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Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
January 07 2013 02:35 GMT
#3101
On January 07 2013 10:04 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2013 10:00 decado90 wrote:
On January 07 2013 09:44 vthree wrote:
On January 07 2013 09:38 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Are people claiming that making units from a single, unproxied Gateway is an all-in?


From the same person that said proxy marauders isn't a cheese when Flash does it....




Mc's build wasn't a cheese, and not really an 'all in'. It was just sub optimal, non standard play.

Like if a terran built 2 rax's before his first cc against Protoss. You're not all inning, you're simply doing some early marine aggression, but it is non standard and fairly risky against most openers.

Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 21:01 decado90 wrote:
Haha, MC cheesy as all hell as always.


It's time for you to stop posting.

aw bitch you got jacked bitch
Maruprime.
Fyodor
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada971 Posts
January 07 2013 02:49 GMT
#3102
On January 07 2013 09:12 Baroninthetree wrote:
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On January 07 2013 03:57 johanes wrote:
As a Flash fan i'm not happy with this result, but this is only temporary issue. What i am happy about is his current SC2 skill. I believe he can face anyone right now and not be an underdog. Just look at the only 2 games out of 9(!) he lost today - aggressive early game pushes. If he is able to survive to mid - late game, he is becoming almost invincible. This reminds me of a certain period of his BW carrier - he was unbeatable in late game if he got there. Then he learned how to defend against everything and became GOD. He is not in the Code S now? With his skill progression, he will win several Code S in coming months.

Greedy as flash and as always, no surprise he lost to the early aggression.
This is starcraft 2 not macrocraft they are playing. Flash is just too flash, he doesn't care how the others played, he just play his own game, execute the best out of his build.
Like the game with Rain in spl, he attacked once his 22 finished, doesn't care how many ff and colossus Rain had, and of course flash lost.
If flash keep on this arrogant play style, the fanboy will face more disappontent like today. Then again, that's maybe why they love him at the first place.

Disappointment? Flash was 7-2 today lol...
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NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
January 07 2013 03:03 GMT
#3103
On January 07 2013 11:27 usethis2 wrote:
Why didn't Vampire kill MC's probe planting cannons? Did he simply forget in the heat of the moment, or is there some other reason?

At some point he probably already knew he completely held it off, so he just let MC waste more minerals by letting him make and cancel more cannons.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
January 07 2013 03:15 GMT
#3104
well i literally mispredicted every single match
can i get my estro logo back pls
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
January 07 2013 04:10 GMT
#3105
MC owned the over-hyped Kespa players in head to head matches. Priceless. Of course, the head to head scores wouldn't even matter if MC had just played normally against Vampire (and likely won) instead of trying to show off with a cannon rush cheese. :p
Heavenlee
Profile Joined April 2012
United States966 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-07 04:32:22
January 07 2013 04:30 GMT
#3106
On January 07 2013 08:26 decado90 wrote:
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On January 07 2013 08:16 munchmunch wrote:
Complaints about the format and direct comparison are strange, and I'm a flash fan. Look, obviously the person with the most wins should advance out of the group, right? You've got three people with a 3-2 score. To resolve the tie, imagine that these players had just played each other in a 3 man group. Then the scores would be:

MC 2-0
Jaedong 1-1
Flash 0-2

And people really think that Flash should advance because he beat Yoda?



Well he soundly beat the player with the best score in the group in the matchup most indicative of skill and finished 3-2 with 2 losses to all ins.

This format is just stupid imo. Smaller groups with bo3's (like GSL Ro32 and 16) are much more rewarding to the better player. Do you think MC would have stood a chance in a best of 5? Heavens no, not even the slightest.

The sad thing is that the best player in the group didn't advance and it's simply because of the format.

This GSL season will be a farce because the most talented player in the history of gaming isn't in it.

But hey, SPL gets more viewers than GSL already, doesn't crash and lag incessantly, isn't overpriced, and the viewer can actually see the supply counts on the free stream. Kespa is probably smiling at Gom's incompetence.


Interesting. Let's try to make a new format that will please you.

