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Starting page 57, any tangent that can be construed as SC2 vs BW will be bannable
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16097 Posts
December 14 2012 11:52 GMT
#1001
On December 14 2012 20:50 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:48 Vindicare605 wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:46 nkr wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:43 Vindicare605 wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:42 nkr wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:41 iKill wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:40 nkr wrote:
why does khaldor commentate like he always knows better than the players

just focus on calling what you see :/


That's the difference between playbyplay (which people often whine about) and analytical casting.
The problem is, analytical casting really doesn't sugarcoat fuckups from either player.


khaldor is not an analytical caster, he doesn't know the game nearly good enough to be in that role


Is this because he's saying things you don't like or because he's saying your preferred player is going to lose?

He's a decent analytical caster, not quite up to the Artosis standard but he's definitely not bad.


are you saying this because i said something you dont like or because your preferred caster is not getting positive feedback?

I disagree on the decent analytical caster, but I'm not going to change your mind I guess


No I'm saying what I'm saying because your comment is coming directly after a solid cast from Khaldor in which he calls out in no short order a fan favorite for incredibly obvious lapses in macromanagement and decision making.

There was nothing about any of his casts from this series that warrant the original comment you made about him. If you're making a general comment about a perceived lack of game knowledge then I sincerely recommend you try YOUR hand at casting so we can hear what yours sounds like.

I can say sincerely from personal experience that talking shit about a caster is much easier than actually doing it yourself.


so in order to hand out criticism you need to be better than the one you are criticiting? in that case, this forum would not have a single post


Considering you're using an appeal to authority fallacy I figure it'd be appropriate to use it on you. Happy now?
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
M.R. McThundercrotch
Profile Joined June 2012
United States265 Posts
December 14 2012 11:52 GMT
#1002
What was confusing to me is that Wolf and Khaldor were talking about how good Roro is. Fantasy didn't even have to macro and he was still beating Roro until Brood Lords came out.

That was an ugly series.
On June 30 2012 01:42 iNcontroL wrote: Fuck a lot of you. Fuck you forever.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8590 Posts
December 14 2012 11:52 GMT
#1003
On December 14 2012 20:46 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:44 T.O.P. wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:43 opterown wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:42 T.O.P. wrote:
You guys are all criticizing fantasy saying he's playing like shit. To me eyes, he's showing a way higher level of play than I have ever seen from a SC2 terran. His mechanics may be bad right now. It might always be bad, after all he has around 250 apm .

you must not watch many SC2 terrans then

No, I watched plenty. Compared to smart players like Fantasy, they play like retards.


I agree, the competition in SC2 thus far has been completely retarded

good on fantasy showing us some non-retarded games for once


The competition in SC2 really has been retarded thus far. But this games didn't change anything though...
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
December 14 2012 11:52 GMT
#1004
Slay him, Curious. Do it again.
The Bomber boy
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 14 2012 11:52 GMT
#1005
On December 14 2012 20:49 bgx wrote:


did you just edit out your warning? o.O
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
SlixSC
Profile Joined October 2012
666 Posts
December 14 2012 11:53 GMT
#1006
On December 14 2012 20:49 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:47 T.O.P. wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:45 ETisME wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:42 T.O.P. wrote:
You guys are all criticizing fantasy saying he's playing like shit. To me eyes, he's showing a way higher level of play than I have ever seen from a SC2 terran. His mechanics may be bad right now. It might always be bad, after all he has around 250 apm .

he had:
Supply block
no scan ahead before heading to a cliff
poor macro
idle medivac hanging on zerg's base after the drop is cleaned
no scan ahead to confirm tech switch

I can care less if he's getting supply blocked, or has poor macro or forget medivacs. This is mechanics. I'm talking about RTS intelligence.


You are opening a can of worms in this section. Not many people here will understand the notion you are trying to push, and what you are saying rarely happens in sc2. So in fact Fantasy even if he played intelligently but put mediocre macro would be crushed in SC2 circumstance where lining up your economy with timing will trump any intelligence.

User was warned for this post


seriously, fantasy made lots of mistakes and had really poor macro. He didn't deserve to win this game at all, not that Roro played well but he definitely played better. I really dont see the problem here...
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
December 14 2012 11:53 GMT
#1007
On December 14 2012 20:52 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:50 nkr wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:48 Vindicare605 wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:46 nkr wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:43 Vindicare605 wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:42 nkr wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:41 iKill wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:40 nkr wrote:
why does khaldor commentate like he always knows better than the players

just focus on calling what you see :/


That's the difference between playbyplay (which people often whine about) and analytical casting.
The problem is, analytical casting really doesn't sugarcoat fuckups from either player.


khaldor is not an analytical caster, he doesn't know the game nearly good enough to be in that role


Is this because he's saying things you don't like or because he's saying your preferred player is going to lose?

He's a decent analytical caster, not quite up to the Artosis standard but he's definitely not bad.


are you saying this because i said something you dont like or because your preferred caster is not getting positive feedback?

