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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 08:51:30
October 17 2012 08:46 GMT
#961
I agree with the guys here who dislike PvX matchups. Only PvT is mostly tolerable these days, i have a big dislike of PvZ usually. If only BLord/Infestor had a good counter it would be a lot more exciting, although the allins of Protoss might need a small nerf too. PvP just isn't fun to watch most of the time. There have been a few good games for both PvZ and PvP though.

Not sure what happens with HotS but i hope it comes soon and i hope it changes much.


Still i'm happy DRG won because PvP is the least fun to watch of all matchups IMO.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24961 Posts
October 17 2012 14:09 GMT
#962
On October 17 2012 17:46 HolydaKing wrote:
I agree with the guys here who dislike PvX matchups. Only PvT is mostly tolerable these days, i have a big dislike of PvZ usually. If only BLord/Infestor had a good counter it would be a lot more exciting, although the allins of Protoss might need a small nerf too. PvP just isn't fun to watch most of the time. There have been a few good games for both PvZ and PvP though.

Not sure what happens with HotS but i hope it comes soon and i hope it changes much.


Still i'm happy DRG won because PvP is the least fun to watch of all matchups IMO.

Aye, but PvZ is as much an issue with how Zerg works and interacts with the Protoss race than a straight up problem with Protoss.
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Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
October 17 2012 14:49 GMT
#963
On October 17 2012 23:09 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 17:46 HolydaKing wrote:
I agree with the guys here who dislike PvX matchups. Only PvT is mostly tolerable these days, i have a big dislike of PvZ usually. If only BLord/Infestor had a good counter it would be a lot more exciting, although the allins of Protoss might need a small nerf too. PvP just isn't fun to watch most of the time. There have been a few good games for both PvZ and PvP though.

Not sure what happens with HotS but i hope it comes soon and i hope it changes much.


Still i'm happy DRG won because PvP is the least fun to watch of all matchups IMO.

Aye, but PvZ is as much an issue with how Zerg works and interacts with the Protoss race than a straight up problem with Protoss.

Nah, Protoss is just a terribly designed race in SC2. It's now becoming more evident now that the match ups have stabilized.
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etherealfall
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia476 Posts
October 17 2012 15:26 GMT
#964
On October 17 2012 23:49 Flonomenalz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 23:09 Wombat_NI wrote:
On October 17 2012 17:46 HolydaKing wrote:
I agree with the guys here who dislike PvX matchups. Only PvT is mostly tolerable these days, i have a big dislike of PvZ usually. If only BLord/Infestor had a good counter it would be a lot more exciting, although the allins of Protoss might need a small nerf too. PvP just isn't fun to watch most of the time. There have been a few good games for both PvZ and PvP though.

Not sure what happens with HotS but i hope it comes soon and i hope it changes much.


Still i'm happy DRG won because PvP is the least fun to watch of all matchups IMO.

Aye, but PvZ is as much an issue with how Zerg works and interacts with the Protoss race than a straight up problem with Protoss.

Nah, Protoss is just a terribly designed race in SC2. It's now becoming more evident now that the match ups have stabilized.


I would like to disagree. It has always been evident warp gate is a difficult mechanic to balance around. But there is simply no real answer for the late game Z from a Protoss perspective.
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
October 17 2012 15:47 GMT
#965
On October 17 2012 04:57 TommyP wrote:
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On October 17 2012 04:51 Wingblade wrote:
On October 17 2012 02:06 Rui.S wrote:
On October 17 2012 01:38 mrtomjones wrote:
On October 17 2012 01:08 HowardRoark wrote:
On October 17 2012 00:37 QRhere wrote:
On October 16 2012 23:29 jellyjello wrote:
On October 16 2012 23:03 QRhere wrote:
On October 16 2012 21:45 Boonbag wrote:
On October 16 2012 21:45 -y0shi- wrote:
I guess Im angry cause Im a protoss fan but I could live with this result if the games wouldve been any good, but this was a waste of time, really bad games Game 1 was depressing...


whole set was depressing


PvZ is depressing.
If I were Korean and had just transitionned from watching Brood War I'd be seriously pissed off at how shitty SC2 sometimes it.



