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Doubting
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada981 Posts
October 05 2012 12:31 GMT
#941
On October 05 2012 21:30 Mackus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 21:28 Doubting wrote:
On October 05 2012 21:25 Orek wrote:
Inevitable balance discussion when Zerg wins.

Terran wins = This Terran is better
Zerg wins = Zerg OP
is the current metagame in forums. It would take some time to shift this metagame.

This is very frustrating. When Mvp and Taeja won in the late game (dealing fine with infestor/Brood) all I read was how good they were. Now Symbol doesn't get the same credit because all the Terrans want to balance whine to make excuses for their own bad play. So sad


Leenock destroyed Taeja, did you not watch Cloud Kingdom?

Taeja was probably lucky to win the series if Leenock didn't try some strange double Roach Warren build in the middle of a ro8 finals.

Didn't watch game four?
Life: The New Champion!!
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
October 05 2012 12:31 GMT
#942
On October 05 2012 21:23 mcmartini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 21:22 Mackus wrote:
On October 05 2012 21:21 Grumbels wrote:
how about ghosts? nukes would have deterred symbol


This was already answered by Taeja, a full Ultralisk transition will just outright destroy him

People thought ghost were an option against infestor/brood after nerf? I thought that was always a troll haha

you need two ghosts and two ghost academies in order to use nukes, it's not a "lol are you trolling???" question, it won't destroy your chances against ultra transitions. just because taeja answered with a oneliner about a specific situation doesn't invalidate the idea
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
October 05 2012 12:32 GMT
#943
On October 05 2012 21:31 Doubting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 21:30 Mackus wrote:
On October 05 2012 21:28 Doubting wrote:
On October 05 2012 21:25 Orek wrote:
Inevitable balance discussion when Zerg wins.

Terran wins = This Terran is better
Zerg wins = Zerg OP
is the current metagame in forums. It would take some time to shift this metagame.

This is very frustrating. When Mvp and Taeja won in the late game (dealing fine with infestor/Brood) all I read was how good they were. Now Symbol doesn't get the same credit because all the Terrans want to balance whine to make excuses for their own bad play. So sad


Leenock destroyed Taeja, did you not watch Cloud Kingdom?

Taeja was probably lucky to win the series if Leenock didn't try some strange double Roach Warren build in the middle of a ro8 finals.

Didn't watch game four?


Irrelevant, the scenario's were different. Try again.
Doubting
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada981 Posts
October 05 2012 12:32 GMT
#944
On October 05 2012 21:31 S_SienZ wrote:
Reason you will always hear "The Terran was better" is because they managed to stay at the top despite not getting a single buff and only nerfs since launch.

Same reason why terms like Patch Zergs exist with no equivalent for T.

This isn't true and your argument is stupid. T was horribly op so they got nerfed. Just because the Terrans that had success when the game was unbalanced doesn't mean they are better to still be around when it is.
Life: The New Champion!!
Doubting
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada981 Posts
October 05 2012 12:34 GMT
#945
On October 05 2012 21:32 Mackus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 21:31 Doubting wrote:
On October 05 2012 21:30 Mackus wrote:
On October 05 2012 21:28 Doubting wrote:
On October 05 2012 21:25 Orek wrote:
Inevitable balance discussion when Zerg wins.

Terran wins = This Terran is better
Zerg wins = Zerg OP
is the current metagame in forums. It would take some time to shift this metagame.

This is very frustrating. When Mvp and Taeja won in the late game (dealing fine with infestor/Brood) all I read was how good they were. Now Symbol doesn't get the same credit because all the Terrans want to balance whine to make excuses for their own bad play. So sad


Leenock destroyed Taeja, did you not watch Cloud Kingdom?

Taeja was probably lucky to win the series if Leenock didn't try some strange double Roach Warren build in the middle of a ro8 finals.

Didn't watch game four?


Irrelevant, the scenario's were different. Try again.

The scenarios are different in every game. When the games went late they both had success/
Life: The New Champion!!
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
October 05 2012 12:36 GMT
#946
On October 05 2012 21:32 Doubting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 21:31 S_SienZ wrote:
Reason you will always hear "The Terran was better" is because they managed to stay at the top despite not getting a single buff and only nerfs since launch.

Same reason why terms like Patch Zergs exist with no equivalent for T.

This isn't true and your argument is stupid. T was horribly op so they got nerfed. Just because the Terrans that had success when the game was unbalanced doesn't mean they are better to still be around when it is.


Even though I more or less agree with your opinion above, you shouldn't state things in such an antagonistic way. This is why internet arguments are never resolved.
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
October 05 2012 12:36 GMT
#947
On October 05 2012 21:31 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 21:23 mcmartini wrote:
On October 05 2012 21:22 Mackus wrote:
On October 05 2012 21:21 Grumbels wrote:
how about ghosts? nukes would have deterred symbol


This was already answered by Taeja, a full Ultralisk transition will just outright destroy him

People thought ghost were an option against infestor/brood after nerf? I thought that was always a troll haha

you need two ghosts and two ghost academies in order to use nukes, it's not a "lol are you trolling???" question, it won't destroy your chances against ultra transitions. just because taeja answered with a oneliner about a specific situation doesn't invalidate the idea


Well it does make Ghosts pointless, what are you meant to do with them once Ultralisks are out when it takes 22 snipes to kill 1 Ultralisk?

