On January 07 2013 10:04 FataLe wrote:
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It's time for you to stop posting.
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
On January 07 2013 10:04 FataLe wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 10:00 decado90 wrote: On January 07 2013 09:44 vthree wrote: On January 07 2013 09:38 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Are people claiming that making units from a single, unproxied Gateway is an all-in? From the same person that said proxy marauders isn't a cheese when Flash does it.... Mc's build wasn't a cheese, and not really an 'all in'. It was just sub optimal, non standard play. Like if a terran built 2 rax's before his first cc against Protoss. You're not all inning, you're simply doing some early marine aggression, but it is non standard and fairly risky against most openers. It's time for you to stop posting. aw bitch you got jacked bitch | ||
Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
On January 07 2013 09:12 Baroninthetree wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 03:57 johanes wrote: As a Flash fan i'm not happy with this result, but this is only temporary issue. What i am happy about is his current SC2 skill. I believe he can face anyone right now and not be an underdog. Just look at the only 2 games out of 9(!) he lost today - aggressive early game pushes. If he is able to survive to mid - late game, he is becoming almost invincible. This reminds me of a certain period of his BW carrier - he was unbeatable in late game if he got there. Then he learned how to defend against everything and became GOD. He is not in the Code S now? With his skill progression, he will win several Code S in coming months. Greedy as flash and as always, no surprise he lost to the early aggression. This is starcraft 2 not macrocraft they are playing. Flash is just too flash, he doesn't care how the others played, he just play his own game, execute the best out of his build. Like the game with Rain in spl, he attacked once his 22 finished, doesn't care how many ff and colossus Rain had, and of course flash lost. If flash keep on this arrogant play style, the fanboy will face more disappontent like today. Then again, that's maybe why they love him at the first place. Disappointment? Flash was 7-2 today lol... | ||
NicksonReyes
Philippines4431 Posts
On January 07 2013 11:27 usethis2 wrote: Why didn't Vampire kill MC's probe planting cannons? Did he simply forget in the heat of the moment, or is there some other reason? At some point he probably already knew he completely held it off, so he just let MC waste more minerals by letting him make and cancel more cannons. | ||
aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
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Salient
United States876 Posts
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Heavenlee
United States966 Posts
On January 07 2013 08:26 decado90 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 08:16 munchmunch wrote: Complaints about the format and direct comparison are strange, and I'm a flash fan. Look, obviously the person with the most wins should advance out of the group, right? You've got three people with a 3-2 score. To resolve the tie, imagine that these players had just played each other in a 3 man group. Then the scores would be: MC 2-0 Jaedong 1-1 Flash 0-2 And people really think that Flash should advance because he beat Yoda? Well he soundly beat the player with the best score in the group in the matchup most indicative of skill and finished 3-2 with 2 losses to all ins. This format is just stupid imo. Smaller groups with bo3's (like GSL Ro32 and 16) are much more rewarding to the better player. Do you think MC would have stood a chance in a best of 5? Heavens no, not even the slightest. The sad thing is that the best player in the group didn't advance and it's simply because of the format. This GSL season will be a farce because the most talented player in the history of gaming isn't in it. But hey, SPL gets more viewers than GSL already, doesn't crash and lag incessantly, isn't overpriced, and the viewer can actually see the supply counts on the free stream. Kespa is probably smiling at Gom's incompetence. Interesting. Let's try to make a new format that will please you. He soundly beat the player with the best score in the group and lost to all-ins. The bo3 in GSL is a better format but hey, what if Flash is unlucky enough to lose in the first round to the person who later becomes the champion? People who don't deserve to be in later rounds might have got there because of easy opponents and Flash was screwed over because he got a tough opponent. The obvious solution here is to no longer play Starcraft as a win or loss game, but instead we are going to look at the way they play then rate it on a scale 1-10. Let's use categories like macro, micro, game sense, etc. Then we're going to collectively look at all these players, cut out the lower half, then just keep advancing rounds on that basis. Now everyone is happy! Actually wait, what if Flash had a bad day and was playing below his normal skill level? shoot. | ||
Baroninthetree
United States473 Posts
