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On October 22 2012 03:53 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:46 zocktol wrote:
Well i guess banking 1600 while being behind 80 supply is not going to win the game.
Deserved win by Nerchio, Starnan tried hard but ultimately was lacking in macro it seems. are u dumb, he was harassing all game long, his macro was fine
Yeah i am dumb, nice strawman and ad hominem, good way to talk about something like a grown up.
So what he harassed all game long, if he does not manage to do damage with his harassment and is throwing away money, he should still not win, or should he. I mean yeah he prevent Nerchio from getting up a 4th but he himself never got that 4th either and he was behind in tech.
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On October 22 2012 04:03 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 04:02 oogieogie wrote:On October 22 2012 04:01 AlternativeEgo wrote:On October 22 2012 03:57 oogieogie wrote:On October 22 2012 03:55 SarcasmMonster wrote:On October 22 2012 03:52 oogieogie wrote:On October 22 2012 03:50 TheHova wrote:On October 22 2012 03:49 oogieogie wrote:
every single fucking tournament is now just people bitching about zerg..so annoying
-___________________________________- Maybe there's a reason behind it ? i don't care the reason when its just stupid to see now. If I am on a tournament thread for r/starcraft then it is just bitching about terran being weak/zerg op/protoss gimicky or now on TL it is just the same thing. What's the point of LR threads if not for bitching? It's the only reason I participate. enjoying the games? seeing/commentating on good plays? eagles? Pointing out everything that is awkward and calling what is not awkward awkward. oh duh awkward ceremonys/interviews, and overeacting to friends joking with each other. HOLY FUCK THAT WAS SO AWKWARD.
HOLY SHIT YOU JUST INSULTED ME I AM GOING TO CALL SPONSERS.
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I officially ship Nerchio/Bly now (unless Bly wins, in which case I ship Bly/Nerchio).
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On October 22 2012 04:01 TheHova wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:58 vthree wrote:On October 22 2012 03:54 DOUDOU wrote:On October 22 2012 03:50 Chicane wrote:On October 22 2012 03:47 trinxified wrote:On October 22 2012 03:45 Asmodeusx wrote:
Since, vortex officially doesn't work, how does the Protoss win again? Huh? Was vortex "fixed" or something? Well it can still work, but zergs have been playing smarter. Believe it or not, Zergs used to clump up all their broodlords even when they knew a mothership was coming, and even when they knew that the mothership was the only way the protoss would win. It was so ridiculous. The protoss could be a bit behind, and the zerg would refuse to spread their broodlords anyway, even though it was a basic micro requirement. Well long story short, nothing has changed balance wise with vortex, but instead of zergs playing like idiots, they learned to adapt, and now vortex is weak. It is like when banelings were used against marines initially. People were saying they were OP, but then terrans started to spread their marines and win battles against them, rather than just sitting there and taking the banelings to the face. Balance can change because of the metagame. in a few years when people will have learn to split their units preemptively like the zergs do with broodlords, maybe we won't have people bitching about fungals anymore Nah, they will just cry about it. Like how zergs cried about the early game so queens got buffed. And Hellions so they got nerfed. And 2 rax so it got nerfed. And proxy rax before depot so it got nerfed. and 4gate so it got nerfed. And blink all in so it got nerfed. And the ability to hide tech so overlords got buffed. The list goes on... Seriously, half the nerfs were based on Zergs complaining about the early game. Now there's barely any threat early game for them at all and they have an unbeatable late game army when they get to it.
Your words in gold.
Edit: even in Grand Master.
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On October 22 2012 01:06 GunPaladin wrote:
Acer final, you heard it here first.
I am the second coming.
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On October 22 2012 04:05 StarVe wrote:Oh, wow, thank you, works like a charm!
Now you have to pay licence, like €250/year. Haha!
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real zerg vs patch zerg, let the coinflip begin
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On October 22 2012 03:54 DOUDOU wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:50 Chicane wrote:On October 22 2012 03:47 trinxified wrote:On October 22 2012 03:45 Asmodeusx wrote:
Since, vortex officially doesn't work, how does the Protoss win again? Huh? Was vortex "fixed" or something? Well it can still work, but zergs have been playing smarter. Believe it or not, Zergs used to clump up all their broodlords even when they knew a mothership was coming, and even when they knew that the mothership was the only way the protoss would win. It was so ridiculous. The protoss could be a bit behind, and the zerg would refuse to spread their broodlords anyway, even though it was a basic micro requirement. Well long story short, nothing has changed balance wise with vortex, but instead of zergs playing like idiots, they learned to adapt, and now vortex is weak. It is like when banelings were used against marines initially. People were saying they were OP, but then terrans started to spread their marines and win battles against them, rather than just sitting there and taking the banelings to the face. Balance can change because of the metagame. in a few years when people will have learn to split their units preemptively like the zergs do with broodlords, maybe we won't have people bitching about fungals anymore
A few things... but before all of them, I'm not saying that Zerg is OP. I just really hate the broodlord infestor composition. I'm not saying that protoss can't win more often against zerg, even if it means earlier aggression.
