On October 11 2012 17:57 red4ce wrote: Amazing that the defending champs have so little depth that Choya sending himself out first is actually a legitimate decision.
well there's the tear/gumi/leenock trio, and two of asd/thebest/choya/lucky/sirius/jks/etc seems pretty decent :o
On October 11 2012 23:20 TAMinator wrote: This is a really even fight. I feel TSL are very one dimensional race wise though. Player/Map order will be key
That's how I feel too. TSL is so Zerg centric haha. Expecting 5-4 in FXO's favor
On October 11 2012 21:56 opterown wrote: wow i'm surprised TSL is so favoured
We are always the underdog, when we start to not be thats when i get worried.
that 1%!
It's ok because I always cheer for FXO. I believe in you guys!!!! <3 Harness power of SKT's FBB go go ggnore!
glad you've found a team to support in sc2 (aside from SKT :D)
Tis true. I've been a huge fan of Leenock since his first MLG run. He's so fun to watch. But yeah it's nice ot have an ESF tema and a Kespa team to cheer for. I also love how much FXO participates in forums on TL. It makes them family.
Inori vs Choya starter? This could get interesting Choya is Choya and Inori kinda sucks in the Booth but he actually has pretty decent PvP in online tourneys. I like both teams but I like TSL more so gogogo TSL^^ but with these two lineups it could get really interesting.
I think TSL got this one seeing as imo they have the more consistent players and slightly better on the results/skill level. Expect it to be fairly close, but I think TSL will win 5-3.
This is completely unrelated, but if you watch game 2 of Taeja vs Life Ro3, you can see Life start laughing when Taeja accidentally lowers the supply depot.
On October 12 2012 14:43 stuchiu wrote: This is completely unrelated, but if you watch game 2 of Taeja vs Life Ro3, you can see Life start laughing when Taeja accidentally lowers the supply depot.
well that has absolutely nothing to do with this but yeah, life is a maniac
Keen - LOSS Keen - LOSS Coca - LOSS Losira - LOSS Moon - LOSS Curious - LOSS MC - LOSS MC - LOSS
10-21-10 to 10-12-12.
I hope Khaldor/Wolf know that history might be made tonight. Inori will either snap the longest winless streak in GSL history...or he will go 0-9 and go two years without a win in the GSL.
On October 12 2012 15:30 Fionn wrote: Keen - LOSS Keen - LOSS Coca - LOSS Losira - LOSS Moon - LOSS Curious - LOSS MC - LOSS MC - LOSS
10-21-10 to 10-12-12.
I hope Khaldor/Wolf know that history might be made tonight. Inori will either snap the longest winless streak in GSL history...or he will go 0-9 and go two years without a win in the GSL.
Please, Inori. Please.
Let's be honest here - if TSL had a half-decent Protoss he'd never get picked.
Luckily for him, he's up against lolChoya, so it's basically a coin flip as he tries to figure out what ridiculous strategy he's up against.
On October 12 2012 15:30 Fionn wrote: Keen - LOSS Keen - LOSS Coca - LOSS Losira - LOSS Moon - LOSS Curious - LOSS MC - LOSS MC - LOSS
10-21-10 to 10-12-12.
I hope Khaldor/Wolf know that history might be made tonight. Inori will either snap the longest winless streak in GSL history...or he will go 0-9 and go two years without a win in the GSL.
Please, Inori. Please.
Let's be honest here - if TSL had a half-decent Protoss he'd never get picked.
Luckily for him, he's up against lolChoya, so it's basically a coin flip as he tries to figure out what ridiculous strategy he's up against.
Hey, hey. Choya is 7-3 in IPTL at the moment. He's been pulling his weight recently.
On October 12 2012 15:30 Fionn wrote: Keen - LOSS Keen - LOSS Coca - LOSS Losira - LOSS Moon - LOSS Curious - LOSS MC - LOSS MC - LOSS
10-21-10 to 10-12-12.
I hope Khaldor/Wolf know that history might be made tonight. Inori will either snap the longest winless streak in GSL history...or he will go 0-9 and go two years without a win in the GSL.
Please, Inori. Please.
Let's be honest here - if TSL had a half-decent Protoss he'd never get picked.
Luckily for him, he's up against lolChoya, so it's basically a coin flip as he tries to figure out what ridiculous strategy he's up against.
Getting a half decent protoss means less time for zergs, UNACCEPTABLE.
On October 12 2012 15:30 Fionn wrote: Keen - LOSS Keen - LOSS Coca - LOSS Losira - LOSS Moon - LOSS Curious - LOSS MC - LOSS MC - LOSS
10-21-10 to 10-12-12.
I hope Khaldor/Wolf know that history might be made tonight. Inori will either snap the longest winless streak in GSL history...or he will go 0-9 and go two years without a win in the GSL.
Please, Inori. Please.
Let's be honest here - if TSL had a half-decent Protoss he'd never get picked.
Luckily for him, he's up against lolChoya, so it's basically a coin flip as he tries to figure out what ridiculous strategy he's up against.
Hey, hey. Choya is 7-3 in IPTL at the moment. He's been pulling his weight recently.
Going 7-3 against mid-level foreigners isn't really all that special.
Edit: I don't hate Choya, he's fun. Doesn't change the fact that he's. . .not TheBest.
On October 12 2012 15:30 Fionn wrote: Keen - LOSS Keen - LOSS Coca - LOSS Losira - LOSS Moon - LOSS Curious - LOSS MC - LOSS MC - LOSS
10-21-10 to 10-12-12.
I hope Khaldor/Wolf know that history might be made tonight. Inori will either snap the longest winless streak in GSL history...or he will go 0-9 and go two years without a win in the GSL.
Please, Inori. Please.
Let's be honest here - if TSL had a half-decent Protoss he'd never get picked.
Luckily for him, he's up against lolChoya, so it's basically a coin flip as he tries to figure out what ridiculous strategy he's up against.
Hey, hey. Choya is 7-3 in IPTL at the moment. He's been pulling his weight recently.
Going 7-3 against mid-level foreigners isn't really all that special.
Edit: I don't hate Choya, he's fun. Doesn't change the fact that he's. . .not TheBest.
Yeah, I meant it mostly in fun.
The fact he's been participating in IPTL a lot indicates he's been practicing a lot recently, at least.
On October 12 2012 15:30 Fionn wrote: Keen - LOSS Keen - LOSS Coca - LOSS Losira - LOSS Moon - LOSS Curious - LOSS MC - LOSS MC - LOSS
10-21-10 to 10-12-12.
I hope Khaldor/Wolf know that history might be made tonight. Inori will either snap the longest winless streak in GSL history...or he will go 0-9 and go two years without a win in the GSL.
Please, Inori. Please.
Let's be honest here - if TSL had a half-decent Protoss he'd never get picked.
Luckily for him, he's up against lolChoya, so it's basically a coin flip as he tries to figure out what ridiculous strategy he's up against.
Hey, hey. Choya is 7-3 in IPTL at the moment. He's been pulling his weight recently.
Going 7-3 against mid-level foreigners isn't really all that special.
Edit: I don't hate Choya, he's fun. Doesn't change the fact that he's. . .not TheBest.
Yeah, I meant it mostly in fun.
The fact he's been participating in IPTL a lot indicates he's been practicing a lot recently, at least.
or he'd rather his a-lineup not to need to bother playing IPTL at dodgy hours ;p
On October 12 2012 15:30 Fionn wrote: Keen - LOSS Keen - LOSS Coca - LOSS Losira - LOSS Moon - LOSS Curious - LOSS MC - LOSS MC - LOSS
10-21-10 to 10-12-12.
I hope Khaldor/Wolf know that history might be made tonight. Inori will either snap the longest winless streak in GSL history...or he will go 0-9 and go two years without a win in the GSL.
Please, Inori. Please.
Let's be honest here - if TSL had a half-decent Protoss he'd never get picked.
Luckily for him, he's up against lolChoya, so it's basically a coin flip as he tries to figure out what ridiculous strategy he's up against.
Hey, hey. Choya is 7-3 in IPTL at the moment. He's been pulling his weight recently.
Going 7-3 against mid-level foreigners isn't really all that special.
Edit: I don't hate Choya, he's fun. Doesn't change the fact that he's. . .not TheBest.
Yeah, I meant it mostly in fun.
The fact he's been participating in IPTL a lot indicates he's been practicing a lot recently, at least.
or he'd rather his a-lineup not to need to bother playing IPTL at dodgy hours ;p
These online team league have always been B-team excursions, FXO seems to send B-teamers all the time and if the shit hits the fan send out gumiho. Imo gumiho is the ace of FXO he seems more reliable and succesful in team league than leenock.
On October 12 2012 15:30 Fionn wrote: Keen - LOSS Keen - LOSS Coca - LOSS Losira - LOSS Moon - LOSS Curious - LOSS MC - LOSS MC - LOSS
10-21-10 to 10-12-12.
I hope Khaldor/Wolf know that history might be made tonight. Inori will either snap the longest winless streak in GSL history...or he will go 0-9 and go two years without a win in the GSL.
Please, Inori. Please.
Let's be honest here - if TSL had a half-decent Protoss he'd never get picked.
Luckily for him, he's up against lolChoya, so it's basically a coin flip as he tries to figure out what ridiculous strategy he's up against.
Hey, hey. Choya is 7-3 in IPTL at the moment. He's been pulling his weight recently.
Going 7-3 against mid-level foreigners isn't really all that special.
Edit: I don't hate Choya, he's fun. Doesn't change the fact that he's. . .not TheBest.
Yeah, I meant it mostly in fun.
The fact he's been participating in IPTL a lot indicates he's been practicing a lot recently, at least.
or he'd rather his a-lineup not to need to bother playing IPTL at dodgy hours ;p
These online team league have always been B-team excursions, FXO seems to send B-teamers all the time and if the shit hits the fan send out gumiho. Imo gumiho is the ace of FXO he seems more reliable and succesful in team league than leenock.
Not to mention that for IPTL, they are actually in the 2nd tier division.
On October 12 2012 18:01 dynwar7 wrote: Sorry opterown I dont understand, what do you mean by that? Is there no complete list of players participating?
in all kill format, what happens is: each team sends one one player. they play a bo1 the winner of the bo1 stays in the booth, the other player returns to the bench. then the other team sends another. winner of that bo1 stays in the booth, losing team sends out another player keeps on going, until one team reaches five wins
choya is the starting player of FXO, while inori is TSL's starting player
On October 12 2012 18:01 dynwar7 wrote: Sorry opterown I dont understand, what do you mean by that? Is there no complete list of players participating?
He will fill in the roster when it shows who is in the studio. in an all kill format you play until you lose so all we know for sure right now is the starting player for each team
On October 12 2012 18:16 snafoo wrote: Ohh, IM vs ST tomorrow? Lots of players missing for IM(Seed and coach) and ST(Squirtle and Parting) arn't there? -___-
On October 12 2012 18:16 snafoo wrote: Ohh, IM vs ST tomorrow? Lots of players missing for IM(Seed and coach) and ST(Squirtle and Parting) arn't there? -___-
On October 12 2012 18:16 snafoo wrote: Ohh, IM vs ST tomorrow? Lots of players missing for IM(Seed and coach) and ST(Squirtle and Parting) arn't there? -___-
On October 12 2012 18:16 snafoo wrote: Ohh, IM vs ST tomorrow? Lots of players missing for IM(Seed and coach) and ST(Squirtle and Parting) arn't there? -___-
On October 12 2012 18:16 snafoo wrote: Ohh, IM vs ST tomorrow? Lots of players missing for IM(Seed and coach) and ST(Squirtle and Parting) arn't there? -___-
On October 12 2012 18:16 snafoo wrote: Ohh, IM vs ST tomorrow? Lots of players missing for IM(Seed and coach) and ST(Squirtle and Parting) arn't there? -___-
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 1 Score: 0-0 Choya vs inori Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 Choya spawns in the top right inori spawns in the bottom left
1:45 12 gate for inori 13 gate for Choya inori scouting his natural for proxies
2:00 gas for both players Cybernetics core for both players
3:00 zealot for inori 2nd gas for Choya 2nd gas for inori a bit after Choya 2nd gateway for Choya stalker for both players
4:00 twilight council for inori 2 more stalkers for choya 1 stalker for inori probe for inori hidden in choya's main 2nd gate for inori
5:00 inori reveals the probe the scout the base twilight council for Choya another gate for inori blink started for inori robo for inori
6:00 dark shrine started for Choya nexus started for Choya
7:00 Choya adding on 2 more gates observer building for inori blink started for choya blink finishes for inori another gate added on for inori DT warp in mid map from Choya inori pushing across the map
8:00 nexus cancelled from choya DT enters the main base of inori 2nd observer being chronoboosted out stalkers in the main of choya inori kills a pylon and supply blocks coya probes pulled to defend for choya
9:00 probes pulled to fight the DT choya up 11 workers blink is finished for choya 21 workers killed for choya
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 1 Score: 0-0 Choya vs inori Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 Choya spawns in the top right inori spawns in the bottom left
1:45 12 gate for inori 13 gate for Choya inori scouting his natural for proxies
2:00 gas for both players Cybernetics core for both players
3:00 zealot for inori 2nd gas for Choya 2nd gas for inori a bit after Choya 2nd gateway for Choya stalker for both players
4:00 twilight council for inori 2 more stalkers for choya 1 stalker for inori probe for inori hidden in choya's main 2nd gate for inori
5:00 inori reveals the probe the scout the base twilight council for Choya another gate for inori blink started for inori robo for inori
6:00 dark shrine started for Choya nexus started for Choya
7:00 Choya adding on 2 more gates observer building for inori blink started for choya blink finishes for inori another gate added on for inori DT warp in mid map from Choya inori pushing across the map
8:00 nexus cancelled from choya DT enters the main base of inori 2nd observer being chronoboosted out stalkers in the main of choya inori kills a pylon and supply blocks coya probes pulled to defend for choya
9:00 probes pulled to fight the DT choya up 11 workers blink is finished for choya 21 workers killed for choya
10:00 Choya up by 3 stalkers Choya counterattacking inori backs into his main inori forcefields choya out of his main choya tries to attack up the ramp but ends up blinking back choya still up by 4 stalkers
11:00 robo started for choya choya scouting the map for proxy pylons
12:00 observer out for Choya now Nexus started for Choya immortal production started for Choya Nexus started for inori
13:00 2nd immortal started for Choya Choya is 20 supply ahead immortal production begins for inro choya blinks in on inori's stalkers but turns around and inori blinks back 4 stalkers killed putting choya down by 1 stalker
14:00 Robotics support bay for inori DT for Choya does 0 damage Robotics support bay started for Choya 3 immortals out for Choya
15:00 2 immortals out for inori now inori only 4 workers back now Forge started for Choya Colossus production begins for inori Colossus production begins for Choya Extended Thermal Lance started for Choya Extended Thermal Lance started for inori
16:00 forge started for inori +1 attack started for Choya 2nd colossus started for both players Choya blinks into the main and starts killing probes inori's stalkers come home to defend choya loses the stalkers
17:00 DT harassing the natural at teh same time only a few probes died and Choya lost 4 stalkers and a DT 2nd robo for Choya Choya up by 8 workers +1 attack started for inori
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 1 Score: 0-0 Choya vs inori Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 Choya spawns in the top right inori spawns in the bottom left
1:45 12 gate for inori 13 gate for Choya inori scouting his natural for proxies
2:00 gas for both players Cybernetics core for both players
3:00 zealot for inori 2nd gas for Choya 2nd gas for inori a bit after Choya 2nd gateway for Choya stalker for both players
4:00 twilight council for inori 2 more stalkers for choya 1 stalker for inori probe for inori hidden in choya's main 2nd gate for inori
5:00 inori reveals the probe the scout the base twilight council for Choya another gate for inori blink started for inori robo for inori
6:00 dark shrine started for Choya nexus started for Choya
7:00 Choya adding on 2 more gates observer building for inori blink started for choya blink finishes for inori another gate added on for inori DT warp in mid map from Choya inori pushing across the map
8:00 nexus cancelled from choya DT enters the main base of inori 2nd observer being chronoboosted out stalkers in the main of choya inori kills a pylon and supply blocks coya probes pulled to defend for choya
9:00 probes pulled to fight the DT choya up 11 workers blink is finished for choya 21 workers killed for choya
10:00 Choya up by 3 stalkers Choya counterattacking inori backs into his main inori forcefields choya out of his main choya tries to attack up the ramp but ends up blinking back choya still up by 4 stalkers
11:00 robo started for choya choya scouting the map for proxy pylons
12:00 observer out for Choya now Nexus started for Choya immortal production started for Choya Nexus started for inori
13:00 2nd immortal started for Choya Choya is 20 supply ahead immortal production begins for inro choya blinks in on inori's stalkers but turns around and inori blinks back 4 stalkers killed putting choya down by 1 stalker
14:00 Robotics support bay for inori DT for Choya does 0 damage Robotics support bay started for Choya 3 immortals out for Choya
15:00 2 immortals out for inori now inori only 4 workers back now Forge started for Choya Colossus production begins for inori Colossus production begins for Choya Extended Thermal Lance started for Choya Extended Thermal Lance started for inori
16:00 forge started for inori +1 attack started for Choya 2nd colossus started for both players Choya blinks into the main and starts killing probes inori's stalkers come home to defend choya loses the stalkers
17:00 DT harassing the natural at teh same time only a few probes died and Choya lost 4 stalkers and a DT 2nd robo for Choya Choya up by 8 workers +1 attack started for inori
18:00 Charge started for Choya 2nd robo for inori double colossus production started for Choya +1 attack finishes for Choya
19:00 double colossus production begins for inori 3rd nexus started for Choya Choya loses his observer inori is now ahead in worker count +2 attack started for inori choya adding on more gates +2 attack started for Choya
20:00 charge started for inori 3rd base started for inori Choya up 4-2 in immortal count Choya pushing out on the map inori chasing a small pack of Choya's stalkers with all of his
21:00 choya corners allt he stalkers and kills them inori adding on more gates Templar archives started at roughly the same time for both players Choya pushing towards the 3rd of inori
22:00 Charge finishes for inori +2 attack finishes for both players inori is ahead 9-8 in colossus count archons warping in for Choya (3)
Wtf engagement at the end from inori, he seemed completley unprepared for a fight at the 3rd. Fantastic play from choya though sending himself looks well justified if he keeps up this kind of play.
