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Usual rules apply. Balance whine will be moderated harshly.
bsdaemon
Profile Joined July 2012
618 Posts
January 26 2013 19:05 GMT
#3241
Wait, NesTea already won the third place?
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
January 26 2013 19:06 GMT
#3242
On January 27 2013 03:56 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 03:55 LimitSEA wrote:
Sad Nestea couldn't take home the title, but how's he been playing? ;o Curious about his form going into Code S.

He's looked ok. He wont be a title contender but he could probably get out of his group on a good day. His late game doesnt seem very good at times

Ahhh ok thanks. Hopefully that'll improve with the new training methods Hots opens up, that's always been a bit of a weakspot of his.
On January 27 2013 03:59 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 03:55 LimitSEA wrote:
Sad Nestea couldn't take home the title, but how's he been playing? ;o Curious about his form going into Code S.


So I'm pretty confident with his Code S group this week, depending on how Soulkey plays I think. I have a feeling Taeja will come first, but it could be Soulkey if Taeja's wrists are a bit meh still.

I know what you mean. I always try to be as optimistic as possible when Nestea plays, but in the back of my head I couldn't really see him beating DRG, MKP or Life. So glad to see he's in good enough shape to destroy MKP, and hopefully he can make it out of his group. I'm desperate for Nestea's 4th title.
Long live the King of Wings
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-26 19:09:00
January 26 2013 19:06 GMT
#3243
On January 27 2013 04:01 Kasaraki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 03:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On January 27 2013 03:49 decado90 wrote:
On January 27 2013 03:44 Heartland wrote:
What can be so weird about Starcraft is that for a few months you can watch someone who seems unbeatable. I mean, there was a time when MKP was one of the greatest. Now he just feels like a punching bag.



A lot of Terran's TvZ went to the shitter after the queen buff.


MKP in an interview said that his TvZ winrate in practice dropped to 10%. He's never fully recovered.

When his TvZ was unbeatable he utilized a lot of early pressure and capitalized on his superior micro: combat shield timings, marine helion banshee pressure, 2 rax, etc. None of those builds are viable anymore.


honestly I was never impressed with his TvZ. Just feels like he's ridiculously greedy without the cerebral aspect of Flash, Bomber or MVP to get away with it consistently. Pretty good if he manages to get rolling though. It's why Symbol 3-0'd him last Iron Squid before the queen patch.


The terran players who are still good today, like Mvp and TaeJa, are all great thinkers, able to reinvent themselves, all having great decisionmaking.


MVP yes, but Taeja no. I've never been impressed with Taeja and he was only good for 2 months last summer. Life is 7-0 against taeja recently and hero is like 7-0 against him too. MKP's tvz is terribad these days, but taeja's isn't any better, but mkp's tvp is far superior than taeja who has always had bad tvp. MKP destroyed hero in iron squid, and taeja has gotten dominated by hero a lot recently with the games not even being close. MKP has always been the better player than taeja and still is today, it's just he loses all his tvz but still wins tvp and tvp pretty well.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
neggro
Profile Joined August 2012
United States591 Posts
January 26 2013 19:06 GMT
#3244
who is the translator
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-26 19:07:09
January 26 2013 19:06 GMT
#3245
On January 27 2013 04:03 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 04:03 TheDougler wrote:
On January 27 2013 04:01 nimdil wrote:
I wonder if the band actually enjoys playing StarCraft theme music but they do it better than Blizzard :D
On January 27 2013 03:59 stuchiu wrote:
On January 27 2013 03:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:
The finals is once again an Unofficial World Champion title defense match


Life is defending?

