• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 22:41
CET 04:41
KST 12:41
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced! What's the best tug of war? The Grack before Christmas Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ What are former legends up to these days? BW General Discussion How soO Began His ProGaming Dreams Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB SemiFinals - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] WB & LB Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 12 Days of Starcraft The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
National Diversity: A Challe…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1534 users

[Code A] RO24 Day 3 2012 GSL Season 5 - Page 51

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 49 50 51 52 53 70 Next
Starting page 57, any tangent that can be construed as SC2 vs BW will be bannable
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
December 14 2012 11:52 GMT
#1001
On December 14 2012 20:50 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:48 Vindicare605 wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:46 nkr wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:43 Vindicare605 wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:42 nkr wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:41 iKill wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:40 nkr wrote:
why does khaldor commentate like he always knows better than the players

just focus on calling what you see :/


That's the difference between playbyplay (which people often whine about) and analytical casting.
The problem is, analytical casting really doesn't sugarcoat fuckups from either player.


khaldor is not an analytical caster, he doesn't know the game nearly good enough to be in that role


Is this because he's saying things you don't like or because he's saying your preferred player is going to lose?

He's a decent analytical caster, not quite up to the Artosis standard but he's definitely not bad.


are you saying this because i said something you dont like or because your preferred caster is not getting positive feedback?

I disagree on the decent analytical caster, but I'm not going to change your mind I guess


No I'm saying what I'm saying because your comment is coming directly after a solid cast from Khaldor in which he calls out in no short order a fan favorite for incredibly obvious lapses in macromanagement and decision making.

There was nothing about any of his casts from this series that warrant the original comment you made about him. If you're making a general comment about a perceived lack of game knowledge then I sincerely recommend you try YOUR hand at casting so we can hear what yours sounds like.

I can say sincerely from personal experience that talking shit about a caster is much easier than actually doing it yourself.


so in order to hand out criticism you need to be better than the one you are criticiting? in that case, this forum would not have a single post


Considering you're using an appeal to authority fallacy I figure it'd be appropriate to use it on you. Happy now?
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
M.R. McThundercrotch
Profile Joined June 2012
United States265 Posts
December 14 2012 11:52 GMT
#1002
What was confusing to me is that Wolf and Khaldor were talking about how good Roro is. Fantasy didn't even have to macro and he was still beating Roro until Brood Lords came out.

That was an ugly series.
On June 30 2012 01:42 iNcontroL wrote: Fuck a lot of you. Fuck you forever.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8617 Posts
December 14 2012 11:52 GMT
#1003
On December 14 2012 20:46 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:44 T.O.P. wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:43 opterown wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:42 T.O.P. wrote:
You guys are all criticizing fantasy saying he's playing like shit. To me eyes, he's showing a way higher level of play than I have ever seen from a SC2 terran. His mechanics may be bad right now. It might always be bad, after all he has around 250 apm .

you must not watch many SC2 terrans then

No, I watched plenty. Compared to smart players like Fantasy, they play like retards.


I agree, the competition in SC2 thus far has been completely retarded

good on fantasy showing us some non-retarded games for once


The competition in SC2 really has been retarded thus far. But this games didn't change anything though...
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
December 14 2012 11:52 GMT
#1004
Slay him, Curious. Do it again.
The Bomber boy
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 14 2012 11:52 GMT
#1005
On December 14 2012 20:49 bgx wrote:


did you just edit out your warning? o.O
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
SlixSC
Profile Joined October 2012
666 Posts
December 14 2012 11:53 GMT
#1006
On December 14 2012 20:49 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:47 T.O.P. wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:45 ETisME wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:42 T.O.P. wrote:
You guys are all criticizing fantasy saying he's playing like shit. To me eyes, he's showing a way higher level of play than I have ever seen from a SC2 terran. His mechanics may be bad right now. It might always be bad, after all he has around 250 apm .

he had:
Supply block
no scan ahead before heading to a cliff
poor macro
idle medivac hanging on zerg's base after the drop is cleaned
no scan ahead to confirm tech switch

I can care less if he's getting supply blocked, or has poor macro or forget medivacs. This is mechanics. I'm talking about RTS intelligence.


You are opening a can of worms in this section. Not many people here will understand the notion you are trying to push, and what you are saying rarely happens in sc2. So in fact Fantasy even if he played intelligently but put mediocre macro would be crushed in SC2 circumstance where lining up your economy with timing will trump any intelligence.

User was warned for this post


seriously, fantasy made lots of mistakes and had really poor macro. He didn't deserve to win this game at all, not that Roro played well but he definitely played better. I really dont see the problem here...
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
December 14 2012 11:53 GMT
#1007
On December 14 2012 20:52 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:50 nkr wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:48 Vindicare605 wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:46 nkr wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:43 Vindicare605 wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:42 nkr wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:41 iKill wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:40 nkr wrote:
why does khaldor commentate like he always knows better than the players

just focus on calling what you see :/


That's the difference between playbyplay (which people often whine about) and analytical casting.
The problem is, analytical casting really doesn't sugarcoat fuckups from either player.


khaldor is not an analytical caster, he doesn't know the game nearly good enough to be in that role


Is this because he's saying things you don't like or because he's saying your preferred player is going to lose?

He's a decent analytical caster, not quite up to the Artosis standard but he's definitely not bad.


are you saying this because i said something you dont like or because your preferred caster is not getting positive feedback?

I disagree on the decent analytical caster, but I'm not going to change your mind I guess


No I'm saying what I'm saying because your comment is coming directly after a solid cast from Khaldor in which he calls out in no short order a fan favorite for incredibly obvious lapses in macromanagement and decision making.