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 1 Score: 0-0 Choya vs inori Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 Choya spawns in the top right inori spawns in the bottom left
1:45 12 gate for inori 13 gate for Choya inori scouting his natural for proxies
2:00 gas for both players Cybernetics core for both players
3:00 zealot for inori 2nd gas for Choya 2nd gas for inori a bit after Choya 2nd gateway for Choya stalker for both players
4:00 twilight council for inori 2 more stalkers for choya 1 stalker for inori probe for inori hidden in choya's main 2nd gate for inori
5:00 inori reveals the probe the scout the base twilight council for Choya another gate for inori blink started for inori robo for inori
6:00 dark shrine started for Choya nexus started for Choya
7:00 Choya adding on 2 more gates observer building for inori blink started for choya blink finishes for inori another gate added on for inori DT warp in mid map from Choya inori pushing across the map
8:00 nexus cancelled from choya DT enters the main base of inori 2nd observer being chronoboosted out stalkers in the main of choya inori kills a pylon and supply blocks coya probes pulled to defend for choya
9:00 probes pulled to fight the DT choya up 11 workers blink is finished for choya 21 workers killed for choya
10:00 Choya up by 3 stalkers Choya counterattacking inori backs into his main inori forcefields choya out of his main choya tries to attack up the ramp but ends up blinking back choya still up by 4 stalkers
11:00 robo started for choya choya scouting the map for proxy pylons
12:00 observer out for Choya now Nexus started for Choya immortal production started for Choya Nexus started for inori
13:00 2nd immortal started for Choya Choya is 20 supply ahead immortal production begins for inro choya blinks in on inori's stalkers but turns around and inori blinks back 4 stalkers killed putting choya down by 1 stalker
14:00 Robotics support bay for inori DT for Choya does 0 damage Robotics support bay started for Choya 3 immortals out for Choya
15:00 2 immortals out for inori now inori only 4 workers back now Forge started for Choya Colossus production begins for inori Colossus production begins for Choya Extended Thermal Lance started for Choya Extended Thermal Lance started for inori
16:00 forge started for inori +1 attack started for Choya 2nd colossus started for both players Choya blinks into the main and starts killing probes inori's stalkers come home to defend choya loses the stalkers
17:00 DT harassing the natural at teh same time only a few probes died and Choya lost 4 stalkers and a DT 2nd robo for Choya Choya up by 8 workers +1 attack started for inori
18:00 Charge started for Choya 2nd robo for inori double colossus production started for Choya +1 attack finishes for Choya
19:00 double colossus production begins for inori 3rd nexus started for Choya Choya loses his observer inori is now ahead in worker count +2 attack started for inori choya adding on more gates +2 attack started for Choya
20:00 charge started for inori 3rd base started for inori Choya up 4-2 in immortal count Choya pushing out on the map inori chasing a small pack of Choya's stalkers with all of his
21:00 choya corners allt he stalkers and kills them inori adding on more gates Templar archives started at roughly the same time for both players Choya pushing towards the 3rd of inori
22:00 Charge finishes for inori +2 attack finishes for both players inori is ahead 9-8 in colossus count archons warping in for Choya (3)
23:00 Choya attacking intot he 3rd inori doesnt spread his colossus inori's supply is dropping choya chasing inori past the 3rd choya way ahead in colossus count 4 colossus vs 0
24:00 all the probes at inori's 3rd are dying inori ggs! Choya wins game 1 for FXO!
While he probably wouldn't have won that battle either way I wonder wtf he was doing before that battle started. He kept walking his colossi back and forth in a ball. He should have spread everything out and then just let them sit until choya attacked...
On October 12 2012 18:41 SupLilSon wrote: Wait... Inori has never won a game in GSL or GSTL? hehe I'm surprised I didn't know that
0-2 to MC in GSL season 2 2010 0-2 to keen this season Countless GSTL losses only sent out once for fou lost to curious and has been a staple of TSL putting themselves one map behind ever since.
On October 12 2012 18:41 SupLilSon wrote: Wait... Inori has never won a game in GSL or GSTL? hehe I'm surprised I didn't know that
0-2 to MC in GSL season 2 2010 0-2 to keen this season Countless GSTL losses only sent out once for fou lost to curious and has been a staple of TSL putting themselves one map behind ever since.
Not mithout mistakes by Choya (and Inori as well), but a solid game. And a clever strat, going for both DT's and expand. Either he moves out and you DT's do a lot of damage, or he doesn't and he'll be a bit behind with his expo. That defence with stalkers and probes basically won Choya the game, or at least gave him a huge advantage.
I didn't catch the start of the game, but I saw Choya was ahead 12 probes. which at that stage if you manage to get an expansion, you pretty much win cause of the lead you had, Inori played well to try and catch up.
On October 12 2012 18:45 Hiea wrote: I didn't catch the start of the game, but I saw Choya was ahead 12 probes. which at that stage if you manage to get an expansion, you pretty much win cause of the lead you had, Inori played well to try and catch up.
Blink vs DT + delayed blink. DTs hit inori's main when inori tried to attack choya. choya held inori's attack leading to the worker count difference
On October 12 2012 18:41 GumBa wrote: I mean Inori has got to be good in practice or Coach Lee wouldnt send him out all the time?
Inori got top 8 in both MLG Spring Arena 2 and MLG Spring Championship.
Yeah but bashing foriegners aint bo GSL :/
The guy followed up a win over stephano by losing to idra, make of it what you will.
Yeah I suppose onlince he seems pretty decent aswell just in GSL booth he fails so hard I want him to suceed because It would be amazing to watch his happines if he finally got sucess in GSTL or Gsl would be amazing.
On October 12 2012 18:40 JJH777 wrote: While he probably wouldn't have won that battle either way I wonder wtf he was doing before that battle started. He kept walking his colossi back and forth in a ball. He should have spread everything out and then just let them sit until choya attacked...
Ok the reason he did that was because he had no buffer for his collys and if he keeps them spread out then they die rapidly to chargelots. Did you not see him lose 10 stlakers 1 min before the final battle?
On October 12 2012 18:41 Chill Penguin wrote: The stage is set, Choya all kill incoming.
fuck yes.
I love watching Choya win man. He gets so excited.
haha yea i was kinda surprised to see him get so psyched over that first win vs inori.
He should be excited. He knew that by defeating inori tsl would either have to take their chances with a weak player, or send out a better player who fxo could of course snipe. In addition Choya constantly gets mocked for sending out himself in team leagues, but this proves that he is still valuable as a player.
On October 12 2012 18:41 Chill Penguin wrote: The stage is set, Choya all kill incoming.
fuck yes.
I love watching Choya win man. He gets so excited.
haha yea i was kinda surprised to see him get so psyched over that first win vs inori.
He should be excited. He knew that by defeating inori tsl would either have to take their chances with a weak player, or send out a better player who fxo could of course snipe. In addition Choya constantly gets mocked for sending out himself in team leagues, but this proves that he is still valuable as a player.
On October 12 2012 18:40 JJH777 wrote: While he probably wouldn't have won that battle either way I wonder wtf he was doing before that battle started. He kept walking his colossi back and forth in a ball. He should have spread everything out and then just let them sit until choya attacked...
Ok the reason he did that was because he had no buffer for his collys and if he keeps them spread out then they die rapidly to chargelots. Did you not see him lose 10 stlakers 1 min before the final battle?
He had at least 10-15 zealots to buffer. Yes I saw him lose the stalkers that's why I said he probably wouldn't have won either way. I guarantee the battle at least goes better than it did in that game if he spreads out a bunch even if he still doesn't win it.
On October 12 2012 18:41 GumBa wrote: I mean Inori has got to be good in practice or Coach Lee wouldnt send him out all the time?
Inori got top 8 in both MLG Spring Arena 2 and MLG Spring Championship.
Yeah but bashing foriegners aint bo GSL :/
The guy followed up a win over stephano by losing to idra, make of it what you will.
Yeah I suppose onlince he seems pretty decent aswell just in GSL booth he fails so hard I want him to suceed because It would be amazing to watch his happines if he finally got sucess in GSTL or Gsl would be amazing.
He hasn't won a game in the gsl in 2 years, what do you think his mentality is like at this point? A mental block doesn't even come close to describe it lol
On October 12 2012 18:44 Zvenn3n wrote: What's that song they play as an "intro" to the pauses? The singer sounds like the one from Smash Mouth.. (The "then she leaves" song)
On October 12 2012 18:53 {ToT}ColmA wrote: why are korean girls so cute :3 and a voice of an angel, her hairstyle is cute ~_~
does fxo ve some decent terran? would like to see some terrans
Gumiho, duh
And maybe TheBest, depends what you mean by decent P
Korean hipsters who follow the ESV weeklies knows thebest has been playing much better recently and is definitely a solid terran who can compete in code A and GSTL at least.
On October 12 2012 18:44 Zvenn3n wrote: What's that song they play as an "intro" to the pauses? The singer sounds like the one from Smash Mouth.. (The "then she leaves" song)
On October 12 2012 18:53 {ToT}ColmA wrote: why are korean girls so cute :3 and a voice of an angel, her hairstyle is cute ~_~
does fxo ve some decent terran? would like to see some terrans
Gumiho, duh
And maybe TheBest, depends what you mean by decent P
Korean hipsters who follow the ESV weeklies knows thebest has been playing much better recently and is definitely a solid terran who can compete in code A and GSTL at least.
I know, but there is no way I will ever forget TheBest vs Min.
On October 12 2012 18:53 {ToT}ColmA wrote: why are korean girls so cute :3 and a voice of an angel, her hairstyle is cute ~_~
does fxo ve some decent terran? would like to see some terrans
Gumiho, duh
And maybe TheBest, depends what you mean by decent P
Korean hipsters who follow the ESV weeklies knows thebest has been playing much better recently and is definitely a solid terran who can compete in code A and GSTL at least.
I know, but there is no way I will ever forget TheBest vs Min.
TheBest vs Min was the best match ever, next to revival vs ensnare, cytoplasm vs dragon, happy vs tod and hyun vs forsen.
On October 12 2012 18:53 {ToT}ColmA wrote: why are korean girls so cute :3 and a voice of an angel, her hairstyle is cute ~_~
does fxo ve some decent terran? would like to see some terrans
Gumiho, duh
And maybe TheBest, depends what you mean by decent P
Korean hipsters who follow the ESV weeklies knows thebest has been playing much better recently and is definitely a solid terran who can compete in code A and GSTL at least.
I know, but there is no way I will ever forget TheBest vs Min.
TheBest vs Min was the best match ever, next to revival vs ensnare, cytoplasm vs dragon, happy vs tod and hyun vs forsen.
THX for bringing those games out of the deepest darkest corners of my memories -.-
On October 12 2012 18:53 {ToT}ColmA wrote: why are korean girls so cute :3 and a voice of an angel, her hairstyle is cute ~_~
does fxo ve some decent terran? would like to see some terrans
Gumiho, duh
And maybe TheBest, depends what you mean by decent P
Korean hipsters who follow the ESV weeklies knows thebest has been playing much better recently and is definitely a solid terran who can compete in code A and GSTL at least.
I know, but there is no way I will ever forget TheBest vs Min.
TheBest vs Min was the best match ever, next to revival vs ensnare, cytoplasm vs dragon, happy vs tod and hyun vs forsen.
I can't for the life of me find the vod of hyun vs forsen, it keeps coming up in LR threads and I really feel like immersing myself in the beauty of it once again
On October 12 2012 18:53 {ToT}ColmA wrote: why are korean girls so cute :3 and a voice of an angel, her hairstyle is cute ~_~
does fxo ve some decent terran? would like to see some terrans
Gumiho, duh
And maybe TheBest, depends what you mean by decent P
Korean hipsters who follow the ESV weeklies knows thebest has been playing much better recently and is definitely a solid terran who can compete in code A and GSTL at least.
I know, but there is no way I will ever forget TheBest vs Min.
TheBest vs Min was the best match ever, next to revival vs ensnare, cytoplasm vs dragon, happy vs tod and hyun vs forsen.
THX for bringing those games out of the deepest darkest corners of my memories -.-
Hyun vs Forsen should be the thing that coddles you to sleep at night, awesome game, brings a smile to my face everytime I think about it.
On October 12 2012 18:53 {ToT}ColmA wrote: why are korean girls so cute :3 and a voice of an angel, her hairstyle is cute ~_~
does fxo ve some decent terran? would like to see some terrans
Gumiho, duh
And maybe TheBest, depends what you mean by decent P
Korean hipsters who follow the ESV weeklies knows thebest has been playing much better recently and is definitely a solid terran who can compete in code A and GSTL at least.
I know, but there is no way I will ever forget TheBest vs Min.
TheBest vs Min was the best match ever, next to revival vs ensnare, cytoplasm vs dragon, happy vs tod and hyun vs forsen.
THX for bringing those games out of the deepest darkest corners of my memories -.-
Hyun vs Forsen should be the thing that coddles you to sleep at night, awesome game, brings a smile to my face everytime I think about it.