In any event, you don't want to spread your armies against some zerg armies, so spreading is not the best idea in many cases.
Protoss only have one mothership to cast the vortex, and it is big and slow. That's much different from having 10+ infestors all casting fungal throughout a fight. Vortex typically needs to go off early, otherwise you greatly risk it getting NPed. On the other hand you need to feedback several infestors (while moving HTs them forward into broodlords) to shut down fungal in the same way, and even then you are sacrificing your own caster to stop another. Infestors can also burrow to make it more difficult.
I don't think it is fair to suggest it is the same type of scenario. Yes with extremely demanding micro, the protoss may be able to spread in the appropriate situation against a zerg throughout an entire fight, but it is far more unreasonable to ask then simply spreading out broodlords before moving them forward to attack the protoss.
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On October 22 2012 04:06 peidongyang wrote:
real zerg vs patch zerg, let the coinflip begin
Who will be the next zerg bonjwa?
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On October 22 2012 04:04 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 04:01 TheHova wrote:On October 22 2012 03:58 vthree wrote:On October 22 2012 03:54 DOUDOU wrote:On October 22 2012 03:50 Chicane wrote:On October 22 2012 03:47 trinxified wrote:On October 22 2012 03:45 Asmodeusx wrote:
Since, vortex officially doesn't work, how does the Protoss win again? Huh? Was vortex "fixed" or something? Well it can still work, but zergs have been playing smarter. Believe it or not, Zergs used to clump up all their broodlords even when they knew a mothership was coming, and even when they knew that the mothership was the only way the protoss would win. It was so ridiculous. The protoss could be a bit behind, and the zerg would refuse to spread their broodlords anyway, even though it was a basic micro requirement. Well long story short, nothing has changed balance wise with vortex, but instead of zergs playing like idiots, they learned to adapt, and now vortex is weak. It is like when banelings were used against marines initially. People were saying they were OP, but then terrans started to spread their marines and win battles against them, rather than just sitting there and taking the banelings to the face. Balance can change because of the metagame. in a few years when people will have learn to split their units preemptively like the zergs do with broodlords, maybe we won't have people bitching about fungals anymore Nah, they will just cry about it. Like how zergs cried about the early game so queens got buffed. And Hellions so they got nerfed. And 2 rax so it got nerfed. And proxy rax before depot so it got nerfed. and 4gate so it got nerfed. And blink all in so it got nerfed. And the ability to hide tech so overlords got buffed. The list goes on... Seriously, half the nerfs were based on Zergs complaining about the early game. Now there's barely any threat early game for them at all and they have an unbeatable late game army when they get to it. A lot of that was so fucking deserved nerfs cmon..blue flame hellion anaheim, proxy rax before deport to just die, and nobody liked 4gate PvP or all in. Also this unbeatable late game army is beaten a lot.
I'd take a wild guess it's beaten like 20 to 30% of the time in an even game
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On October 22 2012 04:06 peidongyang wrote:
real zerg vs patch zerg, let the coinflip begin
Bly so patchy.
http://imgur.com/pijPA
..oh wait
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On October 22 2012 04:06 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 04:05 StarVe wrote:Oh, wow, thank you, works like a charm! Now you have to pay licence, like €250/year. Haha!
Catch me if you can!
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On October 22 2012 04:05 zocktol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:53 ROOTFayth wrote:On October 22 2012 03:46 zocktol wrote:
Well i guess banking 1600 while being behind 80 supply is not going to win the game.
Deserved win by Nerchio, Starnan tried hard but ultimately was lacking in macro it seems. are u dumb, he was harassing all game long, his macro was fine Yeah i am dumb, nice strawman and ad hominem, good way to talk about something like a grown up. So what he harassed all game long, if he does not manage to do damage with his harassment and is throwing away money, he should still not win, or should he. I mean yeah he prevent Nerchio from getting up a 4th but he himself never got that 4th either and he was behind in tech.
he did a FUCKTON of damage....
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On October 22 2012 04:06 peidongyang wrote:
real zerg vs patch zerg, let the coinflip begin
Yeah, Bly so patchzerg, is´nt winning stuff since 2010 - o, wait...