My solution personally would be removing the Transfuse spell, it's complete utter bs running around with 6 queens with Full energy
TimeFlighT
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia257 Posts
October 05 2012 12:38 GMT
#948
On October 05 2012 21:36 Mackus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 21:31 Grumbels wrote:
On October 05 2012 21:23 mcmartini wrote:
On October 05 2012 21:22 Mackus wrote:
On October 05 2012 21:21 Grumbels wrote:
how about ghosts? nukes would have deterred symbol


This was already answered by Taeja, a full Ultralisk transition will just outright destroy him

People thought ghost were an option against infestor/brood after nerf? I thought that was always a troll haha

you need two ghosts and two ghost academies in order to use nukes, it's not a "lol are you trolling???" question, it won't destroy your chances against ultra transitions. just because taeja answered with a oneliner about a specific situation doesn't invalidate the idea


Well it does make Ghosts pointless, what are you meant to do with them once Ultralisks are out when it takes 22 snipes to kill 1 Ultralisk?

My solution personally would be removing the Transfuse spell, it's complete utter bs running around with 6 queens with Full energy



or queens can only transfure other queens and buildings.
Woizit
Profile Joined June 2011
801 Posts
October 05 2012 12:38 GMT
#949
On October 05 2012 21:31 Doubting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 21:30 Mackus wrote:
On October 05 2012 21:28 Doubting wrote:
On October 05 2012 21:25 Orek wrote:
Inevitable balance discussion when Zerg wins.

Terran wins = This Terran is better
Zerg wins = Zerg OP
is the current metagame in forums. It would take some time to shift this metagame.

This is very frustrating. When Mvp and Taeja won in the late game (dealing fine with infestor/Brood) all I read was how good they were. Now Symbol doesn't get the same credit because all the Terrans want to balance whine to make excuses for their own bad play. So sad


Leenock destroyed Taeja, did you not watch Cloud Kingdom?

Taeja was probably lucky to win the series if Leenock didn't try some strange double Roach Warren build in the middle of a ro8 finals.

Didn't watch game four?


When Leenock destroyed Taeja in game 1, (if I recalled correctly) Taeja had a significant supply advantage and did not make any noticeable mis-micro, with Taeja saying he didn't think he made any major mistake in that engagement.

When Taeja won game 4, Leenock had Taeja in a choke, and then donated ultras which allowed Taeja to walk under the BL army to destory him.
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
October 05 2012 12:39 GMT
#950
On October 05 2012 21:38 TimeFlighT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 21:36 Mackus wrote:
On October 05 2012 21:31 Grumbels wrote:
On October 05 2012 21:23 mcmartini wrote:
On October 05 2012 21:22 Mackus wrote:
On October 05 2012 21:21 Grumbels wrote:
how about ghosts? nukes would have deterred symbol


This was already answered by Taeja, a full Ultralisk transition will just outright destroy him

People thought ghost were an option against infestor/brood after nerf? I thought that was always a troll haha

you need two ghosts and two ghost academies in order to use nukes, it's not a "lol are you trolling???" question, it won't destroy your chances against ultra transitions. just because taeja answered with a oneliner about a specific situation doesn't invalidate the idea


Well it does make Ghosts pointless, what are you meant to do with them once Ultralisks are out when it takes 22 snipes to kill 1 Ultralisk?

My solution personally would be removing the Transfuse spell, it's complete utter bs running around with 6 queens with Full energy



or queens can only transfure other queens and buildings.

yea was thinkin about that too, would be good if blizz would patch that
yo
Incomplet
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1419 Posts
October 05 2012 12:39 GMT
#951
I disagree about just because the pros aren't using ghosts, they aren't viable. The game evolves over time. A few months ago we never saw any hellion banshee openings, but now they are almost standard in tvz. Mind you neither unit was buffed recently, the meta game just changed. I think if pros used their ghosts more wisely, we could see a counter to Bl/infester. Look at the way some Protoss use their HT, they transport then around in warp prisms, keep them isolated from their main army for storm flanks etc. These type of tactics would be even easier to pull off because ghosts can cloak. Now look at how successful the Protoss are doing in Korea lately. Terran need to start thinking of new tactics.
Bow down to the sons of Aiur...SKT1_Rain, CreatorPrime, ST_Parting, Liquid_Hero.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
October 05 2012 12:40 GMT
#952
On October 05 2012 21:31 S_SienZ wrote:
Reason you will always hear "The Terran was better" is because they managed to stay at the top despite not getting a single buff and only nerfs since launch.

Same reason why terms like Patch Zergs exist with no equivalent for T.


