EPT[Up/Down] Group A 2013 GSL Season 1 - Page 155
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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Baroninthetree
United States473 Posts
On January 07 2013 03:57 johanes wrote: As a Flash fan i'm not happy with this result, but this is only temporary issue. What i am happy about is his current SC2 skill. I believe he can face anyone right now and not be an underdog. Just look at the only 2 games out of 9(!) he lost today - aggressive early game pushes. If he is able to survive to mid - late game, he is becoming almost invincible. This reminds me of a certain period of his BW carrier - he was unbeatable in late game if he got there. Then he learned how to defend against everything and became GOD. He is not in the Code S now? With his skill progression, he will win several Code S in coming months. Greedy as flash and as always, no surprise he lost to the early aggression. This is starcraft 2 not macrocraft they are playing. Flash is just too flash, he doesn't care how the others played, he just play his own game, execute the best out of his build. Like the game with Rain in spl, he attacked once his 22 finished, doesn't care how many ff and colossus Rain had, and of course flash lost. If flash keep on this arrogant play style, the fanboy will face more disappontent like today. Then again, that's maybe why they love him at the first place. | ||
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DrakeFZX3
United States925 Posts
On January 07 2013 08:50 decado90 wrote: In order,: 1) Read my previous post proving TvT is the matchup most indicative of skill 2) Well the term "all in" is in of itself subjective. But, Jaedong's seemd to be a pretty standard 3 base muta ling bane all in. Also, 1 zealot + 2 stalker before nexus is no where near standard and if it didn't do damage MC would have been quite far behind. Point noted though. 3) + 4) My opinion of course 5) http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/detailed-elo#tblt-11080-1-3-DESC No one comes close, but hey I guess you could also say Michael Jordan isn't the best NBA player of all time so it's indeed an "opinion" 6) Remember when Gom used twitch to stream their games for a few weeks? Tell me about those mind boggling numbers. Oh wait, they are lower than SPL receives, like I asserted. 7) Opinion, but I don't think a rival company would be too upset that thousands of people suffered from a laggy and low quality Gom stream yesterday JD's macro was left uninterupted and he rolled in when Flash didn't even have siege mode. It was a complete massacre. MC's 1 zealot/2 Stalker pressure was not an all-in. It was a response to seeing how greedy Flash was playing when he cut out a BUNKER. And he got punished for it. It was a deserved loss. Using Gom's Twitch numbers to compare when they 1)broadcast at a time when most of NA aren't even watching unlike the SPL, 2)it's completely small sample size since it was only 1 1/2 weeks, 3)Gom makes more money and gets most of their views off their subs ANYWAY, so it's a moot point. You might as well argue IPL and NASL replay streams get more viewers live. | ||
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
On January 07 2013 08:26 decado90 wrote: Well he soundly beat the player with the best score in the group in the matchup most indicative of skill and finished 3-2 with 2 losses to all ins. This format is just stupid imo. Smaller groups with bo3's (like GSL Ro32 and 16) are much more rewarding to the better player. Do you think MC would have stood a chance in a best of 5? Heavens no, not even the slightest. The sad thing is that the best player in the group didn't advance and it's simply because of the format. This GSL season will be a farce because the most talented player in the history of gaming isn't in it. But hey, SPL gets more viewers than GSL already, doesn't crash and lag incessantly, isn't overpriced, and the viewer can actually see the supply counts on the free stream. Kespa is probably smiling at Gom's incompetence. "Flash lost to 2 all-ins, he's the best player, so he should advance." What? oO | ||
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DrakeFZX3
United States925 Posts
On January 07 2013 09:01 LeafMeAlone wrote: He does have some decent points though, I'm fairly certain that Flash would've won vs MC in a Bo3/5 ezpz. Probably could beat JD too since it looked to me like JD did a one-time sniper build just for Flash in their game. And Flash beat Yoda who went 5-1 overall heh. Not saying the rules should be bent or anything, just saying that the format of the Up & Downs doesn't really get the best players. Well how did Flash and JD get to the UP & Downs anyway? They lost their Code A Bo3's. Had they won, they wouldn't even been in this position. | ||
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Baroninthetree
United States473 Posts
On January 07 2013 08:10 Yusei wrote: Flash in Code A again is fine, he's just warming up to Royal Road it when he finally gets there. Happy JD has another chance too. I thought royal road is for those who rise from code a to champ at the first try, since flash is already in code a, still? | ||
Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
On January 07 2013 09:16 Baroninthetree wrote: I thought royal road is for those who rise from code a to champ at the first try, since flash is already in code a, still? Nah GSL gave it to Life for just winning Code S on his first try. He did Code A more than once | ||
