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Champloo
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1850 Posts
December 22 2012 03:54 GMT
#41
I want Grubby or Xlord to win, but I think Snute will take it.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 22 2012 06:53 GMT
#42
On December 22 2012 12:01 aleksano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 11:39 JJH777 wrote:
On December 22 2012 10:26 Bagi wrote:
Snute leading the poll? Ridiculous how fickle and easily hyped people are.


Really? Snute looks near invincible in ZvZ recently beating Life, Stephano, TLO, and now Symbol and he has also displayed pretty good ZvT beating people like TheSTC and taking games off Taeja and Bomber. He 4-0'd both his groups in this tournament. He deserves to be leading the poll.


http://gosugamers.net/starcraft2/rankings/
I think he deserves to be among the favourites!

that's a pretty bad rating system tbh, it values 3-2 the same as 3-0
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Venax
Profile Joined October 2010
119 Posts
December 22 2012 07:55 GMT
#43
TLO TLO! Still one of my favorites! I'm so happy that he shows that he still got it
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
December 22 2012 07:59 GMT
#44
MKP needs to win this for the consistency of Koreans beating foreigners. :D
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-22 08:38:50
December 22 2012 08:36 GMT
#45
Well, here are my numbers, for what they are worth. Symbol is a big favourite, after him there is basically Snute, Stephano and Xlord (!).

Yeah, take them with a grain of salt as usual, but I did get all advancees right yesterday, as well as 7 and 6/8 from days 2 and 1 respectively. So I guess it's not total BS.

Note: Third place match ignored.

HSC Bracket

Most likely winners:
      Symbol: 52.68%
      Snute: 17.67%
      Stephano: 11.21%
      XlorD: 10.73%
      TLO: 3.27%
      Grubby: 3.27%
      MarineKing: 0.87%
      BratOK: 0.29%

Life expectancy:
      Symbol: 2.04 rounds (lose in the finals)
      Stephano: 1.36 rounds (lose in the semifinals)
      Snute: 1.27 rounds (lose in the semifinals)
      XlorD: 1.11 rounds (lose in the semifinals)
      Grubby: 0.46 rounds (lose in the quarterfinals)
      TLO: 0.27 rounds (lose in the quarterfinals)
      BratOK: 0.24 rounds (lose in the quarterfinals)
      MarineKing: 0.24 rounds (lose in the quarterfinals)

Detailed placement probabilities

Top 8 Top 4 Top 2 Win
Snute: 33.96% 22.67% 25.70% 17.67%
Grubby: 66.04% 24.77% 5.92% 3.27%
MarineKing: 83.38% 10.30% 5.44% 0.87%
Stephano: 16.62% 42.26% 29.91% 11.21%
XlorD: 21.98% 55.47% 11.82% 10.73%
BratOK: 78.02% 19.96% 1.72% 0.29%
TLO: 83.78% 8.25% 4.69% 3.27%
Symbol: 16.22% 16.32% 14.79% 52.68%

Most likely to be eliminated by...

Snute: Grubby (33.96%) Symbol (20.86%) Stephano (19.58%)
Grubby: Snute (66.04%) Stephano (21.54%) Symbol ( 4.57%)
MarineKing: Stephano (83.38%) Snute ( 7.88%) Symbol ( 3.96%)
Stephano: Snute (35.49%) Symbol (23.29%) MarineKing (16.62%)
XlorD: Symbol (50.37%) BratOK (21.98%) Snute ( 6.06%)
BratOK: XlorD (78.02%) Symbol (17.09%) TLO ( 2.87%)
TLO: Symbol (83.78%) XlorD ( 7.55%) Snute ( 2.50%)
Symbol: TLO (16.22%) XlorD (15.00%) Snute ( 8.40%)


+ Show Spoiler [Snute vs. Grubby] +
Snute wins (66.04%):
      3-0: 20.26%
      3-1: 25.08%
      3-2: 20.70%

Grubby wins (33.96%):
      3-0: 7.03%
      3-1: 12.38%
      3-2: 14.55%

Most likely winner: Snute (66.04%)
Median outcome: Snute 3-2 Grubby

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+ Show Spoiler [MarineKing vs. Stephano] +
MarineKing wins (16.62%):
      3-0: 2.76%
      3-1: 5.78%
      3-2: 8.07%

Stephano wins (83.38%):
      3-0: 33.96%
      3-1: 30.80%
      3-2: 18.62%

Most likely winner: Stephano (83.38%)
Median outcome: MarineKing 1-3 Stephano

[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler [XlorD vs. BratOK] +
XlorD wins (78.02%):
      3-0: 28.76%
      3-1: 29.33%
      3-2: 19.94%

