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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 16 2012 09:22 GMT
#2581
korean casters ain't got nothing on VASAcast
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
December 16 2012 09:22 GMT
#2582
I hope Taeja step up his TvP. Everyone knows he plays safe mmm macro play. He needs to learn from Mvp.
Chicken gank op
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
December 16 2012 09:22 GMT
#2583
I don't care who wins as long as it's herO(join) and gives me those sweet points!
The curse is real
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17750 Posts
December 16 2012 09:23 GMT
#2584
On December 16 2012 18:21 Shellshock1122 wrote:
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On December 16 2012 18:20 Talin wrote:
On December 16 2012 18:19 foxmeep wrote:
On December 16 2012 18:18 Fearest wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:47 Ammanas wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean


JYP is also Korean... ;-)


haha sorry i don't know what i was thinking,
I think he was Zenio for some reason -__-


Zenio is Korean too bro, lol


He must have meant to say it was really Sea.

Jaedong* #1 foreigner

#2, Stephano is way better, Jaedong really needs to learn to practice like a korean if he wants to be the best foreigner like Stephano
"Expert" mods4ever.com
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 09:23:23
December 16 2012 09:23 GMT
#2585
On December 16 2012 18:21 Wolfswood wrote:
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On December 16 2012 18:19 mijellin wrote:
On December 16 2012 18:18 Wolfswood wrote:
On December 16 2012 18:16 Tobblish wrote:
Wait theres still people that don't watch via the korean restream page?...
sadly the majority of sc2 fans still have yet to realize that Korean casters are like +5 awesomeness



Is that true for non Korean viewers?
For me, absolutely. It doesn't matter that I don't understand them, I know the game well enough to follow on my own. But they are just so fucking hyped it makes me more excited.

Or other people have different opinions. Damn people. I like to listen to these two. I must be wrong!
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
December 16 2012 09:23 GMT
#2586
If EGTL wins they're going to go from -4 to -3, lol. Working for every point!
Refer to my post.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
December 16 2012 09:23 GMT
#2587
On December 16 2012 18:23 Die4Ever wrote:
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On December 16 2012 18:21 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 16 2012 18:20 Talin wrote:
On December 16 2012 18:19 foxmeep wrote:
On December 16 2012 18:18 Fearest wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:47 Ammanas wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean


JYP is also Korean... ;-)


haha sorry i don't know what i was thinking,
I think he was Zenio for some reason -__-


Zenio is Korean too bro, lol


He must have meant to say it was really Sea.

Jaedong* #1 foreigner

#2, Stephano is way better, Jaedong really needs to learn to practice like a korean if he wants to be the best foreigner like Stephano


so much win
can i get my estro logo back pls
casualman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1198 Posts
December 16 2012 09:23 GMT
#2588
On December 16 2012 18:21 Caihead wrote:
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On December 16 2012 18:21 Goibon wrote:
I'm beginning to question the ethnicity of JYP and Zenio now. I demand an inquest.


quick make unreasonable demands to see their birth certificates

Hey, JYP won in proleague. Based off of TL's opinion, there's 0% chance JYP is foreign. Zenio, though......I can understand.
GuMiho <3
mijellin
Profile Joined November 2008
China740 Posts
December 16 2012 09:23 GMT
#2589
On December 16 2012 18:21 Wolfswood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 18:19 mijellin wrote:
On December 16 2012 18:18 Wolfswood wrote:
On December 16 2012 18:16 Tobblish wrote:
Wait theres still people that don't watch via the korean restream page?...
sadly the majority of sc2 fans still have yet to realize that Korean casters are like +5 awesomeness



Is that true for non Korean viewers?
For me, absolutely. It doesn't matter that I don't understand them, I know the game well enough to follow on my own. But they are just so fucking hyped it makes me more excited.


Damn... But as someone who's never played SC 2 and exclusively watches, casters typically still point out a lot of things that I would not notice/understand.

So conflicted.
fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
December 16 2012 09:23 GMT
#2590
I just realized I've been watching this for over 6 hours. Never bored.
wanted2brek
Profile Joined December 2012
10 Posts
December 16 2012 09:24 GMT
#2591
On December 16 2012 18:21 Wombat_NI wrote:
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On December 16 2012 18:17 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 18:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
On December 16 2012 18:12 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 18:07 Exarl25 wrote:
On December 16 2012 18:04 Vanadium wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:59 Exarl25 wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:56 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:54 Exarl25 wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:51 monkybone wrote:
[quote]

Sure, if all you're interested in is entertaining games. A competitive RTS is more about entertainment, there is supposed to be a developed strategic skillset involved. That's what keeps it interesting in the long run anyway.