There was nothing about any of his casts from this series that warrant the original comment you made about him. If you're making a general comment about a perceived lack of game knowledge then I sincerely recommend you try YOUR hand at casting so we can hear what yours sounds like.

I can say sincerely from personal experience that talking shit about a caster is much easier than actually doing it yourself.


so in order to hand out criticism you need to be better than the one you are criticiting? in that case, this forum would not have a single post


Considering you're using an appeal to authority fallacy I figure it'd be appropriate to use it on you. Happy now?


I'm not the one commentating.
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
December 14 2012 11:53 GMT
#1008
I can't see Genius winning this unless he's started, you know, practicing
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10134 Posts
December 14 2012 11:53 GMT
#1009
When will VODs be up ? I need to study those supply block timings,
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
December 14 2012 11:53 GMT
#1010
On December 14 2012 20:52 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:49 bgx wrote:


did you just edit out your warning? o.O

uh oh.
:)
Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
December 14 2012 11:54 GMT
#1011
On December 14 2012 20:52 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:49 bgx wrote:


did you just edit out your warning? o.O


Now I'll just have to take this other dude's advice. LOL.
WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
December 14 2012 11:54 GMT
#1012
Ultimately, I have to concede that was terrible. I really wonder what happened in his head to cause him to play like that, but I hope it doesn't persist. As long as this loss doesn't affect his PL performance, I give zero shits anyway.
eonDE
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada371 Posts
December 14 2012 11:54 GMT
#1013
i like wolf's obsession with hair ;p
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
December 14 2012 11:54 GMT
#1014
On December 14 2012 20:52 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote:
What was confusing to me is that Wolf and Khaldor were talking about how good Roro is. Fantasy didn't even have to macro and he was still beating Roro until Brood Lords came out.

That was an ugly series.


He was never actually beating him.

Regardless of what casters might have you believe at times, killing drones does not always equate to killing Zergs. Roro was in control of that last game from start to finish.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 14 2012 11:54 GMT
#1015
GSL S5 Code A Ro24
Genius vs Code A Lord Curious
Game 1
Map: Abyssal City

Genius spawns to the right
Curious spawns to the left
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
December 14 2012 11:54 GMT
#1016
On December 14 2012 20:53 mikedebo wrote:
I can't see Genius winning this unless he's started, you know, practicing

LoL practice best SC2 practice
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Inzan1ty
Profile Joined September 2012
1163 Posts
December 14 2012 11:54 GMT
#1017
On December 14 2012 20:47 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:45 Inzan1ty wrote:
BW legends just ...not very good at this game.

Funny that Rain and Bogus are the ones keeping KeSPa somewhat relevant.


There are way more than those 2 keeping KeSPa relevant, whether you like it or not.


Not really. Talking about the big BW guys.

FlaSh is kind of decent, nothing impressive

JaeDong, Bisu, Stork, Fantasy are all not any good, are they? They are rather laughable.

Rain is the player that can consistently beat top players, and Bogus looks at least promising.
RIP Seung Hyun 'Space' Park † 6/5/2013 - Undead hero and eSports rolemodel
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
December 14 2012 11:54 GMT
#1018
On December 14 2012 20:50 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:49 bgx wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:47 T.O.P. wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:45 ETisME wrote:
On December 14 2012 20:42 T.O.P. wrote:
You guys are all criticizing fantasy saying he's playing like shit. To me eyes, he's showing a way higher level of play than I have ever seen from a SC2 terran. His mechanics may be bad right now. It might always be bad, after all he has around 250 apm .

he had:
Supply block
no scan ahead before heading to a cliff
poor macro
idle medivac hanging on zerg's base after the drop is cleaned
no scan ahead to confirm tech switch

I can care less if he's getting supply blocked, or has poor macro or forget medivacs. This is mechanics. I'm talking about RTS intelligence.


You are opening a can of worms in this section. Not many people here will understand the notion you are trying to push, and what you are saying rarely happens in sc2. So in fact Fantasy even if he played intelligently but put mediocre macro would be crushed in SC2 circumstance where lining up your economy with timing will trump any intelligence.

User was warned for this post

what is this notion that we do not apparently understand?

Where people could play bad macro vs players with perfect macro in BW because they could task those players on different fronts. In SC2 macro has to perfectly lined up with anything you do otherwise you will fail. So players who had tendency not to prioritize macro but aggresive play in BW like Fantasy will have to prioritize macro play before anything else.
Stork[gm]
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
December 14 2012 11:54 GMT
#1019
On December 14 2012 20:52 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 20:49 bgx wrote:


did you just edit out your warning? o.O


LOL

Gogo Genius, time to go back to being a good player T_T
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
December 14 2012 11:54 GMT
#1020
Today's Genius is sponsored by Adidas.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Prev 1 49 50 51 52 53 70 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 19m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 231
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 11889
Artosis 817
ZergMaN 171
Shuttle 84
Noble 31
Bale 26
Icarus 5
Dota 2
monkeys_forever339
NeuroSwarm169
League of Legends
C9.Mang0468
Super Smash Bros
amsayoshi37
Other Games
tarik_tv5742
fl0m918
JimRising 547
Maynarde135
Mew2King68
kaitlyn11
Liquid`Ken2
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1482
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 11
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie3180
• Scarra2446
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
5h 19m
Wardi Open
8h 19m
OSC
1d 8h
Solar vs MaxPax
ByuN vs Krystianer
Spirit vs TBD
OSC
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
OSC
5 days
OSC
5 days
OSC
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Escore Tournament S1: W2
Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.