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He's referring to the nerf to the reaper build time decrease he's only successful because of that patch.
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"Patch zerg" is a metaphor for "player I didnt know about because of ignorance".
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On October 22 2012 04:09 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 04:05 zocktol wrote:On October 22 2012 03:53 ROOTFayth wrote:On October 22 2012 03:46 zocktol wrote:
Well i guess banking 1600 while being behind 80 supply is not going to win the game.
Deserved win by Nerchio, Starnan tried hard but ultimately was lacking in macro it seems. are u dumb, he was harassing all game long, his macro was fine Yeah i am dumb, nice strawman and ad hominem, good way to talk about something like a grown up. So what he harassed all game long, if he does not manage to do damage with his harassment and is throwing away money, he should still not win, or should he. I mean yeah he prevent Nerchio from getting up a 4th but he himself never got that 4th either and he was behind in tech. he did a FUCKTON of damage....
Can't check for that now, but i am willing to argue, that he still was not cost efficient.
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Bane-train of doom! ...oh shit :O
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Most important thing is that Blys playstyle is unique and aggresive.
The patch made it easier to defend with queens. Bly probably profited the least.
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"transfuse means macro fail" - Socke
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Nerchio too good 
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On October 22 2012 04:10 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 04:07 Chicane wrote:On October 22 2012 03:54 DOUDOU wrote:On October 22 2012 03:50 Chicane wrote:On October 22 2012 03:47 trinxified wrote:On October 22 2012 03:45 Asmodeusx wrote:
Since, vortex officially doesn't work, how does the Protoss win again? Huh? Was vortex "fixed" or something? Well it can still work, but zergs have been playing smarter. Believe it or not, Zergs used to clump up all their broodlords even when they knew a mothership was coming, and even when they knew that the mothership was the only way the protoss would win. It was so ridiculous. The protoss could be a bit behind, and the zerg would refuse to spread their broodlords anyway, even though it was a basic micro requirement. Well long story short, nothing has changed balance wise with vortex, but instead of zergs playing like idiots, they learned to adapt, and now vortex is weak. It is like when banelings were used against marines initially. People were saying they were OP, but then terrans started to spread their marines and win battles against them, rather than just sitting there and taking the banelings to the face. Balance can change because of the metagame. in a few years when people will have learn to split their units preemptively like the zergs do with broodlords, maybe we won't have people bitching about fungals anymore A few things... but before all of them, I'm not saying that Zerg is OP. I just really hate the broodlord infestor composition. I'm not saying that protoss can't win more often against zerg, even if it means earlier aggression. In any event, you don't want to spread your armies against some zerg armies, so spreading is not the best idea in many cases. Protoss only have one mothership to cast the vortex, and it is big and slow. That's much different from having 10+ infestors all casting fungal throughout a fight. Vortex typically needs to go off early, otherwise you greatly risk it getting NPed. On the other hand you need to feedback several infestors (while moving HTs them forward into broodlords) to shut down fungal in the same way, and even then you are sacrificing your own caster to stop another. Infestors can also burrow to make it more difficult. I don't think it is fair to suggest it is the same type of scenario. Yes with extremely demanding micro, the protoss may be able to spread in the appropriate situation against a zerg throughout an entire fight, but it is far more unreasonable to ask then simply spreading out broodlords before moving them forward to attack the protoss. or the zerg could split, but gets hit by a double vortex > loses everything from archons. Its stupid both sides people.
