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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10152 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 17:17:53
January 18 2013 17:17 GMT
#1301
On January 19 2013 02:16 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 02:13 Chaosu wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:05 00Visor wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:03 eurTsItniH wrote:
How exactly is it a bad system if the one with the most map wins moves on? You make it sound like it is all unusual, but infact it is usually the way same in football (map wins=goals in this case).

In football it makes sense, because you stimulate the teams to play offensive because you reward more total goals.
This doesnt apply to map wins, so it doesnt make sense there.

Why, I am asking why you don't stimulate the players to take one game off an opponent even when you're losing a series?

No. Thats already stimulated, because players would have a worse map difference if they wouldnt take that game.
Counting total map wins changes nothing there.


And what you are argueing about football is mostly because there exist draws and points. Pretty different. Winrate is more accurate and it is totally possible.
Recoil
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States276 Posts
January 18 2013 17:18 GMT
#1302
After watching Diestar's TvZ and comparing it to Lucifron's TvZ I can just see 2 different classes of player
Zuor
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland377 Posts
January 18 2013 17:19 GMT
#1303
Aww, such a shame that Moonglade didn't make it. Nowadays you see him so seldom in big tournaments that I would've liked to see him advance.
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
January 18 2013 17:19 GMT
#1304
On January 19 2013 02:15 rasnj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 02:12 StarVe wrote:
HE'S MOVING IN is kind of Khaldor's catchphrase, i think.

AND THEY ARE BOTH DROPPING IN SUPPLY! Player X's supply is dropping, but so is player Y's!

He has a few things he really likes to repeat in tense situations. I don't really mind though, feel he is a very good caster.

Not only does he have these catchprases, but he also likes to say something, and then repeat it with slightly more emphasis a second time.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
January 18 2013 17:19 GMT
#1305
And now for the practice Bonjwa.
ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
January 18 2013 17:20 GMT
#1306
I'm still waiting for the 2011 World Championship IEM 14 time three-way-tie rematch, but everytime it gets close i get denied in the end.
bisu
PavelDatsyuk88
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden55 Posts
January 18 2013 17:20 GMT
#1307
On January 19 2013 02:12 OKMarius wrote:
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On January 19 2013 02:09 Aynophae wrote:
If we only count the games between them 3, both TLO and Grubby are 3-3 on maps and Moonglade is 2-3, he would be out too with this system, some tourney did this iirc.


TLO isn't into the equation though since he has better mapscore than both of 'em


But TLO would be in it if it was head-to-head before overall mapscore. Whole point of that is to disregard other matches so his overall better mapscore wouldnt matter. moonglade would've been out with 2 of the most common ranking rules, there is no unfairness in this. (you can argue unfairness about which system should be used)
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
January 18 2013 17:21 GMT
#1308
Crush Nerchio you must, Yoda!!!
Fortus
Profile Joined March 2011
Russian Federation74 Posts
January 18 2013 17:21 GMT
#1309
CIS Stream: Verdi vs JookTo
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
January 18 2013 17:21 GMT
#1310
Yoda! Yoda! Yoda!
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
January 18 2013 17:21 GMT
#1311
This match should be sick
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
RyF
Profile Joined October 2011
Austria508 Posts
January 18 2013 17:21 GMT
#1312
crowd in poland is so passionate. i love it..
Chaosu
Profile Joined October 2005
Poland404 Posts
January 18 2013 17:22 GMT
#1313
On January 19 2013 02:16 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 02:13 Chaosu wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:05 00Visor wrote:
On January 19 2013 02:03 eurTsItniH wrote:
How exactly is it a bad system if the one with the most map wins moves on? You make it sound like it is all unusual, but infact it is usually the way same in football (map wins=goals in this case).

In football it makes sense, because you stimulate the teams to play offensive because you reward more total goals.
This doesnt apply to map wins, so it doesnt make sense there.

Why, I am asking why you don't stimulate the players to take one game off an opponent even when you're losing a series?

No. Thats already stimulated, because players would have a worse map difference if they wouldnt take that game.
Counting total map wins changes nothing there.

Winning in close series is better than losing in close series. Losing in close series is better than being owned. What doesn't make sence here to you?
Please be patient.
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
January 18 2013 17:22 GMT
#1314
The reasoning behind Grubby going through has been discussed many times before and makes no sense at all. Winning more maps is just completely irrelevant in this situation. Comparing it to football is useful only if we want to point out how nonsensical it really is. In football attacking play is rewarded with the tiebreaker of more goals. In SC2 winning more maps encourages what exactly?

If either head to head or win % are used as the next tiebreaker then Moonglade goes through. Number of wins is just an illogical, arbitrary way to decide it. Shame that a major tournament has to have such terrible rules. You might as well have Grubby going through because his APM was higher.

Grubby should be out under any reasonable tournament rules.
Red and yellow are all I see
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
January 18 2013 17:22 GMT
#1315
Yoda similar to Diestar? LOL! :D
ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
January 18 2013 17:22 GMT
#1316
On January 19 2013 02:21 DarkLordOlli wrote:
This match should be sick

the next zerg bonjwa vs the next terran practice bonjwa after puma
bisu
FreudianTrip
Profile Joined July 2011
Switzerland1983 Posts
January 18 2013 17:22 GMT
#1317
"Good Luck Gentlemans"
WhurreOdu
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1739 Posts
January 18 2013 17:22 GMT
#1318
No bow for poor Yoda ...
Fut am Bam
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
January 18 2013 17:23 GMT
#1319
Haha, YoDa similar to Diestar. O-o
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 18 2013 17:23 GMT
#1320
Who won game 3 vs First and Golden? It's not updated on liquipedia
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
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