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On October 16 2012 20:16 X3GoldDot wrote:
honestly MC and DRG are pretty meh as players chosen to face the ultimate kespa player lol..... sad that theres no true TOPPPPPPPPPPPPP tier players like MVP or taeja to go for the ultimate finals
drg and mc are not top tier players? come on now
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On October 16 2012 20:15 Dodgin wrote:
It's time for MC to go back to his roots
2 base all in all day every day
gogogo XD
On October 16 2012 20:14 Highways wrote:
Wow crowd is empty.
Blizzard really needs to redesign the game with HotS. SC2 is pretty pathetic to watch atm.
not going to rage at balance any more than how I've done it semi-indirectly, or criticize the game design, but this was actually surprising to me lol. I'd heard a lot of people around TL saying how SC2 was much less popular in Korea compared to several other esports (we all know which >.<), but I didn't really believe it....but then I see those empty seats and one of my friends korean gaming friends anecdotally mentioned how SC2 wasn't doing that well in korea etc. 
I can hope though, I'm sure we will see some good changes.
for that time being, gogo MC keke
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On October 16 2012 20:16 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 20:14 Highways wrote:
Wow crowd is empty.
Blizzard really needs to redesign the game with HotS. SC2 is pretty pathetic to watch atm. I think that depends. PvT is cool when P is going for templar, ZvT is pretty nice and TvT is fun too. PvP is only fun when someone who's really good goes bink obs, ZvZ meeh it's not awful but not the best either. PvZ on the other hand is fucking disgusting.
I'll just sum up what this guy said, in other words, take out Colossus. 
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On October 16 2012 20:16 X3GoldDot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 20:16 Heavenlee wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 stephenrau wrote:On October 16 2012 20:14 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:13 Megabuster123 wrote:On October 16 2012 20:10 Qikz wrote:
They need to increase the infestors supply by two or something to stop that happening. That was impossible for MC to win at that point. :\
I really hope HoTS beta fixes late game PvZ, I have a horrible feeling the OSL finals will be ruined by it otherwise. If they did that zergs would only be winning zvz..>_> Besides, at that point in the late game DRG would've won with half the infestors he had. The problem with PvZ is that you can't kill the deathball without an Overpowered infestor, and protoss can't do anything except deathball. I reiterate my point, I am cool with a late game zerg nerf but we MUST have a mid game buff for that or we are just fucked. I think Broodlords at 5 supply would be fair. And a mid game buff? What would you suggest? Why would raising supply for broodlords require a mid-game buff? Lol...colossi are 6, and I'd much rather have a broodlord over a colossus. itd make protoss have a higher winrate, and they already have a higher winrate in pvz anyway since most games end with how imbalanced immortal sentry is
QFT, toss seems to like to skim past this fact, immortal sentry is fucking difficult to hold especially on maps like cloud kingdom.
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On October 16 2012 20:16 Heavenlee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 20:15 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 stephenrau wrote:On October 16 2012 20:14 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:13 Megabuster123 wrote:On October 16 2012 20:10 Qikz wrote:
They need to increase the infestors supply by two or something to stop that happening. That was impossible for MC to win at that point. :\
I really hope HoTS beta fixes late game PvZ, I have a horrible feeling the OSL finals will be ruined by it otherwise. If they did that zergs would only be winning zvz..>_> Besides, at that point in the late game DRG would've won with half the infestors he had. The problem with PvZ is that you can't kill the deathball without an Overpowered infestor, and protoss can't do anything except deathball. I reiterate my point, I am cool with a late game zerg nerf but we MUST have a mid game buff for that or we are just fucked. I think Broodlords at 5 supply would be fair. And a mid game buff? What would you suggest? Why would raising supply for broodlords require a mid-game buff? Lol...colossi are 6, and I'd much rather have a broodlord over a colossus.
and you can always do some more spine crawler tricks and you're back to where you started anyway
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The finals: The "new boss toss potentially" versus the Boss Toss or the Final Boss.
