EPT[Code S] RO8 Day 1 2012 GSL Season 5 - Page 7
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eMGmoG
Switzerland244 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On November 20 2012 08:15 Kasaraki wrote: Hahaha. ^_^; MKP tears are the sweetest tears. Indeed. This should be played when Creator wins: | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6169 Posts
On November 20 2012 08:28 Fjodorov wrote: I wonder how creators participation in BWC will affect him in his games against Hyun. With Hyuns IPL matches there is certainly enough material to work with and learn about his style but i doubt Creator has had enough time. True, but the same can be said of Hyun's last 3 or 4 FC opponents. They know what Hyun does, and he still wins. Hyun, on the other hand, probably was paying a lot of attention to Creator's timings throughout the BWC, and hasn't had to travel anywhere. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
Not good for Creator at all. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
On November 19 2012 05:25 Hiea wrote: Have you heard of TotalBiscuit? know about him since back in WoW, he is a master of hype, and he sure has done his part hyping up Ryung, not to mention Ryung is still a "TvT Specialist" because he accomplished pretty much nothing since his other Ro8 back in the GomTvT days. And ontop of that, the vast majority of people still believe MKP has awful TvT just because he has like 25 losses to Mvp :D Totally understandable :D although it is sad for me to have Ryung go up against MKP, like both of them very much ryung has looked like the best terran in this season so far. Anyway tehse players are the opposites of the each other. Marineking is the attack attack guy. Ryung is the positional player. I think it's possible that RYung can outsmart Marineking in this series and I have him as a small favourite. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6169 Posts
On November 20 2012 08:41 Dodgin wrote: Hyun also has every replay from Creator's PvZ at BWC, they are publicly available for download. Not good for Creator at all. Sweet! I can get some Terran replays and... oh wait. ;D Still, that's another point towards Hyun's favor. If he can avoid his nerves, and pretend it's just another HyunClub, he might do okay. Zerg seems to be his toughest challenge while his vP (according to TLPD) is his strongest match up. Edit: Dammit, where's TheBB when you need him? | ||
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Walitgon
Australia550 Posts
It's a very small factor imho | ||
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KaRath_
Australia245 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On November 20 2012 08:51 Walitgon wrote: Why is everybody so worried about recent replays of Creator? Just because you know one of a few builds is coming doesn't mean you can stop it... Everybody at BWC had his replays to watch too, they couldn't stop him. It's a very small factor imho Creator nearly lost to Vortix after exposing his PvZ style in group play. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
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Habitus
United Kingdom120 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On November 20 2012 08:51 Walitgon wrote: Why is everybody so worried about recent replays of Creator? Just because you know one of a few builds is coming doesn't mean you can stop it... Everybody at BWC had his replays to watch too, they couldn't stop him. It's a very small factor imho It's a huge deal, actually. The only reason it didn't come into play more at BWC is because it was a two day tournament with very little time between games. Did you not read Parting's winner interview where he mentioned Suppy looked at his replays vs Scarlett in the previous round? Suppy almost won that series. Of course It's possible Hyun still won't be able to stop his 3 base all ins but if Creator is smart which he is he might do some different builds. | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
Go Ryung & Hyun! | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32755 Posts
On November 20 2012 08:51 Walitgon wrote: Why is everybody so worried about recent replays of Creator? Just because you know one of a few builds is coming doesn't mean you can stop it... Everybody at BWC had his replays to watch too, they couldn't stop him. It's a very small factor imho The difference is that HyuN has time to prepare a lot more for Creator beyond a few hours, and he has the luxury of having other TSL players give advice. Knowing how to counter a build, especially prepared specifically for a player can be devastating for Creator because it takes away all that preparation and thinking behind that build. | ||
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derpface
Sweden925 Posts
Well if he doesnt win atleast he will become 2nd | ||
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Walitgon
Australia550 Posts