He soundly beat the player with the best score in the group and lost to all-ins. The bo3 in GSL is a better format but hey, what if Flash is unlucky enough to lose in the first round to the person who later becomes the champion? People who don't deserve to be in later rounds might have got there because of easy opponents and Flash was screwed over because he got a tough opponent.

The obvious solution here is to no longer play Starcraft as a win or loss game, but instead we are going to look at the way they play then rate it on a scale 1-10. Let's use categories like macro, micro, game sense, etc. Then we're going to collectively look at all these players, cut out the lower half, then just keep advancing rounds on that basis.

Now everyone is happy!

Actually wait, what if Flash had a bad day and was playing below his normal skill level? shoot.
Baroninthetree
Profile Joined August 2012
United States473 Posts
January 07 2013 04:44 GMT
#3107
On January 07 2013 11:49 Fyodor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2013 09:12 Baroninthetree wrote:
On January 07 2013 03:57 johanes wrote:
As a Flash fan i'm not happy with this result, but this is only temporary issue. What i am happy about is his current SC2 skill. I believe he can face anyone right now and not be an underdog. Just look at the only 2 games out of 9(!) he lost today - aggressive early game pushes. If he is able to survive to mid - late game, he is becoming almost invincible. This reminds me of a certain period of his BW carrier - he was unbeatable in late game if he got there. Then he learned how to defend against everything and became GOD. He is not in the Code S now? With his skill progression, he will win several Code S in coming months.

Greedy as flash and as always, no surprise he lost to the early aggression.
This is starcraft 2 not macrocraft they are playing. Flash is just too flash, he doesn't care how the others played, he just play his own game, execute the best out of his build.
Like the game with Rain in spl, he attacked once his 22 finished, doesn't care how many ff and colossus Rain had, and of course flash lost.
If flash keep on this arrogant play style, the fanboy will face more disappontent like today. Then again, that's maybe why they love him at the first place.

Disappointment? Flash was 7-2 today lol...

If you consider 7-2 and falling to code A acceptable for elephant like flash, i would say nth more.
and 7-2 in one day is big deal? you really should look at the MLG bracket? especially check out leenock's record
ProfessionalNoob
Profile Joined October 2012
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-07 06:13:49
January 07 2013 06:10 GMT
#3108
On January 07 2013 09:44 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2013 09:38 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Are people claiming that making units from a single, unproxied Gateway is an all-in?


From the same person that said proxy marauders isn't a cheese when Flash does it....


Making 2 stalkers after a first zealot isn't an "all-in", look up the guide on "MC's safe 1 gate FE", it delays the expansion only a tiny bit and it punishes a player who plays too greedy and skips a bunker. It's just out of date now, because most protoss have figured out that the 2nd stalker is kind of useless if terran does make a bunker and you can't pressure.

Flash just played way too greedy, following CC first up with no bunker.
SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-07 06:37:00
January 07 2013 06:34 GMT
#3109
On January 07 2013 13:44 Baroninthetree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2013 11:49 Fyodor wrote:
On January 07 2013 09:12 Baroninthetree wrote:
On January 07 2013 03:57 johanes wrote:
As a Flash fan i'm not happy with this result, but this is only temporary issue. What i am happy about is his current SC2 skill. I believe he can face anyone right now and not be an underdog. Just look at the only 2 games out of 9(!) he lost today - aggressive early game pushes. If he is able to survive to mid - late game, he is becoming almost invincible. This reminds me of a certain period of his BW carrier - he was unbeatable in late game if he got there. Then he learned how to defend against everything and became GOD. He is not in the Code S now? With his skill progression, he will win several Code S in coming months.

Greedy as flash and as always, no surprise he lost to the early aggression.
This is starcraft 2 not macrocraft they are playing. Flash is just too flash, he doesn't care how the others played, he just play his own game, execute the best out of his build.
Like the game with Rain in spl, he attacked once his 22 finished, doesn't care how many ff and colossus Rain had, and of course flash lost.
If flash keep on this arrogant play style, the fanboy will face more disappontent like today. Then again, that's maybe why they love him at the first place.

Disappointment? Flash was 7-2 today lol...