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 2 Score: 1-0 Choya vs Ragnarok Map: Daybreak
0:00 Choya spawns in the top right Ragnarok spawns in the bottom left
2:00 15 Pool for Ragnarok Choya's probe delaying the hatch Nexus for Choya Hatchery for Ragnarok
3:00 Forge for Choya 2 lings coming out for Ragnarok Gateway for Choya Cannon for Choya
4:00 3rd base for Ragnarok and choya scouts within seconds 2 gas for Choya Cybernetics Core for Choya
5:00 Choya sends his first zealot to the watch tower stargate for Choya
6:00 double gas for Ragnarok at his natural Roach warren for Ragnarok
7:00 Overlord scout from Ragnarok sees the Stargate first void ray coming out for Choya 3 gates added on for Choya evo chamber for Ragnarok ling speed started +1 attack started for Choya Lair started for Ragnarok 2nd void ray for Choya
8:00 3rd Nexus for Choya +1 carapace for Ragnarok the first void ray is cleaning up overlords ling runby to the 3rd of choya is chased back by a void ray and a few gateway units 2 more gates for Choya
9:00 Lings at the watchtower see the second void ray lings try to run into the natural but a zealot warp in blocks it roach speed started +1 armor started for Choya infestation pit started for Ragnarok burrow started for Ragnarok
10:00 Macro hatch started for Ragnarok Pathogen glands research started 4th base started for Ragnarok Twilight council started for Choya
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 2 Score: 1-0 Choya vs Ragnarok Map: Daybreak
0:00 Choya spawns in the top right Ragnarok spawns in the bottom left
2:00 15 Pool for Ragnarok Choya's probe delaying the hatch Nexus for Choya Hatchery for Ragnarok
3:00 Forge for Choya 2 lings coming out for Ragnarok Gateway for Choya Cannon for Choya
4:00 3rd base for Ragnarok and choya scouts within seconds 2 gas for Choya Cybernetics Core for Choya
5:00 Choya sends his first zealot to the watch tower stargate for Choya
6:00 double gas for Ragnarok at his natural Roach warren for Ragnarok
7:00 Overlord scout from Ragnarok sees the Stargate first void ray coming out for Choya 3 gates added on for Choya evo chamber for Ragnarok ling speed started +1 attack started for Choya Lair started for Ragnarok 2nd void ray for Choya
8:00 3rd Nexus for Choya +1 carapace for Ragnarok the first void ray is cleaning up overlords ling runby to the 3rd of choya is chased back by a void ray and a few gateway units 2 more gates for Choya
9:00 Lings at the watchtower see the second void ray lings try to run into the natural but a zealot warp in blocks it roach speed started +1 armor started for Choya infestation pit started for Ragnarok burrow started for Ragnarok
10:00 Macro hatch started for Ragnarok Pathogen glands research started 4th base started for Ragnarok Twilight council started for Choya
11:00 Infestor production begins Choya pushing across the map lots of lings coming out for Ragnarok 7 infestors coming out for Ragnarok +2 attack started for Choya charge started templar archives started for Choya center base hatchery of Ragnarok forced to cancel
12:00 Robo started for Choya group of zealots from Choya caught by lings void ray taken out by infestors
13:00 4th base restarted for Ragnarok 2nd evo chamber started +1 melee attack started first archons coming in for Choya 2nd void ray killed by infestors more infestors coming out for Ragnarok Robotics support bay started for Choya +2 carapace started for Ragnarok
14:00 immortal production begins mass infested terran and lings dropped at the 3rd of choya Spire started for Ragnarok Hive started for Ragnarok Choya cleans up the lings and infested terrans only 3 probes died phoenix out on the map
15:00 4th base started for Choya Colossus productionb egins blink started +3 attack started for Choya roach runby to the 3rd of Choya is cleaned up for no damage +2 melee started for Ragnarok spines going up at the center for Ragnarok
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 2 Score: 1-0 Choya vs Ragnarok Map: Daybreak
0:00 Choya spawns in the top right Ragnarok spawns in the bottom left
2:00 15 Pool for Ragnarok Choya's probe delaying the hatch Nexus for Choya Hatchery for Ragnarok
3:00 Forge for Choya 2 lings coming out for Ragnarok Gateway for Choya Cannon for Choya
4:00 3rd base for Ragnarok and choya scouts within seconds 2 gas for Choya Cybernetics Core for Choya
5:00 Choya sends his first zealot to the watch tower stargate for Choya
6:00 double gas for Ragnarok at his natural Roach warren for Ragnarok
7:00 Overlord scout from Ragnarok sees the Stargate first void ray coming out for Choya 3 gates added on for Choya evo chamber for Ragnarok ling speed started +1 attack started for Choya Lair started for Ragnarok 2nd void ray for Choya
8:00 3rd Nexus for Choya +1 carapace for Ragnarok the first void ray is cleaning up overlords ling runby to the 3rd of choya is chased back by a void ray and a few gateway units 2 more gates for Choya
9:00 Lings at the watchtower see the second void ray lings try to run into the natural but a zealot warp in blocks it roach speed started +1 armor started for Choya infestation pit started for Ragnarok burrow started for Ragnarok
10:00 Macro hatch started for Ragnarok Pathogen glands research started 4th base started for Ragnarok Twilight council started for Choya
11:00 Infestor production begins Choya pushing across the map lots of lings coming out for Ragnarok 7 infestors coming out for Ragnarok +2 attack started for Choya charge started templar archives started for Choya center base hatchery of Ragnarok forced to cancel
12:00 Robo started for Choya group of zealots from Choya caught by lings void ray taken out by infestors
13:00 4th base restarted for Ragnarok 2nd evo chamber started +1 melee attack started first archons coming in for Choya 2nd void ray killed by infestors more infestors coming out for Ragnarok Robotics support bay started for Choya +2 carapace started for Ragnarok
14:00 immortal production begins mass infested terran and lings dropped at the 3rd of choya Spire started for Ragnarok Hive started for Ragnarok Choya cleans up the lings and infested terrans only 3 probes died phoenix out on the map
15:00 4th base started for Choya Colossus productionb egins blink started +3 attack started for Choya roach runby to the 3rd of Choya is cleaned up for no damage +2 melee started for Ragnarok spines going up at the center for Ragnarok
16:00 zealot runby to the 3rd forces the lings back Choya attacks the 4th but gets caught by fungal extended thermal lance started roach runby to the 3rd of Choya targets down the nexus Greater spire building for inori
17:00 ling infestor attack at the 4th of Choya infested terran all thrown out Choya is able to hold but all the infestors get away
18:00 11 corrutors come out Brood lords start morphing (11) 12 infestors are out Choya attacking the 4th of Ragnarok Brood lords finish and help defend Choya has to back off
19:00 Brood lords breaking down the center rocks Dark shrine started 3rd base rebuilt for Choya 3-3 started for Inori's melee Stargate started for Choya
20:00 Choya blinks under the brood lords infested terran and fungals hit the stalkers Ragnarok pushing the 4th 5th of Ragnarok finishes zealot runby to the 5th stalkers blink under the broods again all the stalkers die
21:00 Ragnarok remaxing with a bunker of roaches Choya loses his 4th base 5th of Ragnarok is killed
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 2 Score: 1-0 Choya vs Ragnarok Map: Daybreak
0:00 Choya spawns in the top right Ragnarok spawns in the bottom left
2:00 15 Pool for Ragnarok Choya's probe delaying the hatch Nexus for Choya Hatchery for Ragnarok
3:00 Forge for Choya 2 lings coming out for Ragnarok Gateway for Choya Cannon for Choya
4:00 3rd base for Ragnarok and choya scouts within seconds 2 gas for Choya Cybernetics Core for Choya
5:00 Choya sends his first zealot to the watch tower stargate for Choya
6:00 double gas for Ragnarok at his natural Roach warren for Ragnarok
7:00 Overlord scout from Ragnarok sees the Stargate first void ray coming out for Choya 3 gates added on for Choya evo chamber for Ragnarok ling speed started +1 attack started for Choya Lair started for Ragnarok 2nd void ray for Choya
8:00 3rd Nexus for Choya +1 carapace for Ragnarok the first void ray is cleaning up overlords ling runby to the 3rd of choya is chased back by a void ray and a few gateway units 2 more gates for Choya
9:00 Lings at the watchtower see the second void ray lings try to run into the natural but a zealot warp in blocks it roach speed started +1 armor started for Choya infestation pit started for Ragnarok burrow started for Ragnarok
10:00 Macro hatch started for Ragnarok Pathogen glands research started 4th base started for Ragnarok Twilight council started for Choya
11:00 Infestor production begins Choya pushing across the map lots of lings coming out for Ragnarok 7 infestors coming out for Ragnarok +2 attack started for Choya charge started templar archives started for Choya center base hatchery of Ragnarok forced to cancel
12:00 Robo started for Choya group of zealots from Choya caught by lings void ray taken out by infestors
13:00 4th base restarted for Ragnarok 2nd evo chamber started +1 melee attack started first archons coming in for Choya 2nd void ray killed by infestors more infestors coming out for Ragnarok Robotics support bay started for Choya +2 carapace started for Ragnarok
14:00 immortal production begins mass infested terran and lings dropped at the 3rd of choya Spire started for Ragnarok Hive started for Ragnarok Choya cleans up the lings and infested terrans only 3 probes died phoenix out on the map
15:00 4th base started for Choya Colossus productionb egins blink started +3 attack started for Choya roach runby to the 3rd of Choya is cleaned up for no damage +2 melee started for Ragnarok spines going up at the center for Ragnarok
16:00 zealot runby to the 3rd forces the lings back Choya attacks the 4th but gets caught by fungal extended thermal lance started roach runby to the 3rd of Choya targets down the nexus Greater spire building for inori
17:00 ling infestor attack at the 4th of Choya infested terran all thrown out Choya is able to hold but all the infestors get away
18:00 11 corrutors come out Brood lords start morphing (11) 12 infestors are out Choya attacking the 4th of Ragnarok Brood lords finish and help defend Choya has to back off
19:00 Brood lords breaking down the center rocks Dark shrine started 3rd base rebuilt for Choya 3-3 started for Inori's melee Stargate started for Choya
20:00 Choya blinks under the brood lords infested terran and fungals hit the stalkers Ragnarok pushing the 4th 5th of Ragnarok finishes zealot runby to the 5th stalkers blink under the broods again all the stalkers die
21:00 Ragnarok remaxing with a bunker of roaches Choya loses his 4th base 5th of Ragnarok is killed
22:00 Choya back off to his 3rd Roach remax comes Choya ggs! Ragnarok ties it up 1-1 for TSL!
The decision by Choya to push against ling/infestor with no collosi or storm cost him the game. It was pretty even till that point, but it snowballed after that.
So they chose their fifth man to be choya, the asd/lucky/thebest 4th choice for asd so it's now tear, leenock and gumiho from here for FXO. TSL have shut out one of revival or shine as polt and symbol will come out and with ragnarok and inori are already out.
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 3 Score: 1-1 asd vs Ragnarok Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 asd spawns in the bottom left Ragnarok spawns in the top right
2:00 Hatch first for Ragnarok CC first on the low ground for asd rax on the high ground for asd pool started for Ragnarok drone harassing the CC building scv
3:00 gas for asd gas for Ragnarok
4:00 ling speed started for Ragnarok Factory started for asd reactor started on the rax
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 3 Score: 1-1 asd vs Ragnarok Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 asd spawns in the bottom left Ragnarok spawns in the top right
2:00 Hatch first for Ragnarok CC first on the low ground for asd rax on the high ground for asd pool started for Ragnarok drone harassing the CC building scv
3:00 gas for asd gas for Ragnarok
4:00 ling speed started for Ragnarok Factory started for asd reactor started on the rax
5:00 3rd CC started for asd in the main on the high ground factory moved onto the reactor 2nd gas for asd reactored hellion production begins
6:00 3rd hatch for Ragnarok Roach warren started stim research started 2nd gas fr Ragnarok
7:00 double ebay started for asd Roach production begins double evo for Ragnarok 1-1 started for asd
8:00 asd foating out his 3rd OC 2 more rax added on 1-1 melee + carapace started for Ragnarok roach production was stopped at 4 to defend against the hellions asd lands his OC in the natural instaed of the 3rd Lair started for Ragnarok Starport for asd
9:00 Marauder production begins for asd Macro hatch for Ragnarok armory for asd Ragnarok adding on a few more roaches
10:00 asd lands his 3rd at the 3rd location Roach speed started Combat shields half way done Medivac production begins infestation pit started 4th base started for Ragnarok Overlord speed started for Ragnarok Siege mode research begins siege tank production begins
Nice defense from ragnarok but his composition is pretty poor against bio without some really good fungals even then when the medivac count starts to really build it'll get worse.
Ouch, Wolf doesn't know who areaMassan is despite being from the same university and driving to MLG Orlando in the same car, in an 8 hour drive . Worst thing since Paul and Jesus~
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 3 Score: 1-1 asd vs Ragnarok Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 asd spawns in the bottom left Ragnarok spawns in the top right
2:00 Hatch first for Ragnarok CC first on the low ground for asd rax on the high ground for asd pool started for Ragnarok drone harassing the CC building scv
3:00 gas for asd gas for Ragnarok
4:00 ling speed started for Ragnarok Factory started for asd reactor started on the rax
5:00 3rd CC started for asd in the main on the high ground factory moved onto the reactor 2nd gas for asd reactored hellion production begins
6:00 3rd hatch for Ragnarok Roach warren started stim research started 2nd gas fr Ragnarok
7:00 double ebay started for asd Roach production begins double evo for Ragnarok 1-1 started for asd
8:00 asd foating out his 3rd OC 2 more rax added on 1-1 melee + carapace started for Ragnarok roach production was stopped at 4 to defend against the hellions asd lands his OC in the natural instaed of the 3rd Lair started for Ragnarok Starport for asd
9:00 Marauder production begins for asd Macro hatch for Ragnarok armory for asd Ragnarok adding on a few more roaches
10:00 asd lands his 3rd at the 3rd location Roach speed started Combat shields half way done Medivac production begins infestation pit started 4th base started for Ragnarok Overlord speed started for Ragnarok Siege mode research begins siege tank production begins
11:00 2-2 started for asd 2-2 started for Ragnarok asd pushing out with his first 2 medivacs asd kills all the lings and roaches
12:00 Ragnarok backs off and regroups pathogen galnds is finishing up infestor production begins asd tries to drop the main with his forces but the lings chase it off medivacs see the drones transferring to the 4th at the bottom left third lings and roaches chase off the drop at the fourth
13:00 +1 vehicle weapons started for asd 4th CC finishing up for asd concussive shells research Hive started Spire started
14:00 Sensor tower going up for asd 8 marine drop heading out for the 3rd of Ragnarok asd going to take the center base but is blocked by overlord creep the overlord is killed Ragnarok comes out to engage asd at the middle of the map Ragnarok loses a lot of lings and roaches He manages to pick off the tanks
15:00 Ranarok backs off after picking off a few tnaks Hive is finished +3 attack started for asd Greater spire started
16:00 drop at the 3rd of Ragnarok is killed by a spore and 2 spines 3-3 started for Ragnarok planetary fortress morphing at the center base asd pushing towards the fourth of ragnarok
17:00 big ling and roach runby towards asd's natural wall off stops the lings and marines clean it up the 4th of Ragnarok falls brood lords are spotted morphing (8) drop in the main of ragnarok Thor production started 3 starports being added
Nope this just didn't work for asd, the principle of army > no army happened again it's all fine and well to destroy ragnarok's economy but he never had an answer for ragnarok's army.
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 3 Score: 1-1 asd vs Ragnarok Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 asd spawns in the bottom left Ragnarok spawns in the top right
2:00 Hatch first for Ragnarok CC first on the low ground for asd rax on the high ground for asd pool started for Ragnarok drone harassing the CC building scv
3:00 gas for asd gas for Ragnarok
4:00 ling speed started for Ragnarok Factory started for asd reactor started on the rax
5:00 3rd CC started for asd in the main on the high ground factory moved onto the reactor 2nd gas for asd reactored hellion production begins
6:00 3rd hatch for Ragnarok Roach warren started stim research started 2nd gas fr Ragnarok
7:00 double ebay started for asd Roach production begins double evo for Ragnarok 1-1 started for asd
8:00 asd foating out his 3rd OC 2 more rax added on 1-1 melee + carapace started for Ragnarok roach production was stopped at 4 to defend against the hellions asd lands his OC in the natural instaed of the 3rd Lair started for Ragnarok Starport for asd
9:00 Marauder production begins for asd Macro hatch for Ragnarok armory for asd Ragnarok adding on a few more roaches
10:00 asd lands his 3rd at the 3rd location Roach speed started Combat shields half way done Medivac production begins infestation pit started 4th base started for Ragnarok Overlord speed started for Ragnarok Siege mode research begins siege tank production begins
11:00 2-2 started for asd 2-2 started for Ragnarok asd pushing out with his first 2 medivacs asd kills all the lings and roaches
12:00 Ragnarok backs off and regroups pathogen galnds is finishing up infestor production begins asd tries to drop the main with his forces but the lings chase it off medivacs see the drones transferring to the 4th at the bottom left third lings and roaches chase off the drop at the fourth
13:00 +1 vehicle weapons started for asd 4th CC finishing up for asd concussive shells research Hive started Spire started
14:00 Sensor tower going up for asd 8 marine drop heading out for the 3rd of Ragnarok asd going to take the center base but is blocked by overlord creep the overlord is killed Ragnarok comes out to engage asd at the middle of the map Ragnarok loses a lot of lings and roaches He manages to pick off the tanks
15:00 Ranarok backs off after picking off a few tnaks Hive is finished +3 attack started for asd Greater spire started
16:00 drop at the 3rd of Ragnarok is killed by a spore and 2 spines 3-3 started for Ragnarok planetary fortress morphing at the center base asd pushing towards the fourth of ragnarok
17:00 big ling and roach runby towards asd's natural wall off stops the lings and marines clean it up the 4th of Ragnarok falls brood lords are spotted morphing (8) drop in the main of ragnarok Thor production started 3 starports being added
18:00 Brood lords are out double drop in the main brood lords chase it away +1 ship weapons started for asd +3 armor started for asd's bio asd breaking down the rocks to Ragnarok's 3rd Ragnarok takes the bottom right natural
19:00 viking production begins 3rd base of ragnarok underattack 3rd falls before brood lords can kill it drop in the main base 5th CC started at the top left 3rd spawning pool killed and restarted
20:00 Brood lords sieging up the center base of asd asd abandons the PF drop at the rebuilding 3rd of ragnarok drop at the main of ragnarok
21:00 triple medivac marine drop at the 3rd of Ragnarok Ragnarok pushing the natural and third of asd Ultralisk cavern started drop at the natural of Ragnarok Planetary fortress started at the 5th base of asd fungals go down on the vikings 20 corruptors out for Ragnarok
22:00 triple drop runs into the natural of Ragnarok Ultralisk production begins Ulta cavern killed Greater spire is dead Ragnarok restarts his 4th base Ragnarok up 50 supply
23:00 marine force goes intot he main infestors find the planetary in the top left infested terran thrown down there asd losing his main to brood lords
24:00 asd trying to kill broods with vikings but ther are too many corruptors drop in the main is chased out by lings and ultras spawning pool being rebuilt asd ggs! Ragnarok takes game 3!
One of tear, gumiho or leenock will not go out given that gumiho and tear are best vZ leaving those two out in the cold is strange I guess leenock may be skipped out today.
On October 12 2012 19:38 Kasaraki wrote: Not using one of Leenock/Tear/Gumiho today. Hmm, don't know what I think of that.
I guess hedging on leenock's ZvZ which isn't his forefront MU agains the zergfest TSL may mean he'll be overlooked today and let gumiho and tear vZ try to carry them the real issue would be polt gumiho is certainly a match for polt if you watched their matches in the RO32 I think it'll go tear then gumiho now.
On October 12 2012 19:38 Kasaraki wrote: Not using one of Leenock/Tear/Gumiho today. Hmm, don't know what I think of that.
I guess hedging on leenock's ZvZ which isn't his forefront MU agains the zergfest TSL may mean he'll be overlooked today and let gumiho and tear vZ try to carry them the real issue would be polt gumiho is certainly a match for polt if you watched their matches in the RO32 I think it'll go tear then gumiho now.
Even with thoses considerations, it's still wierd to not use one among thoses 3...
On October 12 2012 19:27 zocktol wrote: 5$ Ragnarok attacks into the choke and dies, any takers?
He's not a foreigner.
Don't let certain foreigners spoil the batch for you. Naniwa is a beast and on the same level as the best koreans when he is in shape.
