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Starting page 57, any tangent that can be construed as SC2 vs BW will be bannable
ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-14 11:50:56
December 14 2012 11:49 GMT
#981
Teamliquid is finally fun. Matches are boring, but thread is more exciting.
Searching for my twin ling brother.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-14 12:48:01
December 14 2012 11:49 GMT
#982
On December 14 2012 20:47 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:45 ETisME wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:42 T.O.P. wrote:
You guys are all criticizing fantasy saying he's playing like shit. To me eyes, he's showing a way higher level of play than I have ever seen from a SC2 terran. His mechanics may be bad right now. It might always be bad, after all he has around 250 apm .

he had:
Supply block
no scan ahead before heading to a cliff
poor macro
idle medivac hanging on zerg's base after the drop is cleaned
no scan ahead to confirm tech switch

I can care less if he's getting supply blocked, or has poor macro or forget medivacs. This is mechanics. I'm talking about RTS intelligence.


You are opening a can of worms in this section. Not many people here will understand the notion you are trying to push, and what you are saying rarely happens in sc2. So in fact Fantasy even if he played intelligently but put mediocre macro would be crushed in SC2 circumstance where lining up your economy with timing will trump any intelligence.

So he failed, in SC2 terms.

don't edit out your warning! We still know it's there!

User was warned for this post
Stork[gm]
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
December 14 2012 11:49 GMT
#983
On December 14 2012 20:48 Khaldor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:43 Diavlo wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:40 nkr wrote:
why does khaldor commentate like he always knows better than the players

just focus on calling what you see :/


He is, he sees those massive banks, supply blocks and empty production tabs and calls it poor macro.

Good job Khaldor


Thank you. This is a pretty tough match to commentate and I apologizeto the disappointed Fantasy and BW fans, but today he was just not able to keep up. You could really see his potential in SC2 though and I feel,if he improves on these points he can beat anybody


I'm glad you made the matches entertaining with your commentary haha
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 14 2012 11:50 GMT
#984
If Curious wins game 1 every player on the right side won the first map today
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
December 14 2012 11:50 GMT
#985
On December 14 2012 20:48 Khaldor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:43 Diavlo wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:40 nkr wrote:
why does khaldor commentate like he always knows better than the players

just focus on calling what you see :/


He is, he sees those massive banks, supply blocks and empty production tabs and calls it poor macro.

Good job Khaldor


Thank you. This is a pretty tough match to commentate and I apologizeto the disappointed Fantasy and BW fans, but today he was just not able to keep up. You could really see his potential in SC2 though and I feel,if he improves on these points he can beat anybody

I feel sorry for you, because you had to cast that.
The Bomber boy
GWdeathscythe
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1091 Posts
December 14 2012 11:50 GMT
#986
Pantaji is out, that is sad. I hope he can make it through the u/d so we can see him in code S.
JD is BONJWA!
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
December 14 2012 11:50 GMT
#987
On December 14 2012 20:48 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:47 T.O.P. wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:45 ETisME wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:42 T.O.P. wrote:
You guys are all criticizing fantasy saying he's playing like shit. To me eyes, he's showing a way higher level of play than I have ever seen from a SC2 terran. His mechanics may be bad right now. It might always be bad, after all he has around 250 apm .

he had:
Supply block
no scan ahead before heading to a cliff
poor macro
idle medivac hanging on zerg's base after the drop is cleaned
no scan ahead to confirm tech switch

I can care less if he's getting supply blocked, or has poor macro or forget medivacs. This is mechanics. I'm talking about RTS intelligence.

so where exactly did he play intelligently?


I think he played as intelligently as this argument.
But hey I didn't see the games. I'm just here for the drama.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
December 14 2012 11:50 GMT
#988
For those complaining about Fantasy's macro, if you ever watched his development in BW, macro was among his worst qualities. The fact that he would have trouble with SC2 macro should really come as no surprise. He spends so much effort on cute builds and harassment that it wasn't til the late in his BW career that he became a complete player.

If you want to use a former KESPA player for how they do at macro, a good measuring stick is Sea. Sea was the prototypical BW macro monster, but very rough around the edges.
Meh
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
December 14 2012 11:50 GMT
#989
alright time for Genius to run shit
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 14 2012 11:50 GMT
#990
On December 14 2012 20:49 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:47 T.O.P. wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:45 ETisME wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:42 T.O.P. wrote:
You guys are all criticizing fantasy saying he's playing like shit. To me eyes, he's showing a way higher level of play than I have ever seen from a SC2 terran. His mechanics may be bad right now. It might always be bad, after all he has around 250 apm .

he had:
Supply block
no scan ahead before heading to a cliff
poor macro
idle medivac hanging on zerg's base after the drop is cleaned
no scan ahead to confirm tech switch

I can care less if he's getting supply blocked, or has poor macro or forget medivacs. This is mechanics. I'm talking about RTS intelligence.


You are opening a can of worms in this section. Not many people here will understand the notion you are trying to push, and what you are saying rarely happens in sc2. So in fact Fantasy even if he played intelligently but put mediocre macro would be crushed in SC2 circumstance where lining up your economy with timing will trump any intelligence.

