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On December 16 2012 14:18 Darthsanta13 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 14:12 Scarecrow wrote:On December 16 2012 14:05 rj rl wrote:On December 16 2012 14:01 vthree wrote:On December 16 2012 13:58 rj rl wrote:On December 16 2012 13:55 Zebb wrote:
It must be so frustrating for Blizzard to be held to such a ludicrously high standard for mapmaking, then have someone at kespa vomit up something like arkanoid and watch all the fanboys go nuts over it. Don't get me wrong, Proleague is the IDEAL place to see crazy maps like this, and I am a huge fan of the format and games it produces, but arkanoid isn't even comparable to the kind of maps that are in GSL or WCS.
because why, it hasn't 9000 games played on it? Like ohana does (~7000wonwon), like CK does (bl\infestor everytime)? Why so close-minded and kespa-hating lol Lol, Kespa hating? He said PL was the IDEAL place to test these maps... How is that Kespa hating??? Fanboy much? a good place to test shit maps is a shit league, should i explain further what did he mean? You've misinterpreted what he was saying, he's a "huge fan of the format and games it produces" Also the scene is in far better hands with the kespa professional mapmakers switching than the guys at blizz who are largely clueless and just put out boring, macro maps these days to keep the community happy. I agree with what you're saying, but I think Blizzard mapmakers just fill a different niche than Kespa mapmakers. Blizzard is trying to make maps that appeal to everyone, from ladder all the way up to pro play. Kespa is trying to make maps that shake up the metagame, and that can be played in very controlled circumstances by pros who practice for a week for a single game in a known matchup. I like how out there Arkanoid is and everything, but if I had to choose between laddering and even individual tournaments on a conventional map pool, or the Proleague map pool, I would take the safer, more generic maps in a heart beat. That's not to say that Kespa can't or won't make maps that could work in a conventional map pool, but as it is right now, they're probably more concerned with pushing boundaries than making maps that could work in any other tournament or ladder.
Plus, aren't the new maps based off BW maps? So that probably makes it harder to make it 'conventional'.
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On December 16 2012 14:19 PraiseB wrote:
The chat in the Korean stream is becoming embarrassing, bunch if idiots making fools of them selves trying to show off to the Koreans.
^ This. How can people be so idiot?
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On December 16 2012 14:19 PraiseB wrote:
The chat in the Korean stream is becoming embarrassing, bunch if idiots making fools of them selves trying to show off to the Koreans.
I wish they'd realize this might lead to access to this excellent stream being pulled for people not in Korea in the future... 
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On December 16 2012 14:21 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 14:19 ne4aJIb wrote:On December 16 2012 14:17 Fionn wrote:
Shine looks like a fucked up version of aLive.
Or aLive looks like a fucked up version of Shine. Why I can't report your message? =/ TL staff immunity fionn can say whatever he wants now !
I get paid in times I'm allowed to make jokes about players.
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On December 16 2012 14:14 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 14:07 Adreme wrote:On December 16 2012 14:05 rj rl wrote:On December 16 2012 14:01 vthree wrote:On December 16 2012 13:58 rj rl wrote:On December 16 2012 13:55 Zebb wrote:
It must be so frustrating for Blizzard to be held to such a ludicrously high standard for mapmaking, then have someone at kespa vomit up something like arkanoid and watch all the fanboys go nuts over it. Don't get me wrong, Proleague is the IDEAL place to see crazy maps like this, and I am a huge fan of the format and games it produces, but arkanoid isn't even comparable to the kind of maps that are in GSL or WCS.
because why, it hasn't 9000 games played on it? Like ohana does (~7000wonwon), like CK does (bl\infestor everytime)? Why so close-minded and kespa-hating lol Lol, Kespa hating? He said PL was the IDEAL place to test these maps... How is that Kespa hating??? Fanboy much? a good place to test shit maps is a shit league, should i explain further what did he mean? No because I agree with what he said about Proleague being perfect place to test maps and not for the reason you made up. Its perfect because if a map is imbalanced you just dont play that race on it. Thats why they could make a map that is only good for TvT in proleague and it would be fine because you can just send out terrans for it. dont forget KeSPA has their map strictly tested by proteams as well. And so far theres no map that frequently features only once race, albeit a few PvP on Caldeum. At the same time, just look at Kerrigan Altar LE or Wonwonwonhana. Just tell me which map needs to be phased out after Round 1 please, no bias please. People calling Proleague a map-testing league just because their maps are unique is pure shortsighted
Different races are coming out because nobody has any idea what they're doing. Metagame takes sooooo looooong to develop.
