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On January 12 2013 00:17 Confuse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 22:22 00Visor wrote:On January 11 2013 22:08 thesums wrote:
stephano still needs to prove himself in gsl, i still need to see whether stephano is actually as good as everyone says he is. Well just watch his fucking games and judge for yourself. 2-3 GSL matches won't be representative for anything. Actually it will that's the point of having GSL matches. If GSL has shown us anything, it's that so called foreign monsters never quite seem to cut it. (bluntly; no one invited to a free GSL spot has ever won the GSL)
Not a lot people who fought through everything won GSL either... using "winning" as a criteria is not exactly rational. In sports league with 30~ teams, many teams have not win in decades, it's just that odd is not good, which is why winning is a big deal.
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On January 11 2013 22:45 Zerofinal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 22:39 vthree wrote:On January 11 2013 22:37 Zerofinal wrote:On January 11 2013 22:32 vthree wrote:On January 11 2013 21:59 Forikorder wrote:On January 11 2013 21:57 TeeTS wrote:On January 11 2013 21:55 Zerofinal wrote:
I think this format isn't good because i see every persons who already advance or no chance to advance give their game to the people they love.
I think ESF players give their win to ESF friend to prevent KESPA players in code S.
According to low KESPA players, it is hard for KESPA to advance. I think You sir just wrote the biggest bullshit of the day. Congratulations! its not that big bullshit, the EsF players are probably at least worried about KeSPA palyers and if your already guaranteed to advance and your palying a friend your not going to fight tooth and nail, never give up never surrender to win your jsut gonna treat it as a practice game or ladder match that your gonna try to win but not really cling to that much Since you are so clever and know this game so well, why don't you englighten us and tell us what Byun should've done to kill that 4th base of symbol? i dont see why he didnt marine tank, slow push the middle base while using drops against the farther away base as multiprong instead he just seemed to throw away his early game advantage and not really do much of anything Except the fact that most of the Kespa players played so poorly that the other games outcome did even matter. You must use your brain and accept that the format isn't good for KESPA vs ESF. However, i accept Kepsa players aren't good enough. -Fantasy Bad macro -JD don't understand game -SOS no comment (very bad) -Flying no comment (very bad) -Flash i think he is good enough but he doesn't have experince -Trap no comment (very bad) I must use my brain? Why do you think you got warned for that post? NO comment for you. You should think carefully without bias that the format favor for ESF. In addition, I see person who lose to MC fast stalker before. However, 1 gate expand and no scout in PVP is unacceptable for that map
Why does the format favour the ESF players? If the KeSpA players were better, there'd be more Kespa players than ESF players in Code A, therefore it would be the other way round, wouldn't it?
Of the current 18 Code A players are 7 Kespa players + like 22 can qualify. The format might favour the "stronger" faction, but not really ESF in general ;-)
(And you can't change that, there will always be the chance that someone throws a game on purpose to support the (team)mate.
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Well, he can't respond to you so no need pile it on...
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Considering that JD just got out of plane and came to GSL studio, beating both zergs and losing narrowly to Terrans I find it very impressive. Dude didn't sleep for years....
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On January 12 2013 00:21 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 00:17 Confuse wrote:On January 11 2013 22:22 00Visor wrote:On January 11 2013 22:08 thesums wrote:
stephano still needs to prove himself in gsl, i still need to see whether stephano is actually as good as everyone says he is. Well just watch his fucking games and judge for yourself. 2-3 GSL matches won't be representative for anything. Actually it will that's the point of having GSL matches. If GSL has shown us anything, it's that so called foreign monsters never quite seem to cut it. (bluntly; no one invited to a free GSL spot has ever won the GSL) Not a lot people who fought through everything won GSL either... using "winning" as a criteria is not exactly rational. In sports league with 30~ teams, many teams have not win in decades, it's just that odd is not good, which is why winning is a big deal.
I guess it's true when I think about it. Scarlett, Stephano, Thorzain, etc. have all taken games off GSL regulars at one point or another; don't get me wrong, some foreign players are among my favorite to watch (whitera, grubby, and the aforementioned come to mind). and I do not question their skill level. Mainly I question their ability to take a GSL.
Here's another way to put it; when you say "the odds are not good", and koreans win MLG at every invite for 2012; doesn't that at least makes things a little suspicious? Why is it that 8-10 koreans can dominate tournaments off their hometurf (sometimes, from the open bracket), and yet zero foreigners have ever won/made it to the finals of a GSL? luck? I don't believe so. : /
We could go deeper into this, but the bottom line is that the results show that Koreans are better at handling different tournament formats then foreigners. Perhaps that is what I should have stated in the first place, but if that isn't indicative of skill then I'm not sure what is.