It's not just PvZ. Any match up with P is just depressing to watch.


Very true my friend. Protoss is so wrongly designed it's actually killing the game from a spectator POV.

Yes, Protoss design makes for horrible spectating. Luckily, there is an expansion coming that hopefully address the glaring design flaws of P from a spectator POV. I hope Colossus, Sentry and Warpgates are removed when HotS is released.

It is not Protoss design which is ruining matches. It is Zerg design. Brood and infestor is boring as heck to watch and very hard to beat. PvT and PvP have improved hugely since the earlier days of the matchup.

pvp is still super boring compared to zvz tvz and tvt, while pvt is around the same as zvz, but worse than tvz and tvt. Protoss is a badly designed race because your entire army is centered around 2 or 3 units. Warpgate and forcefields are also super gimmicky and don't belong in an rts game, but the protoss race is balanced around them.


PvT is the best matchup in SC2 by far. TvZ is now blatantly predictable on both sides of the matchup. Terran goes hellion banshee into either bio or mech, and Zerg goes quick third into ling infestor. Terran still has a variety of early game options, and different ways to play out the midgame. Likewise with Protoss. Plus, it's impossible to watch Tvz without seeing Terran players everywhere shedding massive tears when a Zerg wins.

If you play Protoss, PvT is the best. If you don't, it's probably third worst (behind other toss match ups.) Terran only has a small window to do anything and only god mode TvPers can play in late game.

TvZ is by far the best IMO, then TvT then ZvZ.


Your comments on TvP balance are so terribly wrong it sickens me. Terran had a 3 percent win rate advantage in TvP in August. And I complied TvP results from each of the WCS continental finals(where Terran is all but gone) and Terran had a three percent win rate advantage there as well. Your just repeating the comments from the summer of PvT before all the complaining about Zerg. Pro terrains have for the most part adjusted the TvP metagame. TvP is most balanced and best matchup in SC2
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17664 Posts
October 20 2012 04:28 GMT
#966
MC vs Last is currently on, and no LR thread? Can anyone fill me in on what happened in game 1? I missed it cause I was so hyped about the GSL finals!
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Ghoststrikes
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1356 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-20 04:30:54
October 20 2012 04:30 GMT
#967
On October 20 2012 13:28 Die4Ever wrote:
MC vs Last is currently on, and no LR thread? Can anyone fill me in on what happened in game 1? I missed it cause I was so hyped about the GSL finals!


haha exact same for me, just realized this was on, gogo someone be a hero and make an LR thread!

edit: they're doing a recap on stream now!
Never say die
xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
October 20 2012 04:31 GMT
#968
On October 20 2012 13:28 Die4Ever wrote:
MC vs Last is currently on, and no LR thread? Can anyone fill me in on what happened in game 1? I missed it cause I was so hyped about the GSL finals!


boring firsts 10 minutes, it's ohana.

better engages for last until he won
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Obelisco
Profile Joined January 2011
Peru1962 Posts
October 20 2012 04:33 GMT
#969
On October 20 2012 13:28 Die4Ever wrote:
MC vs Last is currently on, and no LR thread? Can anyone fill me in on what happened in game 1? I missed it cause I was so hyped about the GSL finals!

MC was on the defensive for a while, i would say he was a bit ahead in eco cause he had his fourth a bit earlier but he was losing a bit more every fight mmm vs zealot/archon. I think he had no stalkers and that hurt him because he was just getting kited. Game got really in favor of Last when he dropped (MC had to pull his units off drop defense to help at the front since he needed everything he could) and Last just killed templar archives + the recently made robo. Then it was just zealots and some archons left over that got kited to death.
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