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ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-23 10:14:16
December 23 2012 10:13 GMT
#2161
On December 23 2012 19:06 derpface wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 18:54 ceaRshaf wrote:
Just watched the vods and I am sooo saad.

1) JD, Tajea and Hero GG dudes. You are really good.
2) JYP broke my heart losing to soulkey after he made him his bitch the whole game. I just think that he deserved to win his game.
3) Puma. Fuck you buddy.
4) JYP as ace?


rofl. "fuck you buddy".
Dont think thats a good thing to say


People prepare really complex builds for this tournament, they practice them and they fight for them. He went for an all in that broke apart like a train on fire. That didn't look like a well prepared/practiced/executed build.

0 fucks were given so I give him one.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
December 23 2012 10:14 GMT
#2162
Ahhhhhhhhh sad face ;(
+ Show Spoiler +
why did EG have to lose ;(
Jaedong <3
Skyline026
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands1129 Posts
December 23 2012 10:38 GMT
#2163
On December 23 2012 19:08 Mohdoo wrote:
Sending JYP out instead of Taeja or Hero will go down as the biggest mistake of all time.



Of all time.
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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10135 Posts
December 23 2012 10:47 GMT
#2164
What the actual fuck, JYP as ace ? Really ? what shit does the coach smoke ?
esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
December 23 2012 10:59 GMT
#2165
JYP as ace, you reap what you sow.
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
KillAudio
Profile Joined October 2010
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-23 11:05:10
December 23 2012 11:01 GMT
#2166
Just logged in. Why the fuck is JYP ace?
From a scale of sheth to idra, how mad are you?
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
December 23 2012 11:03 GMT
#2167
On December 23 2012 19:47 Godwrath wrote:
What the actual fuck, JYP as ace ? Really ? what shit does the coach smoke ?

Same as every other proleague coach, you'll have to get used to it
xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
December 23 2012 11:05 GMT
#2168
lol at every1 . you want to send out taeja vs soulkey ? it was mind game
1/4 \pi \epsilon_0
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-23 11:24:42
December 23 2012 11:10 GMT
#2169
You poach the most clutch player in the world and you send out JYP for ace?
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
sickoota
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada918 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-23 11:40:28
December 23 2012 11:20 GMT
#2170
In these sorts of cases I think you have to start by giving the coaches the benefit of the doubt by assuming that they had good reasons for their choices. Coaches decide who to send on what map or who to send as an ace based on information that is almost entirely unavailable to the public i.e who is performing the best in practice games, what players he expects the other team to play on what maps, which maps the coach considers the most important to win ect. One player cannot prepare for every map. It is also important to remember that Starcraft is a game of percentage points. Say a coach, based on all the information available to him, decides that his player has a 60% chance to win on a certain map and a certain matchup. Suppose for argument's sake that this was the objectively "correct" decision for him to make. There is still a 40% chance that his player loses and he is made to look like a fool, of no fault of his own. Today we saw a player renowned as a ZvP sniper as the ace. Instead we saw him play a PvP, a matchup in which he is historically average to poor. He knows he is"gambling" that STX sends out a zerg in which case his player would have advantage, while also banking that JYPs PvP is passable enough that his odds in a PvP aren't too skewed (doesn't have to worry about Terran because... well im not allowed to talk about it in a LR). Even if by all the information available to him the coach made the "right" decision it is still possible for the match to result in a loss. It is also possible for a coach to have no correct choices at all, say if the general skill-level of his team is lower than that of the other team and the general probability distribution of outcomes is skewed towards his opponents (there is no possible choice with an above 50% chance of winning).
I could spend a while with that smile
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-23 11:22:31
December 23 2012 11:21 GMT
#2171
Can someone explain why JYP was sent as an ace instead of Jaedong/TaeJa/HerO ?

Edit : ok
sickoota
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada918 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-23 11:27:40
December 23 2012 11:27 GMT
#2172
double post
I could spend a while with that smile
mostevil
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom611 Posts
December 23 2012 11:32 GMT
#2173
Not good, some of the guys are still getting a bit chokey in those proleague booths, but the JYP ace decision was bad by any reconing.

And yeah the pass is worth the price, lot of content for not a lot of money.
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Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
December 23 2012 11:34 GMT
#2174
Damn. I watched the games up until Hero won and I was sure that EG-TL was gonna take it. Proleague can be cruel I'm learning this time around.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
THM
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria1131 Posts
December 23 2012 11:53 GMT
#2175
JYP as ace = fail no matter how you put it.
Oh well, so much for "EG-TL are the favorites for proleague" predictions in the TL articles before proleague started.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-23 12:21:46
December 23 2012 12:20 GMT
#2176
On December 23 2012 19:13 ceaRshaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 19:06 derpface wrote:
On December 23 2012 18:54 ceaRshaf wrote:
Just watched the vods and I am sooo saad.

1) JD, Tajea and Hero GG dudes. You are really good.
2) JYP broke my heart losing to soulkey after he made him his bitch the whole game. I just think that he deserved to win his game.
3) Puma. Fuck you buddy.
4) JYP as ace?


rofl. "fuck you buddy".
Dont think thats a good thing to say


People prepare really complex builds for this tournament, they practice them and they fight for them. He went for an all in that broke apart like a train on fire. That didn't look like a well prepared/practiced/executed build.

0 fucks were given so I give him one.


Lol, love these armchair experts that knows how practiced a build is just from watching one game. Obviously, that build was tailor for that map. Did PuMa fail horribly in execution? For sure. But it was obvious that the build was hoping for a late scout and thus a fast expand for P. JYP just panicked when he saw his SCV train get scouted. Although a lot of people here say he would have won if he waited for his SCV train, I will have to look at the replays to see if that was the case. Because I think it still would have been close if his SCV train was there.

It is not like this is the first time in PL that someone messed up...
ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
December 23 2012 12:30 GMT
#2177
On December 23 2012 19:08 Mohdoo wrote:
Sending JYP out instead of Taeja or Hero will go down as the biggest mistake of all time.


You will see this kind of "mistakes" over and over again during proleague, nothing new, been there since like forever. Losing make any decision bad.
Searching for my twin ling brother.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 23 2012 12:31 GMT
#2178
On December 23 2012 21:30 ZerglingTwins wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 19:08 Mohdoo wrote:
Sending JYP out instead of Taeja or Hero will go down as the biggest mistake of all time.


You will see this kind of "mistakes" over and over again during proleague, nothing new, been there since like forever. Losing make any decision bad.

and winning makes the coach seem like a total boss, so yea lol hindsight 20/20
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rkshox
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan536 Posts
December 23 2012 12:31 GMT
#2179
is Hwanni coaching? Or just managing? It's hard to believe that Hwanni would make such a poor decision T_T
@ranleee /// "first we expand, then we defense it'
ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-23 12:39:42
December 23 2012 12:38 GMT
#2180
On December 23 2012 21:31 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 21:30 ZerglingTwins wrote:
On December 23 2012 19:08 Mohdoo wrote:
Sending JYP out instead of Taeja or Hero will go down as the biggest mistake of all time.


You will see this kind of "mistakes" over and over again during proleague, nothing new, been there since like forever. Losing make any decision bad.

and winning makes the coach seem like a total boss, so yea lol hindsight 20/20


Too many coaches have been criticized for their lineups many times, this can hardly qualify biggest mistake of the month in proleague. I probably won't even define this as a mistake. "biggest mistake of all time"? drama queen saying.
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