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On October 16 2012 20:16 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 20:16 Heavenlee wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 stephenrau wrote:On October 16 2012 20:14 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:13 Megabuster123 wrote:On October 16 2012 20:10 Qikz wrote:
They need to increase the infestors supply by two or something to stop that happening. That was impossible for MC to win at that point. :\
I really hope HoTS beta fixes late game PvZ, I have a horrible feeling the OSL finals will be ruined by it otherwise. If they did that zergs would only be winning zvz..>_> Besides, at that point in the late game DRG would've won with half the infestors he had. The problem with PvZ is that you can't kill the deathball without an Overpowered infestor, and protoss can't do anything except deathball. I reiterate my point, I am cool with a late game zerg nerf but we MUST have a mid game buff for that or we are just fucked. I think Broodlords at 5 supply would be fair. And a mid game buff? What would you suggest? Why would raising supply for broodlords require a mid-game buff? Lol...colossi are 6, and I'd much rather have a broodlord over a colossus. Because a late game nerfs needs a mid game buff. How many times must we say that? Zerg wins in z v p comes mostly from late game. Fuck our late game and we need a better mid game. And please, everyone would agree colossus is so much better then a broodlord.
you mean, how many times must you say it without making any sense? Why would there be a mid-game buff for a SUPPLY CHANGE for a unit so that you can have less of it, since it's clearly a problem? That has no effect on anything instead of making the overpowered late-game more manageable.
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On October 16 2012 20:15 Dodgin wrote:
It's time for MC to go back to his roots
2 base all in all day every day
erry day i be 2 basin'
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I hope DRG early pools 
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Let's take a guess how many manage to get temp banned from this LR for balance whine. I say 2 people. If every game is like the last one, maybe 3.
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On October 16 2012 20:17 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 20:16 X3GoldDot wrote:
honestly MC and DRG are pretty meh as players chosen to face the ultimate kespa player lol..... sad that theres no true TOPPPPPPPPPPPPP tier players like MVP or taeja to go for the ultimate finals drg and mc are not top tier players? come on now
MC, definitly not with how shitty hes playing atm, losing to alive 2-0 and stuff, DRG is still pretty good but there are still better players. they are both top tier on theory but really, they arent doing as good as they were atm.
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I said it in another LR thread. It's too easy and hard to stop the mamaship from getting neuraled.
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On October 16 2012 20:17 MateShade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 20:12 LittLeD wrote:On October 16 2012 20:06 Salteador Neo wrote:On October 16 2012 20:04 LittLeD wrote:On October 16 2012 20:02 morlakaix wrote:
welp looks like carrier collossus mothership stalker archon still can't cost effectively beat ...broodlord infestor
=/ Coming to that conclusion based on this game is extremely stupid. You have to factor in which player has had the economical upperhand throughout the game, which DRG has had since the harassment at the start. That has been known for the last 100 PvZs lol. MC cannot have the gas to remax like zerg can. Based on my observations, the player who creates the most successful harassment is often the player to come over the top in the end. I have BabyKnight vs Ret and vs Vortix from the WCS Europe finals fresh in my memory, where we see BabyK doing several games with successful harassments and then being able to reinforce his army well enough when the end game battles occured. I'm sure there are many other good examples of this. No, gsl hero vs leenock. Hero harassed successfully all game and leenock got crushed. Then all of a sudden when leenock had been on 3 bases for 25 minutes he made some brood lords and won an engagement and gg. Zerg is far too strong.
Actually that's just wrong. Hero just engaged horribly and then choked after losing a big engagement.
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On October 16 2012 20:17 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 20:16 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 16 2012 20:16 Heavenlee wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 stephenrau wrote:On October 16 2012 20:14 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:13 Megabuster123 wrote:On October 16 2012 20:10 Qikz wrote:
They need to increase the infestors supply by two or something to stop that happening. That was impossible for MC to win at that point. :\
I really hope HoTS beta fixes late game PvZ, I have a horrible feeling the OSL finals will be ruined by it otherwise. If they did that zergs would only be winning zvz..>_> Besides, at that point in the late game DRG would've won with half the infestors he had. The problem with PvZ is that you can't kill the deathball without an Overpowered infestor, and protoss can't do anything except deathball. I reiterate my point, I am cool with a late game zerg nerf but we MUST have a mid game buff for that or we are just fucked. I think Broodlords at 5 supply would be fair. And a mid game buff? What would you suggest? Why would raising supply for broodlords require a mid-game buff? Lol...colossi are 6, and I'd much rather have a broodlord over a colossus. itd make protoss have a higher winrate, and they already have a higher winrate in pvz anyway since most games end with how imbalanced immortal sentry is QFT, toss seems to like to skim past this fact, immortal sentry is fucking difficult to hold especially on maps like cloud kingdom.
People arguing that immortal/sentry is stronger than bl/infestor just makes no sense to me... I mean they're both strong but cmon >.<
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What is MCs Never Forget-Poster about?