On September 11 2012 16:54 InDesconrowl wrote: Naniwa won't drop a map, believe that. He is motivated and in his best form because he has a new sponsor to impress. I will delete my account if Naniwa doesn't advance and I have 70% liquidbet correct votes out of a total 200.
On October 12 2012 19:39 Shellshock1122 wrote: TheBest likes to go Mech so most likely he will actually be using banshees
Just wait till you watch Ragnarok's anti mech. TheBest gonna get rolled with high probability unless he has some cranky snipe variation prepared, which he probably does have lol. At any rate, can't go wrong with 2012 tvz.
On September 11 2012 16:54 InDesconrowl wrote: Naniwa won't drop a map, believe that. He is motivated and in his best form because he has a new sponsor to impress. I will delete my account if Naniwa doesn't advance and I have 70% liquidbet correct votes out of a total 200.
On September 11 2012 16:54 InDesconrowl wrote: Naniwa won't drop a map, believe that. He is motivated and in his best form because he has a new sponsor to impress. I will delete my account if Naniwa doesn't advance and I have 70% liquidbet correct votes out of a total 200.
LOL, never quite followed through with that promise.
On October 12 2012 19:42 Arceus wrote: just made home from work. any vod-worthy game so far?
If you like choya game one is a nice match, game two had some interesting stuff but doesn't really become that good at the end, 3rd game incredibly standard TvZ that terrans cry about 24/7.
On October 12 2012 19:27 zocktol wrote: 5$ Ragnarok attacks into the choke and dies, any takers?
He's not a foreigner.
Don't let certain foreigners spoil the batch for you. Naniwa is a beast and on the same level as the best koreans when he is in shape.
On September 11 2012 16:54 InDesconrowl wrote: Naniwa won't drop a map, believe that. He is motivated and in his best form because he has a new sponsor to impress. I will delete my account if Naniwa doesn't advance and I have 70% liquidbet correct votes out of a total 200.
LOL, never quite followed through with that promise.
On October 12 2012 19:27 zocktol wrote: 5$ Ragnarok attacks into the choke and dies, any takers?
He's not a foreigner.
Don't let certain foreigners spoil the batch for you. Naniwa is a beast and on the same level as the best koreans when he is in shape.
On September 11 2012 16:54 InDesconrowl wrote: Naniwa won't drop a map, believe that. He is motivated and in his best form because he has a new sponsor to impress. I will delete my account if Naniwa doesn't advance and I have 70% liquidbet correct votes out of a total 200.
LOL, never quite followed through with that promise.
Shock :D
Until I looked at the timestamp on that post, I thought it was for Nerchio vs Naniwa lOl
On October 12 2012 19:27 zocktol wrote: 5$ Ragnarok attacks into the choke and dies, any takers?
He's not a foreigner.
Don't let certain foreigners spoil the batch for you. Naniwa is a beast and on the same level as the best koreans when he is in shape.
On September 11 2012 16:54 InDesconrowl wrote: Naniwa won't drop a map, believe that. He is motivated and in his best form because he has a new sponsor to impress. I will delete my account if Naniwa doesn't advance and I have 70% liquidbet correct votes out of a total 200.
LOL, never quite followed through with that promise.
Shock :D
kids these days, just don't have the commitment to follow through, its a damn disgrace.
People talk about SC2 protoss being messed up, but SC2 zerg is even more so. Man, I miss the days when zerg was the expansion-hungry massive swarm that hits you with endless streams of reinforcement.
On October 12 2012 19:43 GumBa wrote: Yay Gom works again
xD a temporary glitch in the backbone of the internet! A sure sign of the Ragnarok to come.
You my good sir have now made me choke on my water not once not twice but thrice and you wanted to help me. You are now officialy in my list of total ballers wp sir wp
On October 12 2012 19:27 zocktol wrote: 5$ Ragnarok attacks into the choke and dies, any takers?
He's not a foreigner.
Don't let certain foreigners spoil the batch for you. Naniwa is a beast and on the same level as the best koreans when he is in shape.
On September 11 2012 16:54 InDesconrowl wrote: Naniwa won't drop a map, believe that. He is motivated and in his best form because he has a new sponsor to impress. I will delete my account if Naniwa doesn't advance and I have 70% liquidbet correct votes out of a total 200.
LOL, never quite followed through with that promise.
Shock :D
kids these days, just don't have the commitment to follow through, its a damn disgrace.
You've got to follow through on your promises, speaking of promises come join the church of the glorious new God Keen he will lead us to ESPORTS salvation.
On October 12 2012 19:27 zocktol wrote: 5$ Ragnarok attacks into the choke and dies, any takers?
He's not a foreigner.
Don't let certain foreigners spoil the batch for you. Naniwa is a beast and on the same level as the best koreans when he is in shape.
On September 11 2012 16:54 InDesconrowl wrote: Naniwa won't drop a map, believe that. He is motivated and in his best form because he has a new sponsor to impress. I will delete my account if Naniwa doesn't advance and I have 70% liquidbet correct votes out of a total 200.
LOL, never quite followed through with that promise.
Shock :D
kids these days, just don't have the commitment to follow through, its a damn disgrace.
Well seeing that he is not responding, maybe he forgot about it and just remembered now.
On October 12 2012 19:27 zocktol wrote: 5$ Ragnarok attacks into the choke and dies, any takers?
He's not a foreigner.
Don't let certain foreigners spoil the batch for you. Naniwa is a beast and on the same level as the best koreans when he is in shape.
On September 11 2012 16:54 InDesconrowl wrote: Naniwa won't drop a map, believe that. He is motivated and in his best form because he has a new sponsor to impress. I will delete my account if Naniwa doesn't advance and I have 70% liquidbet correct votes out of a total 200.
LOL, never quite followed through with that promise.
Shock :D
Until I looked at the timestamp on that post, I thought it was for Nerchio vs Naniwa lOl
it was his code S season 4 group haha (heart sniper squirtle)
On September 11 2012 16:54 InDesconrowl wrote: Naniwa won't drop a map, believe that. He is motivated and in his best form because he has a new sponsor to impress. I will delete my account if Naniwa doesn't advance and I have 70% liquidbet correct votes out of a total 200.
On October 12 2012 19:27 zocktol wrote: 5$ Ragnarok attacks into the choke and dies, any takers?
He's not a foreigner.
Don't let certain foreigners spoil the batch for you. Naniwa is a beast and on the same level as the best koreans when he is in shape.
On September 11 2012 16:54 InDesconrowl wrote: Naniwa won't drop a map, believe that. He is motivated and in his best form because he has a new sponsor to impress. I will delete my account if Naniwa doesn't advance and I have 70% liquidbet correct votes out of a total 200.
LOL, never quite followed through with that promise.
Shock :D
kids these days, just don't have the commitment to follow through, its a damn disgrace.
On October 12 2012 19:45 baubo wrote: People talk about SC2 protoss being messed up, but SC2 zerg is even more so. Man, I miss the days when zerg was the expansion-hungry massive swarm that hits you with endless streams of reinforcement.
More leenocks and lifes less sortofs and jonnyreccos.
On October 12 2012 19:27 zocktol wrote: 5$ Ragnarok attacks into the choke and dies, any takers?
He's not a foreigner.
Don't let certain foreigners spoil the batch for you. Naniwa is a beast and on the same level as the best koreans when he is in shape.
On September 11 2012 16:54 InDesconrowl wrote: Naniwa won't drop a map, believe that. He is motivated and in his best form because he has a new sponsor to impress. I will delete my account if Naniwa doesn't advance and I have 70% liquidbet correct votes out of a total 200.
LOL, never quite followed through with that promise.
Shock :D
kids these days, just don't have the commitment to follow through, its a damn disgrace.
You've got to follow through on your promises, speaking of promises come join the church of the glorious new God Keen he will lead us to ESPORTS salvation.
On October 12 2012 19:27 zocktol wrote: 5$ Ragnarok attacks into the choke and dies, any takers?
He's not a foreigner.
Don't let certain foreigners spoil the batch for you. Naniwa is a beast and on the same level as the best koreans when he is in shape.
On September 11 2012 16:54 InDesconrowl wrote: Naniwa won't drop a map, believe that. He is motivated and in his best form because he has a new sponsor to impress. I will delete my account if Naniwa doesn't advance and I have 70% liquidbet correct votes out of a total 200.
LOL, never quite followed through with that promise.
Shock :D
kids these days, just don't have the commitment to follow through, its a damn disgrace.
You've got to follow through on your promises, speaking of promises come join the church of the glorious new God Keen he will lead us to ESPORTS salvation.
On October 12 2012 19:43 GumBa wrote: Yay Gom works again
xD a temporary glitch in the backbone of the internet! A sure sign of the Ragnarok to come.
You my good sir have now made me choke on my water not once not twice but thrice and you wanted to help me. You are now officialy in my list of total ballers wp sir wp
On October 12 2012 19:27 zocktol wrote: 5$ Ragnarok attacks into the choke and dies, any takers?
He's not a foreigner.
Don't let certain foreigners spoil the batch for you. Naniwa is a beast and on the same level as the best koreans when he is in shape.
On September 11 2012 16:54 InDesconrowl wrote: Naniwa won't drop a map, believe that. He is motivated and in his best form because he has a new sponsor to impress. I will delete my account if Naniwa doesn't advance and I have 70% liquidbet correct votes out of a total 200.
LOL, never quite followed through with that promise.
Shock :D
kids these days, just don't have the commitment to follow through, its a damn disgrace.
Finished that essay yet Day? :D
YES, successfully 5 days late, and pretty terrible. But I'm an old man, so it doesn't count.
On October 12 2012 19:27 zocktol wrote: 5$ Ragnarok attacks into the choke and dies, any takers?
He's not a foreigner.
Don't let certain foreigners spoil the batch for you. Naniwa is a beast and on the same level as the best koreans when he is in shape.
On September 11 2012 16:54 InDesconrowl wrote: Naniwa won't drop a map, believe that. He is motivated and in his best form because he has a new sponsor to impress. I will delete my account if Naniwa doesn't advance and I have 70% liquidbet correct votes out of a total 200.
LOL, never quite followed through with that promise.
Shock :D
kids these days, just don't have the commitment to follow through, its a damn disgrace.
Finished that essay yet Day? :D
YES, successfully 5 days late, and pretty terrible. But I'm an old man, so it doesn't count.
On October 12 2012 19:27 zocktol wrote: 5$ Ragnarok attacks into the choke and dies, any takers?
He's not a foreigner.
Don't let certain foreigners spoil the batch for you. Naniwa is a beast and on the same level as the best koreans when he is in shape.
On September 11 2012 16:54 InDesconrowl wrote: Naniwa won't drop a map, believe that. He is motivated and in his best form because he has a new sponsor to impress. I will delete my account if Naniwa doesn't advance and I have 70% liquidbet correct votes out of a total 200.
LOL, never quite followed through with that promise.
Shock :D
kids these days, just don't have the commitment to follow through, its a damn disgrace.
Finished that essay yet Day? :D
YES, successfully 5 days late, and pretty terrible. But I'm an old man, so it doesn't count.
On October 12 2012 19:27 zocktol wrote: 5$ Ragnarok attacks into the choke and dies, any takers?
He's not a foreigner.
Don't let certain foreigners spoil the batch for you. Naniwa is a beast and on the same level as the best koreans when he is in shape.
On September 11 2012 16:54 InDesconrowl wrote: Naniwa won't drop a map, believe that. He is motivated and in his best form because he has a new sponsor to impress. I will delete my account if Naniwa doesn't advance and I have 70% liquidbet correct votes out of a total 200.
LOL, never quite followed through with that promise.
Shock :D
kids these days, just don't have the commitment to follow through, its a damn disgrace.
Finished that essay yet Day? :D
YES, successfully 5 days late, and pretty terrible. But I'm an old man, so it doesn't count.
Lies, old people don't post more than 16 times a day. That's like saying MMA is an oldie.
On October 12 2012 19:27 zocktol wrote: 5$ Ragnarok attacks into the choke and dies, any takers?
He's not a foreigner.
Don't let certain foreigners spoil the batch for you. Naniwa is a beast and on the same level as the best koreans when he is in shape.
On September 11 2012 16:54 InDesconrowl wrote: Naniwa won't drop a map, believe that. He is motivated and in his best form because he has a new sponsor to impress. I will delete my account if Naniwa doesn't advance and I have 70% liquidbet correct votes out of a total 200.
LOL, never quite followed through with that promise.
Shock :D
kids these days, just don't have the commitment to follow through, its a damn disgrace.
Finished that essay yet Day? :D
YES, successfully 5 days late, and pretty terrible. But I'm an old man, so it doesn't count.
On October 12 2012 19:27 zocktol wrote: 5$ Ragnarok attacks into the choke and dies, any takers?
He's not a foreigner.
Don't let certain foreigners spoil the batch for you. Naniwa is a beast and on the same level as the best koreans when he is in shape.
On September 11 2012 16:54 InDesconrowl wrote: Naniwa won't drop a map, believe that. He is motivated and in his best form because he has a new sponsor to impress. I will delete my account if Naniwa doesn't advance and I have 70% liquidbet correct votes out of a total 200.
LOL, never quite followed through with that promise.
Shock :D
kids these days, just don't have the commitment to follow through, its a damn disgrace.
Finished that essay yet Day? :D
YES, successfully 5 days late, and pretty terrible. But I'm an old man, so it doesn't count.
Lies, old people don't post more than 16 times a day. That's like saying MMA is an oldie.
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 4 Score: 1-2 TheBest vs Ragnarok Map: Entombed Valley
0:00 TheBest spawns in the bottom right Ragnarok spawns in the top left
1:00 9 pool for Ragnarok rax first for TheBest
2:00 ling production started for Ragnarok -- 6 lings on the way Ragnarok drone scouts and sees the Rax first from TheBest lings running around the watch tower
3:00 CC on the low ground from TheBest double gas from TheBest TheBest loses his first marine but manages to get a depot up to wall off CC cancelled 2nd marine is really late the depot building dies
4:00 more lings show up scvs are pulled to help defend 2nd marine dies scvs chasing the lings Ragnarok now ahead by 3 drones hatch for Ragnarok 3 lings escape from the main
5:00 CC on the high ground to wall off Factory started for TheBest gas started for Ragnarok reactor for TheBest
On October 12 2012 19:27 Fusilero wrote: [quote] He's not a foreigner.
Don't let certain foreigners spoil the batch for you. Naniwa is a beast and on the same level as the best koreans when he is in shape.
On September 11 2012 16:54 InDesconrowl wrote: Naniwa won't drop a map, believe that. He is motivated and in his best form because he has a new sponsor to impress. I will delete my account if Naniwa doesn't advance and I have 70% liquidbet correct votes out of a total 200.
LOL, never quite followed through with that promise.
Shock :D
kids these days, just don't have the commitment to follow through, its a damn disgrace.
Finished that essay yet Day? :D
YES, successfully 5 days late, and pretty terrible. But I'm an old man, so it doesn't count.
Lies, old people don't post more than 16 times a day. That's like saying MMA is an oldie.
MMA is pretty old compared to most sc2 doods
The cup, it is not half empty ~_~;;
Similarly, TheBest is simply saving money on his CC, it's not that his CC is dead-- hmm...
On October 12 2012 19:27 zocktol wrote: 5$ Ragnarok attacks into the choke and dies, any takers?
He's not a foreigner.
Don't let certain foreigners spoil the batch for you. Naniwa is a beast and on the same level as the best koreans when he is in shape.
On September 11 2012 16:54 InDesconrowl wrote: Naniwa won't drop a map, believe that. He is motivated and in his best form because he has a new sponsor to impress. I will delete my account if Naniwa doesn't advance and I have 70% liquidbet correct votes out of a total 200.
LOL, never quite followed through with that promise.
Shock :D
kids these days, just don't have the commitment to follow through, its a damn disgrace.
Well seeing that he is not responding, maybe he forgot about it and just remembered now.
"Oshit, forgot about that post....better go delete my account RIGHT NOW"
On October 12 2012 19:27 Fusilero wrote: [quote] He's not a foreigner.
Don't let certain foreigners spoil the batch for you. Naniwa is a beast and on the same level as the best koreans when he is in shape.
On September 11 2012 16:54 InDesconrowl wrote: Naniwa won't drop a map, believe that. He is motivated and in his best form because he has a new sponsor to impress. I will delete my account if Naniwa doesn't advance and I have 70% liquidbet correct votes out of a total 200.
LOL, never quite followed through with that promise.
Shock :D
kids these days, just don't have the commitment to follow through, its a damn disgrace.
Finished that essay yet Day? :D
YES, successfully 5 days late, and pretty terrible. But I'm an old man, so it doesn't count.
On October 12 2012 19:27 zocktol wrote: 5$ Ragnarok attacks into the choke and dies, any takers?
He's not a foreigner.
Don't let certain foreigners spoil the batch for you. Naniwa is a beast and on the same level as the best koreans when he is in shape.
On September 11 2012 16:54 InDesconrowl wrote: Naniwa won't drop a map, believe that. He is motivated and in his best form because he has a new sponsor to impress. I will delete my account if Naniwa doesn't advance and I have 70% liquidbet correct votes out of a total 200.
LOL, never quite followed through with that promise.
Shock :D
kids these days, just don't have the commitment to follow through, its a damn disgrace.
