On October 04 2012 03:30 Dodgin wrote: I'm surprised the " head " poll is so heavily in favor of Prime, I think this is pretty even.
I think it's fairly even but Prime have higher possibility of AK HyuN is the big wild card, he is literally unbeatable in Fight Club but so far haven't been translated to other success.
Sure a lot of Prime fans out there. I think this is quite the even match-up, IPL TL had Prime winning 5-4, and it was close most of the time. I hope TSL learned from their mistakes and have better decisions in choosing players, or at least have HyuN not derp so much.
On October 04 2012 03:57 PhoenixVoid wrote: Sure a lot of Prime fans out there. I think this is quite the even match-up, IPL TL had Prime winning 5-4, and it was close most of the time. I hope TSL learned from their mistakes and have better decisions in choosing players, or at least have HyuN not derp so much.
TSL 5-3 if things go to the best
Prime seems to have the highest fan/player ratio :p
Prime is on the rise again. In the last two months the whole team seemed to be in a slump aside from Creator. But if you look at the recent performances of Marineking, Maru and BBoongBBoong, you'll see all of them back on track again. The games @ IPTL might be several weeks old and Prime's players are getting back to form since then. I think Prime has best chances to take this season of GSTL, and TSL will only be the first stepping stone. But of course they have to be careful not to fall right at the beginning. TSL is a strong team, but I see Prime winning this. If they eliminate Antiga Shipyard before they send out Creator (one big mistake they made @ the IPTL match, where Polt was able to pick a TvP on Antiga to beat Creator), then there shouldn't be any problems!
On October 04 2012 05:08 Fionn wrote: I just want to see Polt vs. MKP in GSL finally.
too bad polt actually has a negative record against mkp ;p also, i will agree that prime are not huge favourites, maybe slightly favoured only
We might see more cheese-fests between the two like last time. Though I think the advantage goes to Polt if it becomes a Marine/Tank battle, or at least equal in terms of strategic positioning and Bio mobility tactics.
On October 04 2012 07:01 TeeTS wrote: Prime is on the rise again. In the last two months the whole team seemed to be in a slump aside from Creator. But if you look at the recent performances of Marineking, Maru and BBoongBBoong, you'll see all of them back on track again. The games @ IPTL might be several weeks old and Prime's players are getting back to form since then. I think Prime has best chances to take this season of GSTL, and TSL will only be the first stepping stone. But of course they have to be careful not to fall right at the beginning. TSL is a strong team, but I see Prime winning this. If they eliminate Antiga Shipyard before they send out Creator (one big mistake they made @ the IPTL match, where Polt was able to pick a TvP on Antiga to beat Creator), then there shouldn't be any problems!
I don't think MKP will be of any use to his team, after yesterday's beatdown. He must be broken mentally. :p It all comes down to Creator. I think TSL will take it.
I want TSL to win and I think the chance is about 50:50. Polt has been really solid recently, Symbol hasn't impressed, but he's still dangerous, Shine and Hyun are damn strong... ... on the other hand, Maru looked awesome against Effort, same thing goes to Creator. Could be a very interesting series.
Creator and Byun are very iffy on when they'll play awesome and when they won't. MKP is still broken mentally from his ro8 loss to life though, so I'm picking TSL to take this.
On October 05 2012 04:30 sitromit wrote: I don't think MKP will be of any use to his team, after yesterday's beatdown. He must be broken mentally. :p It all comes down to Creator. I think TSL will take it.
IPTL isn't live. It's played from replays and I bet it was probably played a few days ago maybe?
Although TSL being Zerg heavy and MKP not being able to show his TvZ means he won't do too well.
On October 05 2012 04:30 sitromit wrote: I don't think MKP will be of any use to his team, after yesterday's beatdown. He must be broken mentally. :p It all comes down to Creator. I think TSL will take it.
IPTL isn't live. It's played from replays and I bet it was probably played a few days ago maybe?
Although TSL being Zerg heavy and MKP not being able to show his TvZ means he won't do too well.
I'm not talking about IPTL, I'm talking about GSL.
Going to have to go with TSL on this one after seeing Prime's disappointing loss against ST. Not to mention with TSL's strong players who has been on fire lately, polt, symbol and not to mention hyun the beast from fight club.
Anyone know where I can get the starting players? I know people have said sometimes it's posted on the korean gomtv sometimes but it's set up differently than the english one so I'm not really sure how to navigate it
damn the banner has the most handsomest nerds ive ever seen, too bad i dont recognize the left side guy, hes so good looking, off topic, anyone remember what happened to that super tournament winner?? did he retire ? im sure he was on prime, his name was pont i think
On October 05 2012 14:34 X3GoldDot wrote: damn the banner has the most handsomest nerds ive ever seen, too bad i dont recognize the left side guy, hes so good looking, off topic, anyone remember what happened to that super tournament winner?? did he retire ? im sure he was on prime, his name was pont i think
Wtf? How could you forget his name? It was PolkPrime... geez, some people...
On October 05 2012 12:59 Shellshock1122 wrote: Anyone know where I can get the starting players? I know people have said sometimes it's posted on the korean gomtv sometimes but it's set up differently than the english one so I'm not really sure how to navigate it
On October 05 2012 15:35 Fragile51 wrote: Polt jokes? For serious guys? ;_; That shit really hasn't gotten old yet?
I think it gets funnier and funnier with time because there's a lot of new fans that were not even around for the Super Tournament, so they think we're totally serious ;o
On October 05 2012 15:35 Fragile51 wrote: Polt jokes? For serious guys? ;_; That shit really hasn't gotten old yet?
I think it gets funnier and funnier with time because there's a lot of new fans that were not even around for the Super Tournament, so they think we're totally serious ;o
It's only worth it to make the joke when someone falls for it
On October 05 2012 15:35 Fragile51 wrote: Polt jokes? For serious guys? ;_; That shit really hasn't gotten old yet?
I think it gets funnier and funnier with time because there's a lot of new fans that were not even around for the Super Tournament, so they think we're totally serious ;o
On October 05 2012 15:35 Fragile51 wrote: Polt jokes? For serious guys? ;_; That shit really hasn't gotten old yet?
I think it gets funnier and funnier with time because there's a lot of new fans that were not even around for the Super Tournament, so they think we're totally serious ;o
On October 05 2012 15:35 Fragile51 wrote: Polt jokes? For serious guys? ;_; That shit really hasn't gotten old yet?
I think it gets funnier and funnier with time because there's a lot of new fans that were not even around for the Super Tournament, so they think we're totally serious ;o
We're not serious?
Your face is not serious.
wtf..... there is no such thing as polt jokes, polt is a noob, he retired long time ago.........
On October 05 2012 14:49 Meristematic wrote: @X3GoldDot That was PoltPrime, he changed his name to OptimusPrime and then switched teams forever ago. He's TSL_Polt now
On October 05 2012 17:09 Shellshock1122 wrote: No one usually LRs GSTL matches. Is there anyone that wants/needs it tonight? I guess it can't hurt to do it?
You know i need it Silvershock D: pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase?
On October 05 2012 17:09 Shellshock1122 wrote: No one usually LRs GSTL matches. Is there anyone that wants/needs it tonight? I guess it can't hurt to do it?
You know i need it Silvershock D: pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase?
On October 05 2012 17:09 Shellshock1122 wrote: No one usually LRs GSTL matches. Is there anyone that wants/needs it tonight? I guess it can't hurt to do it?
You know i need it Silvershock D: pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase?
On October 05 2012 18:00 BlackPanther wrote: I like TSL's top players but Prime probably has the best starting five next to LG-IM SK.
I'd take Squirtle, Parting, Life, Curious, and anyone else (Legend preferably) over Prime's five in all the player's current forms. I think Symbol, Hyun, and Polt should be stronger than the Prime's current form too.
On October 05 2012 18:05 Woizit wrote: Urgh I get it that Creator is good, but why is he so much more favoured over players like Hyun and Maru?
Results? Creator has won 2 major tournaments and has been a consistent force to be reckoned with ever since he gave MVP a run for his money during the super tournament last year. Maru has been up and down even though he's got a massive amount of potential and hyun has been struggling to even make it into code S, let alone stay there for a longer period of time. I'd say it's pretty obvious why Creator is favored.
On October 05 2012 18:23 Shellshock1122 wrote: TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 1 Revival vs BBoongBBoong Map: Whirlwind
0:00 Revival spawns in the bottom right B4 spawns in the top right
2:00 Hatch first for both players
2:40 pool for both players gas for B4 gas slightly later by Revival
4:15 Ling speed started for B4 Ling speed started 5 in game seconds later for Revival Baneling nest for B4 Roach Warren for Revival
5:00 lings from Revival get in B4's main and sees the baneling nest Spine going down for B4 at his natural 2nd gas for Revival Roach production begins banelings begin morphing for B4 in his own natural
6:00 Lair started for B4 2nd gas for B4 B4 scouts the roaches 2nd spine started for B4 Baneling nest for Revival
7:00 20 lings building for revival 3rd spine for B4 Spire started for B4 Revival moving out on the map lings from B4 scouts the roaches moving across the map B4 adding another spine
On October 05 2012 18:23 Shellshock1122 wrote: TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 1 Revival vs BBoongBBoong Map: Whirlwind
0:00 Revival spawns in the bottom right B4 spawns in the top right
2:00 Hatch first for both players
2:40 pool for both players gas for B4 gas slightly later by Revival
4:15 Ling speed started for B4 Ling speed started 5 in game seconds later for Revival Baneling nest for B4 Roach Warren for Revival
5:00 lings from Revival get in B4's main and sees the baneling nest Spine going down for B4 at his natural 2nd gas for Revival Roach production begins banelings begin morphing for B4 in his own natural
6:00 Lair started for B4 2nd gas for B4 B4 scouts the roaches 2nd spine started for B4 Baneling nest for Revival
7:00 20 lings building for revival 3rd spine for B4 Spire started for B4 Revival moving out on the map lings from B4 scouts the roaches moving across the map B4 adding another spine
8:00 18 banelings for Revival B4 spreads his spines but Revival starts attacking before they root Big battle in the natural of B4 all the spines are dead
9:00 Lair for Revival B4's natural drones are all dead lings in the main of B4 double evo for Revival B4 down 15 drones
10:00 spores going up for Revival Hydralisk den started for Revival Overlord speed started for Revival Roach speed started for Revival +1 range and carapace started for Revival
On October 05 2012 18:23 Shellshock1122 wrote: TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 1 Revival vs BBoongBBoong Map: Whirlwind
0:00 Revival spawns in the bottom right B4 spawns in the top right
2:00 Hatch first for both players
2:40 pool for both players gas for B4 gas slightly later by Revival
4:15 Ling speed started for B4 Ling speed started 5 in game seconds later for Revival Baneling nest for B4 Roach Warren for Revival
5:00 lings from Revival get in B4's main and sees the baneling nest Spine going down for B4 at his natural 2nd gas for Revival Roach production begins banelings begin morphing for B4 in his own natural
6:00 Lair started for B4 2nd gas for B4 B4 scouts the roaches 2nd spine started for B4 Baneling nest for Revival
7:00 20 lings building for revival 3rd spine for B4 Spire started for B4 Revival moving out on the map lings from B4 scouts the roaches moving across the map B4 adding another spine
8:00 18 banelings for Revival B4 spreads his spines but Revival starts attacking before they root Big battle in the natural of B4 all the spines are dead
9:00 Lair for Revival B4's natural drones are all dead lings in the main of B4 double evo for Revival B4 down 15 drones
10:00 spores going up for Revival Hydralisk den started for Revival Overlord speed started for Revival Roach speed started for Revival +1 range and carapace started for Revival
11:00 mutalisk production begins for B4 Hydra range started for Revival Hydralisk production begins for Revival Roach warren started for B4
12:00 Mutalisks just killing overlords on the map
13:00 roach speed started for B4 Revival moving out on the map with his roach hydra army evo chamber started for B4 1-1 finishes for Revival +1 range started for B4 ling runby does 0 damage for B4 as a revival baneling kills it Revival pushing into B4's natural B4 pulls drones
14:00 Revival decimating B4's natural all the spines roaches and mutas die B4 ggs! Revival wins game 1! 1-0 TSL
I think this is a metagame move. They're probably sending him out because they figure TSL wouldn't have prepared for him. He probably has something special in mind himself too.