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On October 16 2012 20:18 Heavenlee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 20:16 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:16 Heavenlee wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:15 stephenrau wrote:On October 16 2012 20:14 ImNightmare wrote:On October 16 2012 20:13 Megabuster123 wrote:On October 16 2012 20:10 Qikz wrote:
They need to increase the infestors supply by two or something to stop that happening. That was impossible for MC to win at that point. :\
I really hope HoTS beta fixes late game PvZ, I have a horrible feeling the OSL finals will be ruined by it otherwise. If they did that zergs would only be winning zvz..>_> Besides, at that point in the late game DRG would've won with half the infestors he had. The problem with PvZ is that you can't kill the deathball without an Overpowered infestor, and protoss can't do anything except deathball. I reiterate my point, I am cool with a late game zerg nerf but we MUST have a mid game buff for that or we are just fucked. I think Broodlords at 5 supply would be fair. And a mid game buff? What would you suggest? Why would raising supply for broodlords require a mid-game buff? Lol...colossi are 6, and I'd much rather have a broodlord over a colossus. Because a late game nerfs needs a mid game buff. How many times must we say that? Zerg wins in z v p comes mostly from late game. Fuck our late game and we need a better mid game. And please, everyone would agree colossus is so much better then a broodlord. you mean, how many times must you say it without making any sense? Why would there be a mid-game buff for a SUPPLY CHANGE for a unit so that you can have less of it, since it's clearly a problem? That has no effect on anything instead of making the overpowered late-game more manageable.
then make sentries or immortals cost more supply, because like that it will even out and immortalsentry wont have a 80% winrate or something.
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On October 16 2012 20:18 TommyP wrote:
The finals: The "new boss toss potentially" versus the Boss Toss or the Final Boss.
Goro-toss vs Shang-Tsung-Toss
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On October 16 2012 20:16 ImNightmare wrote:
Because a late game nerfs needs a mid game buff. How many times must we say that? Zerg wins in z v p comes mostly from late game. Fuck our late game and we need a better mid game. And please, everyone would agree colossus is so much better then a broodlord.
Zergs wanting to go lategame doesn't mean that their midgame is weak. Hypothetically (with the source of numbers being my arse), if you had a 50% chance to win ending it midgame or 80% lategame, why would you ever play to win in the midgame?
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On October 16 2012 20:15 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 20:14 morlakaix wrote:On October 16 2012 20:10 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 16 2012 20:09 morlakaix wrote:On October 16 2012 20:04 LittLeD wrote:On October 16 2012 20:02 morlakaix wrote:
welp looks like carrier collossus mothership stalker archon still can't cost effectively beat ...broodlord infestor
=/ Coming to that conclusion based on this game is extremely stupid. You have to factor in which player has had the economical upperhand throughout the game, which DRG has had since the harassment at the start. have you seen the last 50 PvZs? no, not all, but wcs asia had top 4 as all protoss. dont whine when the fact is that protoss has the upper hand against zerg atm with immortal sentry WCS asia, with high tiered zerg players such as Ian AK Sen Slam and Fly...( no offence) right, those players can definitely take on hero parting squirtle rain and seed lol....this isn't even an argument WCS Korea though?
The stats from WCS Korea in PvZ were as follows: (I didn't see most of these games, so it's possible a minority of them reached the end game)
Zerg 15 - 28 Protoss. The match-ups can be viewed here: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Asia/Nationals/South_Korea
But generally, the Protosses there did really damn well against the zergs (There were even more zergs participating there than Protosses).
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On October 16 2012 20:18 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 20:17 MateShade wrote:On October 16 2012 20:12 LittLeD wrote:On October 16 2012 20:06 Salteador Neo wrote:On October 16 2012 20:04 LittLeD wrote:On October 16 2012 20:02 morlakaix wrote:
welp looks like carrier collossus mothership stalker archon still can't cost effectively beat ...broodlord infestor
=/ Coming to that conclusion based on this game is extremely stupid. You have to factor in which player has had the economical upperhand throughout the game, which DRG has had since the harassment at the start. That has been known for the last 100 PvZs lol. MC cannot have the gas to remax like zerg can. Based on my observations, the player who creates the most successful harassment is often the player to come over the top in the end. I have BabyKnight vs Ret and vs Vortix from the WCS Europe finals fresh in my memory, where we see BabyK doing several games with successful harassments and then being able to reinforce his army well enough when the end game battles occured. I'm sure there are many other good examples of this. No, gsl hero vs leenock. Hero harassed successfully all game and leenock got crushed. Then all of a sudden when leenock had been on 3 bases for 25 minutes he made some brood lords and won an engagement and gg. Zerg is far too strong. Actually that's just wrong. Hero just engaged horribly and then choked after losing a big engagement.
classic hero choke =/= zerg imba
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