BratOK wins (21.98%):
      3-0: 3.93%
      3-1: 7.78%
      3-2: 10.27%

Most likely winner: XlorD (78.02%)
Median outcome: XlorD 3-1 BratOK

[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler [TLO vs. Symbol] +
TLO wins (16.22%):
      3-0: 2.68%
      3-1: 5.64%
      3-2: 7.90%

Symbol wins (83.78%):
      3-0: 34.40%
      3-1: 30.89%
      3-2: 18.49%

Most likely winner: Symbol (83.78%)
Median outcome: TLO 1-3 Symbol

[image loading]


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Psyclon
Profile Joined July 2010
Bulgaria2443 Posts
December 22 2012 08:57 GMT
#46
5 more hours...i have no idea what i'm going to do until then
Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds!
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
December 22 2012 09:05 GMT
#47
Snute is good, but i really don't think he's gonna win this tournament tbh. really looking forward to it, and really cheering hard for Grubby. unfortunately i will be at work without a way of watching until about 6pm =/
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
December 22 2012 09:29 GMT
#48
Oh my god, I literally could not watch Group D because I thought either/both Grubby and TLO would get eliminated, I wake up to see they advanced over Kas and MC WTF???????

This is like a dream tournament.
#1 Grubby Fan.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 22 2012 09:44 GMT
#49
On December 22 2012 17:36 TheBB wrote:

I think your predictions were a bit more on target with sc2charts haha
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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rafaliusz
Profile Joined December 2009
Poland482 Posts
December 22 2012 09:49 GMT
#50
I think Snute has the best chances to win. He's so smart, so clever and so hardworking. He's just so deserving to win his first big tournament. And he's zerg as well.
brill
Profile Joined December 2012
Ghana12 Posts
December 22 2012 09:51 GMT
#51
[QUOTE]On December 22 2012 17:36 TheBB wrote:

MarineKing wins (16.62%):
      3-0: 2.76%
      3-1: 5.78%
      3-2: 8.07%

Stephano wins (83.38%):
      3-0: 33.96%
      3-1: 30.80%
      3-2: 18.62%

Most likely winner: Stephano (83.38%)
Median outcome: MarineKing 1-3 Stephano



marineking elo: 2311 vsz: 2215

stephano elo: 2298 vst: 2267

how is it 83% that stephano wins then? their elos are pretty close.



endure. in enduring, grow strong.
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
December 22 2012 09:53 GMT
#52
On December 22 2012 10:45 X3GoldDot wrote:
marinekingprime is gonna rock the hell out of this tourny, i have feeling that he will beat stephano without dropping a game and then win the whole thing easily

are we talking 2x proxy rax or are we talking macro game here?
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-22 10:00:04
December 22 2012 09:59 GMT
#53
Wow the top half of this bracket is so stacked. Bottom half Symbol should make it through, although TLO is very skilled and has a decent shot at beating him.
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
December 22 2012 09:59 GMT
#54
On December 22 2012 18:51 brill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 17:36 TheBB wrote:

MarineKing wins (16.62%):
      3-0: 2.76%
      3-1: 5.78%
      3-2: 8.07%

Stephano wins (83.38%):
      3-0: 33.96%
      3-1: 30.80%
      3-2: 18.62%

Most likely winner: Stephano (83.38%)
Median outcome: MarineKing 1-3 Stephano

marineking elo: 2311 vsz: 2215

stephano elo: 2298 vst: 2267

how is it 83% that stephano wins then? their elos are pretty close.

I don't use Elo.

Stephano: http://aligulac.com/players/10/
MarineKing: http://aligulac.com/players/14/
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
furo
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany449 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-22 10:07:51
December 22 2012 10:05 GMT
#55
what i want:
i so want to say grubby but he prolly has to face zerg all the way and i kinda doubt he has that many tricks in his sleaves

so i go with MKP

what will prolly be
zvz final and unless Tarson casts im out
brill
Profile Joined December 2012
Ghana12 Posts
December 22 2012 10:10 GMT
#56
On December 22 2012 18:59 TheBB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 18:51 brill wrote:
On December 22 2012 17:36 TheBB wrote:

MarineKing wins (16.62%):
      3-0: 2.76%
      3-1: 5.78%
      3-2: 8.07%

Stephano wins (83.38%):
      3-0: 33.96%
      3-1: 30.80%
      3-2: 18.62%

Most likely winner: Stephano (83.38%)
Median outcome: MarineKing 1-3 Stephano

marineking elo: 2311 vsz: 2215

stephano elo: 2298 vst: 2267

how is it 83% that stephano wins then? their elos are pretty close.

I don't use Elo.

