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On October 16 2012 20:15 Dodgin wrote:
It's time for MC to go back to his roots
2 base all in all day every day
fuck yeah
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United Kingdom12024 Posts
On October 16 2012 20:22 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 20:21 MateShade wrote:On October 16 2012 20:20 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:18 Heavenlee wrote:On October 16 2012 20:16 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:16 Heavenlee wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 stephenrau wrote:On October 16 2012 20:14 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:13 Megabuster123 wrote:
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If they did that zergs would only be winning zvz..>_>
Besides, at that point in the late game DRG would've won with half the infestors he had. The problem with PvZ is that you can't kill the deathball without an Overpowered infestor, and protoss can't do anything except deathball. I reiterate my point, I am cool with a late game zerg nerf but we MUST have a mid game buff for that or we are just fucked. I think Broodlords at 5 supply would be fair. And a mid game buff? What would you suggest? Why would raising supply for broodlords require a mid-game buff? Lol...colossi are 6, and I'd much rather have a broodlord over a colossus. Because a late game nerfs needs a mid game buff. How many times must we say that? Zerg wins in z v p comes mostly from late game. Fuck our late game and we need a better mid game. And please, everyone would agree colossus is so much better then a broodlord. you mean, how many times must you say it without making any sense? Why would there be a mid-game buff for a SUPPLY CHANGE for a unit so that you can have less of it, since it's clearly a problem? That has no effect on anything instead of making the overpowered late-game more manageable. 5 supply means less broodlords. Less broodlords means less of a army. You seem to think supply is a small problem but zerg is the swarm race. We aren't like toss with big supplies but equally big fire power. We are weak unless we have the numbers. You don't make sense because you think zerg is op, I think z v p needs a redesign for both races to have options in every stage of the game. big difference. Less brood lords means more balance :D The Broodlord isn't whats imbalanced about lategame Zerg. It's literally just the infestor.
The broodlings kind of don't help, but toss can blink over them, it's just the infestor indeed.
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if zergs were really as op as ppl would think, why is this season's GSL the most balanced of all??
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Italy12246 Posts
Keep in mind that nerfing immortal/sentry would most likely make it far harder for P to take a third since that's also the composition that we generally use to defend in the midgame.
Design wise, i like where they are going with HotS with the Swarm Host and Viper; you can't really get them fast enough to bust a third (at least not as fast as with a roach max), but they are still a midgame unit. Now it would be nice if they also made Hive into something you can use to finish off someone when you are ahead, rather than the thing to rush for to win games.
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On October 16 2012 20:22 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 20:21 MateShade wrote:On October 16 2012 20:20 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:18 Heavenlee wrote:On October 16 2012 20:16 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:16 Heavenlee wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 stephenrau wrote:On October 16 2012 20:14 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:13 Megabuster123 wrote:
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If they did that zergs would only be winning zvz..>_>
Besides, at that point in the late game DRG would've won with half the infestors he had. The problem with PvZ is that you can't kill the deathball without an Overpowered infestor, and protoss can't do anything except deathball. I reiterate my point, I am cool with a late game zerg nerf but we MUST have a mid game buff for that or we are just fucked. I think Broodlords at 5 supply would be fair. And a mid game buff? What would you suggest? Why would raising supply for broodlords require a mid-game buff? Lol...colossi are 6, and I'd much rather have a broodlord over a colossus. Because a late game nerfs needs a mid game buff. How many times must we say that? Zerg wins in z v p comes mostly from late game. Fuck our late game and we need a better mid game. And please, everyone would agree colossus is so much better then a broodlord. you mean, how many times must you say it without making any sense? Why would there be a mid-game buff for a SUPPLY CHANGE for a unit so that you can have less of it, since it's clearly a problem? That has no effect on anything instead of making the overpowered late-game more manageable. 5 supply means less broodlords. Less broodlords means less of a army. You seem to think supply is a small problem but zerg is the swarm race. We aren't like toss with big supplies but equally big fire power. We are weak unless we have the numbers. You don't make sense because you think zerg is op, I think z v p needs a redesign for both races to have options in every stage of the game. big difference. Less brood lords means more balance :D The Broodlord isn't whats imbalanced about lategame Zerg. It's literally just the infestor.
The infestor is the patty in the jurg-imba burger.
It not only provides the natural transition into broodlords, it's also the correct response to everything the protoss can do.