I disagree on the decent analytical caster, but I'm not going to change your mind I guess


No I'm saying what I'm saying because your comment is coming directly after a solid cast from Khaldor in which he calls out in no short order a fan favorite for incredibly obvious lapses in macromanagement and decision making.

There was nothing about any of his casts from this series that warrant the original comment you made about him. If you're making a general comment about a perceived lack of game knowledge then I sincerely recommend you try YOUR hand at casting so we can hear what yours sounds like.

I can say sincerely from personal experience that talking shit about a caster is much easier than actually doing it yourself.


so in order to hand out criticism you need to be better than the one you are criticiting? in that case, this forum would not have a single post


Considering you're using an appeal to authority fallacy I figure it'd be appropriate to use it on you. Happy now?


I'm not the one commentating.
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
December 14 2012 11:53 GMT
#1008
I can't see Genius winning this unless he's started, you know, practicing
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10131 Posts
December 14 2012 11:53 GMT
#1009
When will VODs be up ? I need to study those supply block timings,
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
December 14 2012 11:53 GMT
#1010
On December 14 2012 20:52 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:49 bgx wrote:


did you just edit out your warning? o.O

uh oh.
:)
Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
December 14 2012 11:54 GMT
#1011
On December 14 2012 20:52 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:49 bgx wrote:


did you just edit out your warning? o.O


Now I'll just have to take this other dude's advice. LOL.
WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
December 14 2012 11:54 GMT
#1012
Ultimately, I have to concede that was terrible. I really wonder what happened in his head to cause him to play like that, but I hope it doesn't persist. As long as this loss doesn't affect his PL performance, I give zero shits anyway.
eonDE
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada371 Posts
December 14 2012 11:54 GMT
#1013
i like wolf's obsession with hair ;p
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16097 Posts
December 14 2012 11:54 GMT
#1014
On December 14 2012 20:52 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote:
What was confusing to me is that Wolf and Khaldor were talking about how good Roro is. Fantasy didn't even have to macro and he was still beating Roro until Brood Lords came out.

That was an ugly series.


He was never actually beating him.

Regardless of what casters might have you believe at times, killing drones does not always equate to killing Zergs. Roro was in control of that last game from start to finish.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 14 2012 11:54 GMT
#1015
GSL S5 Code A Ro24
Genius vs Code A Lord Curious
Game 1
Map: Abyssal City

Genius spawns to the right
Curious spawns to the left
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andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
December 14 2012 11:54 GMT
#1016
On December 14 2012 20:53 mikedebo wrote:
I can't see Genius winning this unless he's started, you know, practicing

LoL practice best SC2 practice
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Inzan1ty
Profile Joined September 2012
1163 Posts
December 14 2012 11:54 GMT
#1017
On December 14 2012 20:47 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:45 Inzan1ty wrote:
BW legends just ...not very good at this game.

Funny that Rain and Bogus are the ones keeping KeSPa somewhat relevant.


There are way more than those 2 keeping KeSPa relevant, whether you like it or not.


Not really. Talking about the big BW guys.

FlaSh is kind of decent, nothing impressive

JaeDong, Bisu, Stork, Fantasy are all not any good, are they? They are rather laughable.

Rain is the player that can consistently beat top players, and Bogus looks at least promising.
RIP Seung Hyun 'Space' Park † 6/5/2013 - Undead hero and eSports rolemodel
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
December 14 2012 11:54 GMT
#1018
On December 14 2012 20:50 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:49 bgx wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:47 T.O.P. wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:45 ETisME wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:42 T.O.P. wrote:
You guys are all criticizing fantasy saying he's playing like shit. To me eyes, he's showing a way higher level of play than I have ever seen from a SC2 terran. His mechanics may be bad right now. It might always be bad, after all he has around 250 apm .

he had:
Supply block
no scan ahead before heading to a cliff
poor macro
idle medivac hanging on zerg's base after the drop is cleaned
no scan ahead to confirm tech switch

I can care less if he's getting supply blocked, or has poor macro or forget medivacs. This is mechanics. I'm talking about RTS intelligence.


You are opening a can of worms in this section. Not many people here will understand the notion you are trying to push, and what you are saying rarely happens in sc2. So in fact Fantasy even if he played intelligently but put mediocre macro would be crushed in SC2 circumstance where lining up your economy with timing will trump any intelligence.

User was warned for this post

what is this notion that we do not apparently understand?

Where people could play bad macro vs players with perfect macro in BW because they could task those players on different fronts. In SC2 macro has to perfectly lined up with anything you do otherwise you will fail. So players who had tendency not to prioritize macro but aggresive play in BW like Fantasy will have to prioritize macro play before anything else.
Stork[gm]
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
December 14 2012 11:54 GMT
#1019
On December 14 2012 20:52 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:49 bgx wrote:


did you just edit out your warning? o.O


LOL

Gogo Genius, time to go back to being a good player T_T
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
December 14 2012 11:54 GMT
#1020
Today's Genius is sponsored by Adidas.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
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