Well seeing that he is not responding, maybe he forgot about it and just remembered now.
"Oshit, forgot about that post....better go delete my account RIGHT NOW"
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 4 Score: 1-2 TheBest vs Ragnarok Map: Entombed Valley
0:00 TheBest spawns in the bottom right Ragnarok spawns in the top left
1:00 9 pool for Ragnarok rax first for TheBest
2:00 ling production started for Ragnarok -- 6 lings on the way Ragnarok drone scouts and sees the Rax first from TheBest lings running around the watch tower
3:00 CC on the low ground from TheBest double gas from TheBest TheBest loses his first marine but manages to get a depot up to wall off CC cancelled 2nd marine is really late the depot building dies
4:00 more lings show up scvs are pulled to help defend 2nd marine dies scvs chasing the lings Ragnarok now ahead by 3 drones hatch for Ragnarok 3 lings escape from the main
5:00 CC on the high ground to wall off Factory started for TheBest gas started for Ragnarok reactor for TheBest
6:00 2nd gas for Ragnarok starport for TheBest Lair started for Ragnarok
7:00 Ling speed started for Ragnarok hellion production started for thebest reactor on both the factory and rax TheBest floats his CC to the low ground
8:00 Banshee production begins Spire started for Ragnarok evo chamber started for Ragnarok spine crawler denies the first two hellions from the natural baneling nest started
9:00 hellion denied before it can get in the main engineering bay started for TheBest Muta production begins hellion banshee attack at the natural of TheBest
10:00 spinecrawler falls banelings finish morphing and come down the main ramp ragnarok is able to clean up thebest's army
11:00 mutas kill off the last marines and a banshee missile turrets going up for thebest baneling speed started for Ragnarok Mutas counterattacking armory started for TheBest +1 melee staretd for Ragnarok
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 4 Score: 1-2 TheBest vs Ragnarok Map: Entombed Valley
0:00 TheBest spawns in the bottom right Ragnarok spawns in the top left
1:00 9 pool for Ragnarok rax first for TheBest
2:00 ling production started for Ragnarok -- 6 lings on the way Ragnarok drone scouts and sees the Rax first from TheBest lings running around the watch tower
3:00 CC on the low ground from TheBest double gas from TheBest TheBest loses his first marine but manages to get a depot up to wall off CC cancelled 2nd marine is really late the depot building dies
4:00 more lings show up scvs are pulled to help defend 2nd marine dies scvs chasing the lings Ragnarok now ahead by 3 drones hatch for Ragnarok 3 lings escape from the main
5:00 CC on the high ground to wall off Factory started for TheBest gas started for Ragnarok reactor for TheBest
6:00 2nd gas for Ragnarok starport for TheBest Lair started for Ragnarok
7:00 Ling speed started for Ragnarok hellion production started for thebest reactor on both the factory and rax TheBest floats his CC to the low ground
8:00 Banshee production begins Spire started for Ragnarok evo chamber started for Ragnarok spine crawler denies the first two hellions from the natural baneling nest started
9:00 hellion denied before it can get in the main engineering bay started for TheBest Muta production begins hellion banshee attack at the natural of TheBest
10:00 spinecrawler falls banelings finish morphing and come down the main ramp ragnarok is able to clean up thebest's army
11:00 mutas kill off the last marines and a banshee missile turrets going up for thebest baneling speed started for Ragnarok Mutas counterattacking armory started for TheBest +1 melee staretd for Ragnarok
12:00 3rd base started for Ragnarok bunker finished at the natural for TheBest 2nd bunker going up 20 banelings out for Ragnarok baneling bust coming into the natural banelings into the natural scv line
13:00 almost all the natural scvs die as baneling speed finishes 56 drones vs 29 scv Thebest sub 50 supply 2 more factories going up for TheBest +1 vehicle weapons started first thor coming out Roach warren started for Ragnarok contaminate on the armory
14:00 4th base started for Ragnarok +1 carapace started Overlord drops started blue flame research started for thebest +1 range attacks started for Ragnarok 4th factory started for TheBest Roach speed started Siege tank production begins
15:00 Siege mode research started
16:00 +2 carapace research started lots of roaches are out for Ragnarok Ragnarok is ahead by 70 supply Overlord speed started Roaches attack into the natural scvs pulled to repair TheBest loses all his tanks Roaches in the main
17:00 2nd wave of Roaches coming in Thebest is able to hold Ragnarok regroups his roaches and brings overlords across the map TheBest is almost mined out of his main
18:00 Roaches load up in overlords Roach drop in the natural and main Thebest is 100 supply down +2 vehicle weapons started Thebest has no mining
19:00 Thebest holds his natural another wave of Roaches come in TheBest ggs! Ragnarok takes a 3-1 lead!
On October 12 2012 20:02 S_SienZ wrote: shoudve sent Tear instead of TheBest imo. Why wouldnt you wanna play Leenock or Gumiho?
I can understand not wanting to field Leenock because of his ZvZ and TSL's strong Zerg lineup. But even if that is the case it probably would have made more sense to send Gumiho now, hope he cleans up enough of their zergs that he either A) takes it or B) pushes them to their ace who, hopefully, won't be a zerg, in which case they field Leenock as their own ace.
On October 12 2012 20:02 S_SienZ wrote: shoudve sent Tear instead of TheBest imo. Why wouldnt you wanna play Leenock or Gumiho?
I can understand not wanting to field Leenock because of his ZvZ and TSL's strong Zerg lineup. But even if that is the case it probably would have made more sense to send Gumiho now, hope he cleans up enough of their zergs that he either A) takes it or B) pushes them to their ace who, hopefully, won't be a zerg, in which case they field Leenock as their own ace.
His ZvZ? As far as i know Leenock is strongest in ZvZ.
On October 12 2012 20:01 MangoMountain wrote: Just send gumiho and end this nonsense
The guy that lost 5-3 to Hyun in the IPL Fight Club?
Not that gumiho, I mean the gumiho that all-killed slayers
Fair enough I forgot about that =), did he have any real ZvT's in that run though. I think he played against Coca and Miya or something and although Coca is good I think Gumiho just 2 raxed him
I don't understand why they didn't send in Leenock unless he is really uncomfortable with his ZvZ.
I wonder if Gumiho having that long game vs BboongBboong yesterday in Code A means he won't play today?
On October 12 2012 20:01 MangoMountain wrote: Just send gumiho and end this nonsense
The guy that lost 5-3 to Hyun in the IPL Fight Club?
Not that gumiho, I mean the gumiho that all-killed slayers
Fair enough I forgot about that =), did he have any real ZvT's in that run though. I think he played against Coca and Miya or something and although Coca is good I think Gumiho just 2 raxed him
I don't understand why they didn't send in Leenock unless he is really uncomfortable with his ZvZ.
I wonder if Gumiho having that long game vs BboongBboong yesterday in Code A means he won't play today?
lol that game vs coca was a bit more then just a "2 rax"
On October 12 2012 20:01 MangoMountain wrote: Just send gumiho and end this nonsense
The guy that lost 5-3 to Hyun in the IPL Fight Club?
Not that gumiho, I mean the gumiho that all-killed slayers
Fair enough I forgot about that =), did he have any real ZvT's in that run though. I think he played against Coca and Miya or something and although Coca is good I think Gumiho just 2 raxed him
I don't understand why they didn't send in Leenock unless he is really uncomfortable with his ZvZ.
I wonder if Gumiho having that long game vs BboongBboong yesterday in Code A means he won't play today?
he played a long game on atlantis and 2raxed coca, but the 2raxed failed (the followup was pretty cool)
On October 12 2012 20:01 MangoMountain wrote: Just send gumiho and end this nonsense
The guy that lost 5-3 to Hyun in the IPL Fight Club?
Not that gumiho, I mean the gumiho that all-killed slayers
Fair enough I forgot about that =), did he have any real ZvT's in that run though. I think he played against Coca and Miya or something and although Coca is good I think Gumiho just 2 raxed him
I don't understand why they didn't send in Leenock unless he is really uncomfortable with his ZvZ.
I wonder if Gumiho having that long game vs BboongBboong yesterday in Code A means he won't play today?
lol that game vs coca was a bit more then just a "2 rax"
Honestly i can't remember what happened that game I just remember it wasn't a 'standard' ZvT and I think Gumiho got ahead early
On October 12 2012 20:02 S_SienZ wrote: shoudve sent Tear instead of TheBest imo. Why wouldnt you wanna play Leenock or Gumiho?
I can understand not wanting to field Leenock because of his ZvZ and TSL's strong Zerg lineup. But even if that is the case it probably would have made more sense to send Gumiho now, hope he cleans up enough of their zergs that he either A) takes it or B) pushes them to their ace who, hopefully, won't be a zerg, in which case they field Leenock as their own ace.
His ZvZ? As far as i know Leenock is strongest in ZvZ.
Just checked his TLPD and it looks like you're right. I don't know why I thought he had really weak ZvZ. Might just be a bad impression left over from a bad game or 2 I guess.
On October 12 2012 20:01 MangoMountain wrote: Just send gumiho and end this nonsense
The guy that lost 5-3 to Hyun in the IPL Fight Club?
Not that gumiho, I mean the gumiho that all-killed slayers
Fair enough I forgot about that =), did he have any real ZvT's in that run though. I think he played against Coca and Miya or something and although Coca is good I think Gumiho just 2 raxed him
I don't understand why they didn't send in Leenock unless he is really uncomfortable with his ZvZ.
I wonder if Gumiho having that long game vs BboongBboong yesterday in Code A means he won't play today?
quite obvious. Gumiho barely beat B4 yesterday (yeah B4 had the better first half of every game before he derped) while Symbol/Hyun is 46x better and Lagnalok is on steroid
On October 12 2012 20:01 MangoMountain wrote: Just send gumiho and end this nonsense
The guy that lost 5-3 to Hyun in the IPL Fight Club?
Not that gumiho, I mean the gumiho that all-killed slayers
Fair enough I forgot about that =), did he have any real ZvT's in that run though. I think he played against Coca and Miya or something and although Coca is good I think Gumiho just 2 raxed him
I don't understand why they didn't send in Leenock unless he is really uncomfortable with his ZvZ.
I wonder if Gumiho having that long game vs BboongBboong yesterday in Code A means he won't play today?
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 4 Score: 1-3 Tear vs Ragnarok Map: Ohana
0:00 Tear spawns in the bottom right Ragnarok spawns in the top left
1:45 Gateway first for Tear
2:00 Hatch first for Ragnarok Pool for Ragnarok Nexus for Tear
3:00 gas for Tear Cybernetics core for TEar
4:00 Forge for Tear
5:00 lings making their way across the map but Tear is walled off now 3rd base for Ragnarok +1 attack for Tear Raoch warren for Ragnarok
6:00 4 more gates for Tear
7:00 Roach production begins Twilight council for Tear evo chamber for Ragnarok forward pyon building +1 armor started for Tear
8:00 gateway force at the 3rd is easily repelled by lings and roaches Blink research started ling speed started robo started for Tear Lair started for Ragnarok
9:00 observer on the way for Rangarok Roach attack into the natural of Tear 3rd nexus started for Tear roaches back off +1 carapace started
10:00 Immortal production begins roach speed started infestation pit begins a bunch of roaches get caught off creep and killed +2 attack started for Tear
On October 12 2012 20:01 MangoMountain wrote: Just send gumiho and end this nonsense
The guy that lost 5-3 to Hyun in the IPL Fight Club?
Not that gumiho, I mean the gumiho that all-killed slayers
Fair enough I forgot about that =), did he have any real ZvT's in that run though. I think he played against Coca and Miya or something and although Coca is good I think Gumiho just 2 raxed him
I don't understand why they didn't send in Leenock unless he is really uncomfortable with his ZvZ.
I wonder if Gumiho having that long game vs BboongBboong yesterday in Code A means he won't play today?
quite obvious. Gumiho barely beat B4 yesterday (yeah B4 had the better first half of every game before he derped) while Symbol/Hyun is 46x better and Lagnalok is on steroid
Yeh I think you're right, I like the precise mathematics of exactly 46x better =) These TSL Zergs just keep impressing me.
On October 12 2012 20:01 MangoMountain wrote: Just send gumiho and end this nonsense
The guy that lost 5-3 to Hyun in the IPL Fight Club?
Not that gumiho, I mean the gumiho that all-killed slayers
Fair enough I forgot about that =), did he have any real ZvT's in that run though. I think he played against Coca and Miya or something and although Coca is good I think Gumiho just 2 raxed him
I don't understand why they didn't send in Leenock unless he is really uncomfortable with his ZvZ.
I wonder if Gumiho having that long game vs BboongBboong yesterday in Code A means he won't play today?
quite obvious. Gumiho barely beat B4 yesterday (yeah B4 had the better first half of every game before he derped) while Symbol/Hyun is 46x better and Lagnalok is on steroid
That's going a bit far. Gumiho still took 3 games of Hyun in a map-pool that includes metropolis and atlantis. His TvZ may be a bit gimmicky but it's still respectable.
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 4 Score: 1-3 Tear vs Ragnarok Map: Ohana
0:00 Tear spawns in the bottom right Ragnarok spawns in the top left
1:45 Gateway first for Tear
2:00 Hatch first for Ragnarok Pool for Ragnarok Nexus for Tear
3:00 gas for Tear Cybernetics core for TEar
4:00 Forge for Tear
5:00 lings making their way across the map but Tear is walled off now 3rd base for Ragnarok +1 attack for Tear Raoch warren for Ragnarok
6:00 4 more gates for Tear
7:00 Roach production begins Twilight council for Tear evo chamber for Ragnarok forward pyon building +1 armor started for Tear
8:00 gateway force at the 3rd is easily repelled by lings and roaches Blink research started ling speed started robo started for Tear Lair started for Ragnarok
9:00 observer on the way for Rangarok Roach attack into the natural of Tear 3rd nexus started for Tear roaches back off +1 carapace started
10:00 Immortal production begins roach speed started infestation pit begins a bunch of roaches get caught off creep and killed +2 attack started for Tear
11:00 Pathogen glands started Robotics support bay started for tear 4th started for Ragnarok on the left side of the map
12:00 Tear walling off part of his 3rd 2nd robo started for Tear Colossus production begins infestor production begins
13:00 Extended Thermal lance started Spire started Hallucination research begins for Tear Warp prism on the way for Tear 2nd evo chamber being built infested terran thrown down at the 3rd but cleaned up +1 melee attack started for Ragnarok more gateways being added on
14:00 Immortal and 2 sentries loaded into the warp prism Burrow research started 5th base started for Ragnarok on the right side of the map on the high ground Lings run into the main and target down a pylon powering 3 gates +3 attack started for Tear
15:00 Warp prism goes into the main forcefield on the main ramp Corruptors kill the warp prism Tear pushing the 4th base of Ragnarok all the colossi of tear falls Ragnarok saves the 4th base
I don't think they'll send Gumi out anyways because of Polt. Leenock seems like the best choice. But I do agree FXO have made some pretty weird decisions today. They're probably justified though.
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 4 Score: 1-3 Tear vs Ragnarok Map: Ohana
0:00 Tear spawns in the bottom right Ragnarok spawns in the top left
1:45 Gateway first for Tear
2:00 Hatch first for Ragnarok Pool for Ragnarok Nexus for Tear
3:00 gas for Tear Cybernetics core for TEar
4:00 Forge for Tear
5:00 lings making their way across the map but Tear is walled off now 3rd base for Ragnarok +1 attack for Tear Raoch warren for Ragnarok
6:00 4 more gates for Tear
7:00 Roach production begins Twilight council for Tear evo chamber for Ragnarok forward pyon building +1 armor started for Tear
8:00 gateway force at the 3rd is easily repelled by lings and roaches Blink research started ling speed started robo started for Tear Lair started for Ragnarok
9:00 observer on the way for Rangarok Roach attack into the natural of Tear 3rd nexus started for Tear roaches back off +1 carapace started
10:00 Immortal production begins roach speed started infestation pit begins a bunch of roaches get caught off creep and killed +2 attack started for Tear
11:00 Pathogen glands started Robotics support bay started for tear 4th started for Ragnarok on the left side of the map
12:00 Tear walling off part of his 3rd 2nd robo started for Tear Colossus production begins infestor production begins
13:00 Extended Thermal lance started Spire started Hallucination research begins for Tear Warp prism on the way for Tear 2nd evo chamber being built infested terran thrown down at the 3rd but cleaned up +1 melee attack started for Ragnarok more gateways being added on
14:00 Immortal and 2 sentries loaded into the warp prism Burrow research started 5th base started for Ragnarok on the right side of the map on the high ground Lings run into the main and target down a pylon powering 3 gates +3 attack started for Tear
15:00 Warp prism goes into the main forcefield on the main ramp Corruptors kill the warp prism Tear pushing the 4th base of Ragnarok all the colossi of tear falls Ragnarok saves the 4th base
16:00 Ragnarok counterattacks Tear's 4th base and is able to kill it Hive almost finished for Ragnarok warp prism building for Tear Charge started for Tear 4th base restarted for Tear
17:00 10 infestors are out for Ragnarok Ragnarok attacking into the natural and 3rd of Tear Tear loses all his colossi infested terran thrown into the 3rd base Ultralisk canvern started
18:00 Greater spire started zealot harass at the 4th of Ragnarok 2-2 started for Ragnarok Tear ggs Ragnarok gives TSL a 4-1 lead!
i dunno, whenever i watch pl i get the feeling that teams use their absolute best players and try to win at all costs, every gstl at least one ace player isnt used
On October 12 2012 20:28 Tsubbi wrote: no leenock for fxo?
i dunno, whenever i watch pl i get the feeling that teams use their absolute best players and try to win at all costs, every gstl at least one ace player isnt used
Well it's probably a concious decision. Maybe players are feeling a little off on that day and have requested someone else be sent out instead of them. It's a good way to give the lesser known players a little more exposure, which as demonstrated by LG_IM will definitely pay off in the long term.