Yes (Wiki)Unofficial World Champion


Damn, it's been a while since we had a non-korean Unofficial World Champ


And if Life wins this series, it'll be a long time before next time


DRG was the only person who looked remotely close to be able to take a series off of life right now (based off how close BlizzCup 2012 series was between the two).
Life's just on fire.
moo...for DRG
arvinds94
Profile Joined April 2012
United States40 Posts
January 26 2013 19:07 GMT
#3246
Marine King crying, as much as i love Nestea i have a huge soft spot for MKP
viOlet
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 26 2013 19:07 GMT
#3247
On January 27 2013 04:06 LimitSEA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 03:56 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On January 27 2013 03:55 LimitSEA wrote:
Sad Nestea couldn't take home the title, but how's he been playing? ;o Curious about his form going into Code S.

He's looked ok. He wont be a title contender but he could probably get out of his group on a good day. His late game doesnt seem very good at times

Ahhh ok thanks. Hopefully that'll improve with the new training methods Hots opens up, that's always been a bit of a weakspot of his.
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 03:59 liberate71 wrote:
On January 27 2013 03:55 LimitSEA wrote:
Sad Nestea couldn't take home the title, but how's he been playing? ;o Curious about his form going into Code S.


So I'm pretty confident with his Code S group this week, depending on how Soulkey plays I think. I have a feeling Taeja will come first, but it could be Soulkey if Taeja's wrists are a bit meh still.

I know what you mean. I always try to be as optimistic as possible when Nestea plays, but in the back of my head I couldn't really see him beating DRG, MKP or Life. So glad to see he's in good enough shape to destroy MKP, and hopefully he can make it out of his group. I'm desperate for Nestea's 4th title.


He should be fine. Probably the favorite even, unless Taeja is anywhere back to normal o.O;
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
January 26 2013 19:07 GMT
#3248
On January 27 2013 04:06 neggro wrote:
who is the translator


he works for SK gaming
and is head of KSL
moo...for DRG
neggro
Profile Joined August 2012
United States591 Posts
January 26 2013 19:07 GMT
#3249
lol Soe trashing terrans and MKP being greedy?
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
January 26 2013 19:08 GMT
#3250
On January 27 2013 04:06 neggro wrote:
who is the translator

Min Sik Ko aka Reis, manager of SK Gaming.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
January 26 2013 19:08 GMT
#3251
--- Nuked ---
xwoGworwaTsx
Profile Joined April 2012
United States984 Posts
January 26 2013 19:09 GMT
#3252
On January 27 2013 04:03 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 04:01 nimdil wrote:
I wonder if the band actually enjoys playing StarCraft theme music but they do it better than Blizzard :D
On January 27 2013 03:59 stuchiu wrote:
On January 27 2013 03:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:
The finals is once again an Unofficial World Champion title defense match


Life is defending?

Yes (Wiki)Unofficial World Champion


Damn, it's been a while since we had a non-korean Unofficial World Champ

like in Broodwar, it might never happen anymore.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-26 19:09:47
January 26 2013 19:09 GMT
#3253
On January 27 2013 04:07 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 04:06 neggro wrote:
who is the translator


he works for SK gaming
and is head of KSL


Speaking of KSL, when's that tournament gonna start again?
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neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
January 26 2013 19:09 GMT
#3254
MKP is crying
moo...for DRG
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8323 Posts
January 26 2013 19:09 GMT
#3255
On January 27 2013 04:03 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 04:03 TheDougler wrote:
On January 27 2013 04:01 nimdil wrote:
I wonder if the band actually enjoys playing StarCraft theme music but they do it better than Blizzard :D
On January 27 2013 03:59 stuchiu wrote:
On January 27 2013 03:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:
The finals is once again an Unofficial World Champion title defense match


Life is defending?

Yes (Wiki)Unofficial World Champion


Damn, it's been a while since we had a non-korean Unofficial World Champ

And it'll be a while until we get another one.

Unless DRG beats Life and Stephano somehow beats DRG in GSL which is pretty unlikely.


Yeah... I'm not gonna hold my breath on that one.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
January 26 2013 19:10 GMT
#3256
On January 27 2013 04:06 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 04:01 Kasaraki wrote:
On January 27 2013 03:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On January 27 2013 03:49 decado90 wrote:
On January 27 2013 03:44 Heartland wrote:
What can be so weird about Starcraft is that for a few months you can watch someone who seems unbeatable. I mean, there was a time when MKP was one of the greatest. Now he just feels like a punching bag.



