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at least EGTL fangirls are stronger. Team Taeja win pls!
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United States97276 Posts
On December 16 2012 18:20 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 18:19 foxmeep wrote:On December 16 2012 18:18 Fearest wrote:On December 16 2012 17:47 Ammanas wrote:On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean JYP is also Korean... ;-) haha sorry i don't know what i was thinking, I think he was Zenio for some reason -__- Zenio is Korean too bro, lol He must have meant to say it was really Sea.
Jaedong* #1 foreigner
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On December 16 2012 18:18 Fearest wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:47 Ammanas wrote:On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean JYP is also Korean... ;-) haha sorry i don't know what i was thinking, I think he was Zenio for some reason -__-
haha, you are great.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On December 16 2012 18:20 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 18:17 monkybone wrote:On December 16 2012 18:14 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 16 2012 18:12 monkybone wrote:On December 16 2012 18:07 Exarl25 wrote:On December 16 2012 18:04 Vanadium wrote:On December 16 2012 17:59 Exarl25 wrote:On December 16 2012 17:56 monkybone wrote:On December 16 2012 17:54 Exarl25 wrote:On December 16 2012 17:51 monkybone wrote:
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Sure, if all you're interested in is entertaining games. A competitive RTS is more about entertainment, there is supposed to be a developed strategic skillset involved. That's what keeps it interesting in the long run anyway. Mindlessly doing the exact same cookie cutter build every single game on every single map is not a developed strategic skillset. Here we see those who prepare for a map, come up with their own strategies, actually adapt and play smart are those who do well. Playing the metagame is nothing like doing the exact same old cookie cutter build... You have no idea what you're talking about. These days it is. Sure it's important to have some degree of consistency to allow a metagame to develop. But what we see in SC2 now is not a developing metagame, it's stagnation. Every game plays out the same, every map plays out the same. It's boring as shit. You need to keep things fresh and reward innovation. Some crazy new maps to shake things up a bit are a very welcome addition and long overdue. The overwhelmingly favorable response should be proof enough of that. I don't think we ought to conflate his point on the metagame with the fact that the current metagame is stale. These are separate issues. I don't think his point was ever that there should never be new maps, it's that really odd maps can be gimmicky, which is something that COULD happen to Arkanoid. Some clever player might just figure out the map, and then it'll be a never-ending litany of mirror matchups with the same build. This is just as bad of a metagame. If that happens then you scrap the map. You should constantly be introducing new ones anyway. Often maps can produce incredible games at first until it's flaws are figured out and when that happens you just move on to something else. Daybreak is a prime example of this. Universally loved at first that map should have been retired long ago because these days it produces the most boring PvZ games possible. I agree that the current map pool is stale, and new maps should be introduced more often. Preferably not too many large maps either. But introducing maps such as arkanoid is not the solution. Also, don't confuse 'playing the metagame' with playing standard. There are hundreds of different builds and strategies for every race in sc2 right now, there is a ton of potential for different and interesting games. Yeah we do see a lot of variation in PvZ especially in the current map pool don't we? Still, the problems with the maps when a matchup becomes stale are subtle. A slightly less defensible third, a slightly larger choke to the natural, and small stuff like that is all it takes to make a difference. The reason for PvZ being stale is that we only see PvZ on the same old maps over and over. But new maps does bring out new stuff despite not being retarded such as arkanoid. You can't play PvZ on abyssal city like you do on daybreak. You just fucking hate the map because of the rocks. all games i saw on this map. besides the thorzain trash game were fucking nice so mb get the rock out of your ass and mb someday you will like rocks. BW also had "rocks" and it was perfectly fine. they even had "rocks" stacked on each other.