On January 07 2013 11:49 Fyodor wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 09:12 Baroninthetree wrote: On January 07 2013 03:57 johanes wrote: As a Flash fan i'm not happy with this result, but this is only temporary issue. What i am happy about is his current SC2 skill. I believe he can face anyone right now and not be an underdog. Just look at the only 2 games out of 9(!) he lost today - aggressive early game pushes. If he is able to survive to mid - late game, he is becoming almost invincible. This reminds me of a certain period of his BW carrier - he was unbeatable in late game if he got there. Then he learned how to defend against everything and became GOD. He is not in the Code S now? With his skill progression, he will win several Code S in coming months. Greedy as flash and as always, no surprise he lost to the early aggression. This is starcraft 2 not macrocraft they are playing. Flash is just too flash, he doesn't care how the others played, he just play his own game, execute the best out of his build. Like the game with Rain in spl, he attacked once his 22 finished, doesn't care how many ff and colossus Rain had, and of course flash lost. If flash keep on this arrogant play style, the fanboy will face more disappontent like today. Then again, that's maybe why they love him at the first place. Disappointment? Flash was 7-2 today lol... If you consider 7-2 and falling to code A acceptable for elephant like flash, i would say nth more. and 7-2 in one day is big deal? you really should look at the MLG bracket? especially check out leenock's record | ||
ProfessionalNoob
United States75 Posts
On January 07 2013 09:44 vthree wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 09:38 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Are people claiming that making units from a single, unproxied Gateway is an all-in? From the same person that said proxy marauders isn't a cheese when Flash does it.... Making 2 stalkers after a first zealot isn't an "all-in", look up the guide on "MC's safe 1 gate FE", it delays the expansion only a tiny bit and it punishes a player who plays too greedy and skips a bunker. It's just out of date now, because most protoss have figured out that the 2nd stalker is kind of useless if terran does make a bunker and you can't pressure. Flash just played way too greedy, following CC first up with no bunker. | ||
SniXSniPe
United States1938 Posts
On January 07 2013 13:44 Baroninthetree wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 11:49 Fyodor wrote: On January 07 2013 09:12 Baroninthetree wrote: On January 07 2013 03:57 johanes wrote: As a Flash fan i'm not happy with this result, but this is only temporary issue. What i am happy about is his current SC2 skill. I believe he can face anyone right now and not be an underdog. Just look at the only 2 games out of 9(!) he lost today - aggressive early game pushes. If he is able to survive to mid - late game, he is becoming almost invincible. This reminds me of a certain period of his BW carrier - he was unbeatable in late game if he got there. Then he learned how to defend against everything and became GOD. He is not in the Code S now? With his skill progression, he will win several Code S in coming months. Greedy as flash and as always, no surprise he lost to the early aggression. This is starcraft 2 not macrocraft they are playing. Flash is just too flash, he doesn't care how the others played, he just play his own game, execute the best out of his build. Like the game with Rain in spl, he attacked once his 22 finished, doesn't care how many ff and colossus Rain had, and of course flash lost. If flash keep on this arrogant play style, the fanboy will face more disappontent like today. Then again, that's maybe why they love him at the first place. Disappointment? Flash was 7-2 today lol... If you consider 7-2 and falling to code A acceptable for elephant like flash, i would say nth more. and 7-2 in one day is big deal? you really should look at the MLG bracket? especially check out leenock's record Well considering Flash hasn't even play SC2 for even a year, while most of these players have played SC2 for over 2 years.... ...and it's not like Flash didn't beat Revival, JYP, and code S players like Hero, and TaeJa... Not to mention he was the only one to take a game off YoDa. On January 07 2013 13:10 Salient wrote: MC owned the over-hyped Kespa players in head to head matches. Priceless. Of course, the head to head scores wouldn't even matter if MC had just played normally against Vampire (and likely won) instead of trying to show off with a cannon rush cheese. :p You know what's funny? How 5 out 5 KeSPA players at the MLG Championships finished further in the tournament than MC did. In fact, MC did not even make top 16, while Flash finished top 4, Rain finished top 6, Soulkey finished top 12, and soO top 16. hyvaa lost to Soulkey 1-2 and would have finished top 16 had he defeated him. | ||
Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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floodo1
United States4 Posts
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Dirkinity
Germany409 Posts
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Bunn
Estonia934 Posts
why does jd go to wildcards while flash doesn't, although they both have 3-2 map score? | ||
Shellshock
United States97250 Posts
On January 07 2013 22:27 Bunn wrote: hey guys, why does jd go to wildcards while flash doesn't, although they both have 3-2 map score? The 3 way tie goes to a "minipool" of head to head MC 2-0 (victory against Flash and Jaedong) Jaedong 1-1 (victory against Flash, loss to MC) Flash 0-2 (loss to Jaedong and MC) MC finishes the group in 2nd place and Jaedong finishes 3rd. Flash falls to 4th | ||
XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
On January 07 2013 22:31 Shellshock1122 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 22:27 Bunn wrote: hey guys, why does jd go to wildcards while flash doesn't, although they both have 3-2 map score? The 3 way tie goes to a "minipool" of head to head MC 2-0 (victory against Flash and Jaedong) Jaedong 1-1 (victory against Flash, loss to MC) Flash 0-2 (loss to Jaedong and MC) MC finishes the group in 2nd place and Jaedong finishes 3rd. Flash falls to 4th The way Flash lose to MC is discouraging... I feel it was decided the moment flash loses his marine to stalker at early game... And then both Jaedong fate & Flash fate rely on Yonghwa to win a game against MC | ||
Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On January 07 2013 23:06 XiaoJoyce- wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 22:31 Shellshock1122 wrote: On January 07 2013 22:27 Bunn wrote: hey guys, why does jd go to wildcards while flash doesn't, although they both have 3-2 map score? The 3 way tie goes to a "minipool" of head to head MC 2-0 (victory against Flash and Jaedong) Jaedong 1-1 (victory against Flash, loss to MC) Flash 0-2 (loss to Jaedong and MC) MC finishes the group in 2nd place and Jaedong finishes 3rd. Flash falls to 4th The way Flash lose to MC is discouraging... I feel it was decided the moment flash loses his marine to stalker at early game... And then both Jaedong fate & Flash fate rely on Yonghwa to win a game against MC Flash just played extremely greedy and skipped the all important bunker. It was a huge blunder and i can't imagine any reason for why he did it. | ||
vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On January 07 2013 23:08 Morfildur wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 23:06 XiaoJoyce- wrote: On January 07 2013 22:31 Shellshock1122 wrote: On January 07 2013 22:27 Bunn wrote: hey guys, why does jd go to wildcards while flash doesn't, although they both have 3-2 map score? The 3 way tie goes to a "minipool" of head to head MC 2-0 (victory against Flash and Jaedong) Jaedong 1-1 (victory against Flash, loss to MC) Flash 0-2 (loss to Jaedong and MC) MC finishes the group in 2nd place and Jaedong finishes 3rd. Flash falls to 4th The way Flash lose to MC is discouraging... I feel it was decided the moment flash loses his marine to stalker at early game... And then both Jaedong fate & Flash fate rely on Yonghwa to win a game against MC Flash just played extremely greedy and skipped the all important bunker. It was a huge blunder and i can't imagine any reason for why he did it. It is to cut corners. Like someone said above, this build is an outdated build. Why is it outdated? Because 90% of Terran build that bunker. So Protosses now decide it is not worth it to make that second stalker. So much so that some terrans decide it is now safe to not build that bunker. If you look at some recent games, Flash is not the only one to delay his bunker. He was just the first one to get caught. | ||
vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On January 07 2013 15:34 SniXSniPe wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 13:44 Baroninthetree wrote: On January 07 2013 11:49 Fyodor wrote: On January 07 2013 09:12 Baroninthetree wrote: On January 07 2013 03:57 johanes wrote: As a Flash fan i'm not happy with this result, but this is only temporary issue. What i am happy about is his current SC2 skill. I believe he can face anyone right now and not be an underdog. Just look at the only 2 games out of 9(!) he lost today - aggressive early game pushes. If he is able to survive to mid - late game, he is becoming almost invincible. This reminds me of a certain period of his BW carrier - he was unbeatable in late game if he got there. Then he learned how to defend against everything and became GOD. He is not in the Code S now? With his skill progression, he will win several Code S in coming months. Greedy as flash and as always, no surprise he lost to the early aggression. This is starcraft 2 not macrocraft they are playing. Flash is just too flash, he doesn't care how the others played, he just play his own game, execute the best out of his build. Like the game with Rain in spl, he attacked once his 22 finished, doesn't care how many ff and colossus Rain had, and of course flash lost. If flash keep on this arrogant play style, the fanboy will face more disappontent like today. Then again, that's maybe why they love him at the first place. Disappointment? Flash was 7-2 today lol... If you consider 7-2 and falling to code A acceptable for elephant like flash, i would say nth more. and 7-2 in one day is big deal? you really should look at the MLG bracket? especially check out leenock's record Well considering Flash hasn't even play SC2 for even a year, while most of these players have played SC2 for over 2 years.... ...and it's not like Flash didn't beat Revival, JYP, and code S players like Hero, and TaeJa... Not to mention he was the only one to take a game off YoDa. Show nested quote + On January 07 2013 13:10 Salient wrote: MC owned the over-hyped Kespa players in head to head matches. Priceless. Of course, the head to head scores wouldn't even matter if MC had just played normally against Vampire (and likely won) instead of trying to show off with a cannon rush cheese. :p You know what's funny? How 5 out 5 KeSPA players at the MLG Championships finished further in the tournament than MC did. In fact, MC did not even make top 16, while Flash finished top 4, Rain finished top 6, Soulkey finished top 12, and soO top 16. hyvaa lost to Soulkey 1-2 and would have finished top 16 had he defeated him. Well, MC played from the open bracket while the Kespa players were seeded. So I don't think it is a good comparison. | ||
BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On January 07 2013 13:10 Salient wrote: MC owned the over-hyped Kespa players in head to head matches. Priceless. Of course, the head to head scores wouldn't even matter if MC had just played normally against Vampire (and likely won) instead of trying to show off with a cannon rush cheese. :p Lol overhyped? They posted results in BW (something MC didnt do) There's nothing "over-hyped" about their ability. | ||
Mithandir
Belgium1 Post
On January 07 2013 15:57 floodo1 wrote: what is the virtual khaldor? It's a little tool I wrote to help Khaldor keep track of who can and can't proceed in up&downs: http://fantasycomic.com/vkhaldor/ It basically checks all possible outcomes and checks who can get what position and with how likely that is (not taking player skill or stats into account, just number of "outs" they have). Once it has a bit of data it also says what games are critical for players. | ||
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