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 6 Score: 1-4 GuMiho vs Ragnarok Map: Grand Lagoon
0:00 GuMiho spawns in the bottom left Ragnarok spawns in the top right
2:00 2 forward barracks from Gumiho on 12-14 Hatch first for Ragnarok overlord scout misses the forward rax drone scout finds it pool for Ragnarok
3:00 bunker started in the natural of Ragnarok drones are pulled to defend spinecrawler started in the natural
4:00 2nd and 3rd bunker started in the natural walling off the ramp 2nd spinecrawler started 3rd spine started
5:00 CC started for Gumiho bunker marine micro from gumiho to attack the spine 2nd spine is moved forward to hit the bunker 3rd spine moved forward gumiho target firing the hatchery transfuse on the hatch the hatch still dies 3rd CC started for Gumiho
6:00 first bunker killed gumiho salvages the to remaining bunkers double gas for Gumiho Marines come in because spine are all moved at once 1 spine falls lings push the marines out
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 6 Score: 1-4 GuMiho vs Ragnarok Map: Grand Lagoon
0:00 GuMiho spawns in the bottom left Ragnarok spawns in the top right
2:00 2 forward barracks from Gumiho on 12-14 Hatch first for Ragnarok overlord scout misses the forward rax drone scout finds it pool for Ragnarok
3:00 bunker started in the natural of Ragnarok drones are pulled to defend spinecrawler started in the natural
4:00 2nd and 3rd bunker started in the natural walling off the ramp 2nd spinecrawler started 3rd spine started
5:00 CC started for Gumiho bunker marine micro from gumiho to attack the spine 2nd spine is moved forward to hit the bunker 3rd spine moved forward gumiho target firing the hatchery transfuse on the hatch the hatch still dies 3rd CC started for Gumiho
6:00 first bunker killed gumiho salvages the to remaining bunkers double gas for Gumiho Marines come in because spine are all moved at once 1 spine falls lings push the marines out
7:00 ling speed started for Ragnarok 25 scvs vs 24 drones Factory started for Gumiho double ebay started Rax moved back to Gumiho's base
8:00 Roach warren started for Ragnarok 1-1 started for Gumiho tech lab on the factory overlord killed on the map supply blocking Ragnarok
9:00 siege mode research started siege tank production begins 3 rax wall off at the natural for Gumiho Roach production begins Baneling nest started
On October 12 2012 20:35 Krossfire wrote: duno why rag didnt see this coming
He did. But beginning a pro gamer, he tried cutting the most corners (pulling the minimum amount of drones) and he misjudged and couldn't kill the bunker.
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 6 Score: 1-4 GuMiho vs Ragnarok Map: Grand Lagoon
0:00 GuMiho spawns in the bottom left Ragnarok spawns in the top right
2:00 2 forward barracks from Gumiho on 12-14 Hatch first for Ragnarok overlord scout misses the forward rax drone scout finds it pool for Ragnarok
3:00 bunker started in the natural of Ragnarok drones are pulled to defend spinecrawler started in the natural
4:00 2nd and 3rd bunker started in the natural walling off the ramp 2nd spinecrawler started 3rd spine started
5:00 CC started for Gumiho bunker marine micro from gumiho to attack the spine 2nd spine is moved forward to hit the bunker 3rd spine moved forward gumiho target firing the hatchery transfuse on the hatch the hatch still dies 3rd CC started for Gumiho
6:00 first bunker killed gumiho salvages the to remaining bunkers double gas for Gumiho Marines come in because spine are all moved at once 1 spine falls lings push the marines out
7:00 ling speed started for Ragnarok 25 scvs vs 24 drones Factory started for Gumiho double ebay started Rax moved back to Gumiho's base
8:00 Roach warren started for Ragnarok 1-1 started for Gumiho tech lab on the factory overlord killed on the map supply blocking Ragnarok
9:00 siege mode research started siege tank production begins 3 rax wall off at the natural for Gumiho Roach production begins Baneling nest started
10:00 2nd siege tank is out armory started for Gumiho 2 more rax added on 17 banelings morphing for ragnarok stim research started 1-1 finishes for Gumiho
11:00 starport started for Gumiho bunkers going up for Gumiho in the natural siege tanks target firing the banelings the rax wall doesnt even fall all the banelings die
12:00 2-2 started for Gumiho Ragnarok down by 20 workers 4 tanks are out now double evo chamber started for Ragnarok 3rd base started for Ragnarok 2 more CCs started for Gumiho combat shields started for Gumiho 1-1 started for melee units for Ragnarok Gumiho pushing out of his base
13:00 medivac production begins 3rd base from ragnarok is forced to cancel Gumiho sieging the low ground by the main
14:00 medivacs ferrying marines into the main 3rd base of Gumiho is landed ragnarok tries to break gumiho's position everything dies gg! GuMiho denies the all kill!
Poor GuMiHo. He said in his interview yesterday that he's had a lot of pressure since his GSTL all-kill in the finals, and now he's being forced to do it again lol
Yeah, tiring out is stupid. Giving people a chance to go on a streak by slowly going from weak to stronger players is a huuuuge mistake. By now, everyone should know that streaks is the most important thing in the all-kill format.
On October 12 2012 20:42 Kasaraki wrote: Yeah, tiring out is stupid. Giving people a chance to go on a streak by slowly going from weak to stronger players is a huuuuge mistake. By now, everyone should know that streaks is the most important thing in the all-kill format.
Everyone should know that tiring out players doesn't work after Symbol reverse all-killed IM, that pretty much stomped that myth. It just gives people momentum to keep feeding them lesser players
On October 12 2012 20:42 Kasaraki wrote: Yeah, tiring out is stupid. Giving people a chance to go on a streak by slowly going from weak to stronger players is a huuuuge mistake. By now, everyone should know that streaks is the most important thing in the all-kill format.
Depends on the player, you can exhause some aces but gumiho is a player who will benefit from chewing on B-teamers.
On October 12 2012 20:39 Waxangel wrote: the game in which gumiho does generally dickish things
all good shine goona come out and stomp this nerd
why would they send shine when even center is good enough to stomp this gumibear nvm symbol is out
umad, gumibear is excellent
center is more excellent also gumibear is on my hate list for making the worst gstl finals
You mean best GSTL finals!
worst, aside from game 1, slayers just died out, also the reason why slayers is in a tough time atm, is becuz gumibear cursed Slayers, making them all sick.
On October 12 2012 20:39 Waxangel wrote: the game in which gumiho does generally dickish things
all good shine goona come out and stomp this nerd
why would they send shine when even center is good enough to stomp this gumibear nvm symbol is out
umad, gumibear is excellent
center is more excellent also gumibear is on my hate list for making the worst gstl finals
You mean best GSTL finals!
worst, aside from game 1, slayers just died out, also the reason why slayers is in a tough time atm, is becuz gumibear cursed Slayers, making them all sick.
On October 12 2012 20:39 Waxangel wrote: the game in which gumiho does generally dickish things
all good shine goona come out and stomp this nerd
why would they send shine when even center is good enough to stomp this gumibear nvm symbol is out
umad, gumibear is excellent
center is more excellent also gumibear is on my hate list for making the worst gstl finals
You mean best GSTL finals!
worst, aside from game 1, slayers just died out, also the reason why slayers is in a tough time atm, is becuz gumibear cursed Slayers, making them all sick.
How can you call this the worst final of GSTL when we had a gangnam style loop at the beggining ?!!!
On October 12 2012 20:39 Waxangel wrote: the game in which gumiho does generally dickish things
all good shine goona come out and stomp this nerd
why would they send shine when even center is good enough to stomp this gumibear nvm symbol is out
umad, gumibear is excellent
center is more excellent also gumibear is on my hate list for making the worst gstl finals
You mean best GSTL finals!
worst, aside from game 1, slayers just died out, also the reason why slayers is in a tough time atm, is becuz gumibear cursed Slayers, making them all sick.
On October 12 2012 20:42 Kasaraki wrote: Yeah, tiring out is stupid. Giving people a chance to go on a streak by slowly going from weak to stronger players is a huuuuge mistake. By now, everyone should know that streaks is the most important thing in the all-kill format.
Everyone should know that tiring out players doesn't work after Symbol reverse all-killed IM, that pretty much stomped that myth. It just gives people momentum to keep feeding them lesser players
Most times when you see someone try to "tire" someone out, is really just looking at the games to try to find a weakness, for example right now I wouldn't be suprised for it to be symbol (to make gumiho show his entire game), shine then hyun with hyun looking specifically for holes in gumiho's play.
On October 12 2012 20:54 DarkLordOlli wrote: Damnit Symbol, why so greedy.
Maybe he wants to see a repeat of the GSTL finals? :D
TSL were unimpressed by slayers getting owned by gumiho from the start, they'll get owned by gumiho on the verge of victory to prove their superiority in losing to gumiho.
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 7 Score: 2-4 GuMiho vs Symbol Map: Whirlwind
0:00 GuMiho spawns in the top left Symbol spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Hatch first for Symbol CC first on the high ground for Gumiho drone scout from Symbol sees Gumiho's CC first gas for Gumiho
3:00 rax for Gumiho 3rd Hatch for Symbol Pool for Symbol gas for Symbol
4:00 drone scout kills an scv 2nd scv kills the drone scout factory for Gumiho 2nd gas for gumiho reactor started for Gumiho
5:00 ling speed started for Symbol Starport for Gumiho reactored hellion production begins for Gumiho tech lab on the barracks
6:00 starport moved to tech lab cloak and banshee begins hellions scout the 3rd of Symbol but no drones are there yet
7:00 Baneling nest for Symbol double evo chamber for Symbol
8:00 lings run into the natural of Gumiho but hellions clean up most of them spores going up in the mineral line of the natural the first banshee hits the 3rd spores building in all mineral lines now 1-1 started for Symbol's melee Raven started for Gumiho 5 drones killed
9:00 3rd CC started for Gumiho Lair started for Symbol Roach warren on the way for Symbol hellions kill a bunch of drones transferring from the natural to the 3rd
10:00 banshees and hellions attacking at the 3rd 2 queens all lings are able to chase the hellions off creep infestation pit started
11:00 2 more factories for Gumiho double armory for Gumiho Burrow started for Symbol Pathogen glands started for Symbol Baneling speed started Macro hatch started Symbol scouts mech with an overseer Roach speed started 2-2 melee carapace started for Symbol
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 7 Score: 2-4 GuMiho vs Symbol Map: Whirlwind
0:00 GuMiho spawns in the top left Symbol spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Hatch first for Symbol CC first on the high ground for Gumiho drone scout from Symbol sees Gumiho's CC first gas for Gumiho
3:00 rax for Gumiho 3rd Hatch for Symbol Pool for Symbol gas for Symbol
4:00 drone scout kills an scv 2nd scv kills the drone scout factory for Gumiho 2nd gas for gumiho reactor started for Gumiho
5:00 ling speed started for Symbol Starport for Gumiho reactored hellion production begins for Gumiho tech lab on the barracks
6:00 starport moved to tech lab cloak and banshee begins hellions scout the 3rd of Symbol but no drones are there yet
7:00 Baneling nest for Symbol double evo chamber for Symbol
8:00 lings run into the natural of Gumiho but hellions clean up most of them spores going up in the mineral line of the natural the first banshee hits the 3rd spores building in all mineral lines now 1-1 started for Symbol's melee Raven started for Gumiho 5 drones killed
9:00 3rd CC started for Gumiho Lair started for Symbol Roach warren on the way for Symbol hellions kill a bunch of drones transferring from the natural to the 3rd
10:00 banshees and hellions attacking at the 3rd 2 queens all lings are able to chase the hellions off creep infestation pit started
11:00 2 more factories for Gumiho double armory for Gumiho Burrow started for Symbol Pathogen glands started for Symbol Baneling speed started Macro hatch started Symbol scouts mech with an overseer Roach speed started 2-2 melee carapace started for Symbol
12:00 ebay for Gumiho 1-1 vehicle upgrades started for Gumiho Raven and hellions kill off lots of creep tumors hellions pushing into the 3rd of Symbol but banelings scare them off infestor production begins
13:00 Thor production begins 4th base started for Symbol 4th CC started for Gumiho
14:00 Hive started for Symbol Spire started for Symbol 4th Factory for Gumiho siege tank production begins
15:00 fungals catch a bunch of hellions and banelings kill them Hive is finishing Banshees are picking away at roaches mid map 5th CC started for Gumiho
16:00 Greater spire started 3-3 started for Symbol 2-2 started for Gumiho 3 banshees attacking the 4th of Symbol Blue flame research started
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 7 Score: 2-4 GuMiho vs Symbol Map: Whirlwind
0:00 GuMiho spawns in the top left Symbol spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Hatch first for Symbol CC first on the high ground for Gumiho drone scout from Symbol sees Gumiho's CC first gas for Gumiho
3:00 rax for Gumiho 3rd Hatch for Symbol Pool for Symbol gas for Symbol
4:00 drone scout kills an scv 2nd scv kills the drone scout factory for Gumiho 2nd gas for gumiho reactor started for Gumiho
5:00 ling speed started for Symbol Starport for Gumiho reactored hellion production begins for Gumiho tech lab on the barracks
6:00 starport moved to tech lab cloak and banshee begins hellions scout the 3rd of Symbol but no drones are there yet
7:00 Baneling nest for Symbol double evo chamber for Symbol
8:00 lings run into the natural of Gumiho but hellions clean up most of them spores going up in the mineral line of the natural the first banshee hits the 3rd spores building in all mineral lines now 1-1 started for Symbol's melee Raven started for Gumiho 5 drones killed
9:00 3rd CC started for Gumiho Lair started for Symbol Roach warren on the way for Symbol hellions kill a bunch of drones transferring from the natural to the 3rd
10:00 banshees and hellions attacking at the 3rd 2 queens all lings are able to chase the hellions off creep infestation pit started
11:00 2 more factories for Gumiho double armory for Gumiho Burrow started for Symbol Pathogen glands started for Symbol Baneling speed started Macro hatch started Symbol scouts mech with an overseer Roach speed started 2-2 melee carapace started for Symbol
12:00 ebay for Gumiho 1-1 vehicle upgrades started for Gumiho Raven and hellions kill off lots of creep tumors hellions pushing into the 3rd of Symbol but banelings scare them off infestor production begins
13:00 Thor production begins 4th base started for Symbol 4th CC started for Gumiho
14:00 Hive started for Symbol Spire started for Symbol 4th Factory for Gumiho siege tank production begins
15:00 fungals catch a bunch of hellions and banelings kill them Hive is finishing Banshees are picking away at roaches mid map 5th CC started for Gumiho
16:00 Greater spire started 3-3 started for Symbol 2-2 started for Gumiho 3 banshees attacking the 4th of Symbol Blue flame research started
17:00 4th of Symbol falls Greater spire finishes High Sec autotracking started +1 flier attacks started Gumiho adding on 3 starports
18:00 6 banshees in the main target down the greater spire Symbol counterattacking siege mode started spire restarted infested terran all thrown down banshees targeting down the hive Lair restarted at the 3rd Corruptors trying to kill the banshees
19:00 The Hive falls Gumiho loses all his thors to lings and infested terrans 2-2 finishes for Gumiho 5th factory added on hellions run into the natural
20:00 infested terran harass at the planetary of Gumiho but repair saves it Roaches come in to attack the panetary building armor research started +3 mech weapons started for Gumiho Gumiho saves the planetary with repair 5th base planetary morphing for Gumiho
21:00 symbol double expanding across the bottom of the map +1 range for Symbol overlord speed for Symbol 2nd Hive is almost finished +3 mech armor for gumiho
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 7 Score: 2-4 GuMiho vs Symbol Map: Whirlwind
0:00 GuMiho spawns in the top left Symbol spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Hatch first for Symbol CC first on the high ground for Gumiho drone scout from Symbol sees Gumiho's CC first gas for Gumiho
3:00 rax for Gumiho 3rd Hatch for Symbol Pool for Symbol gas for Symbol
4:00 drone scout kills an scv 2nd scv kills the drone scout factory for Gumiho 2nd gas for gumiho reactor started for Gumiho
5:00 ling speed started for Symbol Starport for Gumiho reactored hellion production begins for Gumiho tech lab on the barracks
6:00 starport moved to tech lab cloak and banshee begins hellions scout the 3rd of Symbol but no drones are there yet
7:00 Baneling nest for Symbol double evo chamber for Symbol
8:00 lings run into the natural of Gumiho but hellions clean up most of them spores going up in the mineral line of the natural the first banshee hits the 3rd spores building in all mineral lines now 1-1 started for Symbol's melee Raven started for Gumiho 5 drones killed
9:00 3rd CC started for Gumiho Lair started for Symbol Roach warren on the way for Symbol hellions kill a bunch of drones transferring from the natural to the 3rd
10:00 banshees and hellions attacking at the 3rd 2 queens all lings are able to chase the hellions off creep infestation pit started
11:00 2 more factories for Gumiho double armory for Gumiho Burrow started for Symbol Pathogen glands started for Symbol Baneling speed started Macro hatch started Symbol scouts mech with an overseer Roach speed started 2-2 melee carapace started for Symbol
12:00 ebay for Gumiho 1-1 vehicle upgrades started for Gumiho Raven and hellions kill off lots of creep tumors hellions pushing into the 3rd of Symbol but banelings scare them off infestor production begins
13:00 Thor production begins 4th base started for Symbol 4th CC started for Gumiho
14:00 Hive started for Symbol Spire started for Symbol 4th Factory for Gumiho siege tank production begins
15:00 fungals catch a bunch of hellions and banelings kill them Hive is finishing Banshees are picking away at roaches mid map 5th CC started for Gumiho
16:00 Greater spire started 3-3 started for Symbol 2-2 started for Gumiho 3 banshees attacking the 4th of Symbol Blue flame research started
17:00 4th of Symbol falls Greater spire finishes High Sec autotracking started +1 flier attacks started Gumiho adding on 3 starports
18:00 6 banshees in the main target down the greater spire Symbol counterattacking siege mode started spire restarted infested terran all thrown down banshees targeting down the hive Lair restarted at the 3rd Corruptors trying to kill the banshees
19:00 The Hive falls Gumiho loses all his thors to lings and infested terrans 2-2 finishes for Gumiho 5th factory added on hellions run into the natural
20:00 infested terran harass at the planetary of Gumiho but repair saves it Roaches come in to attack the panetary building armor research started +3 mech weapons started for Gumiho Gumiho saves the planetary with repair 5th base planetary morphing for Gumiho
21:00 symbol double expanding across the bottom of the map +1 range for Symbol overlord speed for Symbol 2nd Hive is almost finished +3 mech armor for gumiho
22:00 16 infestors out for Symbol Greater spire started 3 banshees come into the main and start targetting the infestation pit infestors and corruptors kill the banshees
23:00 Hellions kill the gas mining drones at Symbol's 4th the hellions are killed by lings +2 missile attack started for Symbol Raven on the way for Gumiho 2nd spire for Symbol ling runby at the 5th base planetary lings are able to kill the planetary
24:00 9 brood lords morphing +1 air armor started for Symbol Thors killing the bottom 2 bases of Symbol another CC started for Gumiho but cancelled by a ling runby
25:00 Brood lords sieging up the planetary 3rd of Gumiho Brood lords kill everything lings killing the 4th base the planetary falls viking production started Banshees attacking the main but cloak energy runs out
26:00 the mech army returns home but Brood lords returned home to defend the 3rd only 20 scvs left for Gumiho +1 ship weapons started for Gumiho
On October 12 2012 21:08 Fusilero wrote: From what I can gather a great game is going on and GOM player just isn't working now is this how MCday feels all the time?
