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On November 24 2012 02:39 Almtom wrote:
Most ppl seem to agree that Ret threw the game..... i bet TL will cover this under the rug and start banning people for writing the truth.....
I mean instead of killing the third i make my lings and banelings sit and wait outside his forecfields for 1 min....... gosh i use to be a ret fan but now im definately a ret hater.... so weak should get a significant punishment from his team
The game was meaningless, he played it out, no harm done.
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On November 24 2012 02:43 bjornkavist wrote:The past 10 pages of this thread... Makes me weep for Esports 
more like weep for the next generation of mathematicians
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On November 24 2012 02:43 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:41 Vapaach wrote:On November 24 2012 02:40 Hylirion wrote:On November 24 2012 02:38 Vapaach wrote:
Let's all go back in time a bit, and think about what happened in GSL. Naniwa purposely lost vs Nestea and guess what, he lost his code S seed. I am not trying to say here that Ret should be punished hardcore, but I am trying to say that it is not a small matter. This was a match that didn't matter for both players. It might aswell have been a ladder match, Ret was free to do what he liked imo. In retrospect this seems to be true, but Nightend had no idea. Yeah he was happy to accept Ret throwing it...
To be honest i feel bad for him.
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On November 24 2012 02:41 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:40 TheDougler wrote:On November 24 2012 02:39 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 24 2012 02:36 garbanzo wrote:On November 24 2012 02:34 Al Bundy wrote:On November 24 2012 02:31 mijellin wrote:
There really needs to be a sticky post at the top of this thread telling everyone that ret throwing game 2 did not matter at all He threw the game. That's unacceptable, period. If anything, he should have forfeited the series instead of playing it and wasting everyone's time and discrediting the scene. Wanting to play a quicker game by doing a ling/baneling all-in is not the same as throwing the game away. If NightEnd wasn't ready for it Ret could have done a lot of damage and actually won the game. After the all-in failed he lost so he just had a bit of fun. Exactly. If he had GGd after the all in failed all the Naniwa fanbois wouldn't have flooded this thread with Naniwa style whining. The person most reminiscent of Naniwa here is Ret though... for doing an all in?
Maybe you weren't around when Naniwa probe rushed Nestea in a meaningless game and all of Korea went ape shit?
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As a Naniwa fan this is pretty tense... but granted even if Naniwa doesn't get through Nightend will which is equally as a cool
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On November 24 2012 02:41 crazyazor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:38 NMHU. wrote:On November 24 2012 02:36 Husnan wrote:
So, on stream 1, we have Ret sending wave after wave on banelings on forcefields and taking 6 bases at once, and on stream 2, we have Sase making Carriers and Mothership in a PvP...
This is utter bullshit, I have higher expectations of Dreamhack events, really.
When a game doesn't matter, DON'T FUCKING PLAY IT.
I have better things to do than watch meaningless retarded games that might as well be played by my 9-year old drooling cousin.
I'm gonna watch Dota2, screw this. SO MUCH MAD These players call themselves professional - yet i see kids playing computer games. You think throwing games even if there is no chance of advancing (for either players/team) is ok in other sports? No they would get their asses chewed out, rightly so (For the fans and for the sport).
A lot of football teams put in their B-players when they are allready through in a group stage...
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Do people actually like this format? Scenarios like this shouldn't even be possible. Ret could have half assed a macro game for appearances and we'd have the same result without the drama. This probably happens all the time but it's impossible to make accusations when it isn't super obvious. You can't expect being out of the tournament to just not influence anyone's play.