On October 05 2012 18:35 fixed_point wrote: Prime coach the new IM coach?
Gerrard has said in the past that if one of the players says that he wants to play he will let them, regardless of his own strategies. I think he just has a lot of trust in his players. Also Classic is extremely difficult to prepare for as he hardly plays in any tournaments.
On October 05 2012 18:35 fixed_point wrote: Prime coach the new IM coach?
Gerrard has said in the past that if one of the players says that he wants to play he will let them, regardless of his own strategies. I think he just has a lot of trust in his players.
On October 05 2012 18:23 Shellshock1122 wrote: TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 1 Revival vs BBoongBBoong Map: Whirlwind
0:00 Revival spawns in the bottom right B4 spawns in the top right
2:00 Hatch first for both players
2:40 pool for both players gas for B4 gas slightly later by Revival
zomg almost 22k
quick, think of something witty
He'll never post again if you want him to do that =(
I've had at least 2 witty comments in skype over the last 4 months and at least I have internet good enough to watch GSTL and my favorite team wasnt crushed in the prelim round
On October 05 2012 18:35 fixed_point wrote: Prime coach the new IM coach?
Gerrard has said in the past that if one of the players says that he wants to play he will let them, regardless of his own strategies. I think he just has a lot of trust in his players.
IM coach has said something extremely similar.
And look how that's working out for him in the long run :D
On October 05 2012 18:44 Dodgin wrote: is fionn a part of the skype group, you should learn from him how to make a witty comment every two posts.
just do what artosis does. When you run out of witty things to say keep going back to, "all kings must die."
he never says that about nestea though
I wonder what it must be like to be artosis and have to come to terms with nestea being awful but not being able to admit it openly.
He'll try to forget it, like he tries to forget his failed Progaming career. ;p
honestly I think he is happy he got into casting instead ;o way more money and less effort required
And much more fame. If Artosis retired after those open seasons and that failed sixjax stuff, we would forever remember him (if you actually do) as the guy who failed to reach the finals of WCG 2005 USA and getting knocked out early in the GSL open seasons...
On October 05 2012 18:44 Dodgin wrote: is fionn a part of the skype group, you should learn from him how to make a witty comment every two posts.
just do what artosis does. When you run out of witty things to say keep going back to, "all kings must die."
he never says that about nestea though
I wonder what it must be like to be artosis and have to come to terms with nestea being awful but not being able to admit it openly.
He'll try to forget it, like he tries to forget his failed Progaming career. ;p
honestly I think he is happy he got into casting instead ;o way more money and less effort required
he also always stays relevant as long as he keeps up with the game, players peak and fall.
I remember him saying on Real Talk that he doesn't think he's successful by his definition of it, but he's happy with how he made the choice for casting.
On October 05 2012 18:44 Dodgin wrote: is fionn a part of the skype group, you should learn from him how to make a witty comment every two posts.
just do what artosis does. When you run out of witty things to say keep going back to, "all kings must die."
he never says that about nestea though
I wonder what it must be like to be artosis and have to come to terms with nestea being awful but not being able to admit it openly.
He'll try to forget it, like he tries to forget his failed Progaming career. ;p
honestly I think he is happy he got into casting instead ;o way more money and less effort required
he also always stays relevant as long as he keeps up with the game, players peak and fall.
I remember him saying on Real Talk that he doesn't think he's successful by his definition of it, but he's happy with how he made the choice for casting.
Well he failed to achieve his actual dreams and i'm sure that's a pretty harsh reality for him, but i'm pretty sure he's happy that he was able to still do what he loves while being able to provide for his child and such. Not a lot of people can make that same claim.
TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 2 Revival vs Classic Current Score: TSL 1 - 0 Prime Map: Entombed Valley
0:00 Revival spawns in the bottom right Classic spawns in the top right
2:00 Pool first from Revival
2:30 Nexus for Classic Hatchery for Revival Forge for Classic
3:30 Gateway for Classic Cannon for Classic 3rd base for Revival
4:30 Cyber core for Classic
5:00 Stalker for Classic +1 attack for Classic
6:00 Classic walling off this 3rd base area with a pylon and 2 more gates
7:00 Lair started for Revival double evo for Revival 3 more gates for Classic ling speed started for Revival
8:00 Roach warren for Revival Macro hatch for revival +1 melee and carapace started for Revival +1 armor started for Classic infestation pit started for Revival
9:00 Roach production started Roach speed started for REvival Overlord scouts Classic's moveout ling confirms the units composition Revival throwing down 2 spines in his natural and making 20 roaches
10:00 Classic begins assaulting the natural as +1 armor finishes forcefields go down on the ramp of the main Pylon in the natural of Revival Revival pulls drones 1-1 finishes for Revival
11:00 all the roaches in the natural are dead more forcefields on the main ramp cannon going up in the natural manner nexus from Classic outside of Revival's natural Revival GGs! Classic ties it up 1-1!
On October 05 2012 19:00 glzElectromaster wrote: Very clean play by Classic. Pretty impressive for a up and coming Code B player.
Wouldn't call Classic up and coming, more like forever mediocre :p but even those players have their moments. Let's see what he'll be able to do this series.
TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 3 TSL 1-1 Prime Ragnarok vs Classic Map: Daybreak
0:00 Ragnarok spawns in the bottom left Classic spawns in the top right Classic sends out a probe immediately
1:00 pylon goes down in the left corner of Ragnarok's main
1:30 gateway #1 started in the main of Ragnarok gateway #2 ""
2:00 Pool first for Ragnarok
2:30 Drone misses the gates Hatchery for Ragnarok Zealots being chronoboosted out
3:15 Ragnarok scouts the gate as the 2nd and 3rd zealot come out! 3 spines started for Ragnarok
4:00 1st spine cancelled 2 spines finish lings are out spines are rooted in range of protecting the hatch only 4 harvesters are dead evo chamber blocking the mineral line 5 zealots out
On October 05 2012 19:08 Laryleprakon wrote: Lol havn't seen this vs zerg in so long.
I think the last time i've seen this vs zerg was vs b4, that one unknown guy that got through the prelims by beating cella. He did a double unscouted proxygate in b4's natural on antiga, and b4 only barely managed to hold it off.
TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 3 TSL 1-1 Prime Ragnarok vs Classic Map: Daybreak
0:00 Ragnarok spawns in the bottom left Classic spawns in the top right Classic sends out a probe immediately
1:00 pylon goes down in the left corner of Ragnarok's main
1:30 gateway #1 started in the main of Ragnarok gateway #2 ""
2:00 Pool first for Ragnarok
2:30 Drone misses the gates Hatchery for Ragnarok Zealots being chronoboosted out
3:15 Ragnarok scouts the gate as the 2nd and 3rd zealot come out! 3 spines started for Ragnarok
4:00 1st spine cancelled 2 spines finish lings are out spines are rooted in range of protecting the hatch only 4 harvesters are dead evo chamber blocking the mineral line 5 zealots out
5:00 evo chamber cancelled lings ran to classic's main hold position micro around the spine too many zealots! both spines die! half the zealots attacking drones the other half killing the hatch Ragnarok ggs! Classic makes it 2-1!
On October 05 2012 19:13 DJHelium wrote: I don't get why he didn't build more spine. It's not like it's hard to scout if he's building more zealots, just float an overlord on top of gateways.
Not only that, but his overlord should be inside the main of the protoss and should know if he has started probes again.
Prime already got enough results from Classic to make it a profit. More experience for him, and unexpected 2-kill from him. They must be feeling pretty good
On October 05 2012 19:03 Netsky wrote: TSL should be called TDL
Clever
TSL's fine. As someone said, Team Swarm Life.
Anyway, is Gerrard telling all his players to cheese at least once? lol it's pretty nice seeing different types of games.
Imagine byun's response to that.
"only once? :<"
Honestly, I'm starting to enjoy cheeses a lot more than 25-35minutes of posturing which ends up with BL/infestor rolling through everything
ye me2, the camping till BLs and infestors with just enough defense is getting very boring, every PvZ ends thats way like 97% of the times
I like long epic games, but if every one of them is long, then it's no longer epic Just really sluggish.
Probably how people felt excited when they saw Boxer bunker rush consecutively. Or to much lesser extent when Keen consecutively 11/11'ed Squirtle.
mvp vs squirtle game 7, second in intensity only to flash vs bisu ace match in PL finals this year
Flash vs Bisu was pretty excellent, definitely. It was the first SPL i really followed from start to finish and that game was such a great ending to it all.
On October 05 2012 19:03 Netsky wrote: TSL should be called TDL
Clever
TSL's fine. As someone said, Team Swarm Life.
Anyway, is Gerrard telling all his players to cheese at least once? lol it's pretty nice seeing different types of games.
Imagine byun's response to that.
"only once? :<"
Honestly, I'm starting to enjoy cheeses a lot more than 25-35minutes of posturing which ends up with BL/infestor rolling through everything
ye me2, the camping till BLs and infestors with just enough defense is getting very boring, every PvZ ends thats way like 97% of the times
I like long epic games, but if every one of them is long, then it's no longer epic Just really sluggish.
Probably how people felt excited when they saw Boxer bunker rush consecutively. Or to much lesser extent when Keen consecutively 11/11'ed Squirtle.
mvp vs squirtle game 7, second in intensity only to flash vs bisu ace match in PL finals this year
Flash vs Bisu was pretty excellent, definitely. It was the first SPL i really followed from start to finish and that game was such a great ending to it all.
It was an awesome finals no doubt. Except I kinda felt Flash under-performed.
On October 05 2012 19:21 Tsubbi wrote: dont get why tsl wouldnt want to kill a protoss with polt to also get rid of antiga, gogo
I'd save him for a TvT or Creator snipe.
One does not simply "Snipe" creator.
EDIT: Especially vs TSL! Creator basically got his first major achievement by being the Ace player for Prime vs TSL in GSTL 2 i believe, when he got air teary eyed in the interview. It's basically when i became a big fan of him :D
wow impressive, i thought classic would go for macro against hyun ... but that hyun cheeses, so well played. That being said, go go classic cannon is low ground and stop half of his mining lol.
TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 4 TSL 1 - 2 Prime HyuN vs Classic Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 HyuN spawns in the bottom right Classic spawns in the top left
1:30 11 pool from HyuN
2:30 Nexus first from Classic ling production started for Hyun forge for Classic
3:20 gateway for Classic cannon for Classic Probes pulled from the main to help wall off lings get by before the cannon finishes
4:30 hatchery for Hyun 3 lings get into the main more lings from Hyun no wall off complete several lings are in the main now
5:30 the first zealot is out 2 more lings get into Classic's base 2 zealots out 7 lings killing probes Hyun ahead 22-8 workers 16 workers killed
7:00 3rd base for HyuN ling speed started for Hyun 2 zealots heading into Hyun's natural 37 drones - 16 probes drones and queens clean up the zealots easily
8:00 Lair started for Hyun lings still running around in classic's base
TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 4 TSL 1 - 2 Prime HyuN vs Classic Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 HyuN spawns in the bottom right Classic spawns in the top left
1:30 11 pool from HyuN
2:30 Nexus first from Classic ling production started for Hyun forge for Classic
3:20 gateway for Classic cannon for Classic Probes pulled from the main to help wall off lings get by before the cannon finishes
4:30 hatchery for Hyun 3 lings get into the main more lings from Hyun no wall off complete several lings are in the main now
5:30 the first zealot is out 2 more lings get into Classic's base 2 zealots out 7 lings killing probes Hyun ahead 22-8 workers 16 workers killed
7:00 3rd base for HyuN ling speed started for Hyun 2 zealots heading into Hyun's natural 37 drones - 16 probes drones and queens clean up the zealots easily
8:00 Lair started for Hyun lings still running around in classic's base
9:00 Cybernetics core started for Classic Roach warren started for Hyun Manner hatch being queued in Classic's natural
10:00 Manner hatch made outside the natural instead because of the wall off Roach speed started for Hyun evo chamber for Hyun +1 range attacks started for Hyun
11:00 Warpgate research started Classic GGs after Hyun just spams overseers Hyun ties it up at 2-2!
On October 05 2012 19:29 MaNaVoId wrote: Why is classic still in this game?
In GSTL you always stay longer in games even when you've already lost. It makes the other guy second guess himself and tire himself out, mentality is absolutely everything in team league games.
I wonder if this means MKP isnt coming out today since he always plays like shit when he goes last. They usually send him in the first 3 if they want him to at least win a map
On October 05 2012 19:36 Shellshock1122 wrote: I wonder if this means MKP isnt coming out today since he always plays like shit when he goes last. They usually send him in the first 3 if they want him to at least win a map
Bad idea to send out MKP when he's just lost in Code S the day before, i think it would be very unwise to put him out.
On October 05 2012 19:36 Shellshock1122 wrote: I wonder if this means MKP isnt coming out today since he always plays like shit when he goes last. They usually send him in the first 3 if they want him to at least win a map
Bad idea to send out MKP when he's just lost in Code S the day before, i think it would be very unwise to put him out.
That's what I'm thinking. Probably going to be Byun and Maru if they go to the next 2
time for a quick note (and a small nit pick), Khaldor.... if you read this...... F***N YES! great introduction! (you introduced him (Creator) without saying 'the [insert team here] player') bless you sir!
anyway, should be a wicked match!
EDIT: btw I love Khaldor's work, he does so much/puts in alot of effort, been wicked to seen him go from strength to strength casting for GomTV
TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 5 TSL 2 - 2 Prime HyuN vs Creator Map: Ohana
0:00 HyuN spawns in the top left Creator spawns in the bottom right
1:30 Wolf imagines Creator with 2 forges for arms
2:00 Pool first for HyuN
2:30 forge for Creator
2:50 Hatchery for HyuN
3:00 Nexus for Creator Cannon for Creator Gateway for Creator 3rd base for HyuN
5:30 +1 attack for Creator Creator getting both gas in his natural in view of an overlord Hyun taking both gas in his natural
6:30 robo for Creator
7:00 Lair for Hyun Roach Warren started for Hyun Creator adding on 3 gates evo chamber started for Hyun ling speed started for Hyun immortal production begins
TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 5 TSL 2 - 2 Prime HyuN vs Creator Map: Ohana
0:00 HyuN spawns in the top left Creator spawns in the bottom right
1:30 Wolf imagines Creator with 2 forges for arms
2:00 Pool first for HyuN
2:30 forge for Creator
2:50 Hatchery for HyuN
3:00 Nexus for Creator Cannon for Creator Gateway for Creator 3rd base for HyuN
5:30 +1 attack for Creator Creator getting both gas in his natural in view of an overlord Hyun taking both gas in his natural
6:30 robo for Creator
7:00 Lair for Hyun Roach Warren started for Hyun Creator adding on 3 gates evo chamber started for Hyun ling speed started for Hyun immortal production begins
8:00 Creator adding on 3 more gates +1 armor started for Creator +1 range attack started for Hyun Roach speed started for Hyun infestation pit started for Hyun immortal production continues
9:00 Warp prism started for Creator pathogen glands started for Hyun Creator pushing across the map Hyun trying to buy time with a ling runby Roach production begins
10:00 infestor production begins Hyun pulls all drones in from his 3rd to his natural spinecrawlers begin thrown down in the natural (4 i think) Creator pushing into the natural drones being pulled lots of forcefields Creator pushing further intot he natural all the roaches are dead
11:00 Hyun down 50 supply Hyun loses his whole army Hyun ggs! Creator gives Prime the 3-2 lead!
On October 05 2012 19:45 monk. wrote: Hyun's already dead. Creator's never done a 2 base immortal push, so Hyun doesn't expect it and got too greedy with 6 gas.
As expected, Creator cleaning up the zergs! Prime would be the best 1.4.3 team if they had a good zerg line-up :/. I want to see some terrans though, Polt or MKP/Maru/Byun plz!
On October 05 2012 19:45 monk. wrote: Hyun's already dead. Creator's never done a 2 base immortal push, so Hyun doesn't expect it and got too greedy with 6 gas.
doesnt he do it all the time on ohana though?
nope, quite rarely, infact not alot of protosses do it surprisingly considering the map
On October 05 2012 19:47 mogster wrote: And people are complaining about BL/Infestor.
I'd rather watch a greedy zerg get punished for cutting too many corners by a well executed timing then watching bludlud impestor make a game out of something that should have been a lost cause 5-10 mins ago.
On October 05 2012 19:45 monk. wrote: Hyun's already dead. Creator's never done a 2 base immortal push, so Hyun doesn't expect it and got too greedy with 6 gas.
doesnt he do it all the time on ohana though?
nope, quite rarely, infact not alot of protosses do it surprisingly considering the map
It's next level mindgames, protoss do it all the time on ohana so it becomes too obvious, so then they don't do it and hyun knew that so he cut way too many corners, which creator expected so he did it anyways!
This particular game, unlike other Immortal/sentry all-in games, was completely the Zerg's fault for losing. Usually Zergs know it's coming and can't stop it, but this time Hyun completely misread Creator and went for way too greedy a build against the usually macro oriented Creator.
On October 05 2012 19:50 duckmaster wrote: I don't see Creator losing to Polt ever. like ever
Weeeeell Polt is like one of the best TvP players in the world so i wouldn't say that it's going to be a roflstomp for Creator. Still, i'd favor creator over polt on most days.
TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 6 TSL 2 - 3 Prime Polt vs Creator Map: Muspelheim
0:00 Polt spawns in the top left Creator spawns in the bottom right
1:30 rax first from Polt gateway first for Creator gas for both players
2:45 Cybernetics core for Creator
3:00 Polt walls off before a probe can get in 2nd gas for Creator
3:30 factory for Polt reactor started
4:30 Nexus for Creator reactored hellion production begins for Polt 2nd gateway for Creator
5:00 starport for Polt tech lab started 3rd gateway for Creator Creator scouts the hellions forcefield on the ramp keeps him out of his base
6:00 banshee production begins Robo for Creator
7:00 2nd banshee started for Polt observer started for Creator Polt repairing his hellions
8:00 CC started for Polt 10 hellions out now heading towards the natural Immortal production begins 2 banshees and 10 hellions hitting creator's natural tons of probes are dying in the natural every probe in the natural dies (16)
9:00 3rd CC for Polt 2 more rax added on for Polt 3 banshees out now Polt coming back to the natural with his hellion banshee force
10:00 Creator adding 2 more gates 2 banshees come into the main and start killing more probes 24 probes dead now 1 banshee dies the 2nd heads into the natural and kills 6 more probes
11:00 combat shields and stim started for Polt Creator heading across the map 4 bunkers going up for Polt 10 hellions go into the main of creator and kill even more probes
TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 6 TSL 2 - 3 Prime Polt vs Creator Map: Muspelheim
0:00 Polt spawns in the top left Creator spawns in the bottom right
1:30 rax first from Polt gateway first for Creator gas for both players
2:45 Cybernetics core for Creator
3:00 Polt walls off before a probe can get in 2nd gas for Creator
3:30 factory for Polt reactor started
4:30 Nexus for Creator reactored hellion production begins for Polt 2nd gateway for Creator
5:00 starport for Polt tech lab started 3rd gateway for Creator Creator scouts the hellions forcefield on the ramp keeps him out of his base
6:00 banshee production begins Robo for Creator
7:00 2nd banshee started for Polt observer started for Creator Polt repairing his hellions
8:00 CC started for Polt 10 hellions out now heading towards the natural Immortal production begins 2 banshees and 10 hellions hitting creator's natural tons of probes are dying in the natural every probe in the natural dies (16)
9:00 3rd CC for Polt 2 more rax added on for Polt 3 banshees out now Polt coming back to the natural with his hellion banshee force
10:00 Creator adding 2 more gates 2 banshees come into the main and start killing more probes 24 probes dead now 1 banshee dies the 2nd heads into the natural and kills 6 more probes
11:00 combat shields and stim started for Polt Creator heading across the map 4 bunkers going up for Polt 10 hellions go into the main of creator and kill even more probes
12:00 the Hellions are cleaned up and Polt has killed 42 probes 4 bunkers are completed double ebay for Polt Creator attacking into the natural forcefields go down on the bunkers medivacs are out Creator is repelled Creator only has 14 probes left
13:00 Polt chases down the army of creator stim is done Creator's whole army is being killed Creator ggs! Polt ties it up 3-3 for TSL!
I HATE dealing with hellions in pvt. Stalkers just kill them sooo slowly. Now for the next week on the ladder i'm going to have to deal with them again lol.
TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 7 TSL 3 - 3 Prime Polt vs Marineking Map: Grand Lagoon
0:00 Polt spawns in the top right Marineking spawns in the bottom left
1:30 rax first for Polt
2:20 14 cc from MKP
2:45 rax from Marineking
3:00 2nd rax for Marineking CC for Polt
4:00 double gas for Polt Bunker going up in Marineking's natural from Polt as his first marine arrives Marineking defends and Polt cancels the bunker 2nd barracks from Polt double gas for Marineking 3rd rax for Marineking
5:00 Factory for Polt ebay from Marineking Bunker at the natural for Polt
6:00 Starport for Polt stim and +1 attack for Marineking Factory for Marineking Polt switching his starport to a tech lab
On October 05 2012 20:19 Otolia wrote: I just took one hour of my 1h30min pause to go back home and eat in front of GSTL. Come just in time for Polt versus MKP.
TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 7 TSL 3 - 3 Prime Polt vs Marineking Map: Grand Lagoon
0:00 Polt spawns in the top right Marineking spawns in the bottom left
1:30 rax first for Polt
2:20 14 cc from MKP
2:45 rax from Marineking
3:00 2nd rax for Marineking CC for Polt
4:00 double gas for Polt Bunker going up in Marineking's natural from Polt as his first marine arrives Marineking defends and Polt cancels the bunker 2nd barracks from Polt double gas for Marineking 3rd rax for Marineking
5:00 Factory for Polt ebay from Marineking Bunker at the natural for Polt
6:00 Starport for Polt stim and +1 attack for Marineking Factory for Marineking Polt switching his starport to a tech lab
7:00 Cloak and banshee started for Polt Marineking pushing out with a marine force Starport for MArineking
8:00 tank production begins for Polt 3rd base for Marineking Banshee is scouted by a xelnaga watchtower marine Missile turrets for Marineking Combat shield started
9:00 stim started for Polt banshee is deflected by missile turret at the natural +1 armor started for MKP 3rd CC started for Polt +1 attack for bio started for Polt Medivac production begins for both players Polt picking off marines with the banshee
10:00 2nd banshee of polt scouts the 3rd of marineking but the banshee dies to marines the 1st banshee of polt dies after 12 kills Polt adding more rax siege mode almost done for Polt but marineking attacks right before with a stim timing manner mule from mkp
11:00 Polt's who army dies /dance from MKP mkp goes into the natural Polt evacuates into his main the natural OC is targeted down and dies 3rd CC built in the natural is barely saved siege mode finishes
TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 7 TSL 3 - 3 Prime Polt vs Marineking Map: Grand Lagoon
0:00 Polt spawns in the top right Marineking spawns in the bottom left
1:30 rax first for Polt
2:20 14 cc from MKP
2:45 rax from Marineking
3:00 2nd rax for Marineking CC for Polt
4:00 double gas for Polt Bunker going up in Marineking's natural from Polt as his first marine arrives Marineking defends and Polt cancels the bunker 2nd barracks from Polt double gas for Marineking 3rd rax for Marineking
5:00 Factory for Polt ebay from Marineking Bunker at the natural for Polt
6:00 Starport for Polt stim and +1 attack for Marineking Factory for Marineking Polt switching his starport to a tech lab
7:00 Cloak and banshee started for Polt Marineking pushing out with a marine force Starport for MArineking
8:00 tank production begins for Polt 3rd base for Marineking Banshee is scouted by a xelnaga watchtower marine Missile turrets for Marineking Combat shield started
9:00 stim started for Polt banshee is deflected by missile turret at the natural +1 armor started for MKP 3rd CC started for Polt +1 attack for bio started for Polt Medivac production begins for both players Polt picking off marines with the banshee
10:00 2nd banshee of polt scouts the 3rd of marineking but the banshee dies to marines the 1st banshee of polt dies after 12 kills Polt adding more rax siege mode almost done for Polt but marineking attacks right before with a stim timing manner mule from mkp
11:00 Polt's who army dies /dance from MKP mkp goes into the natural Polt evacuates into his main the natural OC is targeted down and dies 3rd CC built in the natural is barely saved siege mode finishes
12:00 Marineking 60 supply ahead of polt Mass sensor towers around Polt's base from Marineking CC being built for polt dropship of polt leaves his base and is killed by Marineking's marines
13:00 +1 armor started for polt MKP's tanks are coming out now 2-2 started for Marineking doom drop into Polt's base Marineking killing all of Polt's production Manner CC in Polt's main Polt GGs! Marineking wins game 7 giving Prime the 4-3 lead!
On October 05 2012 20:19 Otolia wrote: I just took one hour of my 1h30min pause to go back home and eat in front of GSTL. Come just in time for Polt versus MKP.
\o/
Well ... Thank you MKP for being a douche and making this game pathetic and unwatchable ...
Plot still needs some work, his game against Creator was nice but Marineking a player who has actually won a tournament is way too much for him right now.
On October 05 2012 20:19 Otolia wrote: I just took one hour of my 1h30min pause to go back home and eat in front of GSTL. Come just in time for Polt versus MKP.
\o/
Well ... Thank you MKP for being a douche and making this game pathetic and unwatchable ...
You really jinxed it by bragging about your "success kid" skills!
On October 05 2012 20:24 Dodgin wrote: Plot still needs some work, his game against Creator was nice but Marineking a player who has actually won a tournament is way too much for him right now.
he showed some good game sense for a rising prospect through.
On October 05 2012 20:19 Otolia wrote: I just took one hour of my 1h30min pause to go back home and eat in front of GSTL. Come just in time for Polt versus MKP.
\o/
Well ... Thank you MKP for being a douche and making this game pathetic and unwatchable ...
You really jinxed it by bragging about your "success kid" skills!
You should thanks my computer for giving you a free win on ladder by the way!
On October 05 2012 20:24 Dodgin wrote: Plot still needs some work, his game against Creator was nice but Marineking a player who has actually won a tournament is way too much for him right now.
Yeah that Polt. Never won a single GSL, unlike Marineking. /s
On October 05 2012 20:24 Dodgin wrote: Plot still needs some work, his game against Creator was nice but Marineking a player who has actually won a tournament is way too much for him right now.
On October 05 2012 20:24 Dodgin wrote: Plot still needs some work, his game against Creator was nice but Marineking a player who has actually won a tournament is way too much for him right now.
I don't know if you're serious or not. I'm baiting!
Creator IS a player that actually has won a tournament, WCS Korea. One of the most stacked tournies up to date.
On October 05 2012 20:19 Otolia wrote: I just took one hour of my 1h30min pause to go back home and eat in front of GSTL. Come just in time for Polt versus MKP.
\o/
Well ... Thank you MKP for being a douche and making this game pathetic and unwatchable ...
On October 05 2012 20:24 Dodgin wrote: Plot still needs some work, his game against Creator was nice but Marineking a player who has actually won a tournament is way too much for him right now.
On October 05 2012 20:19 Otolia wrote: I just took one hour of my 1h30min pause to go back home and eat in front of GSTL. Come just in time for Polt versus MKP.
\o/
Well ... Thank you MKP for being a douche and making this game pathetic and unwatchable ...
You really jinxed it by bragging about your "success kid" skills!
You should thanks my computer for giving you a free win on ladder by the way!
Haha that was you? Can't remember nick. Sat like 5 minutes waiting for load screen, so boring. So no thank you for you!
On October 05 2012 20:24 Dodgin wrote: Plot still needs some work, his game against Creator was nice but Marineking a player who has actually won a tournament is way too much for him right now.
Yeah, and Creator hasn't won any tournaments, right? WCS Kor, anyone?
On October 05 2012 20:19 Otolia wrote: I just took one hour of my 1h30min pause to go back home and eat in front of GSTL. Come just in time for Polt versus MKP.
\o/
Well ... Thank you MKP for being a douche and making this game pathetic and unwatchable ...
You really jinxed it by bragging about your "success kid" skills!
On October 05 2012 20:24 Dodgin wrote: Plot still needs some work, his game against Creator was nice but Marineking a player who has actually won a tournament is way too much for him right now.
Yeah, and Creator hasn't won any tournaments, right? WCS Kor, anyone?
On October 05 2012 20:24 Dodgin wrote: Plot still needs some work, his game against Creator was nice but Marineking a player who has actually won a tournament is way too much for him right now.
Yeah, and Creator hasn't won any tournaments, right? WCS Kor, anyone?
On October 05 2012 20:24 Dodgin wrote: Plot still needs some work, his game against Creator was nice but Marineking a player who has actually won a tournament is way too much for him right now.
Yeah, and Creator hasn't won any tournaments, right? WCS Kor, anyone?
And the Ptol thickens.
No wait thats not his name... what is it again? Potl?
On October 05 2012 20:24 Dodgin wrote: Plot still needs some work, his game against Creator was nice but Marineking a player who has actually won a tournament is way too much for him right now.
Yeah that Polt. Never won a single GSL, unlike Marineking. /s
lol, u totally fell for the bait, see how he spelt polt?
On October 05 2012 20:24 Dodgin wrote: Plot still needs some work, his game against Creator was nice but Marineking a player who has actually won a tournament is way too much for him right now.
Yeah, and Creator hasn't won any tournaments, right? WCS Kor, anyone?
On October 05 2012 20:24 Dodgin wrote: Plot still needs some work, his game against Creator was nice but Marineking a player who has actually won a tournament is way too much for him right now.
O.o Creator won WCS Korea and Tsl 4.
I chose my words poorly, I meant to say he played a nice game against Creator but unlike Plot, Marineking is a Terran who has won tournaments so he was not able to beat him in a mirror matchup.
On October 05 2012 20:24 Dodgin wrote: Plot still needs some work, his game against Creator was nice but Marineking a player who has actually won a tournament is way too much for him right now.
Yeah, and Creator hasn't won any tournaments, right? WCS Kor, anyone?
On October 05 2012 20:24 Dodgin wrote: Plot still needs some work, his game against Creator was nice but Marineking a player who has actually won a tournament is way too much for him right now.
O.o Creator won WCS Korea and Tsl 4.
I chose my words poorly, I meant to say he played a nice game against Creator but unlike Plot, Marineking is a Terran who has won tournaments so he was not able to beat him in a mirror matchup.
On October 05 2012 20:29 THM wrote: Hmmm, my GOM just stopped suddenly right when polt vs foxer finished. Now it gives me the "Cannot play this media file" error and can't start.
Anyone else have this problem and know a solution?
close gomplayer and go to http://www.gomtv.net/ and open the new stream link it seems to change sometimes
On October 05 2012 20:24 Dodgin wrote: Plot still needs some work, his game against Creator was nice but Marineking a player who has actually won a tournament is way too much for him right now.
Yeah, and Creator hasn't won any tournaments, right? WCS Kor, anyone?
And the Ptol thickens.
No wait thats not his name... what is it again? Potl?
TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 8 TSL 3 - 4 Prime Symbol vs MarineKing Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 Symbol spawns in the top right MarineKing spawns in the bottom left
1:30 slightly forward rax at the top of the natural ramp with the rocks from MKP
2:00 2nd rax added next to it Hatch first for Symbol Drone scouts the double rax
2:45 Pool from Symbol
3:30 Marineking pushing across the map with his first marine and an scv Symbol pulls down about half his drones to stop any bunker attempts
4:00 CC from Marineking on the low ground Symbol's drones are chasing the marine back to the center of the map spine building for Symbol in his natural 3rd CC for Marineking on the high ground 8 lings were made but MKP completely backs off
5:00 Marineking relocates his barracks, 1 to the choke outside the natural and another to the main 2 more barracks added on to wall off the natural choke 2 gas from Symbol
TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 8 TSL 3 - 4 Prime Symbol vs MarineKing Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 Symbol spawns in the top right MarineKing spawns in the bottom left
1:30 slightly forward rax at the top of the natural ramp with the rocks from MKP
2:00 2nd rax added next to it Hatch first for Symbol Drone scouts the double rax
2:45 Pool from Symbol
3:30 Marineking pushing across the map with his first marine and an scv Symbol pulls down about half his drones to stop any bunker attempts
4:00 CC from Marineking on the low ground Symbol's drones are chasing the marine back to the center of the map spine building for Symbol in his natural 3rd CC for Marineking on the high ground 8 lings were made but MKP completely backs off
5:00 Marineking relocates his barracks, 1 to the choke outside the natural and another to the main 2 more barracks added on to wall off the natural choke 2 gas from Symbol
6:00 2 gas for Marineking tech lab for Marineking on the rax in the Main ling speed started for Symbol
7:00 Marineking going up to 4 gas stim research started for Marineking Roach warren for Symbol double ebay from Marineking Marauder production started Bunker going up in Marineking's natural 1-1 started for Marineking's bio
8:00 Roach production begins -- 11 roaches on the way baneling nest started for Symbol factory started for Marineking
9:00 Marineking adding on 2 reactors Marineking floats one of his wall off rax into his main opening his wall to add a tech lab double digit banelings building for symbol outside of Marineking's natural Symbol attacks into the natural Stim finishes Marineking doesnt split and loses almost all his bio right away to banelings
10:00 Marineking loses all his natural scvs marineking runs scvs into banelings marineking has 7 scvs left a medivac comes out
11:00 marineking down to 17 supply marineking picks up his 2 marauders and a hellion for some reason manner hatch from symbol Marineking ggs! Symbol ties it up 4-4 for TSL!
Well Marineking doesn't get his revenge. Hope he doesn't start slumping like DRG did after losing important games in GSL and GSTL in a short period of time.
On October 05 2012 20:49 Dodgin wrote: I have to say the games today have been mostly terrible and one sided, nice matchups player name wise but just not good games at all.
On October 05 2012 20:49 Dodgin wrote: I have to say the games today have been mostly terrible and one sided, nice matchups player name wise but just not good games at all.
Yeah, they are taking turns to cheese eachother. >_<
On October 05 2012 20:50 Fjodorov wrote: Would it be possible to hold that if he had rushed to siege tanks?
Of course. He just did that build because he knows: a) MKP always plays greedy b) MKP would be unstoppable after the successful 2rax pressure if he was left to macro untouched.
I am surprised that MKP lost this, the counter was so obvious... Expecially from Symbol!
On October 05 2012 20:50 Fjodorov wrote: Would it be possible to hold that if he had rushed to siege tanks?
Of course. He just did that build because he knows: a) MKP always plays greedy b) MKP would be unstoppable after the successful 2rax pressure if he was left to macro untouched.
I am surprised that MKP lost this, the counter was so obvious... Expecially from Symbol!
Recently we see players do these early pressures and then not scout afterwards. :/
Aww yissss, Byunjwa. The last time Byun and Symbol met in OSL Dual tournament was an absolutely amazing game, even though Byun lost a game he had in the bag because of one terrible engagement.
On October 05 2012 20:53 Fragile51 wrote: Aww yissss, Byunjwa. The last time Byun and Symbol met in OSL Dual tournament was an absolutely amazing game, even though Byun lost a game he had in the bag because of one terrible engagement.
On October 05 2012 20:50 Fjodorov wrote: Would it be possible to hold that if he had rushed to siege tanks?
He could had held that with his own bio units here. Just had to don't take the slow banes in stimed marines :/ ( i guess he was micro'ing the litlle bio faction on the right ), hit and run them to death, then pull SCV when all banes are dead, then with upgrades advantage and 3rd CC he just win even if he loose like 20 scv....
In fact with his wall non-lifted and his stim timing, he could had held that easy. Btw addons placement are really an issue :/
TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 9 TSL 4 - 4 Prime Symbol vs ByuN Map: Abyssal City
0:00 Symbol spawns to the right ByuN spawns to the left
2:00 hatch first from Symbol CC first from ByuN
2:45 Pool for Symbol
3:00 rax for Byun gas for Byun
4:00 2nd gas for Byun factory for Byun
5:00 bunker going up in Byun's natural reactor lining up with the factory Starport Byun reactored hellion production begins 3rd base started for Symbol
6:00 cloak started for Byun banshee production begins double evo from Symbol
7:00 ling speed started for Symbol Symbol taking 2 more gas 3rd CC started for Byun +1 carapace started for Symbol sporecrawlers started for Symbol double ebay for Byun
8:00 stim research started for Byun banshee and hellions attacking at the 3rd base of Symbol 5 queens are there to defend no detection nearby for Symbol Symbol transfusing his queens to keep them alive 2 queens fall
9:00 Lair on the way for Symbol +1 melee on the way for Symbol 1-1 starts for Byun baneling nest started for Symbol siege tank production begins for Byun
Death note is brilliant. Not generally an anime fan but have watched it twice and it's really really good. The latter bit (after certain character dies) is less good though.
TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 9 TSL 4 - 4 Prime Symbol vs ByuN Map: Abyssal City
0:00 Symbol spawns to the right ByuN spawns to the left
2:00 hatch first from Symbol CC first from ByuN
2:45 Pool for Symbol
3:00 rax for Byun gas for Byun
4:00 2nd gas for Byun factory for Byun
5:00 bunker going up in Byun's natural reactor lining up with the factory Starport Byun reactored hellion production begins 3rd base started for Symbol
6:00 cloak started for Byun banshee production begins double evo from Symbol
7:00 ling speed started for Symbol Symbol taking 2 more gas 3rd CC started for Byun +1 carapace started for Symbol sporecrawlers started for Symbol double ebay for Byun
8:00 stim research started for Byun banshee and hellions attacking at the 3rd base of Symbol 5 queens are there to defend no detection nearby for Symbol Symbol transfusing his queens to keep them alive 2 queens fall
9:00 Lair on the way for Symbol +1 melee on the way for Symbol 1-1 starts for Byun baneling nest started for Symbol siege tank production begins for Byun
10:00 roach warren and infestation pit started for Symbol armory on the way for Byun macro hatch for Symbol Byun cleaning up creep in the middle of the map with hellions +1 range attack started for Symbol
11:00 ling runby at the 3rd of Byun chases the scvs away Queens pick off a banshee +2 melee and +2 carapace starts for Symbol (3 evos now) baneling speed started for Symbol pathogen glands started for symbol burrow research started for symbol 2-2 started for Byun +1 vehicle weapons started for Byun
12:00 infestor production begins 2nd factory started for Byun medivac production underway combat shields started
13:00 Hive starts for Symbol 3 more rax for Byun 4th base for Symbol at the bottom right Byun cleaning up more creep +2 vehicle weapons started for Byun
On October 05 2012 21:01 rothsbury wrote: Death note is brilliant. Not generally an anime fan but have watched it twice and it's really really good. The latter bit (after certain character dies) is less good though.
Yeah, same here. I've watched the majors (Bebop, Champloo etc.) and DeathNote would definitely be in my Top 2.
TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 9 TSL 4 - 4 Prime Symbol vs ByuN Map: Abyssal City
0:00 Symbol spawns to the right ByuN spawns to the left
2:00 hatch first from Symbol CC first from ByuN
2:45 Pool for Symbol
3:00 rax for Byun gas for Byun
4:00 2nd gas for Byun factory for Byun
5:00 bunker going up in Byun's natural reactor lining up with the factory Starport Byun reactored hellion production begins 3rd base started for Symbol
6:00 cloak started for Byun banshee production begins double evo from Symbol
7:00 ling speed started for Symbol Symbol taking 2 more gas 3rd CC started for Byun +1 carapace started for Symbol sporecrawlers started for Symbol double ebay for Byun
8:00 stim research started for Byun banshee and hellions attacking at the 3rd base of Symbol 5 queens are there to defend no detection nearby for Symbol Symbol transfusing his queens to keep them alive 2 queens fall
9:00 Lair on the way for Symbol +1 melee on the way for Symbol 1-1 starts for Byun baneling nest started for Symbol siege tank production begins for Byun
10:00 roach warren and infestation pit started for Symbol armory on the way for Byun macro hatch for Symbol Byun cleaning up creep in the middle of the map with hellions +1 range attack started for Symbol
11:00 ling runby at the 3rd of Byun chases the scvs away Queens pick off a banshee +2 melee and +2 carapace starts for Symbol (3 evos now) baneling speed started for Symbol pathogen glands started for symbol burrow research started for symbol 2-2 started for Byun +1 vehicle weapons started for Byun
12:00 infestor production begins 2nd factory started for Byun medivac production underway combat shields started
13:00 Hive starts for Symbol 3 more rax for Byun 4th base for Symbol at the bottom right Byun cleaning up more creep +2 vehicle weapons started for Byun
14:00 Symbol up 92 - 74 in harvesters Overlord speed started for Symbol Marines cleaning up more creep burrowed infestors pop up and hit the marines and medivacs with fungal infested terran kill the medivacs
15:00 3-3 melee carapace starts for Symbol adrenal glands starts for Symbol ultralisk caverns starts for Symbol 3-3 starts for Byun 4th CC started for Byun Fungals grab part of Byun's army and symbol kills a few tanks
16:00 byun taking the center of the map
17:00 ultralisk production begins chitinous plating being researched drop in Symbol's main is repelled by lings and banes medivac is fungaled and killed 5th CC started for Byun 5th base started for Symbol Concussive shells started for Byun +3 vehicle attacks started for Byun Burrowed banelings waiting in a future mineral line for Byun's 6th base which is just started building
18:00 Marauder production begin ramped up Autotracking and building armor for Byun
Dear Wolf. You cannot drop marines from a medivac that is fungalled, unless they are already dropping when it happens. Like wise you cannot stop a drop if you get fungalled while it is under way. Am i wrong?
On October 05 2012 21:08 Mambo wrote: Dear Wolf. You cannot drop marines from a medivac that is fungalled, unless they are already dropping when it happens. Like wise you cannot stop a drop if you get fungalled while it is under way. Am i wrong?
sure man click drop button and then left click on medivac and he will drop even if fungaled
On October 05 2012 21:08 Mambo wrote: Dear Wolf. You cannot drop marines from a medivac that is fungalled, unless they are already dropping when it happens. Like wise you cannot stop a drop if you get fungalled while it is under way. Am i wrong?
I think you're wrong on the first part and correct on the second part.
Why didn't Byun make the starports for the blord transition when he was maxed with like a 2k bank? He must have anticipated it... this might be the death of him.
TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 9 TSL 4 - 4 Prime Symbol vs ByuN Map: Abyssal City
0:00 Symbol spawns to the right ByuN spawns to the left
2:00 hatch first from Symbol CC first from ByuN
2:45 Pool for Symbol
3:00 rax for Byun gas for Byun
4:00 2nd gas for Byun factory for Byun
5:00 bunker going up in Byun's natural reactor lining up with the factory Starport Byun reactored hellion production begins 3rd base started for Symbol
6:00 cloak started for Byun banshee production begins double evo from Symbol
7:00 ling speed started for Symbol Symbol taking 2 more gas 3rd CC started for Byun +1 carapace started for Symbol sporecrawlers started for Symbol double ebay for Byun
8:00 stim research started for Byun banshee and hellions attacking at the 3rd base of Symbol 5 queens are there to defend no detection nearby for Symbol Symbol transfusing his queens to keep them alive 2 queens fall
9:00 Lair on the way for Symbol +1 melee on the way for Symbol 1-1 starts for Byun baneling nest started for Symbol siege tank production begins for Byun
10:00 roach warren and infestation pit started for Symbol armory on the way for Byun macro hatch for Symbol Byun cleaning up creep in the middle of the map with hellions +1 range attack started for Symbol
11:00 ling runby at the 3rd of Byun chases the scvs away Queens pick off a banshee +2 melee and +2 carapace starts for Symbol (3 evos now) baneling speed started for Symbol pathogen glands started for symbol burrow research started for symbol 2-2 started for Byun +1 vehicle weapons started for Byun
12:00 infestor production begins 2nd factory started for Byun medivac production underway combat shields started
13:00 Hive starts for Symbol 3 more rax for Byun 4th base for Symbol at the bottom right Byun cleaning up more creep +2 vehicle weapons started for Byun
14:00 Symbol up 92 - 74 in harvesters Overlord speed started for Symbol Marines cleaning up more creep burrowed infestors pop up and hit the marines and medivacs with fungal infested terran kill the medivacs
15:00 3-3 melee carapace starts for Symbol adrenal glands starts for Symbol ultralisk caverns starts for Symbol 3-3 starts for Byun 4th CC started for Byun Fungals grab part of Byun's army and symbol kills a few tanks
16:00 byun taking the center of the map
17:00 ultralisk production begins chitinous plating being researched drop in Symbol's main is repelled by lings and banes medivac is fungaled and killed 5th CC started for Byun 5th base started for Symbol Concussive shells started for Byun +3 vehicle attacks started for Byun Burrowed banelings waiting in a future mineral line for Byun's 6th base which is just started building
18:00 Marauder production begin ramped up Autotracking and building armor for Byun
19:00 Byun's army takes out the bottom right base of Symbol Big counterattack from Symbol catches tanks unsieged Byun runs home and Symbol backs off
20:00 spire completes for symbol +2 range attack research started 2 more CCs being added on Greater spire started for Symbol Byun taking another base at the center of the map
21:00 Corrupter production begins Byun setting up sensor towers Drop at the top base of Symbol ling attack cancels the center CC of Byun Defensive planetaries being set up for Byun Symbol saves his top hatchery with his main army
22:00 brood lords begin morphing in Byun adding 4 starports +1 flier attacks started +1 ship weapons started for Byun +3 range attacks started for Symbol another CC being added
23:00 2nd spire being built for Symbol viking production begins Byun sacrificing scvs to free up supply for more vikings
TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 9 TSL 4 - 4 Prime Symbol vs ByuN Map: Abyssal City
0:00 Symbol spawns to the right ByuN spawns to the left
2:00 hatch first from Symbol CC first from ByuN
2:45 Pool for Symbol
3:00 rax for Byun gas for Byun
4:00 2nd gas for Byun factory for Byun
5:00 bunker going up in Byun's natural reactor lining up with the factory Starport Byun reactored hellion production begins 3rd base started for Symbol
6:00 cloak started for Byun banshee production begins double evo from Symbol
7:00 ling speed started for Symbol Symbol taking 2 more gas 3rd CC started for Byun +1 carapace started for Symbol sporecrawlers started for Symbol double ebay for Byun
8:00 stim research started for Byun banshee and hellions attacking at the 3rd base of Symbol 5 queens are there to defend no detection nearby for Symbol Symbol transfusing his queens to keep them alive 2 queens fall
9:00 Lair on the way for Symbol +1 melee on the way for Symbol 1-1 starts for Byun baneling nest started for Symbol siege tank production begins for Byun
10:00 roach warren and infestation pit started for Symbol armory on the way for Byun macro hatch for Symbol Byun cleaning up creep in the middle of the map with hellions +1 range attack started for Symbol
11:00 ling runby at the 3rd of Byun chases the scvs away Queens pick off a banshee +2 melee and +2 carapace starts for Symbol (3 evos now) baneling speed started for Symbol pathogen glands started for symbol burrow research started for symbol 2-2 started for Byun +1 vehicle weapons started for Byun
12:00 infestor production begins 2nd factory started for Byun medivac production underway combat shields started
13:00 Hive starts for Symbol 3 more rax for Byun 4th base for Symbol at the bottom right Byun cleaning up more creep +2 vehicle weapons started for Byun
14:00 Symbol up 92 - 74 in harvesters Overlord speed started for Symbol Marines cleaning up more creep burrowed infestors pop up and hit the marines and medivacs with fungal infested terran kill the medivacs
15:00 3-3 melee carapace starts for Symbol adrenal glands starts for Symbol ultralisk caverns starts for Symbol 3-3 starts for Byun 4th CC started for Byun Fungals grab part of Byun's army and symbol kills a few tanks
16:00 byun taking the center of the map
17:00 ultralisk production begins chitinous plating being researched drop in Symbol's main is repelled by lings and banes medivac is fungaled and killed 5th CC started for Byun 5th base started for Symbol Concussive shells started for Byun +3 vehicle attacks started for Byun Burrowed banelings waiting in a future mineral line for Byun's 6th base which is just started building
18:00 Marauder production begin ramped up Autotracking and building armor for Byun
19:00 Byun's army takes out the bottom right base of Symbol Big counterattack from Symbol catches tanks unsieged Byun runs home and Symbol backs off
20:00 spire completes for symbol +2 range attack research started 2 more CCs being added on Greater spire started for Symbol Byun taking another base at the center of the map
21:00 Corrupter production begins Byun setting up sensor towers Drop at the top base of Symbol ling attack cancels the center CC of Byun Defensive planetaries being set up for Byun Symbol saves his top hatchery with his main army
22:00 brood lords begin morphing in Byun adding 4 starports +1 flier attacks started +1 ship weapons started for Byun +3 range attacks started for Symbol another CC being added
23:00 2nd spire being built for Symbol viking production begins Byun sacrificing scvs to free up supply for more vikings
24:00 Symbol pushing the bottom base of Byun Corrupters picking off a few vikings brood lords move in but vikings chase htem back fungals hit a few vikings drop at the top base of Symbol
25:00 Drop is cleaned up fungals on the bio of Byun Symbol moves his main army in Symbol with a much bigger bank than Byun 10 more corrupters being built
26:00 some mystery SQ quality number of brood lords being morphed (something like 5 6 or 8) 2-1 air upgrades started for Byun more infestors being added for Symbol 3 more brood lords morphing
On October 05 2012 21:14 Badfatpanda wrote: This is such an ace match, so many team matches are going to ace recently, making it really enjoyable for fans
Yeah, too bad almost all the other games today were way below what I expected :/
TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 9 TSL 4 - 4 Prime Symbol vs ByuN Map: Abyssal City
0:00 Symbol spawns to the right ByuN spawns to the left
2:00 hatch first from Symbol CC first from ByuN
2:45 Pool for Symbol
3:00 rax for Byun gas for Byun
4:00 2nd gas for Byun factory for Byun
5:00 bunker going up in Byun's natural reactor lining up with the factory Starport Byun reactored hellion production begins 3rd base started for Symbol
6:00 cloak started for Byun banshee production begins double evo from Symbol
7:00 ling speed started for Symbol Symbol taking 2 more gas 3rd CC started for Byun +1 carapace started for Symbol sporecrawlers started for Symbol double ebay for Byun
8:00 stim research started for Byun banshee and hellions attacking at the 3rd base of Symbol 5 queens are there to defend no detection nearby for Symbol Symbol transfusing his queens to keep them alive 2 queens fall
9:00 Lair on the way for Symbol +1 melee on the way for Symbol 1-1 starts for Byun baneling nest started for Symbol siege tank production begins for Byun
10:00 roach warren and infestation pit started for Symbol armory on the way for Byun macro hatch for Symbol Byun cleaning up creep in the middle of the map with hellions +1 range attack started for Symbol
11:00 ling runby at the 3rd of Byun chases the scvs away Queens pick off a banshee +2 melee and +2 carapace starts for Symbol (3 evos now) baneling speed started for Symbol pathogen glands started for symbol burrow research started for symbol 2-2 started for Byun +1 vehicle weapons started for Byun
12:00 infestor production begins 2nd factory started for Byun medivac production underway combat shields started
13:00 Hive starts for Symbol 3 more rax for Byun 4th base for Symbol at the bottom right Byun cleaning up more creep +2 vehicle weapons started for Byun
14:00 Symbol up 92 - 74 in harvesters Overlord speed started for Symbol Marines cleaning up more creep burrowed infestors pop up and hit the marines and medivacs with fungal infested terran kill the medivacs
15:00 3-3 melee carapace starts for Symbol adrenal glands starts for Symbol ultralisk caverns starts for Symbol 3-3 starts for Byun 4th CC started for Byun Fungals grab part of Byun's army and symbol kills a few tanks
16:00 byun taking the center of the map
17:00 ultralisk production begins chitinous plating being researched drop in Symbol's main is repelled by lings and banes medivac is fungaled and killed 5th CC started for Byun 5th base started for Symbol Concussive shells started for Byun +3 vehicle attacks started for Byun Burrowed banelings waiting in a future mineral line for Byun's 6th base which is just started building
18:00 Marauder production begin ramped up Autotracking and building armor for Byun
19:00 Byun's army takes out the bottom right base of Symbol Big counterattack from Symbol catches tanks unsieged Byun runs home and Symbol backs off
20:00 spire completes for symbol +2 range attack research started 2 more CCs being added on Greater spire started for Symbol Byun taking another base at the center of the map
21:00 Corrupter production begins Byun setting up sensor towers Drop at the top base of Symbol ling attack cancels the center CC of Byun Defensive planetaries being set up for Byun Symbol saves his top hatchery with his main army
22:00 brood lords begin morphing in Byun adding 4 starports +1 flier attacks started +1 ship weapons started for Byun +3 range attacks started for Symbol another CC being added
23:00 2nd spire being built for Symbol viking production begins Byun sacrificing scvs to free up supply for more vikings
24:00 Symbol pushing the bottom base of Byun Corrupters picking off a few vikings brood lords move in but vikings chase htem back fungals hit a few vikings drop at the top base of Symbol
25:00 Drop is cleaned up fungals on the bio of Byun Symbol moves his main army in Symbol with a much bigger bank than Byun 10 more corrupters being built
26:00 some mystery SQ quality number of brood lords being morphed (something like 5 6 or 8) 2-1 air upgrades started for Byun more infestors being added for Symbol 3 more brood lords morphing
27:00 a medivac dies but it was empty
28:00 byun throws away some more scvs to free up supply small bio force cleaning up more creep causes Symbol to back off 13 brood lords are out with 4 ultras and 7 infestors
29:00 drop at Symbol's top base is cleaned up by the main army Byun over 30 vikings
30:00 Byun engages the brood lords Vikings are spread in a huge arc so fungals cant hit them all corrupters are all dead infested terran kill a lot of vikings ultras attacking byun's planetary Byun has to land his vikings to defend he lifts htem as the broods show up
31:00 queens transfusing ultras to keep them alive Byun trying to gather reinforcements Byun has almost no mining
That was really stupid. Byun spreads vikings, has so many vikings he should easily kill zerg air army, but zerg has free +2 marines so whatevs. Would really like to see IT cost more / do less damage (I say this as a zerg).