Yeah I agree it is stupid on both sides, and I'm not even saying Nerchio deserved to lose there or anything... he didn't imo. In any event, I just think it is a lot less to ask for broodlords to be split against vortex than to split your army against fungals during a fight. That's all. Everyone is hoping that the matchup gets changed soon... on both sides. (I play random if it is relevant :D)
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On October 22 2012 04:10 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 04:07 Chicane wrote:On October 22 2012 03:54 DOUDOU wrote:On October 22 2012 03:50 Chicane wrote:On October 22 2012 03:47 trinxified wrote:On October 22 2012 03:45 Asmodeusx wrote:
Since, vortex officially doesn't work, how does the Protoss win again? Huh? Was vortex "fixed" or something? Well it can still work, but zergs have been playing smarter. Believe it or not, Zergs used to clump up all their broodlords even when they knew a mothership was coming, and even when they knew that the mothership was the only way the protoss would win. It was so ridiculous. The protoss could be a bit behind, and the zerg would refuse to spread their broodlords anyway, even though it was a basic micro requirement. Well long story short, nothing has changed balance wise with vortex, but instead of zergs playing like idiots, they learned to adapt, and now vortex is weak. It is like when banelings were used against marines initially. People were saying they were OP, but then terrans started to spread their marines and win battles against them, rather than just sitting there and taking the banelings to the face. Balance can change because of the metagame. in a few years when people will have learn to split their units preemptively like the zergs do with broodlords, maybe we won't have people bitching about fungals anymore A few things... but before all of them, I'm not saying that Zerg is OP. I just really hate the broodlord infestor composition. I'm not saying that protoss can't win more often against zerg, even if it means earlier aggression. In any event, you don't want to spread your armies against some zerg armies, so spreading is not the best idea in many cases. Protoss only have one mothership to cast the vortex, and it is big and slow. That's much different from having 10+ infestors all casting fungal throughout a fight. Vortex typically needs to go off early, otherwise you greatly risk it getting NPed. On the other hand you need to feedback several infestors (while moving HTs them forward into broodlords) to shut down fungal in the same way, and even then you are sacrificing your own caster to stop another. Infestors can also burrow to make it more difficult. I don't think it is fair to suggest it is the same type of scenario. Yes with extremely demanding micro, the protoss may be able to spread in the appropriate situation against a zerg throughout an entire fight, but it is far more unreasonable to ask then simply spreading out broodlords before moving them forward to attack the protoss. or the zerg could split, but gets hit by a double vortex > loses everything from archons. Its stupid both sides people.
getting 200 energie on the Mothership takes like 10 infinity years ingame. just force the vortex or NPar. it with a burrowed Infestor.
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On October 22 2012 04:12 zocktol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 04:09 ROOTFayth wrote:On October 22 2012 04:05 zocktol wrote:On October 22 2012 03:53 ROOTFayth wrote:On October 22 2012 03:46 zocktol wrote:
Well i guess banking 1600 while being behind 80 supply is not going to win the game.
Deserved win by Nerchio, Starnan tried hard but ultimately was lacking in macro it seems. are u dumb, he was harassing all game long, his macro was fine Yeah i am dumb, nice strawman and ad hominem, good way to talk about something like a grown up. So what he harassed all game long, if he does not manage to do damage with his harassment and is throwing away money, he should still not win, or should he. I mean yeah he prevent Nerchio from getting up a 4th but he himself never got that 4th either and he was behind in tech. he did a FUCKTON of damage.... Can't check for that now, but i am willing to argue, that he still was not cost efficient.
did we watch the same game...
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wait what, not even a slight smirk? zup with that?!
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On October 22 2012 04:14 GaliX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 04:10 oogieogie wrote:On October 22 2012 04:07 Chicane wrote:On October 22 2012 03:54 DOUDOU wrote:On October 22 2012 03:50 Chicane wrote:On October 22 2012 03:47 trinxified wrote:On October 22 2012 03:45 Asmodeusx wrote:
Since, vortex officially doesn't work, how does the Protoss win again? Huh? Was vortex "fixed" or something? Well it can still work, but zergs have been playing smarter. Believe it or not, Zergs used to clump up all their broodlords even when they knew a mothership was coming, and even when they knew that the mothership was the only way the protoss would win. It was so ridiculous. The protoss could be a bit behind, and the zerg would refuse to spread their broodlords anyway, even though it was a basic micro requirement. Well long story short, nothing has changed balance wise with vortex, but instead of zergs playing like idiots, they learned to adapt, and now vortex is weak. It is like when banelings were used against marines initially. People were saying they were OP, but then terrans started to spread their marines and win battles against them, rather than just sitting there and taking the banelings to the face. Balance can change because of the metagame. in a few years when people will have learn to split their units preemptively like the zergs do with broodlords, maybe we won't have people bitching about fungals anymore A few things... but before all of them, I'm not saying that Zerg is OP. I just really hate the broodlord infestor composition. I'm not saying that protoss can't win more often against zerg, even if it means earlier aggression. In any event, you don't want to spread your armies against some zerg armies, so spreading is not the best idea in many cases. Protoss only have one mothership to cast the vortex, and it is big and slow. That's much different from having 10+ infestors all casting fungal throughout a fight. Vortex typically needs to go off early, otherwise you greatly risk it getting NPed. On the other hand you need to feedback several infestors (while moving HTs them forward into broodlords) to shut down fungal in the same way, and even then you are sacrificing your own caster to stop another. Infestors can also burrow to make it more difficult. I don't think it is fair to suggest it is the same type of scenario. Yes with extremely demanding micro, the protoss may be able to spread in the appropriate situation against a zerg throughout an entire fight, but it is far more unreasonable to ask then simply spreading out broodlords before moving them forward to attack the protoss. or the zerg could split, but gets hit by a double vortex > loses everything from archons. Its stupid both sides people. getting 200 energie on the Mothership takes like 10 infinity years ingame. just force the vortex or NPar. it with a burrowed Infestor.
