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Rhaegar_tar
Profile Joined February 2012
France847 Posts
October 21 2012 18:54 GMT
#2401
On October 22 2012 03:47 Anonymous_Coward wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 03:45 Asmodeusx wrote:
Since, vortex officially doesn't work, how does the Protoss win again?



You can go and buy HoTS coming soon to stores near you. It's almost like they're deliberately leaving WoL in a pretty poor state.


I know a lot of guys around here who won't buy HotS because of this stupid policy...what stops Blizzard from doing the exact same thing with HotS and LotV?
pwncakery
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada131 Posts
October 21 2012 18:55 GMT
#2402
On October 22 2012 03:50 Chicane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 03:47 trinxified wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:45 Asmodeusx wrote:
Since, vortex officially doesn't work, how does the Protoss win again?


Huh? Was vortex "fixed" or something?


Well it can still work, but zergs have been playing smarter.

Believe it or not, Zergs used to clump up all their broodlords even when they knew a mothership was coming, and even when they knew that the mothership was the only way the protoss would win. It was so ridiculous. The protoss could be a bit behind, and the zerg would refuse to spread their broodlords anyway, even though it was a basic micro requirement.

Well long story short, nothing has changed balance wise with vortex, but instead of zergs playing like idiots, they learned to adapt, and now vortex is weak.

It is like when banelings were used against marines initially. People were saying they were OP, but then terrans started to spread their marines and win battles against them, rather than just sitting there and taking the banelings to the face. Balance can change because of the metagame.



FALSE.

"Protoss

Units leaving the Mothership's Vortex are now un-targetable and immune to damage for 1.5 seconds.

This was another case that we viewed as more of a bug fix than a balance change. The original concept of Vortex was that it was more than just a stasis or a lockdown. In addition to having the protoss player lock down a part of his or her opponent’s army, the spell was supposed to also be about creating situations for enemy interaction with the Vortex.



For example: If I'm playing zerg and half of my army was Vortexed, I may decide to put the remaining half into the Vortex. Conversely, I could choose to simply sacrifice half of my units instead and run with the rest if greatly outnumbered by the protoss opponent. However, there was a bug in which splash units instantly killed everything coming out of a Vortex, preventing the different types of interactions we originally intended."

---Patch 1.3

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Patch_1.3.0
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9319 Posts
October 21 2012 18:55 GMT
#2403
I expect Nerchio to outplay Bly in muta vs muta games.
You're now breathing manually
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
October 21 2012 18:55 GMT
#2404
On October 22 2012 03:50 hitpoint wrote:
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On October 22 2012 03:49 Snusmumriken wrote:
ok not going to bother watching a zvz. Most boring dreamhack ever.


It's better than zvp..


that is true.
Amove for Aiur
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 18:56:23
October 21 2012 18:55 GMT
#2405
On October 22 2012 03:52 oogieogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 03:50 TheHova wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:49 oogieogie wrote:
every single fucking tournament is now just people bitching about zerg..so annoying

-___________________________________-


Maybe there's a reason behind it ?

i don't care the reason when its just stupid to see now. If I am on a tournament thread for r/starcraft then it is just bitching about terran being weak/zerg op/protoss gimicky or now on TL it is just the same thing.


What's the point of LR threads if not for bitching? It's the only reason I participate.
MMA: The true King of Wings
Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
October 21 2012 18:57 GMT
#2406
On October 22 2012 03:55 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 03:52 oogieogie wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:50 TheHova wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:49 oogieogie wrote:
every single fucking tournament is now just people bitching about zerg..so annoying

-___________________________________-


Maybe there's a reason behind it ?

i don't care the reason when its just stupid to see now. If I am on a tournament thread for r/starcraft then it is just bitching about terran being weak/zerg op/protoss gimicky or now on TL it is just the same thing.


What's the point of LR threads if not for bitching? It's the only reason I participate.


Live Reporting?
"that is our ethos; free content, starcraft content, websites that work occasionally" -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9223 Posts
October 21 2012 18:57 GMT
#2407
Might actually be a really good final. ZvZ can sometimes be quite epic and these 2 are team mates so they probalby know each other's style inside out.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
October 21 2012 18:57 GMT
#2408
Mana - Dimaga, Nerchio - Bly, Poland - Ukraine Finals again. Nice job guys.
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
October 21 2012 18:57 GMT
#2409
On October 22 2012 03:55 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 03:52 oogieogie wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:50 TheHova wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:49 oogieogie wrote:
every single fucking tournament is now just people bitching about zerg..so annoying

-___________________________________-


Maybe there's a reason behind it ?

i don't care the reason when its just stupid to see now. If I am on a tournament thread for r/starcraft then it is just bitching about terran being weak/zerg op/protoss gimicky or now on TL it is just the same thing.


What's the point of LR threads if not for bitching? It's the only reason I participate.


yo dawg, I heard you like bitchin so Im bitchin about yo bitchin so you can bitch about me bitchin about yo bitchin.
Amove for Aiur
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 18:57:42
October 21 2012 18:57 GMT
#2410
On October 22 2012 03:54 DOUDOU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 03:50 Chicane wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:47 trinxified wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:45 Asmodeusx wrote:
Since, vortex officially doesn't work, how does the Protoss win again?


Huh? Was vortex "fixed" or something?


Well it can still work, but zergs have been playing smarter.

Believe it or not, Zergs used to clump up all their broodlords even when they knew a mothership was coming, and even when they knew that the mothership was the only way the protoss would win. It was so ridiculous. The protoss could be a bit behind, and the zerg would refuse to spread their broodlords anyway, even though it was a basic micro requirement.