TSL vs Prime GSTL Game 9 TSL 4 - 4 Prime Symbol vs ByuN Map: Abyssal City
0:00 Symbol spawns to the right ByuN spawns to the left
2:00 hatch first from Symbol CC first from ByuN
2:45 Pool for Symbol
3:00 rax for Byun gas for Byun
4:00 2nd gas for Byun factory for Byun
5:00 bunker going up in Byun's natural reactor lining up with the factory Starport Byun reactored hellion production begins 3rd base started for Symbol
6:00 cloak started for Byun banshee production begins double evo from Symbol
7:00 ling speed started for Symbol Symbol taking 2 more gas 3rd CC started for Byun +1 carapace started for Symbol sporecrawlers started for Symbol double ebay for Byun
8:00 stim research started for Byun banshee and hellions attacking at the 3rd base of Symbol 5 queens are there to defend no detection nearby for Symbol Symbol transfusing his queens to keep them alive 2 queens fall
9:00 Lair on the way for Symbol +1 melee on the way for Symbol 1-1 starts for Byun baneling nest started for Symbol siege tank production begins for Byun
10:00 roach warren and infestation pit started for Symbol armory on the way for Byun macro hatch for Symbol Byun cleaning up creep in the middle of the map with hellions +1 range attack started for Symbol
11:00 ling runby at the 3rd of Byun chases the scvs away Queens pick off a banshee +2 melee and +2 carapace starts for Symbol (3 evos now) baneling speed started for Symbol pathogen glands started for symbol burrow research started for symbol 2-2 started for Byun +1 vehicle weapons started for Byun
12:00 infestor production begins 2nd factory started for Byun medivac production underway combat shields started
13:00 Hive starts for Symbol 3 more rax for Byun 4th base for Symbol at the bottom right Byun cleaning up more creep +2 vehicle weapons started for Byun
14:00 Symbol up 92 - 74 in harvesters Overlord speed started for Symbol Marines cleaning up more creep burrowed infestors pop up and hit the marines and medivacs with fungal infested terran kill the medivacs
15:00 3-3 melee carapace starts for Symbol adrenal glands starts for Symbol ultralisk caverns starts for Symbol 3-3 starts for Byun 4th CC started for Byun Fungals grab part of Byun's army and symbol kills a few tanks
16:00 byun taking the center of the map
17:00 ultralisk production begins chitinous plating being researched drop in Symbol's main is repelled by lings and banes medivac is fungaled and killed 5th CC started for Byun 5th base started for Symbol Concussive shells started for Byun +3 vehicle attacks started for Byun Burrowed banelings waiting in a future mineral line for Byun's 6th base which is just started building
18:00 Marauder production begin ramped up Autotracking and building armor for Byun
19:00 Byun's army takes out the bottom right base of Symbol Big counterattack from Symbol catches tanks unsieged Byun runs home and Symbol backs off
20:00 spire completes for symbol +2 range attack research started 2 more CCs being added on Greater spire started for Symbol Byun taking another base at the center of the map
21:00 Corrupter production begins Byun setting up sensor towers Drop at the top base of Symbol ling attack cancels the center CC of Byun Defensive planetaries being set up for Byun Symbol saves his top hatchery with his main army
22:00 brood lords begin morphing in Byun adding 4 starports +1 flier attacks started +1 ship weapons started for Byun +3 range attacks started for Symbol another CC being added
23:00 2nd spire being built for Symbol viking production begins Byun sacrificing scvs to free up supply for more vikings
24:00 Symbol pushing the bottom base of Byun Corrupters picking off a few vikings brood lords move in but vikings chase htem back fungals hit a few vikings drop at the top base of Symbol
25:00 Drop is cleaned up fungals on the bio of Byun Symbol moves his main army in Symbol with a much bigger bank than Byun 10 more corrupters being built
26:00 some mystery SQ quality number of brood lords being morphed (something like 5 6 or 8) 2-1 air upgrades started for Byun more infestors being added for Symbol 3 more brood lords morphing
27:00 a medivac dies but it was empty
28:00 byun throws away some more scvs to free up supply small bio force cleaning up more creep causes Symbol to back off 13 brood lords are out with 4 ultras and 7 infestors
29:00 drop at Symbol's top base is cleaned up by the main army Byun over 30 vikings
30:00 Byun engages the brood lords Vikings are spread in a huge arc so fungals cant hit them all corrupters are all dead infested terran kill a lot of vikings ultras attacking byun's planetary Byun has to land his vikings to defend he lifts htem as the broods show up
31:00 queens transfusing ultras to keep them alive Byun trying to gather reinforcements Byun has almost no mining
32:00 Byun loses another CC Army of Byun is fungaled and hit by banelings Byun GGs! Symbol wins game 9 giving TSL the 5-4 Victory!
On October 05 2012 21:17 X3GoldDot wrote: this is what happens when terrans dont change their style and never use ravens........ravens are so cost efficient i wonder why not......
ravens do not help vs infestors or ultras.
ravens are good in pure airfights if the zerg ONLY has corruptor broodlord.
On October 05 2012 21:17 X3GoldDot wrote: this is what happens when terrans dont change their style and never use ravens........ravens are so cost efficient i wonder why not......
Always like this. T evolves, Z reacts, Z evolves, T reacts, T evolves... Just takes long time for more players to get that what theyve been doing for a while has been figured out and adapted to.
On October 05 2012 21:17 X3GoldDot wrote: this is what happens when terrans dont change their style and never use ravens........ravens are so cost efficient i wonder why not......
Always like this. T evolves, Z reacts, Z evolves, T reacts, T evolves... Just takes long time for more players to get that what theyve been doing for a while has been figured out and adapted to.
On October 05 2012 21:16 KiNGxXx wrote: OMG I can't write down what I feel right now -.-
Wolf: He made too many vikings he has 14 left
*Symbol has like 8-10 broods left* Wut?
It wasn't about the number of Broods left. It was just that you need a ground army to support your Vikings, and the Infested Terrans forced Byun back.
If Byun had gone for Thors and possibly even Ravens, it would have allowed him to tank a lot more damage and deal with the Infestors and Infested Terrans better allowing Byun's Vikings to stay in battle to kill off the Brood Lords.
On October 05 2012 21:17 X3GoldDot wrote: this is what happens when terrans dont change their style and never use ravens........ravens are so cost efficient i wonder why not......
Ravens are awful against a competent player using infestors, there is nothing you can do against them, fungal shuts them down so hard and corrupters slaughter them.
On October 05 2012 21:18 HaXXspetten wrote: Byun threw that pretty hard, I mean really, >30 vikings? How 'bout replacing half with 2 thors and the rest bio lol
glad Symbol won though
Because bio would of done loads against mass Infestor and Queen, right?
There is no absolutely reason to watch 32 vikings with 2/1 upgrades lose against a handful of units and say oh should of made Marauders.
If he went Ravens, he wouldn't have had enough anti air to hold off the initial push. They take too long to build and too long to get enough energy. He didn't have the economy to be adding lots of thors as well. He could have started adding ravens after holding the initial push, but that would have given Symbol so much time to prepare for them.
I think 4 supply broodlord just allow too many supporting units, which is in completely contrast to the Ultra. Thus, ultralisk combo feels more manageable while BL combo just feels overwhelming. >.< Regardless epic game! Gg symbol!
Sad about the ending but at least we had a pretty good game to end it all in a game 9 :/ Prime just cant seem to put it together in team leagues like they did when they won the triple crown
On October 05 2012 21:21 Grumbels wrote: how about ghosts? nukes would have deterred symbol
This was already answered by Taeja, a full Ultralisk transition will just outright destroy him
People thought ghost were an option against infestor/brood after nerf? I thought that was always a troll haha
ghosts can EMP too, its a matter of getting to an insanely expensive unbeatable raven thor viking ghost army which is pretty much almost impossible to do.
Funny that everyone complain about Zerg lategame in ZvT, while the only zerg who advanced this week in GSL is the one that didn't try to go to lategame.
On October 05 2012 21:25 Orek wrote: Inevitable balance discussion when Zerg wins.
Terran wins = This Terran is better Zerg wins = Zerg OP is the current metagame in forums. It would take some time to shift this metagame.
This is very frustrating. When Mvp and Taeja won in the late game (dealing fine with infestor/Brood) all I read was how good they were. Now Symbol doesn't get the same credit because all the Terrans want to balance whine to make excuses for their own bad play. So sad
On October 05 2012 21:26 Vanadiel wrote: Funny that everyone complain about Zerg lategame in ZvT, while the only zerg who advanced this week in GSL is the one that didn't try to go to lategame.
On October 05 2012 21:25 Orek wrote: Inevitable balance discussion when Zerg wins.
Terran wins = This Terran is better Zerg wins = Zerg OP is the current metagame in forums. It would take some time to shift this metagame.
This is very frustrating. When Mvp and Taeja won in the late game (dealing fine with infestor/Brood) all I read was how good they were. Now Symbol doesn't get the same credit because all the Terrans want to balance whine to make excuses for their own bad play. So sad
Leenock destroyed Taeja, did you not watch Cloud Kingdom?
Taeja was probably lucky to win the series if Leenock didn't try some strange double Roach Warren build in the middle of a ro8 finals.
On October 05 2012 21:26 Vanadiel wrote: Funny that everyone complain about Zerg lategame in ZvT, while the only zerg who advanced this week in GSL is the one that didn't try to go to lategame.
In my opinion if Life had gone against a more cerebral player of the same caliber he would have had a tougher time, and probably would have lost.
Despite Taeja saying that ghost would be useless against an ultra transition, I still think 2-3 well placed nukes around the slow brood army to destroy them, then preemptively transitioning into marauders right as the ultras start getting build can counter the transition. And considering Terran will already have a few tech labs on barracks for ghosts, transitioning marauder shouldn't be too hard.
Reason you will always hear "The Terran was better" is because they managed to stay at the top despite not getting a single buff and only nerfs since launch.
Same reason why terms like Patch Zergs exist with no equivalent for T.
Ghost = glass cannons that need be in the front lines = not good if your opponent has detection.
The reason ghosts were viable with snipe was that they can actually snipe BLs from a distance and have tanks/marines protect them. If they are used just for anti-infestor, they basically need to run up and hope they get there EMP's off before they get killed by broodlings. And like Taeja pointed out, if you get a lot of ghosts to make sure you get EMPs off, an Ultra transition will kill you.
I know a lot of us like to theorycraft how 3-4 ghosts can EMP the entire infestor/Queen ball and the terran can a-move their army to win. But seeing so few top pros use them probably means it is just not effective OR it is so difficult to pull off that they would take their chances with vikings. And if top koreans like Taeja, Byun, Mvp, MKP have problems using it, it is probably pretty damn difficult.
On October 05 2012 21:25 Orek wrote: Inevitable balance discussion when Zerg wins.
Terran wins = This Terran is better Zerg wins = Zerg OP is the current metagame in forums. It would take some time to shift this metagame.
This is very frustrating. When Mvp and Taeja won in the late game (dealing fine with infestor/Brood) all I read was how good they were. Now Symbol doesn't get the same credit because all the Terrans want to balance whine to make excuses for their own bad play. So sad
Leenock destroyed Taeja, did you not watch Cloud Kingdom?
Taeja was probably lucky to win the series if Leenock didn't try some strange double Roach Warren build in the middle of a ro8 finals.
