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eqinf
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany100 Posts
December 23 2012 06:50 GMT
#2121
the taeja game atleast was funny but puma .....................
mvp for bonjwa
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
December 23 2012 06:52 GMT
#2122
^ Oh, come on, don't say you didn't laugh when they pulled out the replay on normal speed.
BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
December 23 2012 06:52 GMT
#2123
On December 23 2012 15:47 Ansinjunger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 15:28 BoZiffer wrote:
On December 23 2012 15:27 Ansinjunger wrote:
I didn't see JYP scout the blink build. What exactly did he see? If there was a twilight council cancel, I'd think players would be more aware of building cancel tactics and that he could adjust a little better. Puma and JYP seem to be lacking patience and trying stuff that is theoretically good but not right for the situation. High ground zealots were a nice idea, but those could have done more beating down immortal shields.

On a side note, it's getting really hard not to use adblock when I hear that same boppy Mini commercial every minute.


The TC was cancelled at about 75% (or greater) completion.



But did JYP see the TC, or just a bunch of stalkers and/or 3 gates or something?

I'm trying to figure out if JYP should have felt really lucky to scout the TC, or if he should have been suspicious that he was allowed to see it or something. I'm just curious how much of it was planned or a snap call (it's smart either way), and in glorious hindsight, it seems like a pretty logical play to make: fake 3 gate blink/robo on Antiga, expand with later robo, defend any 1 base push relatively easily or be ahead economically. I'm wondering if the logic simply breaks down if JYP is able to execute a 3 gate blink himself, or if Shy in fact does something entirely different if he sniffs it out of JYP.

It's not so much clinging to could have beens for EG-TL, since JYP and Puma were playing quite impatiently anyway. I am rather dubious of strategies that rely on tech cancels when the lost resources could make the difference. This is especially possible in PvP, where defender's advantage isn't very much.


Scouted the TC once in the back of the base, went back to the ramp with the scouting probe, and then scouted it again (~75%) at that point, then probe was killed by stalker, then TC cancelled.
His_fas
Profile Joined December 2012
20 Posts
December 23 2012 06:53 GMT
#2124
On December 23 2012 15:47 Ansinjunger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 15:28 BoZiffer wrote:
On December 23 2012 15:27 Ansinjunger wrote:
I didn't see JYP scout the blink build. What exactly did he see? If there was a twilight council cancel, I'd think players would be more aware of building cancel tactics and that he could adjust a little better. Puma and JYP seem to be lacking patience and trying stuff that is theoretically good but not right for the situation. High ground zealots were a nice idea, but those could have done more beating down immortal shields.

On a side note, it's getting really hard not to use adblock when I hear that same boppy Mini commercial every minute.


The TC was cancelled at about 75% (or greater) completion.



But did JYP see the TC, or just a bunch of stalkers and/or 3 gates or something?

I'm trying to figure out if JYP should have felt really lucky to scout the TC, or if he should have been suspicious that he was allowed to see it or something. I'm just curious how much of it was planned or a snap call (it's smart either way), and in glorious hindsight, it seems like a pretty logical play to make: fake 3 gate blink/robo on Antiga, expand with later robo, defend any 1 base push relatively easily or be ahead economically. I'm wondering if the logic simply breaks down if JYP is able to execute a 3 gate blink himself, or if Shy in fact does something entirely different if he sniffs it out of JYP.

It's not so much clinging to could have beens for EG-TL, since JYP and Puma were playing quite impatiently anyway. I am rather dubious of strategies that rely on tech cancels when the lost resources could make the difference. This is especially possible in PvP, where defender's advantage isn't very much.


