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Adidas sponsoring Genius?
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On December 14 2012 20:53 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 20:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On December 14 2012 20:50 nkr wrote:On December 14 2012 20:48 Vindicare605 wrote:On December 14 2012 20:46 nkr wrote:On December 14 2012 20:43 Vindicare605 wrote:On December 14 2012 20:42 nkr wrote:On December 14 2012 20:41 iKill wrote:On December 14 2012 20:40 nkr wrote:
why does khaldor commentate like he always knows better than the players
just focus on calling what you see :/ That's the difference between playbyplay (which people often whine about) and analytical casting. The problem is, analytical casting really doesn't sugarcoat fuckups from either player. khaldor is not an analytical caster, he doesn't know the game nearly good enough to be in that role Is this because he's saying things you don't like or because he's saying your preferred player is going to lose? He's a decent analytical caster, not quite up to the Artosis standard but he's definitely not bad. are you saying this because i said something you dont like or because your preferred caster is not getting positive feedback? I disagree on the decent analytical caster, but I'm not going to change your mind I guess  No I'm saying what I'm saying because your comment is coming directly after a solid cast from Khaldor in which he calls out in no short order a fan favorite for incredibly obvious lapses in macromanagement and decision making. There was nothing about any of his casts from this series that warrant the original comment you made about him. If you're making a general comment about a perceived lack of game knowledge then I sincerely recommend you try YOUR hand at casting so we can hear what yours sounds like. I can say sincerely from personal experience that talking shit about a caster is much easier than actually doing it yourself. so in order to hand out criticism you need to be better than the one you are criticiting? in that case, this forum would not have a single post  Considering you're using an appeal to authority fallacy I figure it'd be appropriate to use it on you. Happy now? I'm not the one commentating.
You're commentating about the commentator.
and like I said, there was nothing wrong with Khaldor's original commentary, there were however things wrong with your original comments about his commentary, to which my comments were directed.
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It was mistake i hit edit before i refreshed page or something i didnt mean to do that.
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On December 14 2012 20:48 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 20:47 T.O.P. wrote:On December 14 2012 20:45 ETisME wrote:On December 14 2012 20:42 T.O.P. wrote:
You guys are all criticizing fantasy saying he's playing like shit. To me eyes, he's showing a way higher level of play than I have ever seen from a SC2 terran. His mechanics may be bad right now. It might always be bad, after all he has around 250 apm . he had: Supply block no scan ahead before heading to a cliff poor macro idle medivac hanging on zerg's base after the drop is cleaned no scan ahead to confirm tech switch I can care less if he's getting supply blocked, or has poor macro or forget medivacs. This is mechanics. I'm talking about RTS intelligence. so where exactly did he play intelligently?
His army movement and attacks in game 1&2 were really, really good. He lost game 1 because he expected a ultra switch that didn't come. Bad read.
He played bad in game 3.
But yeah I guess I'm a fanboy.
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On December 14 2012 20:54 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 20:50 opterown wrote:On December 14 2012 20:49 bgx wrote:On December 14 2012 20:47 T.O.P. wrote:On December 14 2012 20:45 ETisME wrote:On December 14 2012 20:42 T.O.P. wrote:
You guys are all criticizing fantasy saying he's playing like shit. To me eyes, he's showing a way higher level of play than I have ever seen from a SC2 terran. His mechanics may be bad right now. It might always be bad, after all he has around 250 apm . he had: Supply block no scan ahead before heading to a cliff poor macro idle medivac hanging on zerg's base after the drop is cleaned no scan ahead to confirm tech switch I can care less if he's getting supply blocked, or has poor macro or forget medivacs. This is mechanics. I'm talking about RTS intelligence. You are opening a can of worms in this section. Not many people here will understand the notion you are trying to push, and what you are saying rarely happens in sc2. So in fact Fantasy even if he played intelligently but put mediocre macro would be crushed in SC2 circumstance where lining up your economy with timing will trump any intelligence. User was warned for this post what is this notion that we do not apparently understand? Where people could play bad macro vs players with perfect macro in BW because they could task those players on different fronts. In SC2 macro has to perfectly lined up with anything you do otherwise you will fail. So players who had tendency not to prioritize macro but aggresive play in BW like Fantasy will have to prioritize macro play before anything else.
bomber loses to many players who have worse macro than him. so does marineking. macro is important in sc2, but hardly the be-all-and-end-all. if you robot out a build, you're not guaranteed a win.
