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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10138 Posts
November 23 2012 17:38 GMT
#1741
On November 24 2012 02:37 caradoc wrote:
Since all are tied with sets/wins/mapscore/head-to-head, we have to look at map score amongst tied

Map Score amongst tied
naniwa 3-2
forgg 2-3
nightend 3-2

Forgg is eliminated, resulting in a two-way tie.

Again, both are tied with sets/wins/mapscore, but look at head-to-head

nighend 2-1 naniwa

naniwa eliminated.


Again. NIGHTEND IS 3-3 (2-1 forgg, 1-2 naniwa).
era909
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden139 Posts
November 23 2012 17:38 GMT
#1742
On November 24 2012 02:32 TheSwedishFan wrote:
Answer this please
What would have happened if Ret won 2 - 1?

Nani 5-7
forgg 5-7
Ret 6-8

All tied at 2-3 in games and -2 map score.

Internal mapscore would then decide:

nani 2-0 forgg
nani 2-1 ret

Nani advances.
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
November 23 2012 17:38 GMT
#1743
On November 24 2012 02:36 garbanzo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 02:34 Al Bundy wrote:
On November 24 2012 02:31 mijellin wrote:
There really needs to be a sticky post at the top of this thread telling everyone that ret throwing game 2 did not matter at all

He threw the game. That's unacceptable, period. If anything, he should have forfeited the series instead of playing it and wasting everyone's time and discrediting the scene.

Wanting to play a quicker game by doing a ling/baneling all-in is not the same as throwing the game away. If NightEnd wasn't ready for it Ret could have done a lot of damage and actually won the game. After the all-in failed he lost so he just had a bit of fun.


I see reason. It looks awesome.
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
Samahoj
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden109 Posts
November 23 2012 17:38 GMT
#1744
On November 24 2012 02:37 caradoc wrote:
Since all are tied with sets/wins/mapscore/head-to-head, we have to look at map score amongst tied

Map Score amongst tied
naniwa 3-2
forgg 2-3
nightend 3-2

Forgg is eliminated, resulting in a two-way tie.

Again, both are tied with sets/wins/mapscore, but look at head-to-head

nighend 2-1 naniwa

naniwa eliminated.

except ne is 3-3, not 3-2
MORROW, NANIWA, SASE, THORZAIN, SORTOF | NTH, PULSE, LGD.INT
NMHU.
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada110 Posts
November 23 2012 17:38 GMT
#1745
On November 24 2012 02:36 Husnan wrote:
So, on stream 1, we have Ret sending wave after wave on banelings on forcefields and taking 6 bases at once, and on stream 2, we have Sase making Carriers and Mothership in a PvP...

This is utter bullshit, I have higher expectations of Dreamhack events, really.

When a game doesn't matter, DON'T FUCKING PLAY IT.
I have better things to do than watch meaningless retarded games that might as well be played by my 9-year old drooling cousin.

I'm gonna watch Dota2, screw this.


SO

MUCH

MAD
Vapaach
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland994 Posts
November 23 2012 17:38 GMT
#1746
Let's all go back in time a bit, and think about what happened in GSL. Naniwa purposely lost vs Nestea and guess what, he lost his code S seed. I am not trying to say here that Ret should be punished hardcore, but I am trying to say that it is not a small matter.
If you never try you never know. Sase - Mana - TLO - WhiteRa - Naniwa - Sheth - HuK
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
November 23 2012 17:38 GMT
#1747
On November 24 2012 02:33 caradoc wrote:
Dear dreamhack Gods, please place HerO and Taeja on opposite sides of the tournament.


Ha, we all know the Dreamhack Gods are vengeful deities with an appetite for Liquid suffering.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 23 2012 17:38 GMT
#1748
On November 24 2012 02:37 caradoc wrote:
Since all are tied with sets/wins/mapscore/head-to-head, we have to look at map score amongst tied

Map Score amongst tied
naniwa 3-2
forgg 2-3
nightend 3-2

Forgg is eliminated, resulting in a two-way tie.