On October 12 2012 21:11 snafoo wrote: losing his whole army in the midgame when he didnt have siege mode really wasn't worth it tbh, made it so he couldn't really pressure at all.
Yeh sniping the greater spire and hive did not synergise with his attack.
On October 12 2012 21:10 Azzur wrote: What a ridiculous game lol
I don't want to say too much about BLs/infestor
You shouldn't say anything, gumiho forgot siege when going mech and lost his entire army. Everything that happened after that is gonna be colored by something like that, you don't just rebuild mech armies
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 7 Score: 2-4 GuMiho vs Symbol Map: Whirlwind
0:00 GuMiho spawns in the top left Symbol spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Hatch first for Symbol CC first on the high ground for Gumiho drone scout from Symbol sees Gumiho's CC first gas for Gumiho
3:00 rax for Gumiho 3rd Hatch for Symbol Pool for Symbol gas for Symbol
4:00 drone scout kills an scv 2nd scv kills the drone scout factory for Gumiho 2nd gas for gumiho reactor started for Gumiho
5:00 ling speed started for Symbol Starport for Gumiho reactored hellion production begins for Gumiho tech lab on the barracks
6:00 starport moved to tech lab cloak and banshee begins hellions scout the 3rd of Symbol but no drones are there yet
7:00 Baneling nest for Symbol double evo chamber for Symbol
8:00 lings run into the natural of Gumiho but hellions clean up most of them spores going up in the mineral line of the natural the first banshee hits the 3rd spores building in all mineral lines now 1-1 started for Symbol's melee Raven started for Gumiho 5 drones killed
9:00 3rd CC started for Gumiho Lair started for Symbol Roach warren on the way for Symbol hellions kill a bunch of drones transferring from the natural to the 3rd
10:00 banshees and hellions attacking at the 3rd 2 queens all lings are able to chase the hellions off creep infestation pit started
11:00 2 more factories for Gumiho double armory for Gumiho Burrow started for Symbol Pathogen glands started for Symbol Baneling speed started Macro hatch started Symbol scouts mech with an overseer Roach speed started 2-2 melee carapace started for Symbol
12:00 ebay for Gumiho 1-1 vehicle upgrades started for Gumiho Raven and hellions kill off lots of creep tumors hellions pushing into the 3rd of Symbol but banelings scare them off infestor production begins
13:00 Thor production begins 4th base started for Symbol 4th CC started for Gumiho
14:00 Hive started for Symbol Spire started for Symbol 4th Factory for Gumiho siege tank production begins
15:00 fungals catch a bunch of hellions and banelings kill them Hive is finishing Banshees are picking away at roaches mid map 5th CC started for Gumiho
16:00 Greater spire started 3-3 started for Symbol 2-2 started for Gumiho 3 banshees attacking the 4th of Symbol Blue flame research started
17:00 4th of Symbol falls Greater spire finishes High Sec autotracking started +1 flier attacks started Gumiho adding on 3 starports
18:00 6 banshees in the main target down the greater spire Symbol counterattacking siege mode started spire restarted infested terran all thrown down banshees targeting down the hive Lair restarted at the 3rd Corruptors trying to kill the banshees
19:00 The Hive falls Gumiho loses all his thors to lings and infested terrans 2-2 finishes for Gumiho 5th factory added on hellions run into the natural
20:00 infested terran harass at the planetary of Gumiho but repair saves it Roaches come in to attack the panetary building armor research started +3 mech weapons started for Gumiho Gumiho saves the planetary with repair 5th base planetary morphing for Gumiho
21:00 symbol double expanding across the bottom of the map +1 range for Symbol overlord speed for Symbol 2nd Hive is almost finished +3 mech armor for gumiho
22:00 16 infestors out for Symbol Greater spire started 3 banshees come into the main and start targetting the infestation pit infestors and corruptors kill the banshees
23:00 Hellions kill the gas mining drones at Symbol's 4th the hellions are killed by lings +2 missile attack started for Symbol Raven on the way for Gumiho 2nd spire for Symbol ling runby at the 5th base planetary lings are able to kill the planetary
24:00 9 brood lords morphing +1 air armor started for Symbol Thors killing the bottom 2 bases of Symbol another CC started for Gumiho but cancelled by a ling runby
25:00 Brood lords sieging up the planetary 3rd of Gumiho Brood lords kill everything lings killing the 4th base the planetary falls viking production started Banshees attacking the main but cloak energy runs out
26:00 the mech army returns home but Brood lords returned home to defend the 3rd only 20 scvs left for Gumiho +1 ship weapons started for Gumiho
27:00 neural parasite research begins 20 scvs vs 45 drones 3 more brood lords morphing another base taken by symbol 3 banshees in the main sporecrawlers moving around to defend
28:00 vikings attacking the brood lords infested terran thrown down to defend mech army pushing into the new base of Symbol Symbol is able to defend vikings all die fungal lands on the mech army brood lords are catching up next wave of vikings arriving
29:00 ling blocks an orbital from landing a lot of Gumiho's mech army dies Gumiho sub 80 supply Gumiho has almost no mining left
30:00 6 more infestors coming out -- 21 infestors on the map for Symbol Gumiho pulls all his scvs Gumiho attacking into the mining base of Symbol the queens die
31:00 infested terran going down on gumiho's army 120 supply vs 50 supply in favor of symbol Gumiho's army is cleaned up Random thor killing the hive of Symbol
32:00 Symbol tripling Gumiho's supply the last thor for Gumiho dies more brood lords morphing in Gumiho floats another orbital out
33:00 hellions from gumiho get fungaled and killed 37 supply vs 120 supply 20 mules dropped at the top right base for Gumiho
34:00 Symbol pushing into the bases of Gumiho Hellions drive into the mining base of Symbol fungals catch them all the hellions die Gumiho trying to reproduce SCVs
35:00 another CC started for Gumiho 10 hellions being built Lings find the mining base of Gumiho but a thor blocks the ramp
well FXO is a much easier team for prime to face than TSL, so prime should win IF they win fnatic, which unless zerosc2 channels his inner godliness in him, will be easily in primes favor
GSTL Season 3 2012 FXO vs TSL Game 7 Score: 2-4 GuMiho vs Symbol Map: Whirlwind
0:00 GuMiho spawns in the top left Symbol spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Hatch first for Symbol CC first on the high ground for Gumiho drone scout from Symbol sees Gumiho's CC first gas for Gumiho
3:00 rax for Gumiho 3rd Hatch for Symbol Pool for Symbol gas for Symbol
4:00 drone scout kills an scv 2nd scv kills the drone scout factory for Gumiho 2nd gas for gumiho reactor started for Gumiho
5:00 ling speed started for Symbol Starport for Gumiho reactored hellion production begins for Gumiho tech lab on the barracks
6:00 starport moved to tech lab cloak and banshee begins hellions scout the 3rd of Symbol but no drones are there yet
7:00 Baneling nest for Symbol double evo chamber for Symbol
8:00 lings run into the natural of Gumiho but hellions clean up most of them spores going up in the mineral line of the natural the first banshee hits the 3rd spores building in all mineral lines now 1-1 started for Symbol's melee Raven started for Gumiho 5 drones killed
9:00 3rd CC started for Gumiho Lair started for Symbol Roach warren on the way for Symbol hellions kill a bunch of drones transferring from the natural to the 3rd
10:00 banshees and hellions attacking at the 3rd 2 queens all lings are able to chase the hellions off creep infestation pit started
11:00 2 more factories for Gumiho double armory for Gumiho Burrow started for Symbol Pathogen glands started for Symbol Baneling speed started Macro hatch started Symbol scouts mech with an overseer Roach speed started 2-2 melee carapace started for Symbol
12:00 ebay for Gumiho 1-1 vehicle upgrades started for Gumiho Raven and hellions kill off lots of creep tumors hellions pushing into the 3rd of Symbol but banelings scare them off infestor production begins
13:00 Thor production begins 4th base started for Symbol 4th CC started for Gumiho
14:00 Hive started for Symbol Spire started for Symbol 4th Factory for Gumiho siege tank production begins
15:00 fungals catch a bunch of hellions and banelings kill them Hive is finishing Banshees are picking away at roaches mid map 5th CC started for Gumiho
16:00 Greater spire started 3-3 started for Symbol 2-2 started for Gumiho 3 banshees attacking the 4th of Symbol Blue flame research started
17:00 4th of Symbol falls Greater spire finishes High Sec autotracking started +1 flier attacks started Gumiho adding on 3 starports
18:00 6 banshees in the main target down the greater spire Symbol counterattacking siege mode started spire restarted infested terran all thrown down banshees targeting down the hive Lair restarted at the 3rd Corruptors trying to kill the banshees
19:00 The Hive falls Gumiho loses all his thors to lings and infested terrans 2-2 finishes for Gumiho 5th factory added on hellions run into the natural
20:00 infested terran harass at the planetary of Gumiho but repair saves it Roaches come in to attack the panetary building armor research started +3 mech weapons started for Gumiho Gumiho saves the planetary with repair 5th base planetary morphing for Gumiho
21:00 symbol double expanding across the bottom of the map +1 range for Symbol overlord speed for Symbol 2nd Hive is almost finished +3 mech armor for gumiho
22:00 16 infestors out for Symbol Greater spire started 3 banshees come into the main and start targetting the infestation pit infestors and corruptors kill the banshees
23:00 Hellions kill the gas mining drones at Symbol's 4th the hellions are killed by lings +2 missile attack started for Symbol Raven on the way for Gumiho 2nd spire for Symbol ling runby at the 5th base planetary lings are able to kill the planetary
24:00 9 brood lords morphing +1 air armor started for Symbol Thors killing the bottom 2 bases of Symbol another CC started for Gumiho but cancelled by a ling runby
25:00 Brood lords sieging up the planetary 3rd of Gumiho Brood lords kill everything lings killing the 4th base the planetary falls viking production started Banshees attacking the main but cloak energy runs out
26:00 the mech army returns home but Brood lords returned home to defend the 3rd only 20 scvs left for Gumiho +1 ship weapons started for Gumiho
27:00 neural parasite research begins 20 scvs vs 45 drones 3 more brood lords morphing another base taken by symbol 3 banshees in the main sporecrawlers moving around to defend
28:00 vikings attacking the brood lords infested terran thrown down to defend mech army pushing into the new base of Symbol Symbol is able to defend vikings all die fungal lands on the mech army brood lords are catching up next wave of vikings arriving
29:00 ling blocks an orbital from landing a lot of Gumiho's mech army dies Gumiho sub 80 supply Gumiho has almost no mining left
30:00 6 more infestors coming out -- 21 infestors on the map for Symbol Gumiho pulls all his scvs Gumiho attacking into the mining base of Symbol the queens die
31:00 infested terran going down on gumiho's army 120 supply vs 50 supply in favor of symbol Gumiho's army is cleaned up Random thor killing the hive of Symbol
32:00 Symbol tripling Gumiho's supply the last thor for Gumiho dies more brood lords morphing in Gumiho floats another orbital out
33:00 hellions from gumiho get fungaled and killed 37 supply vs 120 supply 20 mules dropped at the top right base for Gumiho
34:00 Symbol pushing into the bases of Gumiho Hellions drive into the mining base of Symbol fungals catch them all the hellions die Gumiho trying to reproduce SCVs
35:00 another CC started for Gumiho 10 hellions being built Lings find the mining base of Gumiho but a thor blocks the ramp
36:00 Symbol kills all the hellions Symbol pushing into Gumiho's natural and production infested terran all thrown down factories and CC are lifting off in the natural banelings into the mining base of Gumiho
37:00 Symbol attacking into the main of Gumiho Gumiho is losing all of his factories Thors in the back of the base are trying to fight neural parasite on all the thors the thors from Gumiho fall
38:00 Hellions actually pick off Symbol's Hive Gumiho saves his mining base all the production buildings are lifted off 94 vs 36 supply in favor of symbol lings running into the mining base of gumiho mules try to repair the thor the thor falls Gumiho ggs Symbol wins the game to give TSL the 5-2 victory!
On October 12 2012 21:10 Azzur wrote: What a ridiculous game lol
I don't want to say too much about BLs/infestor
You shouldn't say anything, gumiho forgot siege when going mech and lost his entire army. Everything that happened after that is gonna be colored by something like that, you don't just rebuild mech armies
and symbol defended poorly against banshees, had his tech reset, was on 1-2 mining bases less than gumiho. Whatever, we all know infested terrans and broodlings are ridiculous when both players are low on mining and armys are not maxed.
On October 12 2012 21:13 Shadowelock wrote: Gumiho played so much better than Symbol, too bad it doesn't matter when facing a Zerg.
no matter how good you are, you dont win with mech when you lose the first engagement, and furthermore you dont win vs zerg end game unless you are MVP
On October 12 2012 21:13 Shadowelock wrote: Gumiho played so much better than Symbol, too bad it doesn't matter when facing a Zerg.
no matter how good you are, you dont win with mech when you lose the first engagement, and furthermore you dont win vs zerg end game unless you are MVP
On October 12 2012 21:10 Azzur wrote: What a ridiculous game lol
I don't want to say too much about BLs/infestor
You shouldn't say anything, gumiho forgot siege when going mech and lost his entire army. Everything that happened after that is gonna be colored by something like that, you don't just rebuild mech armies
and symbol defended poorly against banshees, had his tech reset, was on 1-2 mining bases less than gumiho. Whatever, we all know infested terrans and broodlings are ridiculous when both players are low on mining and armys are not maxed.
Yeah but given the amount of banshees that gumiho went through, it's alot of resource that don't shoot air. Also don't really think Symbol lost many drones to hellions - Gumiho didn't really do any runbys afaik - considering it was vs mech where losing 40+ is pretty typical really.
Anyway. Gumiho losing his entire army when Symbol lost his hive was pretty big, and basically the turn point of the game.
On October 12 2012 21:17 Surili wrote: broodlords and infestors ruin this game... buff lair tech zerg and nerf hive tech zerg. Do something.
Nah, they just need to make ghosts slightly better vs t3 zerg (not as good as pre snipe nerf of course). Sure, ghosts are great vs infestors with EMPs but it has such high risk since your ghosts have to be in the front line.
On October 12 2012 21:22 Chill Penguin wrote: It seems that if you don't have 4/5 ravens with HSM in your mech composition, it's almost impossible to deal with zergs endgame army.
