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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
December 16 2012 09:19 GMT
#2541
On December 16 2012 18:18 gh0stsquall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 18:18 Wolfswood wrote:
On December 16 2012 18:16 Tobblish wrote:
Wait theres still people that don't watch via the korean restream page?...
sadly the majority of sc2 fans still have yet to realize that Korean casters are like +5 awesomeness


hipster nerds lol

Indeed
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
December 16 2012 09:19 GMT
#2542
On December 16 2012 18:18 Fearest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:47 Ammanas wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean


JYP is also Korean... ;-)


haha sorry i don't know what i was thinking,
I think he was Zenio for some reason -__-


you do realize Zenio is korean too lolol
can i get my estro logo back pls
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
December 16 2012 09:19 GMT
#2543
On December 16 2012 18:18 Fearest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:47 Ammanas wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean


JYP is also Korean... ;-)


haha sorry i don't know what i was thinking,
I think he was Zenio for some reason -__-

who is also korean =.=
casualman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1198 Posts
December 16 2012 09:19 GMT
#2544
On an unrelated note I hate how Samsung has lost 3-4 twice in a row now. January must understand that Roro is not an ace match player. He's fucking Roro, after all; a master troll. You can't expect him to do well, he only wins when he is sent out as a suicide.
GuMiho <3
mijellin
Profile Joined November 2008
China740 Posts
December 16 2012 09:19 GMT
#2545
On December 16 2012 18:18 Wolfswood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 18:16 Tobblish wrote:
Wait theres still people that don't watch via the korean restream page?...
sadly the majority of sc2 fans still have yet to realize that Korean casters are like +5 awesomeness



Is that true for non Korean viewers?
Moka
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada942 Posts
December 16 2012 09:19 GMT
#2546
On December 16 2012 18:18 Fearest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:47 Ammanas wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean


JYP is also Korean... ;-)


haha sorry i don't know what i was thinking,
I think he was Zenio for some reason -__-

But Zenio is also Korean..? o.O
ヾ(@⌒_⌒@)ノ
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 16 2012 09:19 GMT
#2547
On December 16 2012 18:18 Fearest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:47 Ammanas wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean


JYP is also Korean... ;-)


haha sorry i don't know what i was thinking,
I think he was Zenio for some reason -__-


I don't even.
ExceeD_DreaM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada500 Posts
December 16 2012 09:19 GMT
#2548
On December 16 2012 18:19 mijellin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 18:18 Wolfswood wrote:
On December 16 2012 18:16 Tobblish wrote:
Wait theres still people that don't watch via the korean restream page?...
sadly the majority of sc2 fans still have yet to realize that Korean casters are like +5 awesomeness



Is that true for non Korean viewers?


Yes
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2320 Posts
December 16 2012 09:19 GMT
#2549
On December 16 2012 18:18 Fearest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:47 Ammanas wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean


JYP is also Korean... ;-)


haha sorry i don't know what i was thinking,
I think he was Zenio for some reason -__-


Zenio is Korean too bro, lol
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
December 16 2012 09:20 GMT
#2550
On December 16 2012 18:19 casualman wrote:
On an unrelated note I hate how Samsung has lost 3-4 twice in a row now. January must understand that Roro is not an ace match player. He's fucking Roro, after all; a master troll. You can't expect him to do well, he only wins when he is sent out as a suicide.


who else to send out?
Jangbi and Stork need time and a different race...
can i get my estro logo back pls
Vanadium
Profile Joined December 2012
481 Posts
December 16 2012 09:20 GMT
#2551
On December 16 2012 18:18 Fearest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:47 Ammanas wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean


JYP is also Korean... ;-)


haha sorry i don't know what i was thinking,
I think he was Zenio for some reason -__-

Bahahahahahahaha, oh man, that's gold.
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
December 16 2012 09:20 GMT
#2552
On December 16 2012 18:17 monkybone wrote:
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On December 16 2012 18:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
On December 16 2012 18:12 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 18:07 Exarl25 wrote:
On December 16 2012 18:04 Vanadium wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:59 Exarl25 wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:56 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:54 Exarl25 wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:51 monkybone wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:48 andaylin wrote:
[quote]
Oh please stop with the metagame thing. I don't want to see the same shit every game and it's obvious these new maps are being well received. Watch some games on the map before you say if doesn't produce competitive games.


Sure, if all you're interested in is entertaining games. A competitive RTS is more about entertainment, there is supposed to be a developed strategic skillset involved. That's what keeps it interesting in the long run anyway.


Mindlessly doing the exact same cookie cutter build every single game on every single map is not a developed strategic skillset. Here we see those who prepare for a map, come up with their own strategies, actually adapt and play smart are those who do well.


Playing the metagame is nothing like doing the exact same old cookie cutter build... You have no idea what you're talking about.


These days it is. Sure it's important to have some degree of consistency to allow a metagame to develop. But what we see in SC2 now is not a developing metagame, it's stagnation. Every game plays out the same, every map plays out the same. It's boring as shit. You need to keep things fresh and reward innovation.

Some crazy new maps to shake things up a bit are a very welcome addition and long overdue. The overwhelmingly favorable response should be proof enough of that.