If the protoss lets it get Np from just a stray infestor would be strange, and force vortex with a burrowed infestor..who doesn't keep a observer on their army with infestors on the field? Also force vortex when it could mean they hit a decent/ok one where i lose a good chunk of my army so they could clean up?
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amazing ZvZ in g1 going on and u still discuss PvZ.
its all said 20 times. enjoy the games and nerchios imbalance.
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On October 22 2012 04:13 krutopatkin wrote:
"transfuse means macro fail" - Socke
Does he know zerg can have more queens then hatches ? 
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On October 22 2012 04:16 AlternativeEgo wrote:
wait what, not even a slight smirk? zup with that?!
He fears the viewer reactions on TL.
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On October 22 2012 04:16 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 04:12 zocktol wrote:On October 22 2012 04:09 ROOTFayth wrote:On October 22 2012 04:05 zocktol wrote:On October 22 2012 03:53 ROOTFayth wrote:On October 22 2012 03:46 zocktol wrote:
Well i guess banking 1600 while being behind 80 supply is not going to win the game.
Deserved win by Nerchio, Starnan tried hard but ultimately was lacking in macro it seems. are u dumb, he was harassing all game long, his macro was fine Yeah i am dumb, nice strawman and ad hominem, good way to talk about something like a grown up. So what he harassed all game long, if he does not manage to do damage with his harassment and is throwing away money, he should still not win, or should he. I mean yeah he prevent Nerchio from getting up a 4th but he himself never got that 4th either and he was behind in tech. he did a FUCKTON of damage.... Can't check for that now, but i am willing to argue, that he still was not cost efficient. did we watch the same game...
also, mineral losses arent as important for toss lategame
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Apollo said "Jönköping" correctly He really know who he is working for
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On October 22 2012 04:12 Redox wrote:"Patch zerg" is a metaphor for "player I didnt know about because of ignorance".
haha exactly
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On October 22 2012 04:16 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 04:12 zocktol wrote:On October 22 2012 04:09 ROOTFayth wrote:On October 22 2012 04:05 zocktol wrote:On October 22 2012 03:53 ROOTFayth wrote:On October 22 2012 03:46 zocktol wrote:
Well i guess banking 1600 while being behind 80 supply is not going to win the game.
Deserved win by Nerchio, Starnan tried hard but ultimately was lacking in macro it seems. are u dumb, he was harassing all game long, his macro was fine Yeah i am dumb, nice strawman and ad hominem, good way to talk about something like a grown up. So what he harassed all game long, if he does not manage to do damage with his harassment and is throwing away money, he should still not win, or should he. I mean yeah he prevent Nerchio from getting up a 4th but he himself never got that 4th either and he was behind in tech. he did a FUCKTON of damage.... Can't check for that now, but i am willing to argue, that he still was not cost efficient. did we watch the same game...
You are right, Starnan lost to Nerchio, because ZvP is SUPER imbalanced.
Hope you have a good day and get less mad
edit: Nerchio is better than Starnan
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Ah there is that Nerchio smile 
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