Seemed Like Gumiho made some critical errors, his army was out of position many times, he forgot siege tech and his composition wasn't ideal. I feel that symbol didn't play brilliantly but it wasn't like gumiho played masterfully. Gumiho made the biggest mistakes and therefore he lost.
People saying "infestors are good" or "zerg is imba" just don't have a very good understanding of the game.
On October 12 2012 21:17 Surili wrote: broodlords and infestors ruin this game... buff lair tech zerg and nerf hive tech zerg. Do something.
Nah, they just need to make ghosts slightly better vs t3 zerg (not as good as pre snipe nerf of course). Sure, ghosts are great vs infestors with EMPs but it has such high risk since your ghosts have to be in the front line.
I am talking from the perspective of a Protoss player. I used to love watching TvZ and now i just don't, and the same is true of PvZ. I am not saying it is imbalanced, i am saying it is boring.
On October 12 2012 21:22 Chill Penguin wrote: It seems that if you don't have 4/5 ravens with HSM in your mech composition, it's almost impossible to deal with zergs endgame army.
Seemed Like Gumiho made some critical errors, his army was out of position many times, he forgot siege tech and his composition wasn't ideal. I feel that symbol didn't play brilliantly but it wasn't like gumiho played masterfully. Gumiho made the biggest mistakes and therefore he lost.
People saying "infestors are good" or "zerg is imba" just don't have a very good understanding of the game.
a lot of people who do have a very good understanding of the game do say that, but yeah ;p don't want to get into too much debate. sad that gumi lost, he did make the crucial error with losing his army when he sniped the hive and greater spire
Thanks for the LRs as always. Now on to downloading kpop, play it and go ladder. HerO's 4gate robo in PvZ with warp prism is ridiculously fun. See y'all!
On October 12 2012 21:22 Chill Penguin wrote: It seems that if you don't have 4/5 ravens with HSM in your mech composition, it's almost impossible to deal with zergs endgame army.
Seemed Like Gumiho made some critical errors, his army was out of position many times, he forgot siege tech and his composition wasn't ideal. I feel that symbol didn't play brilliantly but it wasn't like gumiho played masterfully. Gumiho made the biggest mistakes and therefore he lost.
People saying "infestors are good" or "zerg is imba" just don't have a very good understanding of the game.
a lot of people who do have a very good understanding of the game do say that, but yeah ;p don't want to get into too much debate. sad that gumi lost, he did make the crucial error with losing his army when he sniped the hive and greater spire
It just bugs me that as soon as a terran loses everyone just screams that infestors are overpowered. It doesn't make any sense and a lot of diamond terrans just shout imbalanced to make up for the fact that they aren't playing very well
On October 12 2012 21:22 Chill Penguin wrote: It seems that if you don't have 4/5 ravens with HSM in your mech composition, it's almost impossible to deal with zergs endgame army.
Seemed Like Gumiho made some critical errors, his army was out of position many times, he forgot siege tech and his composition wasn't ideal. I feel that symbol didn't play brilliantly but it wasn't like gumiho played masterfully. Gumiho made the biggest mistakes and therefore he lost.
People saying "infestors are good" or "zerg is imba" just don't have a very good understanding of the game.
a lot of people who do have a very good understanding of the game do say that, but yeah ;p don't want to get into too much debate. sad that gumi lost, he did make the crucial error with losing his army when he sniped the hive and greater spire
It just bugs me that as soon as a terran loses everyone just screams that infestors are overpowered. It doesn't make any sense and a lot of diamond terrans just shout imbalanced to make up for the fact that they aren't playing very well
i don't think they're actually that overpowered, it's just that they're not very fun to watch haha
On October 12 2012 21:22 Chill Penguin wrote: It seems that if you don't have 4/5 ravens with HSM in your mech composition, it's almost impossible to deal with zergs endgame army.
Seemed Like Gumiho made some critical errors, his army was out of position many times, he forgot siege tech and his composition wasn't ideal. I feel that symbol didn't play brilliantly but it wasn't like gumiho played masterfully. Gumiho made the biggest mistakes and therefore he lost.
People saying "infestors are good" or "zerg is imba" just don't have a very good understanding of the game.
a lot of people who do have a very good understanding of the game do say that, but yeah ;p don't want to get into too much debate. sad that gumi lost, he did make the crucial error with losing his army when he sniped the hive and greater spire
It just bugs me that as soon as a terran loses everyone just screams that infestors are overpowered. It doesn't make any sense and a lot of diamond terrans just shout imbalanced to make up for the fact that they aren't playing very well
zerg imbalance in the late game in some extent is true if both players play perfectly zerg wins in late game, but this is countered from terran having easier time before late game
On October 12 2012 21:22 Chill Penguin wrote: It seems that if you don't have 4/5 ravens with HSM in your mech composition, it's almost impossible to deal with zergs endgame army.
Seemed Like Gumiho made some critical errors, his army was out of position many times, he forgot siege tech and his composition wasn't ideal. I feel that symbol didn't play brilliantly but it wasn't like gumiho played masterfully. Gumiho made the biggest mistakes and therefore he lost.
People saying "infestors are good" or "zerg is imba" just don't have a very good understanding of the game.
a lot of people who do have a very good understanding of the game do say that, but yeah ;p don't want to get into too much debate. sad that gumi lost, he did make the crucial error with losing his army when he sniped the hive and greater spire
It just bugs me that as soon as a terran loses everyone just screams that infestors are overpowered. It doesn't make any sense and a lot of diamond terrans just shout imbalanced to make up for the fact that they aren't playing very well
Actually I think everybody cries about zerg all the times, they're just busy watching the games and then all cry at once, that's why it seems like that. But hey, I'm one of them, I too think zerg lategame is too strong.
anyway guys, just letting you know i most likely won't be able to make any LR threads for the rest of the month, my apologies! (not even OSL/GSL finals zzz)
On October 12 2012 21:37 opterown wrote: anyway guys, just letting you know i most likely won't be able to make any LR threads for the rest of the month, my apologies! (not even OSL/GSL finals zzz)
On October 12 2012 21:22 Chill Penguin wrote: It seems that if you don't have 4/5 ravens with HSM in your mech composition, it's almost impossible to deal with zergs endgame army.
Seemed Like Gumiho made some critical errors, his army was out of position many times, he forgot siege tech and his composition wasn't ideal. I feel that symbol didn't play brilliantly but it wasn't like gumiho played masterfully. Gumiho made the biggest mistakes and therefore he lost.
People saying "infestors are good" or "zerg is imba" just don't have a very good understanding of the game.
a lot of people who do have a very good understanding of the game do say that, but yeah ;p don't want to get into too much debate. sad that gumi lost, he did make the crucial error with losing his army when he sniped the hive and greater spire
It just bugs me that as soon as a terran loses everyone just screams that infestors are overpowered. It doesn't make any sense and a lot of diamond terrans just shout imbalanced to make up for the fact that they aren't playing very well
zerg imbalance in the late game in some extent is true if both players play perfectly zerg wins in late game, but this is countered from terran having easier time before late game
True. But most maps has been catering to late game. 3 bases is a given unless someone does an all-in. And even fourths are pretty easy to defend. Funny thing is, I think terrans actually have a slight advantage in the 'super' late game if they can turtle on 5 bases ala Metropolis.
On October 12 2012 21:37 opterown wrote: anyway guys, just letting you know i most likely won't be able to make any LR threads for the rest of the month, my apologies! (not even OSL/GSL finals zzz)
At your cap again? Thank you very much for all the work you always put into these threads!
On October 12 2012 21:37 opterown wrote: anyway guys, just letting you know i most likely won't be able to make any LR threads for the rest of the month, my apologies! (not even OSL/GSL finals zzz)
At your cap again? Thank you very much for all the work you always put into these threads!
not quite yet, but i will be soon, plus both my saturdays are occupied (the GSL/OSL finals) so T_T. i actually did the LR for GSTL finals last time while being capped haha (just followed the LR to know what happening)
i can still help with premaking threads, etc, but someone else can man them :D thanks everyone
On October 12 2012 21:22 Chill Penguin wrote: It seems that if you don't have 4/5 ravens with HSM in your mech composition, it's almost impossible to deal with zergs endgame army.
Seemed Like Gumiho made some critical errors, his army was out of position many times, he forgot siege tech and his composition wasn't ideal. I feel that symbol didn't play brilliantly but it wasn't like gumiho played masterfully. Gumiho made the biggest mistakes and therefore he lost.
People saying "infestors are good" or "zerg is imba" just don't have a very good understanding of the game.
a lot of people who do have a very good understanding of the game do say that, but yeah ;p don't want to get into too much debate. sad that gumi lost, he did make the crucial error with losing his army when he sniped the hive and greater spire
It just bugs me that as soon as a terran loses everyone just screams that infestors are overpowered. It doesn't make any sense and a lot of diamond terrans just shout imbalanced to make up for the fact that they aren't playing very well
zerg imbalance in the late game in some extent is true if both players play perfectly zerg wins in late game, but this is countered from terran having easier time before late game
True. But most maps has been catering to late game. 3 bases is a given unless someone does an all-in. And even fourths are pretty easy to defend. Funny thing is, I think terrans actually have a slight advantage in the 'super' late game if they can turtle on 5 bases ala Metropolis.
terrans definitly have an advantage when mass raven thor viking with PFs are existent, but it almost never happens anyway
On October 12 2012 21:22 Chill Penguin wrote: It seems that if you don't have 4/5 ravens with HSM in your mech composition, it's almost impossible to deal with zergs endgame army.
Seemed Like Gumiho made some critical errors, his army was out of position many times, he forgot siege tech and his composition wasn't ideal. I feel that symbol didn't play brilliantly but it wasn't like gumiho played masterfully. Gumiho made the biggest mistakes and therefore he lost.
People saying "infestors are good" or "zerg is imba" just don't have a very good understanding of the game.
a lot of people who do have a very good understanding of the game do say that, but yeah ;p don't want to get into too much debate. sad that gumi lost, he did make the crucial error with losing his army when he sniped the hive and greater spire
It just bugs me that as soon as a terran loses everyone just screams that infestors are overpowered. It doesn't make any sense and a lot of diamond terrans just shout imbalanced to make up for the fact that they aren't playing very well
zerg imbalance in the late game in some extent is true if both players play perfectly zerg wins in late game, but this is countered from terran having easier time before late game
True. But most maps has been catering to late game. 3 bases is a given unless someone does an all-in. And even fourths are pretty easy to defend. Funny thing is, I think terrans actually have a slight advantage in the 'super' late game if they can turtle on 5 bases ala Metropolis.
terrans definitly have an advantage when mass raven thor viking with PFs are existent, but it almost never happens anyway
Yes, because you need a pretty error free mid game to even have a chance to reach that stage. Plus terrans are so used to having to be the aggressors that it is hard to just make this adjustment for one map.
On October 12 2012 21:37 opterown wrote: anyway guys, just letting you know i most likely won't be able to make any LR threads for the rest of the month, my apologies! (not even OSL/GSL finals zzz)
At your cap again? Thank you very much for all the work you always put into these threads!
not quite yet, but i will be soon, plus both my saturdays are occupied (the GSL/OSL finals) so T_T. i actually did the LR for GSTL finals last time while being capped haha (just followed the LR to know what happening)
i can still help with premaking threads, etc, but someone else can man them :D thanks everyone
So, I'll still send my write-up to you, then? Or, I mean, of course - otherwise you're ruining e-sports!
On October 12 2012 21:37 opterown wrote: anyway guys, just letting you know i most likely won't be able to make any LR threads for the rest of the month, my apologies! (not even OSL/GSL finals zzz)
At your cap again? Thank you very much for all the work you always put into these threads!
not quite yet, but i will be soon, plus both my saturdays are occupied (the GSL/OSL finals) so T_T. i actually did the LR for GSTL finals last time while being capped haha (just followed the LR to know what happening)
i can still help with premaking threads, etc, but someone else can man them :D thanks everyone
So, I'll still send my write-up to you, then? Or, I mean, of course - otherwise you're ruining e-sports!
haha as you wish! :D i thought you were posting it anyway?
On October 12 2012 21:22 Chill Penguin wrote: It seems that if you don't have 4/5 ravens with HSM in your mech composition, it's almost impossible to deal with zergs endgame army.
Seemed Like Gumiho made some critical errors, his army was out of position many times, he forgot siege tech and his composition wasn't ideal. I feel that symbol didn't play brilliantly but it wasn't like gumiho played masterfully. Gumiho made the biggest mistakes and therefore he lost.
People saying "infestors are good" or "zerg is imba" just don't have a very good understanding of the game.
Hmmmm apparently Taeja doesn't have a very good understanding of the game.....
On October 12 2012 20:02 S_SienZ wrote: shoudve sent Tear instead of TheBest imo. Why wouldnt you wanna play Leenock or Gumiho?
I can understand not wanting to field Leenock because of his ZvZ and TSL's strong Zerg lineup. But even if that is the case it probably would have made more sense to send Gumiho now, hope he cleans up enough of their zergs that he either A) takes it or B) pushes them to their ace who, hopefully, won't be a zerg, in which case they field Leenock as their own ace.
His ZvZ? As far as i know Leenock is strongest in ZvZ.
Just checked his TLPD and it looks like you're right. I don't know why I thought he had really weak ZvZ. Might just be a bad impression left over from a bad game or 2 I guess.
In that case, this makes even less sense.
No, Leenock's ZvZ is really bad in the sense that it is inconsistent. His ZvP is his strongest matchup at the moment.
Now I didn't watch the games, but did Gumiho REALLy forget siege? Lately I've been seeing a lot of tvz where the meching terran would get siege really stupidly late. Like.. so often that I figured it was intended, I'm just assuming this is one of those cases. Am I wrong? (likely am, but just was I noticed recently)
On October 13 2012 00:23 Zenbrez wrote: Now I didn't watch the games, but did Gumiho REALLy forget siege? Lately I've been seeing a lot of tvz where the meching terran would get siege really stupidly late. Like.. so often that I figured it was intended, I'm just assuming this is one of those cases. Am I wrong? (likely am, but just was I noticed recently)
Yeah, he did forget it. He also had a hellion/banshee moveout that was stupidly good, microed really well but he forgot to add production behind it. Then suiciding a ton of banshees to corruptors, not switching into vikings early enough... It just seemed off to me.
On October 12 2012 20:02 S_SienZ wrote: shoudve sent Tear instead of TheBest imo. Why wouldnt you wanna play Leenock or Gumiho?
I can understand not wanting to field Leenock because of his ZvZ and TSL's strong Zerg lineup. But even if that is the case it probably would have made more sense to send Gumiho now, hope he cleans up enough of their zergs that he either A) takes it or B) pushes them to their ace who, hopefully, won't be a zerg, in which case they field Leenock as their own ace.
His ZvZ? As far as i know Leenock is strongest in ZvZ.
Just checked his TLPD and it looks like you're right. I don't know why I thought he had really weak ZvZ. Might just be a bad impression left over from a bad game or 2 I guess.
In that case, this makes even less sense.
No, Leenock's ZvZ is really bad in the sense that it is inconsistent. His ZvP is his strongest matchup at the moment.
On October 12 2012 20:02 S_SienZ wrote: shoudve sent Tear instead of TheBest imo. Why wouldnt you wanna play Leenock or Gumiho?
I can understand not wanting to field Leenock because of his ZvZ and TSL's strong Zerg lineup. But even if that is the case it probably would have made more sense to send Gumiho now, hope he cleans up enough of their zergs that he either A) takes it or B) pushes them to their ace who, hopefully, won't be a zerg, in which case they field Leenock as their own ace.
His ZvZ? As far as i know Leenock is strongest in ZvZ.
Just checked his TLPD and it looks like you're right. I don't know why I thought he had really weak ZvZ. Might just be a bad impression left over from a bad game or 2 I guess.
In that case, this makes even less sense.
No, Leenock's ZvZ is really bad in the sense that it is inconsistent. His ZvP is his strongest matchup at the moment.
On October 12 2012 20:02 S_SienZ wrote: shoudve sent Tear instead of TheBest imo. Why wouldnt you wanna play Leenock or Gumiho?
I can understand not wanting to field Leenock because of his ZvZ and TSL's strong Zerg lineup. But even if that is the case it probably would have made more sense to send Gumiho now, hope he cleans up enough of their zergs that he either A) takes it or B) pushes them to their ace who, hopefully, won't be a zerg, in which case they field Leenock as their own ace.
His ZvZ? As far as i know Leenock is strongest in ZvZ.
Just checked his TLPD and it looks like you're right. I don't know why I thought he had really weak ZvZ. Might just be a bad impression left over from a bad game or 2 I guess.
In that case, this makes even less sense.
No, Leenock's ZvZ is really bad in the sense that it is inconsistent. His ZvP is his strongest matchup at the moment.
That game between Gumiho and Symbol was great, but it was really shocking how extremely delayed Gumiho's response to the broodlords was. He def could have had that game.
Every time I watch a TvZ, and I'm excited to see good ways for Zerg to deal with mech, it seems like the meching player wins or they make such colossal errors that the game isn't representative of a normal TvZ mech game. That said, Symbol vs. Gumiho was a really fun game to watch, I love how scrappy Gumiho is. You can never assume that just because he's at 40 supply at 25:00 that he's out of the game.
Really disappointing loss. Glad to see Ragnarok shine (no pun intended), he's been on TSL forever and never really done anything. I love seeing players like that do awesome, like Seed, YongHwa et al.
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