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On November 24 2012 02:40 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:39 Fenrax wrote:On November 24 2012 02:37 HaXXspetten wrote:On November 24 2012 02:36 Fenrax wrote:On November 24 2012 02:33 Godwrath wrote:On November 24 2012 02:32 TheSwedishFan wrote:
Answer this please
What would have happened if Ret won 2 - 1? What part of being already a 0-1 Naniwa went through did you not understand ? The 0-1 part makes no sense. a) if head to head: nani advances in that situation and then the 0-1 doesnt matter. b) if map score: Ret advances and being 0-1 doesnt matter. he means that as soon as Ret dropped game 1, Naniwa was through which is true That still makes no sense. On what did the first game have any influence? a) if head to head counts for nani vs. ret: nani advances in that situation. The 0-1 doesnt matter because of head to head. b) if map score: Ret advances and being 0-1 doesnt matter because he still has the better map score. On map score. He didn't have better map score, it would mean that if ret even got a 2-1, he would have a 3 way tie breaker against nani and forGG, and Nani was through.
kk. Liquipedia had the wrong map score for Ret -_-
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On November 24 2012 02:42 qqK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:40 Hylirion wrote:On November 24 2012 02:38 Vapaach wrote:
Let's all go back in time a bit, and think about what happened in GSL. Naniwa purposely lost vs Nestea and guess what, he lost his code S seed. I am not trying to say here that Ret should be punished hardcore, but I am trying to say that it is not a small matter. This was a match that didn't matter for both players. It might aswell have been a ladder match, Ret was free to do what he liked imo. Nestea vs. Nani was just as meaningless.
And Nani got punished hard for that.
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On November 24 2012 02:32 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:29 eu.xen wrote:On November 24 2012 02:22 Astro-Penguin wrote:
See everyone calm the f down and stop harassing Ret now, geez this community is ridiculous! Always jumping to the worst conclusions... The admins wrote Apollo and he said if Ret loses that game NE is through over Naniwa. So it's quite understandable most of us thought while watching that Ret is unfairly throwing the game. Not everybody takes a break in watching, tries to figure out tie rules and do the math themselves when there was such a definite sounding clearcut answer given over the stream. God all you people having figured that out earlier, get over yourselves. You all know how this misunderstanding developed and now you just want to feel superior. In any case, the only one that got screwed here is Ret, cause 98% of tens of thousands of viewers thought he is throwing a game unfairly. Not only that but it shouldn't matter whether Ret throwing the game affects the results or not. It didn't when Naniwa did it and look at the shitstorm that caused.
The Naniwa shitstorm wasn't justified though, so from my point of view that's a terrible example.
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Russian Federation949 Posts
Zerg that beats Koreans all the time and one of the better hopes to take them down doesnt advance cause of game throwing.
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So did Naniwa advance or not??
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On November 24 2012 02:42 garbanzo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:39 Al Bundy wrote:On November 24 2012 02:36 Astro-Penguin wrote:
Deal with it, theres no way to prove that he did unlike the Naniwa Probe Rush incident which a bunch of people seem so obligated to get butthurt over, don't expect someone to be on their A game when they realize that they are out of the tournament. On November 24 2012 02:36 garbanzo wrote:
Wanting to play a quicker game by doing a ling/baneling all-in is not the same as throwing the game away. If NightEnd wasn't ready for it Ret could have done a lot of damage and actually won the game. After the all-in failed he lost so he just had a bit of fun. Did you guys even watch the game? Anyway let's move on. What about my statement is wrong? Sure he could have attacked the third instead of pushing against the forcefields. You could also argue that he just made the wrong call thinking that there wasn't going to be any more forcefields. Remove the fact that this was a completely meaningless game and you would just think he's making poor, misinformed decisions and nothing more.
He a-moved into a Protoss army full of sentries up a ramp, and went afk for 1 minute... Nobody does that, not even bronze players.
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On November 24 2012 02:41 SushilS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:36 Husnan wrote:
So, on stream 1, we have Ret sending wave after wave on banelings on forcefields and taking 6 bases at once, and on stream 2, we have Sase making Carriers and Mothership in a PvP...
This is utter bullshit, I have higher expectations of Dreamhack events, really.
When a game doesn't matter, DON'T FUCKING PLAY IT.