jaehoon's game was pretty bad
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i'm just waiting for the next fearest post
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yo hero, this ain't pvp
this is T(aeja)vP
gl hf
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Northern Ireland27209 Posts
On December 16 2012 18:17 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 18:14 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 16 2012 18:12 monkybone wrote:On December 16 2012 18:07 Exarl25 wrote:On December 16 2012 18:04 Vanadium wrote:On December 16 2012 17:59 Exarl25 wrote:On December 16 2012 17:56 monkybone wrote:On December 16 2012 17:54 Exarl25 wrote:On December 16 2012 17:51 monkybone wrote:On December 16 2012 17:48 andaylin wrote:
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Oh please stop with the metagame thing. I don't want to see the same shit every game and it's obvious these new maps are being well received. Watch some games on the map before you say if doesn't produce competitive games. Sure, if all you're interested in is entertaining games. A competitive RTS is more about entertainment, there is supposed to be a developed strategic skillset involved. That's what keeps it interesting in the long run anyway. Mindlessly doing the exact same cookie cutter build every single game on every single map is not a developed strategic skillset. Here we see those who prepare for a map, come up with their own strategies, actually adapt and play smart are those who do well. Playing the metagame is nothing like doing the exact same old cookie cutter build... You have no idea what you're talking about. These days it is. Sure it's important to have some degree of consistency to allow a metagame to develop. But what we see in SC2 now is not a developing metagame, it's stagnation. Every game plays out the same, every map plays out the same. It's boring as shit. You need to keep things fresh and reward innovation. Some crazy new maps to shake things up a bit are a very welcome addition and long overdue. The overwhelmingly favorable response should be proof enough of that. I don't think we ought to conflate his point on the metagame with the fact that the current metagame is stale. These are separate issues. I don't think his point was ever that there should never be new maps, it's that really odd maps can be gimmicky, which is something that COULD happen to Arkanoid. Some clever player might just figure out the map, and then it'll be a never-ending litany of mirror matchups with the same build. This is just as bad of a metagame. If that happens then you scrap the map. You should constantly be introducing new ones anyway. Often maps can produce incredible games at first until it's flaws are figured out and when that happens you just move on to something else. Daybreak is a prime example of this. Universally loved at first that map should have been retired long ago because these days it produces the most boring PvZ games possible. I agree that the current map pool is stale, and new maps should be introduced more often. Preferably not too many large maps either. But introducing maps such as arkanoid is not the solution. Also, don't confuse 'playing the metagame' with playing standard. There are hundreds of different builds and strategies for every race in sc2 right now, there is a ton of potential for different and interesting games. Yeah we do see a lot of variation in PvZ especially in the current map pool don't we? Still, the problems with the maps when a matchup becomes stale are subtle. A slightly less defensible third, a slightly larger choke to the natural, and small stuff like that is all it takes to make a difference. The reason for PvZ being stale is that we only see PvZ on the same old maps over and over. But new maps does bring out new stuff despite not being retarded such as arkanoid. You can't play PvZ on abyssal city like you do on daybreak.
Entombed Valley has an easier to defend 3rd and is the archetypal Protoss turtle map. Abyssal and Dual Sight are terrible maps for taking a third, so we see a ton of 2 base allins from Protoss. Neither is particularly interesting, but yeah point taken.
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On December 16 2012 18:19 mijellin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 18:18 Wolfswood wrote:On December 16 2012 18:16 Tobblish wrote:
Wait theres still people that don't watch via the korean restream page?... sadly the majority of sc2 fans still have yet to realize that Korean casters are like +5 awesomeness Is that true for non Korean viewers? For me, absolutely. It doesn't matter that I don't understand them, I know the game well enough to follow on my own. But they are just so fucking hyped it makes me more excited.
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On December 16 2012 18:18 Fearest wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:47 Ammanas wrote:On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean JYP is also Korean... ;-) haha sorry i don't know what i was thinking, I think he was Zenio for some reason -__-
You okay there sir?
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On December 16 2012 18:20 Azhrei16 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 18:20 Vanadium wrote:On December 16 2012 18:18 Fearest wrote:On December 16 2012 17:47 Ammanas wrote:On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean JYP is also Korean... ;-) haha sorry i don't know what i was thinking, I think he was Zenio for some reason -__- Bahahahahahahaha, oh man, that's gold. I think he was thinking about IdrA 
Idra is the most Korean out of any of them.
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On December 16 2012 18:18 Fearest wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 17:47 Ammanas wrote:On December 16 2012 17:46 Fearest wrote:
man.. why put JYP over PUMA?? I know they're both bad, but at least Puma is a korean JYP is also Korean... ;-) haha sorry i don't know what i was thinking, I think he was Zenio for some reason -__-
But Zenio is also korean?
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On December 16 2012 18:21 Goibon wrote:
I'm beginning to question the ethnicity of JYP and Zenio now. I demand an inquest.
quick make unreasonable demands to see their birth certificates
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Immortals gather and go kill the Earth creatures.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On December 16 2012 18:21 Ryusei-R1 wrote:
yo hero, this ain't pvp
this is T(aeja)vP
gl hf
deadja vsP
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If I had a cookie I would give it to Fearest.
Now go Taeja, finish this!
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Fearest must be channeling VavPK.
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On December 16 2012 18:22 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 18:21 Ryusei-R1 wrote:
yo hero, this ain't pvp
this is T(aeja)vP
gl hf deadja vsP
TvP was never one of Taeja's strengths, imo
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On December 16 2012 18:21 Goibon wrote:
I'm beginning to question the ethnicity of JYP and Zenio now. I demand an inquest.
Let's look at their urine samples before SeleCt flips a table. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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United Kingdom12043 Posts
Just woke up.
Woah this is still going on? O_O
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On December 16 2012 18:22 Qikz wrote:
Just woke up.
Woah this is still going on? O_O
just in time for the ace match
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EPT