JYP Lost his mind in this game ... After the scouted the TC he saw no probes, no Stalkers , nothing on the map...sOs wasnt even trying to fake ...
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-23 07:04:26
December 23 2012 07:03 GMT
#2125
Skio>Mech? O.o

lul i'm dumb, wrong thread
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5821 Posts
December 23 2012 07:04 GMT
#2126
On December 23 2012 15:46 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 15:44 oBlade wrote:
On December 23 2012 15:33 Cel.erity wrote:
On December 23 2012 15:29 oBlade wrote:
On December 23 2012 15:26 Cel.erity wrote:
On December 23 2012 15:22 proofy wrote:
On December 23 2012 15:17 UnKooL wrote:
Alex Garfield better throw down the real talk with JYP and Puma, they have not improved in the past year.

Sponsors have never pressured EG for underperforming players, said so by Alex Garfield himself in an interview recently. It's about marketing, not in-game performance.


Pretty much. Don't get me wrong here, Jaedong IS an amazing player, but his signing was still much more about the name and less about his prospective future in SC2. That's why he's being forced to stream random ladder matches instead of practicing, like he'd prefer.

"Forced" lol. It's his employer. He's not taking up all his time streaming like Sea did in a way that would interfere with his real, confidential, practice. He streamed a little bit. He probably also goes to fan meetings and the gym. Does that mean he's being forced to sign autographs and lift weights instead of practicing, like he'd prefer? You're just putting words in his mouth.


That's nonsense. He's obligated by contract to stream for EG, and while I cannot read his mind, I imagine the fact that he only streams when he has to means he cares more about winning than entertaining random people on the internet. This is not a situation unique to Jaedong, and most other teams do not have these types of restrictions. But hey...$$$

I'm not sure on what authority you're speaking to the specifics of Jaedong's contract, but for now I'll skip that, since it's not relevant. It's a contract that he elected to enter. He has a perfectly good contract with T8, and he chose to go on loan. He wants to connect more with fans. With foreign fans. He has wanted that since his time on Hwaseung.

Now, suppose it's in the contract, so what? As I said, he streams a little bit sometimes. That's not the end of the world. It wouldn't be fruitful if he streamed all the time, either. It'd like a kid eating a poisonous amount of chocolate on Halloween or Valentine's Day. It's not useful marketing if you have an endless supply of Jaedong streaming to the point where it becomes common. I mean, fuck, I bet it was in Casy's contract that he had to practice a lot of Starcraft. Does that mean the contract is somehow holding him back when he wants to meet girls instead of practicing and then loses 0-3 to Iris in the 3/4th place match of the OSL? You're harping on this idea of "contract" without really saying anything. Yes, professionals have contracts. That's a good thing for all parties involved.


My point was more about EG's signing practices and how they are more concerned with brand marketing, while other teams are more concerned with making their players better.

Yes, that's a legitimate point in general, but it's not necessary to make things up about JD in the process.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Supah
Profile Joined August 2010
708 Posts
December 23 2012 07:16 GMT
#2127
On December 23 2012 15:53 His_fas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 15:47 Ansinjunger wrote:
On December 23 2012 15:28 BoZiffer wrote:
On December 23 2012 15:27 Ansinjunger wrote:
I didn't see JYP scout the blink build. What exactly did he see? If there was a twilight council cancel, I'd think players would be more aware of building cancel tactics and that he could adjust a little better. Puma and JYP seem to be lacking patience and trying stuff that is theoretically good but not right for the situation. High ground zealots were a nice idea, but those could have done more beating down immortal shields.

On a side note, it's getting really hard not to use adblock when I hear that same boppy Mini commercial every minute.


The TC was cancelled at about 75% (or greater) completion.



But did JYP see the TC, or just a bunch of stalkers and/or 3 gates or something?

I'm trying to figure out if JYP should have felt really lucky to scout the TC, or if he should have been suspicious that he was allowed to see it or something. I'm just curious how much of it was planned or a snap call (it's smart either way), and in glorious hindsight, it seems like a pretty logical play to make: fake 3 gate blink/robo on Antiga, expand with later robo, defend any 1 base push relatively easily or be ahead economically. I'm wondering if the logic simply breaks down if JYP is able to execute a 3 gate blink himself, or if Shy in fact does something entirely different if he sniffs it out of JYP.