Stephano: http://aligulac.com/players/10/
MarineKing: http://aligulac.com/players/14/


a quick survey showed me that MKP has roughly 50% percent winrate in tvz in the past 3 months, note that the losses are from much scarier zvt players than stephano, such as life, leenock, hyun, sniper

Stephano has about the same winrate, slightly better, but vs worse quality tvz opponents in average (there are good players but overall worse opponents in average which is logical since he mainly enters foreign tournaments, fewer koreans there)

so while obviously you put a lof of work into that webpage, the predictions often seem way off
endure. in enduring, grow strong.
RiZu
Profile Joined February 2012
Singapore5715 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-22 10:13:09
December 22 2012 10:12 GMT
#57
MC kept on losing to Grubby recently in really close series, good to see grubby doing well but I hope MC will be back soon. TLO looking really strong in HSC but he kept on drawing Zerg in the playoff which he seemed to keep losing. Symbol is really good at ZvZ . Gogo TLO,MKP,Grubby and Xlord!
TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-22 10:16:07
December 22 2012 10:15 GMT
#58
On December 22 2012 19:10 brill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 18:59 TheBB wrote:
On December 22 2012 18:51 brill wrote:
On December 22 2012 17:36 TheBB wrote:

MarineKing wins (16.62%):
      3-0: 2.76%
      3-1: 5.78%
      3-2: 8.07%

Stephano wins (83.38%):
      3-0: 33.96%
      3-1: 30.80%
      3-2: 18.62%

Most likely winner: Stephano (83.38%)
Median outcome: MarineKing 1-3 Stephano

marineking elo: 2311 vsz: 2215

stephano elo: 2298 vst: 2267

how is it 83% that stephano wins then? their elos are pretty close.

I don't use Elo.

Stephano: http://aligulac.com/players/10/
MarineKing: http://aligulac.com/players/14/


a quick survey showed me that MKP has roughly 50% percent winrate in tvz in the past 3 months, note that the losses are from much scarier zvt players than stephano, such as life, leenock, hyun, sniper

Stephano has about the same winrate, slightly better, but vs worse quality tvz opponents in average (there are good players but overall worse opponents in average which is logical since he mainly enters foreign tournaments, fewer koreans there)

so while obviously you put a lof of work into that webpage, the predictions often seem way off


while they seem to be kinda strange often, his prediction turn out to be right scaringly often. Predicting all players who advance in 2nd group stage correctly (with MC and MMA getting eliminated!) is quite impressive
brill
Profile Joined December 2012
Ghana12 Posts
December 22 2012 10:19 GMT
#59
On December 22 2012 19:15 TBO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 19:10 brill wrote:
On December 22 2012 18:59 TheBB wrote:
On December 22 2012 18:51 brill wrote:
On December 22 2012 17:36 TheBB wrote:

MarineKing wins (16.62%):
      3-0: 2.76%
      3-1: 5.78%
      3-2: 8.07%

Stephano wins (83.38%):
      3-0: 33.96%
      3-1: 30.80%
      3-2: 18.62%

Most likely winner: Stephano (83.38%)
Median outcome: MarineKing 1-3 Stephano

marineking elo: 2311 vsz: 2215

stephano elo: 2298 vst: 2267

how is it 83% that stephano wins then? their elos are pretty close.

I don't use Elo.

Stephano: http://aligulac.com/players/10/
MarineKing: http://aligulac.com/players/14/


a quick survey showed me that MKP has roughly 50% percent winrate in tvz in the past 3 months, note that the losses are from much scarier zvt players than stephano, such as life, leenock, hyun, sniper

Stephano has about the same winrate, slightly better, but vs worse quality tvz opponents in average (there are good players but overall worse opponents in average which is logical since he mainly enters foreign tournaments, fewer koreans there)

so while obviously you put a lof of work into that webpage, the predictions often seem way off


while they seem to be kinda strange often, his prediction turn out to be right scaringly often. Predicting all players who advance in 2nd group stage correctly (with MC and MMA getting eliminated!) is quite impressive


yeah I saw the predictions and they are right and seem rational a lot of times. but there are examples where they are way off. I remember a prediction which gave Polt a very bad chance while his race specific elo was better than his opponents and he proceeded to rape the guy. don't remember the specifics though.
endure. in enduring, grow strong.
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
December 22 2012 10:22 GMT
#60
On December 22 2012 17:57 Psyclon wrote:
5 more hours...i have no idea what i'm going to do until then

drinking coffee
dumping something
having a couple of nice saturday hours with GF
eating
watching HSC with friends while getting drunk
Concluding the great day by going out and getting even more drunk
coming home, explaining GF why I am that drunk (must have been something wrong with that beer)
sleeping
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