Again, both are tied with sets/wins/mapscore, but look at head-to-head

nighend 2-1 naniwa

naniwa eliminated.


Nightend is 3-3 for fuck sakes.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
narkissos
Profile Joined December 2011
198 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 17:41:06
November 23 2012 17:38 GMT
#1749
On November 24 2012 02:32 TheSwedishFan wrote:
Answer this please
What would have happened if Ret won 2 - 1?


Naniwa would go through

Ret 1-4
Nani 4-1
Forgg 2-2

Ret needed 2-0 for the overall better mapscore Nightend was already out he just didn´t know it.

edit perhaps lucky for Nani that Nightend didn´t know.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 17:39:04
November 23 2012 17:38 GMT
#1750
On November 24 2012 02:37 caradoc wrote:
Since all are tied with sets/wins/mapscore/head-to-head, we have to look at map score amongst tied

Map Score amongst tied
naniwa 3-2
forgg 2-3
nightend 3-2

Forgg is eliminated, resulting in a two-way tie.

Again, both are tied with sets/wins/mapscore, but look at head-to-head

nighend 2-1 naniwa

naniwa eliminated.

you don't make a two step elimination process wtf, it's a three-way tie, not a two-way tie, the second part is irrelevant, Nani wins on internal mapscore

also Nightend is 3-3*
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 17:48:54
November 23 2012 17:38 GMT
#1751
On November 24 2012 02:23 Anonymous_Coward wrote:
I still don't see how Ret wouldn't have gone through if he won 2-1.

Because there would have been 3 players at 2-3: ForGG, Ret, Naniwa. And Ret lost to both of them so he would be the last one among those.

On the second thought he would have been 6-7 on the maps and Naniwa and ForGG would have been 5-7, and since mapscore difference is counted before head-to-head he should go through

On the 3rd thought he would have been 6-8 on mapscore and a head-to-head would be taken
Astro-Penguin
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
554 Posts
November 23 2012 17:39 GMT
#1752
On November 24 2012 02:38 NMHU. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 02:36 Husnan wrote:
So, on stream 1, we have Ret sending wave after wave on banelings on forcefields and taking 6 bases at once, and on stream 2, we have Sase making Carriers and Mothership in a PvP...

This is utter bullshit, I have higher expectations of Dreamhack events, really.

When a game doesn't matter, DON'T FUCKING PLAY IT.
I have better things to do than watch meaningless retarded games that might as well be played by my 9-year old drooling cousin.

I'm gonna watch Dota2, screw this.


SO

MUCH

MAD


ahaha it amazes me how easily people get offended, they expect pro gamers to behave like saints and make no wrong decisions ever....
Incomplet
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1419 Posts
November 23 2012 17:39 GMT
#1753
On November 24 2012 02:36 Hylirion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 02:35 Antithesis wrote:
On November 24 2012 02:33 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On November 24 2012 02:31 Dotq wrote:
LOL, now it says NANIWA is out.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_DreamHack_Open/Winter


nasl sound guy editing liquipedia

Ahahaha.


Thank god BWC/WCS soundguy is sleeping then.


I believe he has a name....

[image loading]
Bow down to the sons of Aiur...SKT1_Rain, CreatorPrime, ST_Parting, Liquid_Hero.
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
November 23 2012 17:39 GMT
#1754
e^iπ = -1, therefore God exists. Now STFU already
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
November 23 2012 17:39 GMT
#1755
On November 24 2012 02:37 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 02:36 Fenrax wrote:
On November 24 2012 02:33 Godwrath wrote:
On November 24 2012 02:32 TheSwedishFan wrote:
Answer this please
What would have happened if Ret won 2 - 1?


What part of being already a 0-1 Naniwa went through did you not understand ?