Mindlessly doing the exact same cookie cutter build every single game on every single map is not a developed strategic skillset. Here we see those who prepare for a map, come up with their own strategies, actually adapt and play smart are those who do well.


Playing the metagame is nothing like doing the exact same old cookie cutter build... You have no idea what you're talking about.


These days it is. Sure it's important to have some degree of consistency to allow a metagame to develop. But what we see in SC2 now is not a developing metagame, it's stagnation. Every game plays out the same, every map plays out the same. It's boring as shit. You need to keep things fresh and reward innovation.

Some crazy new maps to shake things up a bit are a very welcome addition and long overdue. The overwhelmingly favorable response should be proof enough of that.


I don't think we ought to conflate his point on the metagame with the fact that the current metagame is stale. These are separate issues. I don't think his point was ever that there should never be new maps, it's that really odd maps can be gimmicky, which is something that COULD happen to Arkanoid. Some clever player might just figure out the map, and then it'll be a never-ending litany of mirror matchups with the same build. This is just as bad of a metagame.


If that happens then you scrap the map. You should constantly be introducing new ones anyway. Often maps can produce incredible games at first until it's flaws are figured out and when that happens you just move on to something else. Daybreak is a prime example of this. Universally loved at first that map should have been retired long ago because these days it produces the most boring PvZ games possible.


I agree that the current map pool is stale, and new maps should be introduced more often. Preferably not too many large maps either. But introducing maps such as arkanoid is not the solution.

Also, don't confuse 'playing the metagame' with playing standard. There are hundreds of different builds and strategies for every race in sc2 right now, there is a ton of potential for different and interesting games.

Yeah we do see a lot of variation in PvZ especially in the current map pool don't we?


Still, the problems with the maps when a matchup becomes stale are subtle. A slightly less defensible third, a slightly larger choke to the natural, and small stuff like that is all it takes to make a difference. The reason for PvZ being stale is that we only see PvZ on the same old maps over and over. But new maps does bring out new stuff despite not being retarded such as arkanoid. You can't play PvZ on abyssal city like you do on daybreak.

Entombed Valley has an easier to defend 3rd and is the archetypal Protoss turtle map. Abyssal and Dual Sight are terrible maps for taking a third, so we see a ton of 2 base allins from Protoss. Neither is particularly interesting, but yeah point taken.



IMO this is the last amazing 4player map i played on the ladder, better than antiga and entombed which have very lame problems (antiga hard to take 4th, entombed too easy to take third)


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Nerazim_Crypt



i wish some great 4player maps existed right now in the sc2 scene, but really all the 4player maps are pretty bad


wish map creators tried hard to create a great 4player map (where all 4 spawn locations are allowed and balanced) im sure its possible


imo a great 4player map is so amazing to watch with the early scouting needed to do
FeltFace
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia577 Posts
December 16 2012 09:24 GMT
#2592
Only with EGTL, this is entertainment!
Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
December 16 2012 09:24 GMT
#2593
One day, we will see a match of HerO vs herO.

Alas, today is not that day.
"See you space cowboy"
booksmartguy
Profile Joined December 2012
United States45 Posts
December 16 2012 09:24 GMT
#2594
They don't choose on the fly who's the ace player.
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2337 Posts
December 16 2012 09:24 GMT
#2595
On December 16 2012 18:22 StarStruck wrote:
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On December 16 2012 18:21 Goibon wrote:
I'm beginning to question the ethnicity of JYP and Zenio now. I demand an inquest.


Let's look at their urine samples before SeleCt flips a table. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


You can tell someone is Korean just from their piss? That is incredible!
Azhrei16
Profile Joined August 2011
United States284 Posts
December 16 2012 09:24 GMT
#2596
On December 16 2012 18:23 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
I just realized I've been watching this for over 6 hours. Never bored.


Right there with ya, most fun I've had watching SC2 in a long time
casualman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1198 Posts
December 16 2012 09:24 GMT
#2597
That unbuilt supply depot looks so small for some reason
GuMiho <3
Doko
Profile Joined May 2010
Argentina1737 Posts
December 16 2012 09:24 GMT
#2598
Jaedong must be feeling weird not being the person responsible for the ace heh
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
December 16 2012 09:24 GMT
#2599
Plz Taeja, Plz...Win it for your team....Taeja.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
December 16 2012 09:24 GMT
#2600
I love how Fearest successfully stayed relevant for like 6 pages xD
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
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