User was warned for this post

what is this notion that we do not apparently understand?
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
December 14 2012 11:50 GMT
#991
On December 14 2012 20:48 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:46 nkr wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:43 Vindicare605 wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:42 nkr wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:41 iKill wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:40 nkr wrote:
why does khaldor commentate like he always knows better than the players

just focus on calling what you see :/


That's the difference between playbyplay (which people often whine about) and analytical casting.
The problem is, analytical casting really doesn't sugarcoat fuckups from either player.


khaldor is not an analytical caster, he doesn't know the game nearly good enough to be in that role


Is this because he's saying things you don't like or because he's saying your preferred player is going to lose?

He's a decent analytical caster, not quite up to the Artosis standard but he's definitely not bad.


are you saying this because i said something you dont like or because your preferred caster is not getting positive feedback?

I disagree on the decent analytical caster, but I'm not going to change your mind I guess


No I'm saying what I'm saying because your comment is coming directly after a solid cast from Khaldor in which he calls out in no short order a fan favorite for incredibly obvious lapses in macromanagement and decision making.

There was nothing about any of his casts from this series that warrant the original comment you made about him. If you're making a general comment about a perceived lack of game knowledge then I sincerely recommend you try YOUR hand at casting so we can hear what yours sounds like.

I can say sincerely from personal experience that talking shit about a caster is much easier than actually doing it yourself.


so in order to hand out criticism you need to be better than the one you are criticiting? in that case, this forum would not have a single post
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
December 14 2012 11:51 GMT
#992
On December 14 2012 20:47 Waxangel wrote:
I don't know how a series of terrible games between only KeSPA players with no eSF guys involved has started one of the bigger KeSPA/eSF shitfests in a while

Yeah lol Flash vs Baby was even bigger
"Start yo" -FlaSh
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
December 14 2012 11:51 GMT
#993
On December 14 2012 20:47 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:45 ETisME wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:42 T.O.P. wrote:
You guys are all criticizing fantasy saying he's playing like shit. To me eyes, he's showing a way higher level of play than I have ever seen from a SC2 terran. His mechanics may be bad right now. It might always be bad, after all he has around 250 apm .

he had:
Supply block
no scan ahead before heading to a cliff
poor macro
idle medivac hanging on zerg's base after the drop is cleaned
no scan ahead to confirm tech switch

I can care less if he's getting supply blocked, or has poor macro or forget medivacs. This is mechanics. I'm talking about RTS intelligence.



If you want RTS intelligence, go watch Mvp.
Fantasy certainly has a lot of room to improve in Sc2, but at the moment, this was far from "way higher level of play...."
Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
December 14 2012 11:51 GMT
#994
On December 14 2012 20:49 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:47 T.O.P. wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:45 ETisME wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:42 T.O.P. wrote:
You guys are all criticizing fantasy saying he's playing like shit. To me eyes, he's showing a way higher level of play than I have ever seen from a SC2 terran. His mechanics may be bad right now. It might always be bad, after all he has around 250 apm .

he had:
Supply block
no scan ahead before heading to a cliff
poor macro
idle medivac hanging on zerg's base after the drop is cleaned
no scan ahead to confirm tech switch

I can care less if he's getting supply blocked, or has poor macro or forget medivacs. This is mechanics. I'm talking about RTS intelligence.


You are opening a can of worms in this section. Not many people here will understand the notion you are trying to push, and what you are saying rarely happens in sc2. So in fact Fantasy even if he played intelligently but put mediocre macro would be crushed in SC2 circumstance where lining up your economy with timing will trump any intelligence.

User was warned for this post


I'm kinda speechless. How do you even argue with something like this?
WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-14 11:52:11
December 14 2012 11:51 GMT
#995
--- Nuked ---
whirlpool
Profile Joined June 2011
2788 Posts
December 14 2012 11:51 GMT
#996
my guess is fantasy didn't prepare for mech well enough, boxer influences mb, so far he shows bio almost every of his matchups.
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
December 14 2012 11:52 GMT
#997
Khaldor STOP BEING SO LOGICAL, you're killing the thread!!!
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
December 14 2012 11:52 GMT
#998
So much to learn from this LR today!
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
December 14 2012 11:52 GMT
#999
Damn, I ran out of popcorn for this thread.

Gogo Genius!
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
December 14 2012 11:52 GMT
#1000
On December 14 2012 20:51 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:49 bgx wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:47 T.O.P. wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:45 ETisME wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:42 T.O.P. wrote:
You guys are all criticizing fantasy saying he's playing like shit. To me eyes, he's showing a way higher level of play than I have ever seen from a SC2 terran. His mechanics may be bad right now. It might always be bad, after all he has around 250 apm .

he had:
Supply block
no scan ahead before heading to a cliff
poor macro
idle medivac hanging on zerg's base after the drop is cleaned
no scan ahead to confirm tech switch

I can care less if he's getting supply blocked, or has poor macro or forget medivacs. This is mechanics. I'm talking about RTS intelligence.


You are opening a can of worms in this section. Not many people here will understand the notion you are trying to push, and what you are saying rarely happens in sc2. So in fact Fantasy even if he played intelligently but put mediocre macro would be crushed in SC2 circumstance where lining up your economy with timing will trump any intelligence.

User was warned for this post


I'm kinda speechless. How do you even argue with something like this?


"LOL"
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
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