It's not so much clinging to could have beens for EG-TL, since JYP and Puma were playing quite impatiently anyway. I am rather dubious of strategies that rely on tech cancels when the lost resources could make the difference. This is especially possible in PvP, where defender's advantage isn't very much.


JYP Lost his mind in this game ... After the scouted the TC he saw no probes, no Stalkers , nothing on the map...sOs wasnt even trying to fake ...


It was a good read by JYP, but his Zealots were bunched and didn't even get to engage due to FF positioning. Pushes like that usually work because the Zealots are spread and hitting things, and the opponent's Immortals are pushed forward. Neither of that happened.
mijellin
Profile Joined November 2008
China740 Posts
December 23 2012 07:18 GMT
#2128
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it also have been wiser to hit 2-3 stalkers at once instead of focusing down on the immortal with the collosus?
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
December 23 2012 07:24 GMT
#2129
Come back to find that EG-TL lost. Why did they send out JYP?O_O
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-23 07:53:44
December 23 2012 07:43 GMT
#2130
dumb loss for EG, really questionable decision to play JYP in the ace, especially when there is JD and I'm not talking about Hero and Taeja, who are even when underperforming play much better.
WhiteSatin
Profile Joined December 2012
United States308 Posts
December 23 2012 07:48 GMT
#2131
I had to leave after the Taeja game and they were 2-2, came back to see the sad news.
I love JYP but I do have to agree, why use him as Ace ? He seems a bit shaky when it matters...
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28095 Posts
December 23 2012 07:49 GMT
#2132
On December 23 2012 16:48 WhiteSatin wrote:
I had to leave after the Taeja game and they were 2-2, came back to see the sad news.
I love JYP but I do have to agree, why use him as Ace ? He seems a bit shaky when it matters...

Yeah, the result is too bad
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Scholes
Profile Joined December 2012
Venezuela312 Posts
December 23 2012 08:20 GMT
#2133
Cure vs Trap = Pretty good
Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
December 23 2012 08:24 GMT
#2134
Is the ace match not for the best players? I mean JYP is a good player but half the roster of TLEG are just better than him.
Big-t
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1350 Posts
December 23 2012 08:25 GMT
#2135
Lol, why JYP as Ace -.-
monchi | IdrA | Flash
ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-23 08:27:37
December 23 2012 08:26 GMT
#2136
On December 23 2012 17:24 USvBleakill wrote:
Is the ace match not for the best players? I mean JYP is a good player but half the roster of TLEG are just better than him.


Coach probably was trying to snipe soulkey with that JYP pick. And SoS was trying to snipe Taeja, I think.
Searching for my twin ling brother.
NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-23 08:29:33
December 23 2012 08:28 GMT
#2137
Hm i dont doubt coach decision, but i wonder why send player who lost already today. They wouldnt have anticipated PvP probably, got tricked.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28095 Posts
December 23 2012 08:32 GMT
#2138
On December 23 2012 17:28 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Hm i dont doubt coach decision, but i wonder why send player who lost already today. They wouldnt have anticipated PvP probably, got tricked.

Yeah, I am sure they had a reason, but just can't see it yet.
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SwizzY
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1549 Posts
December 23 2012 08:41 GMT
#2139
On December 23 2012 17:28 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Hm i dont doubt coach decision, but i wonder why send player who lost already today. They wouldnt have anticipated PvP probably, got tricked.


Exactly. Might be just testing the waters and player potential but that's the best excuse I can come up with. JYP not ace material either.
All that glitters is not gold, all that wander are not lost, the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by frost.
alone
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland410 Posts
December 23 2012 08:51 GMT
#2140
On December 23 2012 15:50 eqinf wrote:
the taeja game atleast was funny but puma .....................


It was funny in a tragic way.
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