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On October 16 2012 20:23 MateShade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 20:22 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:21 MateShade wrote:On October 16 2012 20:20 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:18 Heavenlee wrote:On October 16 2012 20:16 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:16 Heavenlee wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 stephenrau wrote:On October 16 2012 20:14 ImNightmare wrote:
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I reiterate my point, I am cool with a late game zerg nerf but we MUST have a mid game buff for that or we are just fucked. I think Broodlords at 5 supply would be fair. And a mid game buff? What would you suggest? Why would raising supply for broodlords require a mid-game buff? Lol...colossi are 6, and I'd much rather have a broodlord over a colossus. Because a late game nerfs needs a mid game buff. How many times must we say that? Zerg wins in z v p comes mostly from late game. Fuck our late game and we need a better mid game. And please, everyone would agree colossus is so much better then a broodlord. you mean, how many times must you say it without making any sense? Why would there be a mid-game buff for a SUPPLY CHANGE for a unit so that you can have less of it, since it's clearly a problem? That has no effect on anything instead of making the overpowered late-game more manageable. 5 supply means less broodlords. Less broodlords means less of a army. You seem to think supply is a small problem but zerg is the swarm race. We aren't like toss with big supplies but equally big fire power. We are weak unless we have the numbers. You don't make sense because you think zerg is op, I think z v p needs a redesign for both races to have options in every stage of the game. big difference. Less brood lords means more balance :D I am sorry but I am really not interested in discussing with a player who thinks his losses comes from imbalance instead of admitting he just suck. Good day to you sir. I play random, and Zerg is freaking easy, maybe you shouldn't assume things
And I play terran and toss and they are both a move. Troll.
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Doa making it sound like he has never seen a ramp block before.
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At everyone who's sad by the empty seats in the studio, wait till the finals, it'll be much more of a sad sight (hopefully I'm wrong)
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On October 16 2012 20:23 MateShade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 20:22 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:21 MateShade wrote:On October 16 2012 20:20 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:18 Heavenlee wrote:On October 16 2012 20:16 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:16 Heavenlee wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 stephenrau wrote:On October 16 2012 20:14 ImNightmare wrote:
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I reiterate my point, I am cool with a late game zerg nerf but we MUST have a mid game buff for that or we are just fucked. I think Broodlords at 5 supply would be fair. And a mid game buff? What would you suggest? Why would raising supply for broodlords require a mid-game buff? Lol...colossi are 6, and I'd much rather have a broodlord over a colossus. Because a late game nerfs needs a mid game buff. How many times must we say that? Zerg wins in z v p comes mostly from late game. Fuck our late game and we need a better mid game. And please, everyone would agree colossus is so much better then a broodlord. you mean, how many times must you say it without making any sense? Why would there be a mid-game buff for a SUPPLY CHANGE for a unit so that you can have less of it, since it's clearly a problem? That has no effect on anything instead of making the overpowered late-game more manageable. 5 supply means less broodlords. Less broodlords means less of a army. You seem to think supply is a small problem but zerg is the swarm race. We aren't like toss with big supplies but equally big fire power. We are weak unless we have the numbers. You don't make sense because you think zerg is op, I think z v p needs a redesign for both races to have options in every stage of the game. big difference. Less brood lords means more balance :D I am sorry but I am really not interested in discussing with a player who thinks his losses comes from imbalance instead of admitting he just suck. Good day to you sir. I play random, and Zerg is freaking easy, maybe you shouldn't assume things
I play toss and I do better in ZvP than PvZ at the same mmr :s
look I don't like to say this and that is imbalanced, but there's no reason to be delusional
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MC just going home?
Crazy.
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On October 16 2012 20:24 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 20:22 Megabuster123 wrote:On October 16 2012 20:21 MateShade wrote:On October 16 2012 20:20 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:18 Heavenlee wrote:On October 16 2012 20:16 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:16 Heavenlee wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 stephenrau wrote:On October 16 2012 20:14 ImNightmare wrote:
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I reiterate my point, I am cool with a late game zerg nerf but we MUST have a mid game buff for that or we are just fucked. I think Broodlords at 5 supply would be fair. And a mid game buff? What would you suggest? Why would raising supply for broodlords require a mid-game buff? Lol...colossi are 6, and I'd much rather have a broodlord over a colossus. Because a late game nerfs needs a mid game buff. How many times must we say that? Zerg wins in z v p comes mostly from late game. Fuck our late game and we need a better mid game. And please, everyone would agree colossus is so much better then a broodlord. you mean, how many times must you say it without making any sense? Why would there be a mid-game buff for a SUPPLY CHANGE for a unit so that you can have less of it, since it's clearly a problem? That has no effect on anything instead of making the overpowered late-game more manageable. 5 supply means less broodlords. Less broodlords means less of a army. You seem to think supply is a small problem but zerg is the swarm race. We aren't like toss with big supplies but equally big fire power. We are weak unless we have the numbers. You don't make sense because you think zerg is op, I think z v p needs a redesign for both races to have options in every stage of the game. big difference. Less brood lords means more balance :D The Broodlord isn't whats imbalanced about lategame Zerg. It's literally just the infestor. The broodlings kind of don't help, but toss can blink over them, it's just the infestor indeed.
just bring back guardians, 20 BL's spawning free units on the ground that makes it impossible to attack them with a ground army is not fun.
