For me, absolutely. It doesn't matter that I don't understand them, I know the game well enough to follow on my own. But they are just so fucking hyped it makes me more excited.

Or other people have different opinions. Damn people. I like to listen to these two. I must be wrong!

Zenbrez

Canada5973 Posts

December 16 2012 09:23 GMT

#2586

If EGTL wins they're going to go from -4 to -3, lol. Working for every point!

aRyuujin

United States5049 Posts

December 16 2012 09:23 GMT

#2587

On December 16 2012 18:23 Die4Ever wrote:

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#2, Stephano is way better, Jaedong really needs to learn to practice like a korean if he wants to be the best foreigner like Stephano

so much win

casualman

United States1198 Posts

December 16 2012 09:23 GMT

#2588

On December 16 2012 18:21 Caihead wrote:

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quick make unreasonable demands to see their birth certificates

Hey, JYP won in proleague. Based off of TL's opinion, there's 0% chance JYP is foreign. Zenio, though......I can understand.

mijellin

China740 Posts

December 16 2012 09:23 GMT

#2589

On December 16 2012 18:21 Wolfswood wrote:

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For me, absolutely. It doesn't matter that I don't understand them, I know the game well enough to follow on my own. But they are just so fucking hyped it makes me more excited.

Damn... But as someone who's never played SC 2 and exclusively watches, casters typically still point out a lot of things that I would not notice/understand.

So conflicted.

fuzzylogic44

Canada2633 Posts

December 16 2012 09:23 GMT

#2590

I just realized I've been watching this for over 6 hours. Never bored.

wanted2brek

10 Posts

December 16 2012 09:24 GMT

#2591

On December 16 2012 18:21 Wombat_NI wrote:

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On December 16 2012 18:17 monkybone wrote:

On December 16 2012 18:14 Wombat_NI wrote:

On December 16 2012 18:12 monkybone wrote:

On December 16 2012 18:07 Exarl25 wrote:

On December 16 2012 18:04 Vanadium wrote:

On December 16 2012 17:59 Exarl25 wrote:

On December 16 2012 17:56 monkybone wrote:

On December 16 2012 17:54 Exarl25 wrote:

On December 16 2012 17:51 monkybone wrote:
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Sure, if all you're interested in is entertaining games. A competitive RTS is more about entertainment, there is supposed to be a developed strategic skillset involved. That's what keeps it interesting in the long run anyway.

Mindlessly doing the exact same cookie cutter build every single game on every single map is not a developed strategic skillset. Here we see those who prepare for a map, come up with their own strategies, actually adapt and play smart are those who do well.

Playing the metagame is nothing like doing the exact same old cookie cutter build... You have no idea what you're talking about.

These days it is. Sure it's important to have some degree of consistency to allow a metagame to develop. But what we see in SC2 now is not a developing metagame, it's stagnation. Every game plays out the same, every map plays out the same. It's boring as shit. You need to keep things fresh and reward innovation.

Some crazy new maps to shake things up a bit are a very welcome addition and long overdue. The overwhelmingly favorable response should be proof enough of that.

I don't think we ought to conflate his point on the metagame with the fact that the current metagame is stale. These are separate issues. I don't think his point was ever that there should never be new maps, it's that really odd maps can be gimmicky, which is something that COULD happen to Arkanoid. Some clever player might just figure out the map, and then it'll be a never-ending litany of mirror matchups with the same build. This is just as bad of a metagame.

If that happens then you scrap the map. You should constantly be introducing new ones anyway. Often maps can produce incredible games at first until it's flaws are figured out and when that happens you just move on to something else. Daybreak is a prime example of this. Universally loved at first that map should have been retired long ago because these days it produces the most boring PvZ games possible.

I agree that the current map pool is stale, and new maps should be introduced more often. Preferably not too many large maps either. But introducing maps such as arkanoid is not the solution.

Also, don't confuse 'playing the metagame' with playing standard. There are hundreds of different builds and strategies for every race in sc2 right now, there is a ton of potential for different and interesting games.

Yeah we do see a lot of variation in PvZ especially in the current map pool don't we?

Still, the problems with the maps when a matchup becomes stale are subtle. A slightly less defensible third, a slightly larger choke to the natural, and small stuff like that is all it takes to make a difference. The reason for PvZ being stale is that we only see PvZ on the same old maps over and over. But new maps does bring out new stuff despite not being retarded such as arkanoid. You can't play PvZ on abyssal city like you do on daybreak.

Entombed Valley has an easier to defend 3rd and is the archetypal Protoss turtle map. Abyssal and Dual Sight are terrible maps for taking a third, so we see a ton of 2 base allins from Protoss. Neither is particularly interesting, but yeah point taken.

IMO this is the last amazing 4player map i played on the ladder, better than antiga and entombed which have very lame problems (antiga hard to take 4th, entombed too easy to take third)

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Nerazim_Crypt

i wish some great 4player maps existed right now in the sc2 scene, but really all the 4player maps are pretty bad

wish map creators tried hard to create a great 4player map (where all 4 spawn locations are allowed and balanced) im sure its possible

imo a great 4player map is so amazing to watch with the early scouting needed to do

FeltFace

Australia577 Posts

December 16 2012 09:24 GMT

#2592

Only with EGTL, this is entertainment!

Erik.TheRed

United States1655 Posts

December 16 2012 09:24 GMT

#2593

One day, we will see a match of HerO vs herO.

Alas, today is not that day.