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On October 22 2012 04:06 peidongyang wrote:
real zerg vs patch zerg, let the coinflip begin
Bly is not a patch zerg he has results going back to 2010 where he won tournaments.
BLY's wiki, scroll down for results.
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Logic is not wanted in this thread. Leave!
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On October 22 2012 04:08 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 04:04 oogieogie wrote:On October 22 2012 04:01 TheHova wrote:On October 22 2012 03:58 vthree wrote:On October 22 2012 03:54 DOUDOU wrote:On October 22 2012 03:50 Chicane wrote:On October 22 2012 03:47 trinxified wrote:On October 22 2012 03:45 Asmodeusx wrote:
Since, vortex officially doesn't work, how does the Protoss win again? Huh? Was vortex "fixed" or something? Well it can still work, but zergs have been playing smarter. Believe it or not, Zergs used to clump up all their broodlords even when they knew a mothership was coming, and even when they knew that the mothership was the only way the protoss would win. It was so ridiculous. The protoss could be a bit behind, and the zerg would refuse to spread their broodlords anyway, even though it was a basic micro requirement. Well long story short, nothing has changed balance wise with vortex, but instead of zergs playing like idiots, they learned to adapt, and now vortex is weak. It is like when banelings were used against marines initially. People were saying they were OP, but then terrans started to spread their marines and win battles against them, rather than just sitting there and taking the banelings to the face. Balance can change because of the metagame. in a few years when people will have learn to split their units preemptively like the zergs do with broodlords, maybe we won't have people bitching about fungals anymore Nah, they will just cry about it. Like how zergs cried about the early game so queens got buffed. And Hellions so they got nerfed. And 2 rax so it got nerfed. And proxy rax before depot so it got nerfed. and 4gate so it got nerfed. And blink all in so it got nerfed. And the ability to hide tech so overlords got buffed. The list goes on... Seriously, half the nerfs were based on Zergs complaining about the early game. Now there's barely any threat early game for them at all and they have an unbeatable late game army when they get to it. A lot of that was so fucking deserved nerfs cmon..blue flame hellion anaheim, proxy rax before deport to just die, and nobody liked 4gate PvP or all in. Also this unbeatable late game army is beaten a lot. I'd take a wild guess it's beaten like 20 to 30% of the time in an even game
i would tend to 20%
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On October 22 2012 04:07 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:54 DOUDOU wrote:On October 22 2012 03:50 Chicane wrote:On October 22 2012 03:47 trinxified wrote:On October 22 2012 03:45 Asmodeusx wrote:
Since, vortex officially doesn't work, how does the Protoss win again? Huh? Was vortex "fixed" or something? Well it can still work, but zergs have been playing smarter. Believe it or not, Zergs used to clump up all their broodlords even when they knew a mothership was coming, and even when they knew that the mothership was the only way the protoss would win. It was so ridiculous. The protoss could be a bit behind, and the zerg would refuse to spread their broodlords anyway, even though it was a basic micro requirement. Well long story short, nothing has changed balance wise with vortex, but instead of zergs playing like idiots, they learned to adapt, and now vortex is weak. It is like when banelings were used against marines initially. People were saying they were OP, but then terrans started to spread their marines and win battles against them, rather than just sitting there and taking the banelings to the face. Balance can change because of the metagame. in a few years when people will have learn to split their units preemptively like the zergs do with broodlords, maybe we won't have people bitching about fungals anymore A few things... but before all of them, I'm not saying that Zerg is OP. I just really hate the broodlord infestor composition. I'm not saying that protoss can't win more often against zerg, even if it means earlier aggression. In any event, you don't want to spread your armies against some zerg armies, so spreading is not the best idea in many cases. Protoss only have one mothership to cast the vortex, and it is big and slow. That's much different from having 10+ infestors all casting fungal throughout a fight. Vortex typically needs to go off early, otherwise you greatly risk it getting NPed. On the other hand you need to feedback several infestors (while moving HTs them forward into broodlords) to shut down fungal in the same way, and even then you are sacrificing your own caster to stop another. Infestors can also burrow to make it more difficult. I don't think it is fair to suggest it is the same type of scenario. Yes with extremely demanding micro, the protoss may be able to spread in the appropriate situation against a zerg throughout an entire fight, but it is far more unreasonable to ask then simply spreading out broodlords before moving them forward to attack the protoss.
or the zerg could split, but gets hit by a double vortex > loses everything from archons. Its stupid both sides people.
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Nice ling bane fights instead of boring turtle roach :D
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