People prepare really complex builds for this tournament, they practice them and they fight for them. He went for an all in that broke apart like a train on fire. That didn't look like a well prepared/practiced/executed build.

0 fucks were given so I give him one.

Trasko

Sweden983 Posts

December 23 2012 10:14 GMT

#2162

Ahhhhhhhhh sad face ;(
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why did EG have to lose ;(

Skyline026

Netherlands1129 Posts

December 23 2012 10:38 GMT

#2163

On December 23 2012 19:08 Mohdoo wrote:
Sending JYP out instead of Taeja or Hero will go down as the biggest mistake of all time.

Of all time.

Godwrath

Spain10107 Posts

December 23 2012 10:47 GMT

#2164

What the actual fuck, JYP as ace ? Really ? what shit does the coach smoke ?

esdf

Croatia736 Posts

December 23 2012 10:59 GMT

#2165

JYP as ace, you reap what you sow.

KillAudio

1364 Posts

December 23 2012 11:01 GMT

#2166

Just logged in. Why the fuck is JYP ace?

Bibbit

Canada5377 Posts

December 23 2012 11:03 GMT

#2167

On December 23 2012 19:47 Godwrath wrote:
What the actual fuck, JYP as ace ? Really ? what shit does the coach smoke ?

Same as every other proleague coach, you'll have to get used to it

xsnac

Barbados1365 Posts

December 23 2012 11:05 GMT

#2168

lol at every1 . you want to send out taeja vs soulkey ? it was mind game

Elroi

Sweden5585 Posts

December 23 2012 11:10 GMT

#2169

You poach the most clutch player in the world and you send out JYP for ace?

sickoota

Canada918 Posts

December 23 2012 11:20 GMT

#2170

In these sorts of cases I think you have to start by giving the coaches the benefit of the doubt by assuming that they had good reasons for their choices. Coaches decide who to send on what map or who to send as an ace based on information that is almost entirely unavailable to the public i.e who is performing the best in practice games, what players he expects the other team to play on what maps, which maps the coach considers the most important to win ect. One player cannot prepare for every map. It is also important to remember that Starcraft is a game of percentage points. Say a coach, based on all the information available to him, decides that his player has a 60% chance to win on a certain map and a certain matchup. Suppose for argument's sake that this was the objectively "correct" decision for him to make. There is still a 40% chance that his player loses and he is made to look like a fool, of no fault of his own. Today we saw a player renowned as a ZvP sniper as the ace. Instead we saw him play a PvP, a matchup in which he is historically average to poor. He knows he is"gambling" that STX sends out a zerg in which case his player would have advantage, while also banking that JYPs PvP is passable enough that his odds in a PvP aren't too skewed (doesn't have to worry about Terran because... well im not allowed to talk about it in a LR). Even if by all the information available to him the coach made the "right" decision it is still possible for the match to result in a loss. It is also possible for a coach to have no correct choices at all, say if the general skill-level of his team is lower than that of the other team and the general probability distribution of outcomes is skewed towards his opponents (there is no possible choice with an above 50% chance of winning).

Lasbike

France2888 Posts

December 23 2012 11:21 GMT

#2171

Can someone explain why JYP was sent as an ace instead of Jaedong/TaeJa/HerO ?

Edit : ok

sickoota

Canada918 Posts

December 23 2012 11:27 GMT

#2172

double post

mostevil

United Kingdom611 Posts

December 23 2012 11:32 GMT

#2173

Not good, some of the guys are still getting a bit chokey in those proleague booths, but the JYP ace decision was bad by any reconing.

And yeah the pass is worth the price, lot of content for not a lot of money.

Sumahi

Guam5609 Posts

December 23 2012 11:34 GMT

#2174

Damn. I watched the games up until Hero won and I was sure that EG-TL was gonna take it. Proleague can be cruel I'm learning this time around.

THM

Bulgaria1131 Posts

December 23 2012 11:53 GMT

#2175

JYP as ace = fail no matter how you put it.
Oh well, so much for "EG-TL are the favorites for proleague" predictions in the TL articles before proleague started.

vthree

Hong Kong8039 Posts

December 23 2012 12:20 GMT

#2176

On December 23 2012 19:13 ceaRshaf wrote:

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Lol, love these armchair experts that knows how practiced a build is just from watching one game. Obviously, that build was tailor for that map. Did PuMa fail horribly in execution? For sure. But it was obvious that the build was hoping for a late scout and thus a fast expand for P. JYP just panicked when he saw his SCV train get scouted. Although a lot of people here say he would have won if he waited for his SCV train, I will have to look at the replays to see if that was the case. Because I think it still would have been close if his SCV train was there.

It is not like this is the first time in PL that someone messed up...

ZerglingTwins

United States850 Posts

December 23 2012 12:30 GMT

#2177

On December 23 2012 19:08 Mohdoo wrote:
Sending JYP out instead of Taeja or Hero will go down as the biggest mistake of all time.

You will see this kind of "mistakes" over and over again during proleague, nothing new, been there since like forever. Losing make any decision bad.

opterown

Australia54784 Posts

December 23 2012 12:31 GMT

#2178

On December 23 2012 21:30 ZerglingTwins wrote:

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You will see this kind of "mistakes" over and over again during proleague, nothing new, been there since like forever. Losing make any decision bad.

and winning makes the coach seem like a total boss, so yea lol hindsight 20/20

rkshox

Taiwan536 Posts

December 23 2012 12:31 GMT

#2179

is Hwanni coaching? Or just managing? It's hard to believe that Hwanni would make such a poor decision T_T

ZerglingTwins

United States850 Posts

December 23 2012 12:38 GMT

#2180

On December 23 2012 21:31 opterown wrote:

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and winning makes the coach seem like a total boss, so yea lol hindsight 20/20

Too many coaches have been criticized for their lineups many times, this can hardly qualify biggest mistake of the month in proleague. I probably won't even define this as a mistake. "biggest mistake of all time"? drama queen saying.