A lot of Terran's TvZ went to the shitter after the queen buff.


MKP in an interview said that his TvZ winrate in practice dropped to 10%. He's never fully recovered.

When his TvZ was unbeatable he utilized a lot of early pressure and capitalized on his superior micro: combat shield timings, marine helion banshee pressure, 2 rax, etc. None of those builds are viable anymore.


honestly I was never impressed with his TvZ. Just feels like he's ridiculously greedy without the cerebral aspect of Flash, Bomber or MVP to get away with it consistently. Pretty good if he manages to get rolling though. It's why Symbol 3-0'd him last Iron Squid before the queen patch.


The terran players who are still good today, like Mvp and TaeJa, are all great thinkers, able to reinvent themselves, all having great decisionmaking.


MVP yes, but Taeja no. I've never been impressed with Taeja and he was only good for 2 months last summer. Life is 7-0 against taeja recently and hero is like 7-0 against him too. MKP's tvz is terribad these days, but taeja's isn't any better, but mkp's tvp is far superior than taeja who has always had bad tvp. MKP has always been the better player than taeja and still is today, it's just he loses all his tvz but still wins tvp and tvp pretty well.


It's those damn wrists. I'm a TaeJa fanboy, haha, but I just wanted a name apart from Mvp as someone who is an intelligent terran. Last year was not a good terran year though, except for the King himself, so not a lot to pick from.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
January 26 2013 19:10 GMT
#3257
MKP getting an intervention...

"We are here because we love you, and we think your greedy play is hurting you." :p
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
January 26 2013 19:11 GMT
#3258
DONT CRY BABY
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Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
January 26 2013 19:11 GMT
#3259
On January 27 2013 04:01 Kasaraki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 03:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On January 27 2013 03:49 decado90 wrote:
On January 27 2013 03:44 Heartland wrote:
What can be so weird about Starcraft is that for a few months you can watch someone who seems unbeatable. I mean, there was a time when MKP was one of the greatest. Now he just feels like a punching bag.



A lot of Terran's TvZ went to the shitter after the queen buff.


MKP in an interview said that his TvZ winrate in practice dropped to 10%. He's never fully recovered.

When his TvZ was unbeatable he utilized a lot of early pressure and capitalized on his superior micro: combat shield timings, marine helion banshee pressure, 2 rax, etc. None of those builds are viable anymore.


honestly I was never impressed with his TvZ. Just feels like he's ridiculously greedy without the cerebral aspect of Flash, Bomber or MVP to get away with it consistently. Pretty good if he manages to get rolling though. It's why Symbol 3-0'd him last Iron Squid before the queen patch.


Yeah, his success wasn't based on intelligent play that much. He got away with greed when he wanted to, and had amazing micro, and good macro mechanics. But he wasn't a thinking player, and his decisionmaking was always poor. The terran players who are still good today, like Mvp and TaeJa, are all great thinkers, able to reinvent themselves, all having great decisionmaking. Mvp is the ultimate example, not abusing a specific metagame, or having metagame luck (As so many players have had over the years), but reinventing the metagame and thinking on a very high level about the game.


That is not exactly true. Taeja had a brief period when he was dominating zerg through very greedy play. Once he got figured out by Life in Gsl, his TvZ win rate dropped. Only "cerebral" player that somehow gets around the #1 terran problem these days (lack of options, timings dont work so you have to play risky and greedy to match zerg macro) is Mvp. All other terrans are doing greedy play because going 2 rax, or marine helion medivac, or 2 factory helion is very all in and doesnt really allow transition.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
January 26 2013 19:11 GMT
#3260
MKP "I learned my lesson, I won't play greedy anymore."

OMG Nestea spanked him pretty hard
moo...for DRG
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