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On November 24 2012 01:30 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 01:26 TheBB wrote:
Well, I just have to say this.
Can tournaments please just release a fucking rulebook? This could be so damn simple but instead we're having these discussions.
I'm confused and I'm going home. Someone else do the wiki. It's the golden rule of SC2 tournaments, make shit as complicated as possible: 1) make sure that no one of the commentators knows the score. 2) make sure there is no central way for people to know the actual score, make them use third sources, such as liquipedia3) make sure the bracket system is impossible to understand. 4) make sure that the calculation of how each player advances is as hard as possible to figure out.
Yeah, and here we sit updating liquipedia, creating the best damn circular logic in the universe.
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On November 24 2012 01:28 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 01:27 Conquest101 wrote:On November 24 2012 01:25 Integra wrote:On November 24 2012 01:23 Conquest101 wrote:
Pretty sure that for Dreamhack a 6-8 score is better than a 5-7 score and mapscore takes precedence over head to head. Meaning that if Ret wins 2-0 OR 2-1 he goes through over Naniwa.
Also, if Snute loses 0-2, he does not advance. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. DH has some wonky rules tbh. Snute advances no matter what since he beat the opponent earlier that he would tie with for third place should he lose 0-2 O_o But again, for DH, mapscore takes precedence over head to head. What we need confirmation on is if DH considers a 6-8 better than a 5-7 in map score, or equal. Both are a 0. After that it goes to head to head. That's the easy fix.
If Ret wins 2-0, he goes through due to map score.
If Ret wins 2-1, there's a 3 way tie, and internal map score comes into play. Naniwa would be 3-2, ForGG 2-2, Ret 0-4. Naniwa goes through.
If Nightend wins 2-1, there's a 2-way tie between Naniwa and ForGG, Naniwa goes through due to head2head.
If Nightend wins 2-1, there's a 3 way tie, and internal map score comes into play. Naniwa would be 3-2, ForGG 2-3, Nightend 3-3. Naniwa goes through.
Edit: This means ForGG is out. So is Nightend.
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On November 24 2012 01:31 Derez wrote:
Kind of can't help but root for Nightend/Nani. I really don't want Ret to advance off g2 vs hero.
What happened?
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On November 24 2012 01:30 AtlasEndured wrote:
ForGG is not out. If Nightend 2-0's Ret, FOrGG, Nightend, and Nani are all 5-7 map score, 2-3 overall score. Nan>For>Night>Nan
Then it's internal mapscore within the tie.
Nani 3-2
NE 3-3
ForGG 2-3
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Ok. Go go Ret!  2-0
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Snute is through even if he loses 0-2 to fraer right? Snute has 5-5 at the moment, thestc has 6-8. If snute loses 0-2 he gets 5-7, which leaves -2 in map score, the same as thestc, but snute beat thestc. Or does stc go through because he has won more maps?
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Although this is all slightly amusing, it's pretty bad casters aren't fully informed on how tiebreakers work for the tournament they're casting. Whether this is on the casters or on the tournament I don't know. I hope the DH/ESL/MLG partnership will take a look at tiebreaker rules and unify them and release them publicly.
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On November 24 2012 01:31 Derez wrote:
Kind of can't help but root for Nightend/Nani. I really don't want Ret to advance off g2 vs hero.
What did I miss?
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On November 24 2012 01:33 Chenz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 01:28 Godwrath wrote:On November 24 2012 01:27 Conquest101 wrote:On November 24 2012 01:25 Integra wrote:On November 24 2012 01:23 Conquest101 wrote:
Pretty sure that for Dreamhack a 6-8 score is better than a 5-7 score and mapscore takes precedence over head to head. Meaning that if Ret wins 2-0 OR 2-1 he goes through over Naniwa.
Also, if Snute loses 0-2, he does not advance. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. DH has some wonky rules tbh. Snute advances no matter what since he beat the opponent earlier that he would tie with for third place should he lose 0-2 O_o But again, for DH, mapscore takes precedence over head to head. What we need confirmation on is if DH considers a 6-8 better than a 5-7 in map score, or equal. Both are a 0. After that it goes to head to head. That's the easy fix. If Ret wins 2-1, he goes through due to map score.