I don't think we ought to conflate his point on the metagame with the fact that the current metagame is stale. These are separate issues. I don't think his point was ever that there should never be new maps, it's that really odd maps can be gimmicky, which is something that COULD happen to Arkanoid. Some clever player might just figure out the map, and then it'll be a never-ending litany of mirror matchups with the same build. This is just as bad of a metagame.


If that happens then you scrap the map. You should constantly be introducing new ones anyway. Often maps can produce incredible games at first until it's flaws are figured out and when that happens you just move on to something else. Daybreak is a prime example of this. Universally loved at first that map should have been retired long ago because these days it produces the most boring PvZ games possible.


I agree that the current map pool is stale, and new maps should be introduced more often. Preferably not too many large maps either. But introducing maps such as arkanoid is not the solution.

Also, don't confuse 'playing the metagame' with playing standard. There are hundreds of different builds and strategies for every race in sc2 right now, there is a ton of potential for different and interesting games.

Yeah we do see a lot of variation in PvZ especially in the current map pool don't we?


Still, the problems with the maps when a matchup becomes stale are subtle. A slightly less defensible third, a slightly larger choke to the natural, and small stuff like that is all it takes to make a difference. The reason for PvZ being stale is that we only see PvZ on the same old maps over and over. But new maps does bring out new stuff despite not being retarded such as arkanoid. You can't play PvZ on abyssal city like you do on daybreak.

You just fucking hate the map because of the rocks. all games i saw on this map. besides the thorzain trash game were fucking nice

so mb get the rock out of your ass and mb someday you will like rocks. BW also had "rocks" and it was perfectly fine. they even had "rocks" stacked on each other.
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
December 16 2012 09:20 GMT
#2553
On December 16 2012 18:18 dynwar7 wrote:
So basically if a series goes to 3-3, the ace match will be played right? And who will be playing? Will the respective coaches pick the players?


Literally two posts above yours:

On December 16 2012 18:18 Proseat wrote:
Aces are picked before they are announced. Each team picks a player, writes his name on a piece of paper, and hands it to the KeSPA refs. Accordingly, the players will then step onto the stage when announced.


“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
casualman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1198 Posts
December 16 2012 09:20 GMT
#2554
On December 16 2012 18:19 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 18:18 Fearest wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:47 Ammanas wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean


JYP is also Korean... ;-)


haha sorry i don't know what i was thinking,
I think he was Zenio for some reason -__-


I don't even.

Fearest you need to hit the sacks, man. You aren't making an iota of sense.
GuMiho <3
Ydriel
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Italy516 Posts
December 16 2012 09:20 GMT
#2555
On December 16 2012 18:15 casualman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 18:14 synapse wrote:
On December 16 2012 18:12 Ydriel wrote:
Man, gotta say, after pl started, it's been pretty much 90% of all SC2 I've watched, and it has delivered the most fun games ^^ Let's hope for a great game! Gogo Taeja ^^


You never know whats gonna happen in PL xD

hoping for a good game~

Wait. Have any of you actually watched the GSTL games. Proleague games and GSL games honestly don't come close to GSTL quality, I think.


I'll admit I haven't watched GSTL lately, but it has never stood out for me (relatively speaking) as far as quality games go.
The maps are as stale as GSL in the end :/ Also, I'm not a fan of the format. That said, I guess I might catch up with any recommended games.

People are complaining about Kespa maps, but I think so far they've been great. Perhaps they have racial imbalance, but it's not like these are Ladder maps, teams know what maps they'll be playing, just send players you think will perform well. Arkanoid might be a gimmicky map and slightly Zerg imbalanced as people said, but it has delivered strong games.
<3 SC2 <3<3 Dota 2. Steam ID: HellS
Azhrei16
Profile Joined August 2011
United States284 Posts
December 16 2012 09:20 GMT
#2556
On December 16 2012 18:20 Vanadium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 18:18 Fearest wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:47 Ammanas wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean


JYP is also Korean... ;-)


haha sorry i don't know what i was thinking,
I think he was Zenio for some reason -__-

Bahahahahahahaha, oh man, that's gold.


I think he was thinking about IdrA
kochujang
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1226 Posts
December 16 2012 09:20 GMT
#2557
lol @Fearest
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
December 16 2012 09:20 GMT
#2558
On December 16 2012 18:19 foxmeep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 18:18 Fearest wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:47 Ammanas wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean


JYP is also Korean... ;-)


haha sorry i don't know what i was thinking,
I think he was Zenio for some reason -__-


Zenio is Korean too bro, lol


He must have meant to say it was really Sea.
j4vz
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada976 Posts
December 16 2012 09:21 GMT
#2559
On December 16 2012 18:19 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 18:18 Fearest wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:47 Ammanas wrote:
On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean


JYP is also Korean... ;-)


haha sorry i don't know what i was thinking,
I think he was Zenio for some reason -__-


I don't even.


LOL he has to be trollin
someone_elses_lies@live.fr
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
December 16 2012 09:21 GMT
#2560
I'm beginning to question the ethnicity of JYP and Zenio now. I demand an inquest.
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
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