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On December 14 2012 20:54 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 20:53 nkr wrote:On December 14 2012 20:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On December 14 2012 20:50 nkr wrote:On December 14 2012 20:48 Vindicare605 wrote:On December 14 2012 20:46 nkr wrote:On December 14 2012 20:43 Vindicare605 wrote:On December 14 2012 20:42 nkr wrote:On December 14 2012 20:41 iKill wrote:On December 14 2012 20:40 nkr wrote:
why does khaldor commentate like he always knows better than the players
just focus on calling what you see :/ That's the difference between playbyplay (which people often whine about) and analytical casting. The problem is, analytical casting really doesn't sugarcoat fuckups from either player. khaldor is not an analytical caster, he doesn't know the game nearly good enough to be in that role Is this because he's saying things you don't like or because he's saying your preferred player is going to lose? He's a decent analytical caster, not quite up to the Artosis standard but he's definitely not bad. are you saying this because i said something you dont like or because your preferred caster is not getting positive feedback? I disagree on the decent analytical caster, but I'm not going to change your mind I guess No I'm saying what I'm saying because your comment is coming directly after a solid cast from Khaldor in which he calls out in no short order a fan favorite for incredibly obvious lapses in macromanagement and decision making. There was nothing about any of his casts from this series that warrant the original comment you made about him. If you're making a general comment about a perceived lack of game knowledge then I sincerely recommend you try YOUR hand at casting so we can hear what yours sounds like. I can say sincerely from personal experience that talking shit about a caster is much easier than actually doing it yourself. so in order to hand out criticism you need to be better than the one you are criticiting? in that case, this forum would not have a single post Considering you're using an appeal to authority fallacy I figure it'd be appropriate to use it on you. Happy now? I'm not the one commentating. You're commentating about the commentator. You're still making comments.
You're commentating about the guy commentating about the commentator. You need to prove yourself better than me to make these comments.
See, it really doesn't work.
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I actually feel sad that some people missed the days when tvz was unbelievably good.
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LOL wolf
On December 14 2012 20:55 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 20:54 bgx wrote:On December 14 2012 20:50 opterown wrote:On December 14 2012 20:49 bgx wrote:On December 14 2012 20:47 T.O.P. wrote:On December 14 2012 20:45 ETisME wrote:On December 14 2012 20:42 T.O.P. wrote:
You guys are all criticizing fantasy saying he's playing like shit. To me eyes, he's showing a way higher level of play than I have ever seen from a SC2 terran. His mechanics may be bad right now. It might always be bad, after all he has around 250 apm . he had: Supply block no scan ahead before heading to a cliff poor macro idle medivac hanging on zerg's base after the drop is cleaned no scan ahead to confirm tech switch I can care less if he's getting supply blocked, or has poor macro or forget medivacs. This is mechanics. I'm talking about RTS intelligence. You are opening a can of worms in this section. Not many people here will understand the notion you are trying to push, and what you are saying rarely happens in sc2. So in fact Fantasy even if he played intelligently but put mediocre macro would be crushed in SC2 circumstance where lining up your economy with timing will trump any intelligence. User was warned for this post what is this notion that we do not apparently understand? Where people could play bad macro vs players with perfect macro in BW because they could task those players on different fronts. In SC2 macro has to perfectly lined up with anything you do otherwise you will fail. So players who had tendency not to prioritize macro but aggresive play in BW like Fantasy will have to prioritize macro play before anything else. bomber loses to many players who have worse macro than him. so does marineking. macro is important in sc2, but hardly the be-all-and-end-all. if you robot out a build, you're not guaranteed a win.
