you read in every korean interview as well (even though some of them of course haven't played HotS enough). Not sure about the balance between the other races though.

Given that Terran is the race that always were only really good in hands of the top koreans i guess it's natural they're pretty OP at the moment given that those haven't played enough to see how imba Terrans are in their hands.


Oracles aren't phoenix, though. They cannot fire while moving. Had Sniper moved all his drones while the spore was going down, he would have not lost all of them.

Also, did you just say that Terran is OP because we have not seen the likes of Innovation and Mvp play yet?
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 20 2013 23:34 GMT
#66
On February 21 2013 08:30 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 08:19 HolydaKing wrote:
On February 21 2013 08:14 Ghanburighan wrote:
On February 21 2013 08:13 Bagration wrote:
On February 21 2013 08:09 sertas wrote:
is hots really balanced at all? This looks ridicolous lol. Like 22 drones die in like 2-3 seconds to the oracles. And the spore just instantly died + queen xD


Let's see and give the meta game a little longer.


Yeah, oracles seem ridiculous now. But there hasn't been any time to learn usual proxy locations, timings, spore placements and timings, drone micro, etc.

That one seems hard given they die in 2 seconds.

From what i've seen Zerg is probably underpowered atm, it's what you read in every korean interview as well (even though some of them of course haven't played HotS enough). Not sure about the balance between the other races though.

Given that Terran is the race that always were only really good in hands of the top koreans i guess it's natural they're pretty OP at the moment given that those haven't played enough to see how imba Terrans are in their hands.


Oracles aren't phoenix, though. They cannot fire while moving. Had Sniper moved all his drones while the spore was going down, he would have not lost all of them.

Also, did you just say that Terran is OP because we have not seen the likes of Innovation and Mvp play yet?

Is it possible to counter with we don't know how good zerg is going to be because the best zergs haven't been eliminated form the WoL tournaments yet? There's like 10 zergs playing in IPL6 and pretty much all the best zergs still have GSL games to play
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Australia8759 Posts
February 20 2013 23:45 GMT
#67
If Seed steals the soul of the fun killer? Does he become a killer of fun also?

(Yay Seed!)
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Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 21 2013 00:01 GMT
#68
Yeeeeah, Seed!
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United Kingdom7161 Posts
February 21 2013 00:08 GMT
#69
Yay Seed! Go eyebrowtoss!
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 21 2013 01:20 GMT
#70
grats to seed!
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Profile Joined August 2011
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February 21 2013 03:00 GMT
#71
seed do workk sonnn
rip prime
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Profile Joined September 2012
1163 Posts
February 21 2013 08:25 GMT
#72
yea poor Sniper will be forgotten by the time HotS comes lol
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Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28090 Posts
February 21 2013 08:26 GMT
#73
GJ Seed.
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Profile Joined August 2010
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February 21 2013 08:30 GMT
#74
On February 21 2013 17:25 Inzan1ty wrote:
yea poor Sniper will be forgotten by the time HotS comes lol


he's made it to the up/down though and that was his master plan all along! o.o

now watch as he denies us many fan favorites for the first season of HotS code S

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samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
February 21 2013 09:16 GMT
#75
Yes Seed, well done sir !
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Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
February 21 2013 12:41 GMT
#76
If even Seed can win we know there's an isue here

Oh well grats to Seed.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
February 21 2013 13:30 GMT
#77
On February 21 2013 21:41 Lysanias wrote:
If even Seed can win we know there's an isue here

Oh well grats to Seed.


Well, it was against sniper.
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mambar
Profile Joined February 2012
United States841 Posts
February 21 2013 14:45 GMT
#78
On February 21 2013 22:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 21:41 Lysanias wrote:
If even Seed can win we know there's an isue here

Oh well grats to Seed.


Well, it was against sniper.

What does that even mean?
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
February 21 2013 14:59 GMT
#79
On February 21 2013 21:41 Lysanias wrote:
If even Seed can win we know there's an isue here

Oh well grats to Seed.

Are you trying to call Seed bad?
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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
February 22 2013 08:59 GMT
#80
On February 21 2013 23:59 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 21:41 Lysanias wrote:
If even Seed can win we know there's an isue here

Oh well grats to Seed.

Are you trying to call Seed bad?


Looking at his results after his GSL win yeah i would call him medicure at best.
Not that he's not talented, but i think he's just not playing to serieus atm.
Inzan1ty
Profile Joined September 2012
1163 Posts
February 22 2013 09:05 GMT
#81
well Sniper and Seed have one thing in common - GSL champions that nobody wanted
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