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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
October 16 2012 11:10 GMT
#281
They need to increase the infestors supply by two or something to stop that happening. That was impossible for MC to win at that point. :\

I really hope HoTS beta fixes late game PvZ, I have a horrible feeling the OSL finals will be ruined by it otherwise.
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X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
October 16 2012 11:10 GMT
#282
On October 16 2012 20:09 morlakaix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 20:04 LittLeD wrote:
On October 16 2012 20:02 morlakaix wrote:
welp looks like carrier collossus mothership stalker archon still can't cost effectively beat ...broodlord infestor

=/

Coming to that conclusion based on this game is extremely stupid. You have to factor in which player has had the economical upperhand throughout the game, which DRG has had since the harassment at the start.


have you seen the last 50 PvZs?


no, not all, but wcs asia had top 4 as all protoss. dont whine when the fact is that protoss has the upper hand against zerg atm with immortal sentry
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FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4492 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-16 11:11:01
October 16 2012 11:10 GMT
#283
On October 16 2012 20:10 Chrian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 20:08 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Why did none of the Corruptors die? What the heck?


Corruptors spread a lot quicker than Broodlords, you have a more limited time to target them coming out of the toilet, and MC didn't target them with the Archons. The archons came out of the vortex and just started splashing on broodlings in every direction instead of focusing down on the middle of the corruptor pack.

this. movement speed factors into how fast they spread also. *air*
hi. big fan.
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
October 16 2012 11:10 GMT
#284
Immortal sentry all the games MC!!!
NExt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1651 Posts
October 16 2012 11:11 GMT
#285
On October 16 2012 20:09 Aerisky wrote:
Sigh that one made me sad ;__;

Was there anything MC could have done after it went to lategame? Or is protoss really just out of options there, because that's certainly what it seemed like for MC despite how well he played a lot of the time.

Oh well, I believe! >_<


most Protoss would go to harassment based play. When I saw DRG overprepared for harassment and zealot run bys. I was lost on how MC could possibly win.
Waiting for Protoss Jesus
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
October 16 2012 11:11 GMT
#286
On October 16 2012 20:09 Teoita wrote:
My spider sense tells me MC is not going to take a 3rd ever again in this series.


Fix'd*
Fluid
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada136 Posts
October 16 2012 11:11 GMT
#287
Well there you have it, with perfect micro and unit composition from both players in late game pvz always bet on the zerg to win.
snorlax1
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore233 Posts
October 16 2012 11:11 GMT
#288
Super late game PvZ is brutal for P. Vortex does not work anymore MC needs to all in :-?
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
October 16 2012 11:11 GMT
#289
DRG too hot to wear pants
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-16 11:13:03
October 16 2012 11:12 GMT
#290
On October 16 2012 20:06 Salteador Neo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 20:04 LittLeD wrote:
On October 16 2012 20:02 morlakaix wrote:
welp looks like carrier collossus mothership stalker archon still can't cost effectively beat ...broodlord infestor

=/

Coming to that conclusion based on this game is extremely stupid. You have to factor in which player has had the economical upperhand throughout the game, which DRG has had since the harassment at the start.


That has been known for the last 100 PvZs lol.

MC cannot have the gas to remax like zerg can.

Based on my observations, the player who creates the most successful harassment is often the player to come over the top in the end. I have BabyKnight vs Ret and vs Vortix from the WCS Europe finals fresh in my memory, where we see BabyK doing several games with successful harassments and then being able to reinforce his army well enough when the end game battles occured. I'm sure there are many other good examples of this.
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ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
October 16 2012 11:12 GMT
#291
On October 16 2012 20:10 Qikz wrote:
They need to increase the infestors supply by two or something to stop that happening. That was impossible for MC to win at that point. :\

I really hope HoTS beta fixes late game PvZ, I have a horrible feeling the OSL finals will be ruined by it otherwise.

A zerg late game nerf means a buff for mid game. People really need to think about how the wins are coming from z v p. Most are from infestor bl, because we can't end it in mid game.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4492 Posts
October 16 2012 11:12 GMT
#292
On October 16 2012 20:11 Fluid wrote:
Well there you have it, with perfect micro and unit composition from both players in late game pvz always bet on the zerg to win.

if both players are of even skill, i'd tend to agree.
hi. big fan.
Zaurus
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore676 Posts
October 16 2012 11:12 GMT
#293
LOL! Late game PvZ is boring! I prefer 2 base immortal all in, cause Toss has a higher chance of winning!
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
October 16 2012 11:12 GMT
#294
On October 16 2012 20:10 dainbramage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 20:09 Teoita wrote:
My spider sense tells me MC is not going to take a 4th ever again in this series.

Hey, 50% of my ZvPs don't involve a third.


Same. The other half don't involve a 4th.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
October 16 2012 11:13 GMT
#295
On October 16 2012 20:10 Qikz wrote:
They need to increase the infestors supply by two or something to stop that happening. That was impossible for MC to win at that point. :\

I really hope HoTS beta fixes late game PvZ, I have a horrible feeling the OSL finals will be ruined by it otherwise.

If they did that zergs would only be winning zvz..>_>

Besides, at that point in the late game DRG would've won with half the infestors he had. The problem with PvZ is that you can't kill the deathball without an Overpowered infestor, and protoss can't do anything except deathball.
JyB
Profile Joined January 2012
France466 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-16 11:13:53
October 16 2012 11:13 GMT
#296
On October 16 2012 20:10 silent_owl wrote:
Beginning to understand how Daybreak is bad for P during late-game PvZ. Because of the way the map is, you can't take advantage of a more mobile Toss army.


Exactly. Even if the 15 corruptor + 6 archon sequence was ridiculous. I think the map could also be blamed here, really difficult to take advantage of the slow Z lategame army.
Noizhende
Profile Joined January 2012
Austria328 Posts
October 16 2012 11:13 GMT
#297
i wish OSL had better observing. It's so annoying when you see stuff happening on the minimap but the observer needs 5 seconds to react to it.
+ healthbars would be really nice
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TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
October 16 2012 11:13 GMT
#298
ah i love watching that interview lolol.
#TheOneTrueDong
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
October 16 2012 11:14 GMT
#299
On October 16 2012 20:12 Zaurus wrote:
LOL! Late game PvZ is boring! I prefer 2 base immortal all in, cause Toss has a higher chance of winning!


Yeah, when one race's highest chance of winning against another race is a 2 base all in, then you know there's something fundamentally flawed with the match up.
morlakaix
Profile Joined February 2011
United States860 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-16 11:14:58
October 16 2012 11:14 GMT
#300
On October 16 2012 20:10 X3GoldDot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 20:09 morlakaix wrote:
On October 16 2012 20:04 LittLeD wrote:
On October 16 2012 20:02 morlakaix wrote:
welp looks like carrier collossus mothership stalker archon still can't cost effectively beat ...broodlord infestor

=/

Coming to that conclusion based on this game is extremely stupid. You have to factor in which player has had the economical upperhand throughout the game, which DRG has had since the harassment at the start.


have you seen the last 50 PvZs?


no, not all, but wcs asia had top 4 as all protoss. dont whine when the fact is that protoss has the upper hand against zerg atm with immortal sentry



WCS asia, with high tiered zerg players such as Ian AK Sen Slam and Fly...( no offence)


right, those players can definitely take on hero parting squirtle rain and seed


lol....this isn't even an argument



and LOL you're saying protoss is stronger than zerg just because of one 2 base all in


HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA are you trolling?

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