Well long story short, nothing has changed balance wise with vortex, but instead of zergs playing like idiots, they learned to adapt, and now vortex is weak.

It is like when banelings were used against marines initially. People were saying they were OP, but then terrans started to spread their marines and win battles against them, rather than just sitting there and taking the banelings to the face. Balance can change because of the metagame.

in a few years when people will have learn to split their units preemptively like the zergs do with broodlords, maybe we won't have people bitching about fungals anymore


. Fungal radius is bigger than Storm/EMP ( WHY EXACTLY ? ) and Zerg's ususally have tons of Infestors not just 2 like Vortexes . Even hitting 3-4 Units with a Fungal is worth it in most vases.
Ventris
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany1226 Posts
October 21 2012 18:57 GMT
#2411
On October 22 2012 03:54 WindWolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 03:53 Ventris wrote:
Wop

Wop is the new Wup, according to DH

Astonishing discovery :o
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
October 21 2012 18:57 GMT
#2412
On October 22 2012 03:55 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 03:52 oogieogie wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:50 TheHova wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:49 oogieogie wrote:
every single fucking tournament is now just people bitching about zerg..so annoying

-___________________________________-


Maybe there's a reason behind it ?

i don't care the reason when its just stupid to see now. If I am on a tournament thread for r/starcraft then it is just bitching about terran being weak/zerg op/protoss gimicky or now on TL it is just the same thing.


What's the point of LR threads if not for bitching? It's the only reason I participate.

enjoying the games? seeing/commentating on good plays? eagles?
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
October 21 2012 18:57 GMT
#2413
What's the name of the song when Taeja won in Valencia?
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
October 21 2012 18:58 GMT
#2414
On October 22 2012 03:54 DOUDOU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 03:50 Chicane wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:47 trinxified wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:45 Asmodeusx wrote:
Since, vortex officially doesn't work, how does the Protoss win again?


Huh? Was vortex "fixed" or something?


Well it can still work, but zergs have been playing smarter.

Believe it or not, Zergs used to clump up all their broodlords even when they knew a mothership was coming, and even when they knew that the mothership was the only way the protoss would win. It was so ridiculous. The protoss could be a bit behind, and the zerg would refuse to spread their broodlords anyway, even though it was a basic micro requirement.

Well long story short, nothing has changed balance wise with vortex, but instead of zergs playing like idiots, they learned to adapt, and now vortex is weak.

It is like when banelings were used against marines initially. People were saying they were OP, but then terrans started to spread their marines and win battles against them, rather than just sitting there and taking the banelings to the face. Balance can change because of the metagame.

in a few years when people will have learn to split their units preemptively like the zergs do with broodlords, maybe we won't have people bitching about fungals anymore


Nah, they will just cry about it. Like how zergs cried about the early game so queens got buffed.
wildstyle1337
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland514 Posts
October 21 2012 18:58 GMT
#2415
3 of 4 strongest foreigner zergs in one team

AcerBly
AcerNerchio
AcerScarlett
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
October 21 2012 18:58 GMT
#2416
On October 22 2012 03:54 DOUDOU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 03:50 Chicane wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:47 trinxified wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:45 Asmodeusx wrote:
Since, vortex officially doesn't work, how does the Protoss win again?


Huh? Was vortex "fixed" or something?


Well it can still work, but zergs have been playing smarter.

Believe it or not, Zergs used to clump up all their broodlords even when they knew a mothership was coming, and even when they knew that the mothership was the only way the protoss would win. It was so ridiculous. The protoss could be a bit behind, and the zerg would refuse to spread their broodlords anyway, even though it was a basic micro requirement.

Well long story short, nothing has changed balance wise with vortex, but instead of zergs playing like idiots, they learned to adapt, and now vortex is weak.

It is like when banelings were used against marines initially. People were saying they were OP, but then terrans started to spread their marines and win battles against them, rather than just sitting there and taking the banelings to the face. Balance can change because of the metagame.

in a few years when people will have learn to split their units preemptively like the zergs do with broodlords, maybe we won't have people bitching about fungals anymore

splitting is only good vs lings/infestors not if there are a bunch of roaches
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
October 21 2012 18:58 GMT
#2417
Tired of ZvZ, ZvP? go watch @ironsquidgaming on http://www.ironsquid.tv/ to watch some nice TvZ: GanZi against J!


Feast | Grubby | Mvp | Polt | Fantasy | Last | MMA | forGG | Leenock | Soberphano | Scarlett cutiepie
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
October 21 2012 18:59 GMT
#2418
On October 22 2012 03:58 wildstyle1337 wrote:
3 of 4 strongest foreigner zergs in one team

AcerBly
AcerNerchio
AcerScarlett

That might be a bit exaggerated but they sure are a great Zerg team.
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
October 21 2012 18:59 GMT
#2419
"Liquipedia Rocks" - Redeye!

Sure it does!
EZ4ENCE
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 21 2012 18:59 GMT
#2420
On October 22 2012 03:57 oogieogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 03:55 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:52 oogieogie wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:50 TheHova wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:49 oogieogie wrote:
every single fucking tournament is now just people bitching about zerg..so annoying

-___________________________________-


Maybe there's a reason behind it ?

i don't care the reason when its just stupid to see now. If I am on a tournament thread for r/starcraft then it is just bitching about terran being weak/zerg op/protoss gimicky or now on TL it is just the same thing.


What's the point of LR threads if not for bitching? It's the only reason I participate.

enjoying the games? seeing/commentating on good plays? eagles?

Only eagles the rest of what you said is outright wrong.
Glorious SEA doto
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