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Baroninthetree
United States473 Posts
On January 07 2013 09:22 Shellshock1122 wrote: Nah GSL gave it to Life for just winning Code S on his first try. He did Code A more than once I c, flash did reserve the chance | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On January 07 2013 09:14 ES.Genie wrote: "Flash lost to 2 all-ins, he's the best player, so he should advance." What? oO ^this, so so much. Also, the attack from JD was far from allin (he even got his infestor transition ready), it was pretty standard ling/bling/muta play. And if going zealot->stalker->stalker and then expo is allin, I dont even know what to say. I have seen few guys who are literally doing it almost every game (Naniwa for example). | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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NathanaelOlsen
United States19 Posts
On January 07 2013 09:01 LeafMeAlone wrote: He does have some decent points though, I'm fairly certain that Flash would've won vs MC in a Bo3/5 ezpz. Probably could beat JD too since it looked to me like JD did a one-time sniper build just for Flash in their game. And Flash beat Yoda who went 5-1 overall heh. Not saying the rules should be bent or anything, just saying that the format of the Up & Downs doesn't really get the best players. He does not have a decent point though as you never know what could've happened until it happens. That is his and maybe the majority of opinions, but MC is no scrub. Also the ups and downs is still only one game per person against another player. Every player knows that and they should all be prepared for those rules to be followed. | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On January 07 2013 09:38 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Are people claiming that making units from a single, unproxied Gateway is an all-in? From the same person that said proxy marauders isn't a cheese when Flash does it.... | ||
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GWdeathscythe
Brazil1091 Posts
Is there any vod of their match available? | ||
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decado90
United States480 Posts
On January 07 2013 09:44 vthree wrote: From the same person that said proxy marauders isn't a cheese when Flash does it.... Mc's build wasn't a cheese, and not really an 'all in'. It was just sub optimal, non standard play. Like if a terran built 2 rax's before his first cc against Protoss. You're not all inning, you're simply doing some early marine aggression, but it is non standard and fairly risky against most openers. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4560 Posts
On January 07 2013 10:00 decado90 wrote: Mc's build wasn't a cheese, and not really an 'all in'. It was just sub optimal, non standard play. Like if a terran built 2 rax's before his first cc against Protoss. You're not all inning, you're simply doing some early marine aggression, but it is non standard and fairly risky against most openers. On January 06 2013 21:01 decado90 wrote: Haha, MC cheesy as all hell as always. It's time for you to stop posting. | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On January 07 2013 09:13 DrakeFZX3 wrote: JD's macro was left uninterupted and he rolled in when Flash didn't even have siege mode. It was a complete massacre. MC's 1 zealot/2 Stalker pressure was not an all-in. It was a response to seeing how greedy Flash was playing when he cut out a BUNKER. And he got punished for it. It was a deserved loss. Using Gom's Twitch numbers to compare when they 1)broadcast at a time when most of NA aren't even watching unlike the SPL, 2)it's completely small sample size since it was only 1 1/2 weeks, 3)Gom makes more money and gets most of their views off their subs ANYWAY, so it's a moot point. You might as well argue IPL and NASL replay streams get more viewers live. Plus, that GOM Twitch stream only covered free/standard quality I believe. You could have also been on own3d as well, not JUST twitch. Huge numbers of NA people buy subs for the vods. GOM is not incompetent... they continue to have the best overall production out of any league, ever. Also, U&D has ALWAYS been like this. It's not a test of "who wins in a best of five" it's "who has the best nerves under this kind of pressure" and you need to be able to defend allin stuff. And beating Yoda in a tvt isn't important, you need to have skill in TvZ and TvP regardless of how much "skill" it requires. On January 07 2013 09:34 NathanaelOlsen wrote: He does not have a decent point though as you never know what could've happened until it happens. That is his and maybe the majority of opinions, but MC is no scrub. Also the ups and downs is still only one game per person against another player. Every player knows that and they should all be prepared for those rules to be followed. Up and downs is your punishment for failing to succeed in the Ro24/32. Flash shouldn't have lost to Baby in a Bo3, and then he never would have had to deal with Bo1. That's how it works. It's high pressure for a reason. Also, could you imagine having that many Best of 3's? Instead of 15 Bo1's, you'd have 15 Bo3's. That would halve as much real time as you have, or they would have to not air the games. Also: Baby beat symbol, cool. | ||
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usethis2
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