If Ret wins 2-1, there's a 3 way tie, and internal map score comes into play. Naniwa would be 3-2, ForGG 2-2, Ret 0-4. Naniwa goes through.If Nightend wins 2-1, there's a 2-way tie between Naniwa and ForGG, Naniwa goes through due to head2head. If Nightend wins 2-1, there's a 3 way tie, and internal map score comes into play. Naniwa would be 3-2, ForGG 2-3, Nightend 3-3. Naniwa goes through.
so if Ret goes 2-1, Nani and Ret both advance and we have 4 people advancing from group D
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Liquipedia backed down. Hell is freezing over!
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just looked at liquipedia... lol stephano 
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On November 24 2012 01:33 obesemk wrote:
Snute is through even if he loses 0-2 to fraer right? Snute has 5-5 at the moment, thestc has 6-8. If snute loses 0-2 he gets 5-7, which leaves -2 in map score, the same as thestc, but snute beat thestc. Or does stc go through because he has won more maps?
This is what we've arguing about the past 3 pages, we don't know the exact format but it's either 1 of the 2 you said
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On November 24 2012 01:33 Art.FeeL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 01:31 Derez wrote:
Kind of can't help but root for Nightend/Nani. I really don't want Ret to advance off g2 vs hero. What happened?
It felt like HerO threw the game pretty hard. He went for a immortal sentry all-in with 5 sentries and like 4 gateways lol. Kind of funny considering the game before he did a proper immortal sentry all-in 
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GO NIGHTEND! You have such a sweet voice!
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On November 24 2012 01:34 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 01:33 Chenz wrote:On November 24 2012 01:28 Godwrath wrote:On November 24 2012 01:27 Conquest101 wrote:On November 24 2012 01:25 Integra wrote:On November 24 2012 01:23 Conquest101 wrote:
Pretty sure that for Dreamhack a 6-8 score is better than a 5-7 score and mapscore takes precedence over head to head. Meaning that if Ret wins 2-0 OR 2-1 he goes through over Naniwa.
Also, if Snute loses 0-2, he does not advance. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. DH has some wonky rules tbh. Snute advances no matter what since he beat the opponent earlier that he would tie with for third place should he lose 0-2 O_o But again, for DH, mapscore takes precedence over head to head. What we need confirmation on is if DH considers a 6-8 better than a 5-7 in map score, or equal. Both are a 0. After that it goes to head to head. That's the easy fix. If Ret wins 2-1, he goes through due to map score.
If Ret wins 2-1, there's a 3 way tie, and internal map score comes into play. Naniwa would be 3-2, ForGG 2-2, Ret 0-4. Naniwa goes through.If Nightend wins 2-1, there's a 2-way tie between Naniwa and ForGG, Naniwa goes through due to head2head. If Nightend wins 2-1, there's a 3 way tie, and internal map score comes into play. Naniwa would be 3-2, ForGG 2-3, Nightend 3-3. Naniwa goes through. so if Ret goes 2-1, Nani and Ret both advance and we have 4 people advancing from group D
Sorry, should obviously be 2-0. Fixed it.
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On November 24 2012 01:33 obesemk wrote:
Snute is through even if he loses 0-2 to fraer right? Snute has 5-5 at the moment, thestc has 6-8. If snute loses 0-2 he gets 5-7, which leaves -2 in map score, the same as thestc, but snute beat thestc. Or does stc go through because he has won more maps?
DH go first by map score. 6-8 is better than 5-7, so snute is out and STC is through.
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On November 24 2012 01:33 era909 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 01:30 AtlasEndured wrote:
ForGG is not out. If Nightend 2-0's Ret, FOrGG, Nightend, and Nani are all 5-7 map score, 2-3 overall score. Nan>For>Night>Nan Then it's internal mapscore within the tie. Nani 3-2 NE 3-3 ForGG 2-3
What the hell is internal mapscore? I've never heard of it being used before. Could I see where that is in the rulebook?
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On November 24 2012 01:34 Hylirion wrote:
Liquipedia backed down. Hell is freezing over!
Not surprising, considering that the liquipedia guys are in this thread and have no clue :D
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ROFL Nazgul gets pwned on #1
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EPT
