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Most ppl seem to agree that Ret threw the game..... i bet TL will cover this under the rug and start banning people for writing the truth.....
I mean instead of killing the third i make my lings and banelings sit and wait outside his forecfields for 1 min....... gosh i use to be a ret fan but now im definately a ret hater.... so weak should get a significant punishment from his team
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On November 24 2012 02:36 Husnan wrote: So, on stream 1, we have Ret sending wave after wave on banelings on forcefields and taking 6 bases at once, and on stream 2, we have Sase making Carriers and Mothership in a PvP...
This is utter bullshit, I have higher expectations of Dreamhack events, really.
When a game doesn't matter, DON'T FUCKING PLAY IT. I have better things to do than watch meaningless retarded games that might as well be played by my 9-year old drooling cousin.
I'm gonna watch Dota2, screw this.
Bye bye. Hope you don't come back.
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Naniwa because he's sweden, only rule.
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On November 24 2012 02:38 Vapaach wrote: Let's all go back in time a bit, and think about what happened in GSL. Naniwa purposely lost vs Nestea and guess what, he lost his code S seed. I am not trying to say here that Ret should be punished hardcore, but I am trying to say that it is not a small matter.
This was a match that didn't matter for both players. It might aswell have been a ladder match, Ret was free to do what he liked imo.
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On November 24 2012 02:40 LogiiK wrote: Naniwa because he's sweden, only rule.
read the rules you clown;;
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Base race on stream 2 Gogogogogogo SaSe
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On November 24 2012 02:38 Vapaach wrote: Let's all go back in time a bit, and think about what happened in GSL. Naniwa purposely lost vs Nestea and guess what, he lost his code S seed. I am not trying to say here that Ret should be punished hardcore, but I am trying to say that it is not a small matter.
Ret probably should not be allowed to take part in next two or three Dreamhack events?
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On November 24 2012 02:29 eu.xen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:22 Astro-Penguin wrote: See everyone calm the f down and stop harassing Ret now, geez this community is ridiculous! Always jumping to the worst conclusions... The admins wrote Apollo and he said if Ret loses that game NE is through over Naniwa. So it's quite understandable most of us thought while watching that Ret is unfairly throwing the game. Not everybody takes a break in watching, tries to figure out tie rules and do the math themselves when there was such a definite sounding clearcut answer given over the stream. God all you people having figured that out earlier, get over yourselves. You all know how this misunderstanding developed and now you just want to feel superior. In any case, the only one that got screwed here is Ret, cause 98% of tens of thousands of viewers thought he is throwing a game unfairly.
Do we know that's what they wrote? If that's the case, Ret DID throw a game unfairly and the criticism is justified. I don't see how you can know that though.
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On November 24 2012 02:37 caradoc wrote: Since all are tied with sets/wins/mapscore/head-to-head, we have to look at map score amongst tied
Map Score amongst tied naniwa 3-2 forgg 2-3 nightend 3-2
Forgg is eliminated, resulting in a two-way tie.
Again, both are tied with sets/wins/mapscore, but look at head-to-head
nighend 2-1 naniwa
naniwa eliminated.
Nightend is 3-3. PLEASE READ THE FUCKING THREAD FOR ONCE. he lost 1-2 to ForGG and won 2-1 against Naniwa. 2+1=3 so Nightend is 3-3. Ty basic mathematics... whatever, stop spreading this nonsense.
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On November 24 2012 02:39 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:37 HaXXspetten wrote:On November 24 2012 02:36 Fenrax wrote:On November 24 2012 02:33 Godwrath wrote:On November 24 2012 02:32 TheSwedishFan wrote: Answer this please What would have happened if Ret won 2 - 1? What part of being already a 0-1 Naniwa went through did you not understand ? The 0-1 part makes no sense. a) if head to head: nani advances in that situation and then the 0-1 doesnt matter. b) if map score: Ret advances and being 0-1 doesnt matter. he means that as soon as Ret dropped game 1, Naniwa was through which is true That still makes no sense. On what did the first game have any influence? a) if head to head counts for nani vs. ret: nani advances in that situation. The 0-1 doesnt matter because of head to head. b) if map score: Ret advances and being 0-1 doesnt matter because he still has the better map score.
On map score. He didn't have better map score, it would mean that if ret even got a 2-1, he would have a 3 way tie breaker against nani and forGG, and Nani was through.
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On November 24 2012 02:39 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:36 garbanzo wrote:On November 24 2012 02:34 Al Bundy wrote:On November 24 2012 02:31 mijellin wrote: There really needs to be a sticky post at the top of this thread telling everyone that ret throwing game 2 did not matter at all He threw the game. That's unacceptable, period. If anything, he should have forfeited the series instead of playing it and wasting everyone's time and discrediting the scene. Wanting to play a quicker game by doing a ling/baneling all-in is not the same as throwing the game away. If NightEnd wasn't ready for it Ret could have done a lot of damage and actually won the game. After the all-in failed he lost so he just had a bit of fun. Exactly. If he had GGd after the all in failed all the Naniwa fanbois wouldn't have flooded this thread with Naniwa style whining.