Funny, I could swear seeker missile speed was increased in a patch not too long ago. But +2 range on the 8 dps ground attack of Queens makes a bigger difference in Broodlord Infestor lategame am I right?
Doubting
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada981 Posts
October 05 2012 12:40 GMT
#953
On October 05 2012 21:36 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 21:32 Doubting wrote:
On October 05 2012 21:31 S_SienZ wrote:
Reason you will always hear "The Terran was better" is because they managed to stay at the top despite not getting a single buff and only nerfs since launch.

Same reason why terms like Patch Zergs exist with no equivalent for T.

This isn't true and your argument is stupid. T was horribly op so they got nerfed. Just because the Terrans that had success when the game was unbalanced doesn't mean they are better to still be around when it is.


Even though I more or less agree with your opinion above, you shouldn't state things in such an antagonistic way. This is why internet arguments are never resolved.

yah my apologies but it is so frustrating to see hard working pros like Symbol not get the credit they deserve after how well he played.
Life: The New Champion!!
Kamwah
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom724 Posts
October 05 2012 12:41 GMT
#954
On October 05 2012 21:28 Doubting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 21:25 Orek wrote:
Inevitable balance discussion when Zerg wins.

Terran wins = This Terran is better
Zerg wins = Zerg OP
is the current metagame in forums. It would take some time to shift this metagame.

This is very frustrating. When Mvp and Taeja won in the late game (dealing fine with infestor/Brood) all I read was how good they were. Now Symbol doesn't get the same credit because all the Terrans want to balance whine to make excuses for their own bad play. So sad


Because Terrans back in the beginning all got "Omg OP IMBA NERF" and they've been nerfed into the ground. The other two races have had dozens of buffs.

MVP still owns all these noobs though.
Learn to count with CatsPajamas!
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 12:45:37
October 05 2012 12:44 GMT
#955
On October 05 2012 21:40 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 21:31 S_SienZ wrote:
Reason you will always hear "The Terran was better" is because they managed to stay at the top despite not getting a single buff and only nerfs since launch.

Same reason why terms like Patch Zergs exist with no equivalent for T.


Funny, I could swear seeker missile speed was increased in a patch not too long ago. But +2 range on the 8 dps ground attack of Queens makes a bigger difference in Broodlord Infestor lategame am I right?


that patch never went live...

u meant that
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359152
but since terran started to win again, they didnt buff raven and nerfed creep
yo
MistSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden583 Posts
October 05 2012 12:44 GMT
#956
This match seemed so good, Damn school.
Maru, TY, Clem <3
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 12:48:12
October 05 2012 12:47 GMT
#957
On October 05 2012 21:44 Killmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 21:40 sitromit wrote:
On October 05 2012 21:31 S_SienZ wrote:
Reason you will always hear "The Terran was better" is because they managed to stay at the top despite not getting a single buff and only nerfs since launch.

Same reason why terms like Patch Zergs exist with no equivalent for T.


Funny, I could swear seeker missile speed was increased in a patch not too long ago. But +2 range on the 8 dps ground attack of Queens makes a bigger difference in Broodlord Infestor lategame am I right?


that patch never went live...

u meant that
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359152
but since terran started to win again, they didnt buff raven and nerfed creep


Why would they?

The balance for both TvZ in Korea/Foreigner are very close to 50% now .
The patch did good.

They just let the terran adapt after a period of time.
Play your best
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
October 05 2012 12:48 GMT
#958
On October 05 2012 21:39 Incomplet wrote:
I disagree about just because the pros aren't using ghosts, they aren't viable. The game evolves over time. A few months ago we never saw any hellion banshee openings, but now they are almost standard in tvz. Mind you neither unit was buffed recently, the meta game just changed. I think if pros used their ghosts more wisely, we could see a counter to Bl/infester. Look at the way some Protoss use their HT, they transport then around in warp prisms, keep them isolated from their main army for storm flanks etc. These type of tactics would be even easier to pull off because ghosts can cloak. Now look at how successful the Protoss are doing in Korea lately. Terran need to start thinking of new tactics.


ForGG was using hellion/banshee every game for months on end.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12779 Posts
October 05 2012 12:50 GMT
#959
Lol MarineKing and ByuN got beaten by SymboL?
This is so sad for Prime that they are mainly a terran team, TvZ is so ridiculously hard that they lose to TSL -_-.
WriterMaru
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
October 05 2012 12:52 GMT
#960
On October 05 2012 21:44 Killmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 21:40 sitromit wrote:
On October 05 2012 21:31 S_SienZ wrote:
Reason you will always hear "The Terran was better" is because they managed to stay at the top despite not getting a single buff and only nerfs since launch.

Same reason why terms like Patch Zergs exist with no equivalent for T.


Funny, I could swear seeker missile speed was increased in a patch not too long ago. But +2 range on the 8 dps ground attack of Queens makes a bigger difference in Broodlord Infestor lategame am I right?


that patch never went live...

u meant that
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359152
but since terran started to win again, they didnt buff raven and nerfed creep


You obviously know a lot about the game... I wasn't talking about that patch.

Patch 1.4.0:

Raven: Seeker missile movement speed increased from 2.5 to 2.953.

But OMG, Terran has only been nerfed.
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