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[Code A] RO24 Day 3 2012 GSL Season 5 - Page 53

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Starting page 57, any tangent that can be construed as SC2 vs BW will be bannable
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-14 11:58:47
December 14 2012 11:57 GMT
#1041
On December 14 2012 20:54 Inzan1ty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:47 zefreak wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:45 Inzan1ty wrote:
BW legends just ...not very good at this game.

Funny that Rain and Bogus are the ones keeping KeSPa somewhat relevant.


There are way more than those 2 keeping KeSPa relevant, whether you like it or not.


Not really. Talking about the big BW guys.

FlaSh is kind of decent, nothing impressive

JaeDong, Bisu, Stork, Fantasy are all not any good, are they? They are rather laughable.

Rain is the player that can consistently beat top players, and Bogus looks at least promising.


Mid-tier code S isnt something I wouldnt call unimpressive. I havnt seen enough of Stork to comment but I belive hes doing okay so not at all laughable and JD and Fantasy are both in up/downs with a solid shot at code S. Players who have moments of greatness combined with moments of horror are the most dangerous players because if they put it together you are looking at a monster.

Edit: I would say Bisu is sort of disapointing but have some faith in the guy. As long as its not an OSL he will be just fine.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
December 14 2012 11:58 GMT
#1042
DRG style by Curious.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
December 14 2012 11:58 GMT
#1043
How come Genius still doesn't belong to a team? He's still pretty good, can make top 3 in a lot of teams.
Searching for my twin ling brother.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
December 14 2012 11:58 GMT
#1044
--- Nuked ---
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
December 14 2012 11:58 GMT
#1045
I dont get it, people have been saying for years that sc2 macro is super easy, but when the people they salivate over cant do it competently its suddenly because they were trying (and failing) to do something else. Aggressive strats do work in sc2, multi tasking does work in sc2, playing cheesy does work in sc2.
Wafflelisk
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada1061 Posts
December 14 2012 11:58 GMT
#1046
Oh hey, it's that build I do when I roll my 6th straight ZvP
Waffles > Pancakes
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
December 14 2012 11:58 GMT
#1047
On December 14 2012 20:56 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:54 bgx wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:50 opterown wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:49 bgx wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:47 T.O.P. wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:45 ETisME wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:42 T.O.P. wrote:
You guys are all criticizing fantasy saying he's playing like shit. To me eyes, he's showing a way higher level of play than I have ever seen from a SC2 terran. His mechanics may be bad right now. It might always be bad, after all he has around 250 apm .

he had:
Supply block
no scan ahead before heading to a cliff
poor macro
idle medivac hanging on zerg's base after the drop is cleaned
no scan ahead to confirm tech switch

I can care less if he's getting supply blocked, or has poor macro or forget medivacs. This is mechanics. I'm talking about RTS intelligence.


You are opening a can of worms in this section. Not many people here will understand the notion you are trying to push, and what you are saying rarely happens in sc2. So in fact Fantasy even if he played intelligently but put mediocre macro would be crushed in SC2 circumstance where lining up your economy with timing will trump any intelligence.

User was warned for this post

what is this notion that we do not apparently understand?

Where people could play bad macro vs players with perfect macro in BW because they could task those players on different fronts. In SC2 macro has to perfectly lined up with anything you do otherwise you will fail. So players who had tendency not to prioritize macro but aggresive play in BW like Fantasy will have to prioritize macro play before anything else.


The best counter-example to this is to watch bomber, in particular the recent bomber vs polt series

Bomber has the cleanest macro, but polt knows how to engage better


I just got a Deja-Vu.
I have seen this before, this exact argument, in another LR. I think it was a few months ago.
I'm not quite sure but I think bgx was actually involved as well. This is really freaking me out.
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
December 14 2012 11:58 GMT
#1048
On December 14 2012 20:58 ZerglingTwins wrote:
How come Genius still doesn't belong to a team? He's still pretty good, can make top 3 in a lot of teams.

He does, announcement hasn't been made yet though.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
December 14 2012 11:59 GMT
#1049
3 base Roach allin at 20 Drones?
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10165 Posts
December 14 2012 11:59 GMT
#1050
Code A is actually quite stacked, stop trashing players for not being at code S.
pAzand
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden539 Posts
December 14 2012 11:59 GMT
#1051
Another sad day for Protoss :/ Nothing about balance though, Keen and Gumiho are excellent players and I'm counting on a win for Curious! Hoping for atleast HerO and Squirtle in the next season, maybe even one or two of MC, sOs, Genius, Younghwa and First (didn't watch his games today, were they bad?)..
If you can chill.. Chill!
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
December 14 2012 11:59 GMT
#1052
On December 14 2012 20:55 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:54 bgx wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:50 opterown wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:49 bgx wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:47 T.O.P. wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:45 ETisME wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:42 T.O.P. wrote:
You guys are all criticizing fantasy saying he's playing like shit. To me eyes, he's showing a way higher level of play than I have ever seen from a SC2 terran. His mechanics may be bad right now. It might always be bad, after all he has around 250 apm .

he had:
Supply block
no scan ahead before heading to a cliff
poor macro
idle medivac hanging on zerg's base after the drop is cleaned
no scan ahead to confirm tech switch

I can care less if he's getting supply blocked, or has poor macro or forget medivacs. This is mechanics. I'm talking about RTS intelligence.


