EPTBut I have not seen a game yet where both Protoss late-game beats Zerg late-game when they start on basically equal footing.
Protoss used to have the mothership Vortex. But Zerg adapted by spreading their broodlords/infestors.
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Random_0
United States1163 Posts
But I have not seen a game yet where both Protoss late-game beats Zerg late-game when they start on basically equal footing. Protoss used to have the mothership Vortex. But Zerg adapted by spreading their broodlords/infestors. | ||
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ImNightmare
1575 Posts
On October 16 2012 20:13 Megabuster123 wrote: If they did that zergs would only be winning zvz..>_> Besides, at that point in the late game DRG would've won with half the infestors he had. The problem with PvZ is that you can't kill the deathball without an Overpowered infestor, and protoss can't do anything except deathball. I reiterate my point, I am cool with a late game zerg nerf but we MUST have a mid game buff for that or we are just fucked. | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
On October 16 2012 20:12 Zaurus wrote: LOL! Late game PvZ is boring! I prefer 2 base immortal all in, cause Toss has a higher chance of winning! In general? 1) Yes, 2) yes (prefer it to lategame PvZ), 3) yes (compared to lategate, one would think, though I can't be sure. 2) because 3) ? No. Well, when it comes to MC, maybe, since I like him  | ||
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Highways
Australia6105 Posts
Blizzard really needs to redesign the game with HotS. SC2 is pretty pathetic to watch atm. | ||
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stephenrau
468 Posts
On October 16 2012 20:14 ImNightmare wrote: I reiterate my point, I am cool with a late game zerg nerf but we MUST have a mid game buff for that or we are just fucked. I think Broodlords at 5 supply would be fair. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On October 16 2012 20:14 morlakaix wrote: WCS asia, with high tiered zerg players such as Ian AK Sen Slam and Fly...( no offence) right, those players can definitely take on hero parting squirtle rain and seed lol....this isn't even an argument WCS Korea though? | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
2 base all in all day every day | ||
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Random_0
United States1163 Posts
Makes for boring matches. =( | ||
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ImNightmare
1575 Posts
On October 16 2012 20:15 stephenrau wrote: I think Broodlords at 5 supply would be fair. And a mid game buff? What would you suggest? | ||
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aqbabaq
Sweden65 Posts
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Heavenlee
United States966 Posts
On October 16 2012 20:15 ImNightmare wrote: And a mid game buff? What would you suggest? Why would raising supply for broodlords require a mid-game buff? Lol...colossi are 6, and I'd much rather have a broodlord over a colossus. | ||
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X3GoldDot
Malaysia3840 Posts
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dainbramage
Australia1442 Posts
On October 16 2012 20:14 Random_0 wrote:But I have not seen a game yet where both Protoss late-game beats Zerg late-game when they start on basically equal footing. There's a handful. Grubby had a couple at WCS Europe back to back. There just aren't any against the top tier zergs, because they don't die to mass zealot/dt warpins at all of their bases. | ||
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ImNightmare
1575 Posts
On October 16 2012 20:16 Heavenlee wrote: Why would raising supply for broodlords require a mid-game buff? Lol...colossi are 6, and I'd much rather have a broodlord over a colossus. Because a late game nerfs needs a mid game buff. How many times must we say that? Zerg wins in z v p comes mostly from late game. Fuck our late game and we need a better mid game. And please, everyone would agree colossus is so much better then a broodlord. | ||
Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On October 16 2012 20:14 Highways wrote: Wow crowd is empty. Blizzard really needs to redesign the game with HotS. SC2 is pretty pathetic to watch atm. I think that depends. PvT is cool when P is going for templar, ZvT is pretty nice and TvT is fun too. PvP is only fun when someone who's really good goes bink obs, ZvZ meeh it's not awful but not the best either. PvZ on the other hand is fucking disgusting. | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On October 16 2012 20:14 Highways wrote: Wow crowd is empty. Blizzard really needs to redesign the game with HotS. SC2 is pretty pathetic to watch atm. Blizzard is listening. They're making changes but they need to make much much more. Although a big part of me still believes that Blizzard don't give jack shit about e-sports and competition. | ||
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PeaCeR
57 Posts
On October 16 2012 20:10 dainbramage wrote: Hey, 50% of my ZvPs don't involve a third. 50%? I always do 2 base all in against zerg EVERY game, im not crazy to play late game against zerg, or some cheeses like cannon rush or something. | ||
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X3GoldDot
Malaysia3840 Posts
On October 16 2012 20:16 Heavenlee wrote: Why would raising supply for broodlords require a mid-game buff? Lol...colossi are 6, and I'd much rather have a broodlord over a colossus. itd make protoss have a higher winrate, and they already have a higher winrate in pvz anyway since most games end with how imbalanced immortal sentry is | ||
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Megabuster123
Canada1837 Posts
On October 16 2012 20:14 ImNightmare wrote: I reiterate my point, I am cool with a late game zerg nerf but we MUST have a mid game buff for that or we are just fucked. The only problem with the zerg late game is the infestor. But you can't change change the infestor without radically altering every ZvX matchup. | ||
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MateShade
Australia736 Posts
On October 16 2012 20:12 LittLeD wrote: Based on my observations, the player who creates the most successful harassment is often the player to come over the top in the end. I have BabyKnight vs Ret and vs Vortix from the WCS Europe finals fresh in my memory, where we see BabyK doing several games with successful harassments and then being able to reinforce his army well enough when the end game battles occured. I'm sure there are many other good examples of this. No, gsl hero vs leenock. Hero harassed successfully all game and leenock got crushed. Then all of a sudden when leenock had been on 3 bases for 25 minutes he made some brood lords and won an engagement and gg. Zerg is far too strong. User was warned for this post | ||
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