I have better things to do than watch meaningless retarded games that might as well be played by my 9-year old drooling cousin.
I'm gonna watch Dota2, screw this. Chill, Winston! Having fun when your all-in fails and its the last game of the torney is not the same as"throwing a game" So go walk it off... And Nuttin goin on them DOTA2 streams rite now anyways.......
I don't think you watched the game. He didn't even try. His lings and banes could have gone up to the third and slaughtered it, but he went up the ramp, then right back down again and just let all his army die against the forcefields.
So it's not that his all-in failed, he did indeed not even try.
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On November 24 2012 02:43 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:41 shabby wrote:On November 24 2012 02:40 Kilby wrote:On November 24 2012 02:38 Vapaach wrote:
Let's all go back in time a bit, and think about what happened in GSL. Naniwa purposely lost vs Nestea and guess what, he lost his code S seed. I am not trying to say here that Ret should be punished hardcore, but I am trying to say that it is not a small matter. Ret probably should not be allowed to take part in next two or three Dreamhack events? That's my opinion, should just ban him from a couple events for wasting peoples time. Should Sase be banned as well?
Banned because people watched 10 seconds of a pvp and didn't understand what was happening?
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On November 24 2012 02:43 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:41 shabby wrote:On November 24 2012 02:40 Kilby wrote:On November 24 2012 02:38 Vapaach wrote:
Let's all go back in time a bit, and think about what happened in GSL. Naniwa purposely lost vs Nestea and guess what, he lost his code S seed. I am not trying to say here that Ret should be punished hardcore, but I am trying to say that it is not a small matter. Ret probably should not be allowed to take part in next two or three Dreamhack events? That's my opinion, should just ban him from a couple events for wasting peoples time. Should Sase be banned as well?
Didn't watch the mothership game, but I watched game 1 and 3 and those were played well.
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what sase did was way worse, wfhuiewbgfuiew
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On November 24 2012 02:43 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 24 2012 02:40 TheDougler wrote:On November 24 2012 02:39 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 24 2012 02:36 garbanzo wrote:On November 24 2012 02:34 Al Bundy wrote:On November 24 2012 02:31 mijellin wrote:
There really needs to be a sticky post at the top of this thread telling everyone that ret throwing game 2 did not matter at all He threw the game. That's unacceptable, period. If anything, he should have forfeited the series instead of playing it and wasting everyone's time and discrediting the scene. Wanting to play a quicker game by doing a ling/baneling all-in is not the same as throwing the game away. If NightEnd wasn't ready for it Ret could have done a lot of damage and actually won the game. After the all-in failed he lost so he just had a bit of fun. Exactly. If he had GGd after the all in failed all the Naniwa fanbois wouldn't have flooded this thread with Naniwa style whining. The person most reminiscent of Naniwa here is Ret though... for doing an all in? Maybe you weren't around when Naniwa probe rushed Nestea in a meaningless game and all of Korea went ape shit?
Yes but Ret's all in could have won him the game...
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On November 24 2012 02:44 Hylirion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:41 crazyazor wrote:On November 24 2012 02:38 NMHU. wrote:On November 24 2012 02:36 Husnan wrote:
So, on stream 1, we have Ret sending wave after wave on banelings on forcefields and taking 6 bases at once, and on stream 2, we have Sase making Carriers and Mothership in a PvP...
This is utter bullshit, I have higher expectations of Dreamhack events, really.
When a game doesn't matter, DON'T FUCKING PLAY IT.
I have better things to do than watch meaningless retarded games that might as well be played by my 9-year old drooling cousin.
I'm gonna watch Dota2, screw this. SO MUCH MAD These players call themselves professional - yet i see kids playing computer games. You think throwing games even if there is no chance of advancing (for either players/team) is ok in other sports? No they would get their asses chewed out, rightly so (For the fans and for the sport). A lot of football teams put in their B-players when they are allready through in a group stage...
Yet they still try right and put a game on?
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