I think this is important to note--Fanta actually FUCKED UP on macro. It wasn't that his macro was worse, it was that he supply blocked himself for a good 2 minutes, and that's an instant death sentence regardless of how good his gamesense / micro is.
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On December 14 2012 20:54 Tobblish wrote:
Adidas sponsoring Genius?
He gets all the sponsors. Cocacola, adidas, next day he will be wearing some Nike tag.
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Omg noooo Wolf T_T
Taking it too far :p
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On December 14 2012 20:52 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote:
What was confusing to me is that Wolf and Khaldor were talking about how good Roro is. Fantasy didn't even have to macro and he was still beating Roro until Brood Lords came out.
That was an ugly series.
yeh. RoRo greatly impressed me when he first came onto the sc2 stage in WCS Korea, but admittedly that was mostly ZvP games. He really looked mediocre in this series.
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hahaha Genius trolling us all
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On December 14 2012 20:55 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 20:48 opterown wrote:On December 14 2012 20:47 T.O.P. wrote:On December 14 2012 20:45 ETisME wrote:On December 14 2012 20:42 T.O.P. wrote:
You guys are all criticizing fantasy saying he's playing like shit. To me eyes, he's showing a way higher level of play than I have ever seen from a SC2 terran. His mechanics may be bad right now. It might always be bad, after all he has around 250 apm . he had: Supply block no scan ahead before heading to a cliff poor macro idle medivac hanging on zerg's base after the drop is cleaned no scan ahead to confirm tech switch I can care less if he's getting supply blocked, or has poor macro or forget medivacs. This is mechanics. I'm talking about RTS intelligence. so where exactly did he play intelligently? His army movement and attacks in game 1&2 were really, really good. He lost game 1 because he expected a ultra switch that didn't come. Bad read.
he lost game 1 when fungals caught him, haha. that should have been so his game after taking out roro's 3rd
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On December 14 2012 20:55 Godwrath wrote:He gets all the sponsors. Cocacola, adidas, next day he will be wearing some Nike tag.
"Adidas is all in"
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On December 14 2012 20:56 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 20:55 Awesomeness wrote:On December 14 2012 20:48 opterown wrote:On December 14 2012 20:47 T.O.P. wrote:On December 14 2012 20:45 ETisME wrote:On December 14 2012 20:42 T.O.P. wrote:
You guys are all criticizing fantasy saying he's playing like shit. To me eyes, he's showing a way higher level of play than I have ever seen from a SC2 terran. His mechanics may be bad right now. It might always be bad, after all he has around 250 apm . he had: Supply block no scan ahead before heading to a cliff poor macro idle medivac hanging on zerg's base after the drop is cleaned no scan ahead to confirm tech switch I can care less if he's getting supply blocked, or has poor macro or forget medivacs. This is mechanics. I'm talking about RTS intelligence. so where exactly did he play intelligently? His army movement and attacks in game 1&2 were really, really good. He lost game 1 because he expected a ultra switch that didn't come. Bad read. he lost game 1 when fungals caught him, haha.
This has totally never happened to anybody before.
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Not fair maps, best maps!
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On December 14 2012 20:54 Shellshock1122 wrote: GSL S5 Code A Ro24  Genius vs  Code A Lord Curious Game 1 Map: Abyssal City Genius spawns to the right Curious spawns to the left
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pool first for Curious
Forge first for Genius
Hatch for Curious
Nexus for Genius
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cannon for Genius
gateway for Genius
gas for Curious
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3rd base for Curious
Genius scouts the 3rd
double gas for Genius
Cybernetics core for Genius
zealot for Genius
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ling speed for Curious
Roach warren for Curious
stalker for Genius
Stargate for Genius
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