On November 20 2012 09:08 Dodgin wrote: It's a huge deal, actually. The only reason it didn't come into play more at BWC is because it was a two day tournament with very little time between games. Did you not read Parting's winner interview where he mentioned Suppy looked at his replays vs Scarlett in the previous round? Suppy almost won that series. Of course It's possible Hyun still won't be able to stop his 3 base all ins but if Creator is smart which he is he might do some different builds. True but let's say Hyun sees creator take three bases and expects one of the three pre-hive timings: (a) +3 mass blink stalker push; (b) +3 immortal + gateway push; or (c) +3 chargelot collosus push. I can't imagine replays helping that much in such a situation. - If you noticed that Creator loves (a), you go mass ling infestor; if he decides to do (c), you're dead. - If you see robo and you go mass roach corrupter and Creator picked (b), you're dead. - If you expect see a robo but no support bay and mass up spines which are effective against (b) and then Creator goes (c), you're in trouble again. Of course, replays may help you work out things like: (a) How often Creator will go two base all-in; (b) When Creator opens stargate; whether he hides phoenix; (c) Whether he's susceptible to counter-aggression; (d) Whether he skimps on defence which is exploitable; (e) Whether he opts for early DT play; and so on. However, I just don't see that mattering that much. Creator is too solid. Thus: (a) Even if Creator goes two base all-in, he can still win it with execution (wonwonwon style) (b) So what if Creator hides his phoenix? A queen and forced spores plus a few drones is already cost-efficient. (c) I don't think Creator has a huge weakness in being susceptible to counter-aggression, so what is there to find? (d) I don't think Creator skimps on defence; he plays a very solid style, not really taking outrageously timed 3rds or 4ths. (e) He generally doesn't opt for gimmicky play like DTs, and so on. Hence why I don't think viewing his replays is that useful. It's not like, e.g. MVP v Life where it is patently obvious that Life is so ling heavy and avoids roaches at all costs, therefore opening himself to blue-flame play. I can't see anything in Creator's play that makes you think 'wow, this is going to be a big benefit to me'. But then again, I've been wrong before. -_- | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On November 20 2012 09:22 Walitgon wrote: True but let's say Hyun sees creator take three bases and expects one of the three pre-hive timings: (a) +3 mass blink stalker push; (b) +3 immortal + gateway push; or (c) +3 chargelot collosus push. I can't imagine replays helping that much in such a situation. - If you noticed that Creator loves (a), you go mass ling infestor; if he decides to do (c), you're dead. - If you see robo and you go mass roach corrupter and Creator picked (b), you're dead. - If you expect see a robo but no support bay and mass up spines which are effective against (b) and then Creator goes (c), you're in trouble again. Of course, replays may help you work out things like: (a) How often Creator will go two base all-in; (b) When Creator opens stargate; whether he hides phoenix; (c) Whether he's susceptible to counter-aggression; (d) Whether he skimps on defence which is exploitable; (e) Whether he opts for early DT play; and so on. However, I just don't see that mattering that much. Creator is too solid. Thus: (a) Even if Creator goes two base all-in, he can still win it with execution (wonwonwon style) (b) So what if Creator hides his phoenix? A queen and forced spores plus a few drones is already cost-efficient. (c) I don't think Creator has a huge weakness in being susceptible to counter-aggression, so what is there to find? (d) I don't think Creator skimps on defence; he plays a very solid style, not really taking outrageously timed 3rds or 4ths. (e) He generally doesn't opt for gimmicky play like DTs, and so on. Hence why I don't think viewing his replays is that useful. It's not like, e.g. MVP v Life where it is patently obvious that Life is so ling heavy and avoids roaches at all costs, therefore opening himself to blue-flame play. I can't see anything in Creator's play that makes you think 'wow, this is going to be a big benefit to me'. But then again, I've been wrong before. -_- You are right. Creator has no obvious holes in his play. But it's really helpful to know his timings. This is why I think no tournament should release replays. It's so much easier to get onto exact builds and timings with replays than it is with VODs. I think international tournaments should protect the participating players here more. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
 Creator vs  HyuN:Creator's best matchup is historically PvZ, although he is more famous for his PvT. Meanwhile, Hyun has gone through tons of terrans to get to the RO8, only defeating one protoss in JYP this season in the U/D, while losing to Vampire 1-2 in Code A last season.Prediction: Creator 3-1 Hyun  MarineKing vs Ryung:Both of these players are really good TvT players and neither of them can reliably deliver consistantly so I flipped a coin. Unfortunately for me, I got Ryung. Prediction: MarineKing 2-3 Ryung ...I'm not very good at predicting stuff lol | ||
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
On November 20 2012 09:41 TeeTS wrote: You are right. Creator has no obvious holes in his play. But it's really helpful to know his timings. This is why I think no tournament should release replays. It's so much easier to get onto exact builds and timings with replays than it is with VODs. I think international tournaments should protect the participating players here more. I pull builds and timings from vods all the time. I think people still think back to the BW days where the best you could do is see a timing where a pro had a certain amount of units and work to match it. Because of the production tab, pulling builds from VODs is only slightly harder than pulling it from a replay. | ||
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On November 18 2012 23:59 FuRong wrote: That may be true, but he's Zerg, which is the most volatile matchup for Life, and was also his weakest on recent form at the time. Kespa players are also known to excel at mirrors. Literally any of the Terrans would have been a better choice. On the other hand, Life's ZvZ winrate is 15% higher than than his ZvT. Anyways, I am hoping for MKP. It's overdue that he gets something big done. | ||
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