You are opening a can of worms in this section. Not many people here will understand the notion you are trying to push, and what you are saying rarely happens in sc2. So in fact Fantasy even if he played intelligently but put mediocre macro would be crushed in SC2 circumstance where lining up your economy with timing will trump any intelligence.

User was warned for this post

what is this notion that we do not apparently understand?

Where people could play bad macro vs players with perfect macro in BW because they could task those players on different fronts. In SC2 macro has to perfectly lined up with anything you do otherwise you will fail. So players who had tendency not to prioritize macro but aggresive play in BW like Fantasy will have to prioritize macro play before anything else.

bomber loses to many players who have worse macro than him. so does marineking. macro is important in sc2, but hardly the be-all-and-end-all. if you robot out a build, you're not guaranteed a win.

I simply tried to put the thought I BELIEVE Top wanted to showcase, though i probably sounded to agressive doing so. Nevermind that.
Stork[gm]
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
December 14 2012 11:59 GMT
#1053
allin on the best ZvP map lolololol
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
December 14 2012 11:59 GMT
#1054
huh nice hold lol.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
December 14 2012 11:59 GMT
#1055
--- Nuked ---
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
December 14 2012 11:59 GMT
#1056
On December 14 2012 20:56 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:54 bgx wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:50 opterown wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:49 bgx wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:47 T.O.P. wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:45 ETisME wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:42 T.O.P. wrote:
You guys are all criticizing fantasy saying he's playing like shit. To me eyes, he's showing a way higher level of play than I have ever seen from a SC2 terran. His mechanics may be bad right now. It might always be bad, after all he has around 250 apm .

he had:
Supply block
no scan ahead before heading to a cliff
poor macro
idle medivac hanging on zerg's base after the drop is cleaned
no scan ahead to confirm tech switch

I can care less if he's getting supply blocked, or has poor macro or forget medivacs. This is mechanics. I'm talking about RTS intelligence.


You are opening a can of worms in this section. Not many people here will understand the notion you are trying to push, and what you are saying rarely happens in sc2. So in fact Fantasy even if he played intelligently but put mediocre macro would be crushed in SC2 circumstance where lining up your economy with timing will trump any intelligence.

User was warned for this post

what is this notion that we do not apparently understand?

Where people could play bad macro vs players with perfect macro in BW because they could task those players on different fronts. In SC2 macro has to perfectly lined up with anything you do otherwise you will fail. So players who had tendency not to prioritize macro but aggresive play in BW like Fantasy will have to prioritize macro play before anything else.


The best counter-example to this is to watch bomber, in particular the recent bomber vs polt series

Bomber has the cleanest macro, but polt knows how to engage better

This is true. The only matchup I've seen Bomber crush face harder than Polt is TvP. Polt's TvT is incredible and his TvZ is great too.
The Bomber boy
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
December 14 2012 12:00 GMT
#1057
On December 14 2012 20:55 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:54 bgx wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:50 opterown wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:49 bgx wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:47 T.O.P. wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:45 ETisME wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:42 T.O.P. wrote:
You guys are all criticizing fantasy saying he's playing like shit. To me eyes, he's showing a way higher level of play than I have ever seen from a SC2 terran. His mechanics may be bad right now. It might always be bad, after all he has around 250 apm .

he had:
Supply block
no scan ahead before heading to a cliff
poor macro
idle medivac hanging on zerg's base after the drop is cleaned
no scan ahead to confirm tech switch

I can care less if he's getting supply blocked, or has poor macro or forget medivacs. This is mechanics. I'm talking about RTS intelligence.


You are opening a can of worms in this section. Not many people here will understand the notion you are trying to push, and what you are saying rarely happens in sc2. So in fact Fantasy even if he played intelligently but put mediocre macro would be crushed in SC2 circumstance where lining up your economy with timing will trump any intelligence.

User was warned for this post

what is this notion that we do not apparently understand?

Where people could play bad macro vs players with perfect macro in BW because they could task those players on different fronts. In SC2 macro has to perfectly lined up with anything you do otherwise you will fail. So players who had tendency not to prioritize macro but aggresive play in BW like Fantasy will have to prioritize macro play before anything else.

bomber loses to many players who have worse macro than him. so does marineking. macro is important in sc2, but hardly the be-all-and-end-all. if you robot out a build, you're not guaranteed a win.


Not to mention that good strategies can absolutely overcome macro deficits in SC2. Looking at you, immortal/sentry and BL/infestor.
Of course you're gonna have to macro well to capitalize on advantages you're trying to gain with a build but that should be standard for any decent player.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
December 14 2012 12:00 GMT
#1058
I like how everyone only focuses on his macro and ignores his superb micro and multitasking. He had great splits,great maurader micro, great harassment, and great multitask micro- other than game 3 where he had literally no units back at home. He did all the little things like moving small pockets of units to snipe infestors and keeping his marauders in front to soak damage. Whenever roro counter-attacked, fantasy was microing on multiple fronts. If you think he sucks, then find me 5 esfi terrans who can multitask and micro as well as fantasy can.
Gojii
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium317 Posts
December 14 2012 12:00 GMT
#1059
nice defense !
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
December 14 2012 12:01 GMT
#1060
is huk playing?
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