If you consider 7-2 and falling to code A acceptable for elephant like flash, i would say nth more.
and 7-2 in one day is big deal? you really should look at the MLG bracket? especially check out leenock's record


Well considering Flash hasn't even play SC2 for even a year, while most of these players have played SC2 for over 2 years....

...and it's not like Flash didn't beat Revival, JYP, and code S players like Hero, and TaeJa... Not to mention he was the only one to take a game off YoDa.



On January 07 2013 13:10 Salient wrote:
MC owned the over-hyped Kespa players in head to head matches. Priceless. Of course, the head to head scores wouldn't even matter if MC had just played normally against Vampire (and likely won) instead of trying to show off with a cannon rush cheese. :p


You know what's funny? How 5 out 5 KeSPA players at the MLG Championships finished further in the tournament than MC did. In fact, MC did not even make top 16, while Flash finished top 4, Rain finished top 6, Soulkey finished top 12, and soO top 16. hyvaa lost to Soulkey 1-2 and would have finished top 16 had he defeated him.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
January 07 2013 06:40 GMT
#3110
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floodo1
Profile Joined May 2011
United States4 Posts
January 07 2013 06:57 GMT
#3111
what is the virtual khaldor?
Dirkinity
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany409 Posts
January 07 2013 11:29 GMT
#3112
"Khaldor: If you have 50 banelings and make another 20 that means... Wolf: That means you have 60!"

HAHA
Bunn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Estonia934 Posts
January 07 2013 13:27 GMT
#3113
hey guys,

why does jd go to wildcards while flash doesn't, although they both have 3-2 map score?
"There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level." - Bruce Lee
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 07 2013 13:31 GMT
#3114
On January 07 2013 22:27 Bunn wrote:
hey guys,

why does jd go to wildcards while flash doesn't, although they both have 3-2 map score?

The 3 way tie goes to a "minipool" of head to head
MC 2-0 (victory against Flash and Jaedong)
Jaedong 1-1 (victory against Flash, loss to MC)
Flash 0-2 (loss to Jaedong and MC)
MC finishes the group in 2nd place and Jaedong finishes 3rd. Flash falls to 4th
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XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
January 07 2013 14:06 GMT
#3115
On January 07 2013 22:31 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2013 22:27 Bunn wrote:
hey guys,

why does jd go to wildcards while flash doesn't, although they both have 3-2 map score?

The 3 way tie goes to a "minipool" of head to head
MC 2-0 (victory against Flash and Jaedong)
Jaedong 1-1 (victory against Flash, loss to MC)
Flash 0-2 (loss to Jaedong and MC)
MC finishes the group in 2nd place and Jaedong finishes 3rd. Flash falls to 4th


The way Flash lose to MC is discouraging...
I feel it was decided the moment flash loses his marine to stalker at early game...

And then both Jaedong fate & Flash fate rely on Yonghwa to win a game against MC
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
January 07 2013 14:08 GMT
#3116
On January 07 2013 23:06 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2013 22:31 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On January 07 2013 22:27 Bunn wrote:
hey guys,

why does jd go to wildcards while flash doesn't, although they both have 3-2 map score?

The 3 way tie goes to a "minipool" of head to head
MC 2-0 (victory against Flash and Jaedong)
Jaedong 1-1 (victory against Flash, loss to MC)
Flash 0-2 (loss to Jaedong and MC)
MC finishes the group in 2nd place and Jaedong finishes 3rd. Flash falls to 4th


The way Flash lose to MC is discouraging...
I feel it was decided the moment flash loses his marine to stalker at early game...

And then both Jaedong fate & Flash fate rely on Yonghwa to win a game against MC


Flash just played extremely greedy and skipped the all important bunker.
It was a huge blunder and i can't imagine any reason for why he did it.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
January 07 2013 14:17 GMT
#3117
On January 07 2013 23:08 Morfildur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2013 23:06 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
On January 07 2013 22:31 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On January 07 2013 22:27 Bunn wrote:
hey guys,

why does jd go to wildcards while flash doesn't, although they both have 3-2 map score?

The 3 way tie goes to a "minipool" of head to head
MC 2-0 (victory against Flash and Jaedong)
Jaedong 1-1 (victory against Flash, loss to MC)
Flash 0-2 (loss to Jaedong and MC)
MC finishes the group in 2nd place and Jaedong finishes 3rd. Flash falls to 4th


The way Flash lose to MC is discouraging...
I feel it was decided the moment flash loses his marine to stalker at early game...