Here's my question, now that I've thought about it: How can "interesting" maps (like Arkanoid) make their way into non-proleage format tournaments (like GSL) in a way that is tolerable to the tournaments, players, and community? The idea that mapmakers throw so much random stuff at players that the metagame can't keep up seems like a poor way to develop real game balance. But too much stability feels "stale" for the community. What was the situation like in BW? Was balance achieved through a deluge of unique maps that kept the metagame from stabilizing, or was there a standard (stale?) maptype with only minor differences between maps?
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On December 16 2012 14:20 Fionn wrote:
It was a joke.
Calm down.
Alive and Shine are both good looking guys with manly chins.
Alright then, thanks.
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On December 16 2012 14:21 Proseat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 14:19 PraiseB wrote:
The chat in the Korean stream is becoming embarrassing, bunch if idiots making fools of them selves trying to show off to the Koreans. I wish they'd realize this might lead to access to this excellent stream being pulled for people not in Korea in the future...
I am 100% positive they realize that.
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On December 16 2012 14:22 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 14:20 Fionn wrote:
It was a joke.
Calm down.
Alive and Shine are both good looking guys with manly chins. Little "fucked up", no?
I feel bad about my joke now. I apologize to Shine and Alive.
But they do look similar.
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The lag on this KOR stream is fucking ungodly for me. Please hurry TB.
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On December 16 2012 14:16 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 14:12 Scarecrow wrote:On December 16 2012 14:05 rj rl wrote:On December 16 2012 14:01 vthree wrote:On December 16 2012 13:58 rj rl wrote:On December 16 2012 13:55 Zebb wrote:
It must be so frustrating for Blizzard to be held to such a ludicrously high standard for mapmaking, then have someone at kespa vomit up something like arkanoid and watch all the fanboys go nuts over it. Don't get me wrong, Proleague is the IDEAL place to see crazy maps like this, and I am a huge fan of the format and games it produces, but arkanoid isn't even comparable to the kind of maps that are in GSL or WCS.
because why, it hasn't 9000 games played on it? Like ohana does (~7000wonwon), like CK does (bl\infestor everytime)? Why so close-minded and kespa-hating lol Lol, Kespa hating? He said PL was the IDEAL place to test these maps... How is that Kespa hating??? Fanboy much? a good place to test shit maps is a shit league, should i explain further what did he mean? You've misinterpreted what he was saying, he's a "huge fan of the format and games it produces" Also the scene is in far better hands with the kespa professional mapmakers switching than the guys at blizz who are largely clueless and just put out boring, macro maps these days to keep the community happy. these "kespa professional mapmakers" are the same guys who made daybreak, calm before the storm, whirlwind, etc
except that Proleague etc are made-to-order maps. GOM probably ditches those in favor of normal ramp, easy 3 bases map while KeSPA order mapmakers to revive Arkanoid, Bifrost, Python, Nostalgia (those two somehow didnt make it) and create some weird others (transistor etc)
It's a matter of direction. New Initiation vs Global Standard. I personally would stick with the former.
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Fenrax
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On December 16 2012 14:22 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 14:20 Fionn wrote:
It was a joke.
Calm down.
Alive and Shine are both good looking guys with manly chins. Little "fucked up", no?
Email his sponsors!
calm down, nothing happened
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Well, the korean stream chat is a complete disaster lol.
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On December 16 2012 14:22 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 14:22 Zenbrez wrote:On December 16 2012 14:20 Fionn wrote:
It was a joke.
Calm down.
Alive and Shine are both good looking guys with manly chins. Little "fucked up", no? I feel bad about my joke now. I apologize to Shine and Alive. But they do look similar.
Who was the Zerg yesterday, i think the one who held off the 6-7 gate, he looked like the love child of MC and Nestea.
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I think Fionn's sponsor is waxangel
email his waxangel
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Proleague where I can always count on at least one protoss to go stargate. ^-^
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I'm happy now I didn't write out my joke about Shine and Alive.
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On December 16 2012 14:23 nmetasch wrote:
Well, the korean stream chat is a complete disaster lol.
Thought it was a standard rule by now(close em), stream chats for events are always bad as fuck...
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wow the chat on the Korean stream is really upsetting me.
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now the stream has black borders...
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EPT