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On October 16 2012 20:24 X3GoldDot wrote:
if zergs were really as op as ppl would think, why is this season's GSL the most balanced of all??
Dont let the trolls get to you my friend.
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On October 16 2012 20:25 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 20:23 MateShade wrote:On October 16 2012 20:22 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:21 MateShade wrote:On October 16 2012 20:20 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:18 Heavenlee wrote:On October 16 2012 20:16 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:16 Heavenlee wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 stephenrau wrote:
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I think Broodlords at 5 supply would be fair. And a mid game buff? What would you suggest? Why would raising supply for broodlords require a mid-game buff? Lol...colossi are 6, and I'd much rather have a broodlord over a colossus. Because a late game nerfs needs a mid game buff. How many times must we say that? Zerg wins in z v p comes mostly from late game. Fuck our late game and we need a better mid game. And please, everyone would agree colossus is so much better then a broodlord. you mean, how many times must you say it without making any sense? Why would there be a mid-game buff for a SUPPLY CHANGE for a unit so that you can have less of it, since it's clearly a problem? That has no effect on anything instead of making the overpowered late-game more manageable. 5 supply means less broodlords. Less broodlords means less of a army. You seem to think supply is a small problem but zerg is the swarm race. We aren't like toss with big supplies but equally big fire power. We are weak unless we have the numbers. You don't make sense because you think zerg is op, I think z v p needs a redesign for both races to have options in every stage of the game. big difference. Less brood lords means more balance :D I am sorry but I am really not interested in discussing with a player who thinks his losses comes from imbalance instead of admitting he just suck. Good day to you sir. I play random, and Zerg is freaking easy, maybe you shouldn't assume things I play toss and I do better in ZvP than PvZ at the same mmr :s look I don't like to say this and that is imbalanced, but there's no reason to be delusional
Sorry hax but I have been here long enough to know that you always say zerg is op even when we have fuck up win rates like now. You need to stop being delusional and just accept you can't play.
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On October 16 2012 20:24 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 20:23 MateShade wrote:On October 16 2012 20:22 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:21 MateShade wrote:On October 16 2012 20:20 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:18 Heavenlee wrote:On October 16 2012 20:16 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:16 Heavenlee wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 stephenrau wrote:
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I think Broodlords at 5 supply would be fair. And a mid game buff? What would you suggest? Why would raising supply for broodlords require a mid-game buff? Lol...colossi are 6, and I'd much rather have a broodlord over a colossus. Because a late game nerfs needs a mid game buff. How many times must we say that? Zerg wins in z v p comes mostly from late game. Fuck our late game and we need a better mid game. And please, everyone would agree colossus is so much better then a broodlord. you mean, how many times must you say it without making any sense? Why would there be a mid-game buff for a SUPPLY CHANGE for a unit so that you can have less of it, since it's clearly a problem? That has no effect on anything instead of making the overpowered late-game more manageable. 5 supply means less broodlords. Less broodlords means less of a army. You seem to think supply is a small problem but zerg is the swarm race. We aren't like toss with big supplies but equally big fire power. We are weak unless we have the numbers. You don't make sense because you think zerg is op, I think z v p needs a redesign for both races to have options in every stage of the game. big difference. Less brood lords means more balance :D I am sorry but I am really not interested in discussing with a player who thinks his losses comes from imbalance instead of admitting he just suck. Good day to you sir. I play random, and Zerg is freaking easy, maybe you shouldn't assume things And I play terran and toss and they are both a move. Troll.
Did you just say Terran was amove L O L
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On October 16 2012 20:25 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 20:24 X3GoldDot wrote:
if zergs were really as op as ppl would think, why is this season's GSL the most balanced of all?? Dont let the terrans get to you my friend.
i literally hate basically non pro level terran players atm, they are the sole reason of bad LR threads.
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On October 16 2012 20:22 Gevna wrote:
What is surprising to me about the crowd, is that GOM studio is always packed when important matches happen. I don't know why OSL is empty :-/ There is a public in Korea for sc2, not as high as bw or LoL, but there is one. But it looks like no one bothers to go to OSL studio.
Because I think in Korea, GSL is still considered the top SC2 tournament.
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MC needs to scout those bases. And mutas. Interesting.
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Jesus, when will this Zerg balance whine stop?
They whined about the Infestor until it got nerfed, then it stopped for a while and the Muta whine began, until Protoss got a hard hard Muta counter which they didn't even need. Now they beat Mutas without ever using the upgrade or making Phoenixes, and the complaints have stopped, and they're back onto nerfing the Infestor some more. It never ends....
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