The person most reminiscent of Naniwa here is Ret though...
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Looks good for Feast here, I guess.
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On November 24 2012 02:36 Husnan wrote: So, on stream 1, we have Ret sending wave after wave on banelings on forcefields and taking 6 bases at once, and on stream 2, we have Sase making Carriers and Mothership in a PvP...
This is utter bullshit, I have higher expectations of Dreamhack events, really.
When a game doesn't matter, DON'T FUCKING PLAY IT. I have better things to do than watch meaningless retarded games that might as well be played by my 9-year old drooling cousin.
I'm gonna watch Dota2, screw this. Chill, Winston! Having fun when your all-in fails and its the last game of the torney is not the same as"throwing a game" So go walk it off... And Nuttin goin on them DOTA2 streams rite now anyways.......
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On November 24 2012 02:36 Husnan wrote: So, on stream 1, we have Ret sending wave after wave on banelings on forcefields and taking 6 bases at once, and on stream 2, we have Sase making Carriers and Mothership in a PvP...
This is utter bullshit, I have higher expectations of Dreamhack events, really.
When a game doesn't matter, DON'T FUCKING PLAY IT. I have better things to do than watch meaningless retarded games that might as well be played by my 9-year old drooling cousin.
I'm gonna watch Dota2, screw this.
Indeed.
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Russian Federation949 Posts
Sase threw this game.... completely on purpose like game two.
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This game should be a draw.
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On November 24 2012 02:40 Hylirion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:38 Vapaach wrote: Let's all go back in time a bit, and think about what happened in GSL. Naniwa purposely lost vs Nestea and guess what, he lost his code S seed. I am not trying to say here that Ret should be punished hardcore, but I am trying to say that it is not a small matter. This was a match that didn't matter for both players. It might aswell have been a ladder match, Ret was free to do what he liked imo.
In retrospect this seems to be true, but Nightend had no idea.
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On November 24 2012 02:38 NMHU. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:36 Husnan wrote: So, on stream 1, we have Ret sending wave after wave on banelings on forcefields and taking 6 bases at once, and on stream 2, we have Sase making Carriers and Mothership in a PvP...
This is utter bullshit, I have higher expectations of Dreamhack events, really.
When a game doesn't matter, DON'T FUCKING PLAY IT. I have better things to do than watch meaningless retarded games that might as well be played by my 9-year old drooling cousin.
I'm gonna watch Dota2, screw this. SO MUCH MAD These players call themselves professional - yet i see kids playing computer games.
You think throwing games even if there is no chance of advancing (for either players/team) is ok in other sports? No they would get their asses chewed out, rightly so (For the fans and for the sport).
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On November 24 2012 02:40 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:39 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 24 2012 02:36 garbanzo wrote:On November 24 2012 02:34 Al Bundy wrote:On November 24 2012 02:31 mijellin wrote: There really needs to be a sticky post at the top of this thread telling everyone that ret throwing game 2 did not matter at all He threw the game. That's unacceptable, period. If anything, he should have forfeited the series instead of playing it and wasting everyone's time and discrediting the scene. Wanting to play a quicker game by doing a ling/baneling all-in is not the same as throwing the game away. If NightEnd wasn't ready for it Ret could have done a lot of damage and actually won the game. After the all-in failed he lost so he just had a bit of fun. Exactly. If he had GGd after the all in failed all the Naniwa fanbois wouldn't have flooded this thread with Naniwa style whining. The person most reminiscent of Naniwa here is Ret though...
for doing an all in?
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On November 24 2012 02:39 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:37 HaXXspetten wrote:On November 24 2012 02:36 Fenrax wrote:On November 24 2012 02:33 Godwrath wrote:On November 24 2012 02:32 TheSwedishFan wrote: Answer this please What would have happened if Ret won 2 - 1? What part of being already a 0-1 Naniwa went through did you not understand ? The 0-1 part makes no sense. a) if head to head: nani advances in that situation and then the 0-1 doesnt matter. b) if map score: Ret advances and being 0-1 doesnt matter. he means that as soon as Ret dropped game 1, Naniwa was through which is true That still makes no sense. On what did the first game have any influence? a) if head to head counts for nani vs. ret: nani advances in that situation. The 0-1 doesnt matter because of head to head. b) if map score: Ret advances and being 0-1 doesnt matter because he still has the better map score. map score goes first
if Ret had won 2-0, he would have had better, clean and simple, Ret advances
Ret winning 2-1 would put him at 6-8 and Nani at 5-7, both of which equal minus two, but Nani advances on head-to-head
the fact that Ret won 6 and Nani 5 doesn't matter, only win/loss difference
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