And then both Jaedong fate & Flash fate rely on Yonghwa to win a game against MC


Flash just played extremely greedy and skipped the all important bunker.
It was a huge blunder and i can't imagine any reason for why he did it.


It is to cut corners. Like someone said above, this build is an outdated build. Why is it outdated? Because 90% of Terran build that bunker. So Protosses now decide it is not worth it to make that second stalker. So much so that some terrans decide it is now safe to not build that bunker. If you look at some recent games, Flash is not the only one to delay his bunker. He was just the first one to get caught.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
January 07 2013 14:20 GMT
#3118
On January 07 2013 15:34 SniXSniPe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2013 13:44 Baroninthetree wrote:
On January 07 2013 11:49 Fyodor wrote:
On January 07 2013 09:12 Baroninthetree wrote:
On January 07 2013 03:57 johanes wrote:
As a Flash fan i'm not happy with this result, but this is only temporary issue. What i am happy about is his current SC2 skill. I believe he can face anyone right now and not be an underdog. Just look at the only 2 games out of 9(!) he lost today - aggressive early game pushes. If he is able to survive to mid - late game, he is becoming almost invincible. This reminds me of a certain period of his BW carrier - he was unbeatable in late game if he got there. Then he learned how to defend against everything and became GOD. He is not in the Code S now? With his skill progression, he will win several Code S in coming months.

Greedy as flash and as always, no surprise he lost to the early aggression.
This is starcraft 2 not macrocraft they are playing. Flash is just too flash, he doesn't care how the others played, he just play his own game, execute the best out of his build.
Like the game with Rain in spl, he attacked once his 22 finished, doesn't care how many ff and colossus Rain had, and of course flash lost.
If flash keep on this arrogant play style, the fanboy will face more disappontent like today. Then again, that's maybe why they love him at the first place.

Disappointment? Flash was 7-2 today lol...

If you consider 7-2 and falling to code A acceptable for elephant like flash, i would say nth more.
and 7-2 in one day is big deal? you really should look at the MLG bracket? especially check out leenock's record


Well considering Flash hasn't even play SC2 for even a year, while most of these players have played SC2 for over 2 years....

...and it's not like Flash didn't beat Revival, JYP, and code S players like Hero, and TaeJa... Not to mention he was the only one to take a game off YoDa.



Show nested quote +
On January 07 2013 13:10 Salient wrote:
MC owned the over-hyped Kespa players in head to head matches. Priceless. Of course, the head to head scores wouldn't even matter if MC had just played normally against Vampire (and likely won) instead of trying to show off with a cannon rush cheese. :p


You know what's funny? How 5 out 5 KeSPA players at the MLG Championships finished further in the tournament than MC did. In fact, MC did not even make top 16, while Flash finished top 4, Rain finished top 6, Soulkey finished top 12, and soO top 16. hyvaa lost to Soulkey 1-2 and would have finished top 16 had he defeated him.


Well, MC played from the open bracket while the Kespa players were seeded. So I don't think it is a good comparison.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
January 07 2013 15:19 GMT
#3119
On January 07 2013 13:10 Salient wrote:
MC owned the over-hyped Kespa players in head to head matches. Priceless. Of course, the head to head scores wouldn't even matter if MC had just played normally against Vampire (and likely won) instead of trying to show off with a cannon rush cheese. :p

Lol overhyped? They posted results in BW (something MC didnt do) There's nothing "over-hyped" about their ability.
Mithandir
Profile Joined December 2012
Belgium1 Post
January 07 2013 20:16 GMT
#3120
On January 07 2013 15:57 floodo1 wrote:
what is the virtual khaldor?


It's a little tool I wrote to help Khaldor keep track of who can and can't proceed in up&downs:

http://fantasycomic.com/vkhaldor/

It basically checks all possible outcomes and checks who can get what position and with how likely that is (not taking player skill or stats into account, just number of "outs" they have). Once it has a bit of data it also says what games are critical for players.
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