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It's two different concept though. The point of GSL seed is NOT finding the best player in the world and be title contenders, it's that they plays within the level of competition, which is to say make ro 16 about half the time and occasionally move forward.
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Anyone know when GOM is going to do the code S group selection?
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On January 12 2013 01:05 Confuse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 00:21 ragz_gt wrote:On January 12 2013 00:17 Confuse wrote:On January 11 2013 22:22 00Visor wrote:On January 11 2013 22:08 thesums wrote:
stephano still needs to prove himself in gsl, i still need to see whether stephano is actually as good as everyone says he is. Well just watch his fucking games and judge for yourself. 2-3 GSL matches won't be representative for anything. Actually it will that's the point of having GSL matches. If GSL has shown us anything, it's that so called foreign monsters never quite seem to cut it. (bluntly; no one invited to a free GSL spot has ever won the GSL) Not a lot people who fought through everything won GSL either... using "winning" as a criteria is not exactly rational. In sports league with 30~ teams, many teams have not win in decades, it's just that odd is not good, which is why winning is a big deal. I guess it's true when I think about it. Scarlett, Stephano, Thorzain, etc. have all taken games off GSL regulars at one point or another; don't get me wrong, some foreign players are among my favorite to watch (whitera, grubby, and the aforementioned come to mind). and I do not question their skill level. Mainly I question their ability to take a GSL. Here's another way to put it; when you say "the odds are not good", and koreans win MLG at every invite for 2012; doesn't that at least makes things a little suspicious? Why is it that 8-10 koreans can dominate tournaments off their hometurf (sometimes, from the open bracket), and yet zero foreigners have ever won/made it to the finals of a GSL? luck? I don't believe so. : / We could go deeper into this, but the bottom line is that the results show that Koreans are better at handling different tournament formats then foreigners. Perhaps that is what I should have stated in the first place, but if that isn't indicative of skill then I'm not sure what is.
Pretty sure all you're saying is that Koreans are better than foreigners.
Stop the presses! This bold claim is going to page one!
I agree with ragz_gt. The foreign seeds are about the competition, not necessarily about winning the whole thing
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On January 11 2013 21:35 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 21:33 Poopi wrote:On January 11 2013 21:27 Caihead wrote:On January 11 2013 21:26 Poopi wrote:
So how is antiga terran favored in the current patch/metagame?
I want to understand lol. If the zerg spreads his creep well enough you take soo much time before being able to take your fourth? The three base terran play and constantly denying the zerg's fourth while taking your fourth is pretty good vs Zerg. You can't take your fourth because of the creep. And three base terran ain't enough to deny the zerg fourth, as shown in this game. ByuN was even ahead in upgrades lol. are you trying to say 3 base Zerg > 3 bast terran?
If Zergs play that map properly they can EASILY take more bases. Everyone turtles till Brood Lords but you can play Muta to keep them in their base and take more bases of your own. Also, the 3 base muta/ling/bane bust is vicious on that map specifically.
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On January 12 2013 01:34 beamlite wrote:
Anyone know when GOM is going to do the code S group selection?
Soon™. They need to find out Sniper and HyuN's picks for their first opponent.
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ahhh that hurt to watch. Jaedong has a long way to go in his ZvT's, he really needs to learn how to capitalize on his advantages.
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On January 12 2013 02:11 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 01:34 beamlite wrote:
Anyone know when GOM is going to do the code S group selection? Soon™. They need to find out Sniper and HyuN's picks for their first opponent.
Cool, thanks.
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JD would have won against Byun, if he had just plugged the hole in his natural he wouldn't have lost like 35 drones. Anyway, starcraft is a game of small edges and on this day he was just a bit short.
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On January 12 2013 02:14 Tachion wrote:
ahhh that hurt to watch. Jaedong has a long way to go in his ZvT's, he really needs to learn how to capitalize on his advantages.
Don't worry, he's working with Idra now 
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This season's Code S is going to be STACKED. But the lack of Protoss hurts me. Hopefully a good number of them make it through. I hope Stephano and Nestea go far.
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On January 12 2013 03:19 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 02:14 Tachion wrote:
ahhh that hurt to watch. Jaedong has a long way to go in his ZvT's, he really needs to learn how to capitalize on his advantages. Don't worry, he's working with Idra now
Is that reassuring? Idra has been notorious for throwing away advantages in the past.
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this seasons up & down made me ask myself... so where ist this elephant everybody been talking about?
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damn jaedong.
I have no more reasons to see gsl in 60p
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EPT