The 0-1 part makes no sense.

a) if head to head: nani advances in that situation and then the 0-1 doesnt matter.
b) if map score: Ret advances and being 0-1 doesnt matter.

he means that as soon as Ret dropped game 1, Naniwa was through

which is true


That still makes no sense. On what did the first game have any influence?

a) if head to head counts for nani vs. ret: nani advances in that situation. The 0-1 doesnt matter because of head to head.

b) if map score: Ret advances and being 0-1 doesnt matter because he still has the better map score.
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
November 23 2012 17:39 GMT
#1756
On November 24 2012 02:37 caradoc wrote:
Since all are tied with sets/wins/mapscore/head-to-head, we have to look at map score amongst tied

Map Score amongst tied
naniwa 3-2
forgg 2-3
nightend 3-2

Forgg is eliminated, resulting in a two-way tie.

Again, both are tied with sets/wins/mapscore, but look at head-to-head

nighend 2-1 naniwa

naniwa eliminated.

No. Look at the individual matches.
Naniwa 2-0 ForGG
Nightend 2-1 Naniwa
ForGG 2-1 Nightend

Nightend is 3-3, not 3-2. Hence, Naniwa is through.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9776 Posts
November 23 2012 17:39 GMT
#1757
On November 24 2012 02:36 garbanzo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 02:34 Al Bundy wrote:
On November 24 2012 02:31 mijellin wrote:
There really needs to be a sticky post at the top of this thread telling everyone that ret throwing game 2 did not matter at all

He threw the game. That's unacceptable, period. If anything, he should have forfeited the series instead of playing it and wasting everyone's time and discrediting the scene.

Wanting to play a quicker game by doing a ling/baneling all-in is not the same as throwing the game away. If NightEnd wasn't ready for it Ret could have done a lot of damage and actually won the game. After the all-in failed he lost so he just had a bit of fun.


Exactly. If he had GGd after the all in failed all the Naniwa fanbois wouldn't have flooded this thread with Naniwa style whining.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
November 23 2012 17:39 GMT
#1758
On November 24 2012 02:36 Astro-Penguin wrote:
Deal with it, theres no way to prove that he did unlike the Naniwa Probe Rush incident which a bunch of people seem so obligated to get butthurt over, don't expect someone to be on their A game when they realize that they are out of the tournament.

On November 24 2012 02:36 garbanzo wrote:
Wanting to play a quicker game by doing a ling/baneling all-in is not the same as throwing the game away. If NightEnd wasn't ready for it Ret could have done a lot of damage and actually won the game. After the all-in failed he lost so he just had a bit of fun.

Did you guys even watch the game? Anyway let's move on.
o choro é livre
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
November 23 2012 17:39 GMT
#1759
On November 24 2012 02:37 caradoc wrote:
Since all are tied with sets/wins/mapscore/head-to-head, we have to look at map score amongst tied

Map Score amongst tied
naniwa 3-2
forgg 2-3
nightend 3-2

Forgg is eliminated, resulting in a two-way tie.

Again, both are tied with sets/wins/mapscore, but look at head-to-head

nighend 2-1 naniwa

naniwa eliminated.

You fail at basic math lol.
Off-season = best season
StarCraft2
Profile Joined October 2012
160 Posts
November 23 2012 17:39 GMT
#1760
On November 24 2012 02:34 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 02:32 StarCraft2 wrote:
On November 24 2012 02:31 Integra wrote:
On November 24 2012 02:29 StarCraft2 wrote:
Nani is through, but this we already knew (well I did) and it does not change Retjes behavior, at all. Man I've followed you since your BW run though Korea, didn't think this of you Ret. Oh well, reals fans don't give up so easily, and I won't, but you better spoon Naz tonight!

Source please, and don't use the outdated dreamhack bracket, Apollo, or liquipedia.

Hellspawn

Give a damn link or something, lol.

Just trust me, I'm legit.
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