On October 05 2012 21:21 Grumbels wrote: how about ghosts? nukes would have deterred symbol
This was already answered by Taeja, a full Ultralisk transition will just outright destroy him
People thought ghost were an option against infestor/brood after nerf? I thought that was always a troll haha
you need two ghosts and two ghost academies in order to use nukes, it's not a "lol are you trolling???" question, it won't destroy your chances against ultra transitions. just because taeja answered with a oneliner about a specific situation doesn't invalidate the idea
On October 05 2012 21:25 Orek wrote: Inevitable balance discussion when Zerg wins.
Terran wins = This Terran is better Zerg wins = Zerg OP is the current metagame in forums. It would take some time to shift this metagame.
This is very frustrating. When Mvp and Taeja won in the late game (dealing fine with infestor/Brood) all I read was how good they were. Now Symbol doesn't get the same credit because all the Terrans want to balance whine to make excuses for their own bad play. So sad
Leenock destroyed Taeja, did you not watch Cloud Kingdom?
Taeja was probably lucky to win the series if Leenock didn't try some strange double Roach Warren build in the middle of a ro8 finals.
Didn't watch game four?
Irrelevant, the scenario's were different. Try again.
On October 05 2012 21:31 S_SienZ wrote: Reason you will always hear "The Terran was better" is because they managed to stay at the top despite not getting a single buff and only nerfs since launch.
Same reason why terms like Patch Zergs exist with no equivalent for T.
This isn't true and your argument is stupid. T was horribly op so they got nerfed. Just because the Terrans that had success when the game was unbalanced doesn't mean they are better to still be around when it is.
On October 05 2012 21:25 Orek wrote: Inevitable balance discussion when Zerg wins.
Terran wins = This Terran is better Zerg wins = Zerg OP is the current metagame in forums. It would take some time to shift this metagame.
This is very frustrating. When Mvp and Taeja won in the late game (dealing fine with infestor/Brood) all I read was how good they were. Now Symbol doesn't get the same credit because all the Terrans want to balance whine to make excuses for their own bad play. So sad
Leenock destroyed Taeja, did you not watch Cloud Kingdom?
Taeja was probably lucky to win the series if Leenock didn't try some strange double Roach Warren build in the middle of a ro8 finals.
Didn't watch game four?
Irrelevant, the scenario's were different. Try again.
The scenarios are different in every game. When the games went late they both had success/
On October 05 2012 21:31 S_SienZ wrote: Reason you will always hear "The Terran was better" is because they managed to stay at the top despite not getting a single buff and only nerfs since launch.
Same reason why terms like Patch Zergs exist with no equivalent for T.
This isn't true and your argument is stupid. T was horribly op so they got nerfed. Just because the Terrans that had success when the game was unbalanced doesn't mean they are better to still be around when it is.
Even though I more or less agree with your opinion above, you shouldn't state things in such an antagonistic way. This is why internet arguments are never resolved.
On October 05 2012 21:21 Grumbels wrote: how about ghosts? nukes would have deterred symbol
This was already answered by Taeja, a full Ultralisk transition will just outright destroy him
People thought ghost were an option against infestor/brood after nerf? I thought that was always a troll haha
you need two ghosts and two ghost academies in order to use nukes, it's not a "lol are you trolling???" question, it won't destroy your chances against ultra transitions. just because taeja answered with a oneliner about a specific situation doesn't invalidate the idea
Well it does make Ghosts pointless, what are you meant to do with them once Ultralisks are out when it takes 22 snipes to kill 1 Ultralisk?
My solution personally would be removing the Transfuse spell, it's complete utter bs running around with 6 queens with Full energy
On October 05 2012 21:21 Grumbels wrote: how about ghosts? nukes would have deterred symbol
This was already answered by Taeja, a full Ultralisk transition will just outright destroy him
People thought ghost were an option against infestor/brood after nerf? I thought that was always a troll haha
you need two ghosts and two ghost academies in order to use nukes, it's not a "lol are you trolling???" question, it won't destroy your chances against ultra transitions. just because taeja answered with a oneliner about a specific situation doesn't invalidate the idea
Well it does make Ghosts pointless, what are you meant to do with them once Ultralisks are out when it takes 22 snipes to kill 1 Ultralisk?
My solution personally would be removing the Transfuse spell, it's complete utter bs running around with 6 queens with Full energy
or queens can only transfure other queens and buildings.
On October 05 2012 21:25 Orek wrote: Inevitable balance discussion when Zerg wins.
Terran wins = This Terran is better Zerg wins = Zerg OP is the current metagame in forums. It would take some time to shift this metagame.
This is very frustrating. When Mvp and Taeja won in the late game (dealing fine with infestor/Brood) all I read was how good they were. Now Symbol doesn't get the same credit because all the Terrans want to balance whine to make excuses for their own bad play. So sad
Leenock destroyed Taeja, did you not watch Cloud Kingdom?
Taeja was probably lucky to win the series if Leenock didn't try some strange double Roach Warren build in the middle of a ro8 finals.
Didn't watch game four?
When Leenock destroyed Taeja in game 1, (if I recalled correctly) Taeja had a significant supply advantage and did not make any noticeable mis-micro, with Taeja saying he didn't think he made any major mistake in that engagement.
When Taeja won game 4, Leenock had Taeja in a choke, and then donated ultras which allowed Taeja to walk under the BL army to destory him.
On October 05 2012 21:21 Grumbels wrote: how about ghosts? nukes would have deterred symbol
This was already answered by Taeja, a full Ultralisk transition will just outright destroy him
People thought ghost were an option against infestor/brood after nerf? I thought that was always a troll haha
you need two ghosts and two ghost academies in order to use nukes, it's not a "lol are you trolling???" question, it won't destroy your chances against ultra transitions. just because taeja answered with a oneliner about a specific situation doesn't invalidate the idea
Well it does make Ghosts pointless, what are you meant to do with them once Ultralisks are out when it takes 22 snipes to kill 1 Ultralisk?
My solution personally would be removing the Transfuse spell, it's complete utter bs running around with 6 queens with Full energy
or queens can only transfure other queens and buildings.
yea was thinkin about that too, would be good if blizz would patch that
I disagree about just because the pros aren't using ghosts, they aren't viable. The game evolves over time. A few months ago we never saw any hellion banshee openings, but now they are almost standard in tvz. Mind you neither unit was buffed recently, the meta game just changed. I think if pros used their ghosts more wisely, we could see a counter to Bl/infester. Look at the way some Protoss use their HT, they transport then around in warp prisms, keep them isolated from their main army for storm flanks etc. These type of tactics would be even easier to pull off because ghosts can cloak. Now look at how successful the Protoss are doing in Korea lately. Terran need to start thinking of new tactics.
On October 05 2012 21:31 S_SienZ wrote: Reason you will always hear "The Terran was better" is because they managed to stay at the top despite not getting a single buff and only nerfs since launch.
Same reason why terms like Patch Zergs exist with no equivalent for T.
Funny, I could swear seeker missile speed was increased in a patch not too long ago. But +2 range on the 8 dps ground attack of Queens makes a bigger difference in Broodlord Infestor lategame am I right?
On October 05 2012 21:31 S_SienZ wrote: Reason you will always hear "The Terran was better" is because they managed to stay at the top despite not getting a single buff and only nerfs since launch.
Same reason why terms like Patch Zergs exist with no equivalent for T.
This isn't true and your argument is stupid. T was horribly op so they got nerfed. Just because the Terrans that had success when the game was unbalanced doesn't mean they are better to still be around when it is.
Even though I more or less agree with your opinion above, you shouldn't state things in such an antagonistic way. This is why internet arguments are never resolved.
yah my apologies but it is so frustrating to see hard working pros like Symbol not get the credit they deserve after how well he played.
On October 05 2012 21:25 Orek wrote: Inevitable balance discussion when Zerg wins.
Terran wins = This Terran is better Zerg wins = Zerg OP is the current metagame in forums. It would take some time to shift this metagame.
This is very frustrating. When Mvp and Taeja won in the late game (dealing fine with infestor/Brood) all I read was how good they were. Now Symbol doesn't get the same credit because all the Terrans want to balance whine to make excuses for their own bad play. So sad
Because Terrans back in the beginning all got "Omg OP IMBA NERF" and they've been nerfed into the ground. The other two races have had dozens of buffs.
On October 05 2012 21:31 S_SienZ wrote: Reason you will always hear "The Terran was better" is because they managed to stay at the top despite not getting a single buff and only nerfs since launch.
Same reason why terms like Patch Zergs exist with no equivalent for T.
Funny, I could swear seeker missile speed was increased in a patch not too long ago. But +2 range on the 8 dps ground attack of Queens makes a bigger difference in Broodlord Infestor lategame am I right?
On October 05 2012 21:31 S_SienZ wrote: Reason you will always hear "The Terran was better" is because they managed to stay at the top despite not getting a single buff and only nerfs since launch.
Same reason why terms like Patch Zergs exist with no equivalent for T.
Funny, I could swear seeker missile speed was increased in a patch not too long ago. But +2 range on the 8 dps ground attack of Queens makes a bigger difference in Broodlord Infestor lategame am I right?
On October 05 2012 21:39 Incomplet wrote: I disagree about just because the pros aren't using ghosts, they aren't viable. The game evolves over time. A few months ago we never saw any hellion banshee openings, but now they are almost standard in tvz. Mind you neither unit was buffed recently, the meta game just changed. I think if pros used their ghosts more wisely, we could see a counter to Bl/infester. Look at the way some Protoss use their HT, they transport then around in warp prisms, keep them isolated from their main army for storm flanks etc. These type of tactics would be even easier to pull off because ghosts can cloak. Now look at how successful the Protoss are doing in Korea lately. Terran need to start thinking of new tactics.
ForGG was using hellion/banshee every game for months on end.
Lol MarineKing and ByuN got beaten by SymboL? This is so sad for Prime that they are mainly a terran team, TvZ is so ridiculously hard that they lose to TSL -_-.
On October 05 2012 21:31 S_SienZ wrote: Reason you will always hear "The Terran was better" is because they managed to stay at the top despite not getting a single buff and only nerfs since launch.
Same reason why terms like Patch Zergs exist with no equivalent for T.
Funny, I could swear seeker missile speed was increased in a patch not too long ago. But +2 range on the 8 dps ground attack of Queens makes a bigger difference in Broodlord Infestor lategame am I right?
On October 05 2012 21:26 Vanadiel wrote: Funny that everyone complain about Zerg lategame in ZvT, while the only zerg who advanced this week in GSL is the one that didn't try to go to lategame.
In my opinion if Life had gone against a more cerebral player of the same caliber he would have had a tougher time, and probably would have lost.
Yeah agreed on that, I would love to be proven wrong but I don't believe that Life stand a chance against Taeja in Ro4 and that it's gonna be a quick 3-0. Anyway, I really don't understand sometimes, people complain about imbalance because of Symbol won with lategame, while he has been completely dominated in the same match up just few days ago ago by MVP, the only game he won was an all in.
Symbol is an amazing player, he should get credit for how he plays instead of bashing the balance of the game.
On October 05 2012 21:39 Incomplet wrote: I disagree about just because the pros aren't using ghosts, they aren't viable. The game evolves over time. A few months ago we never saw any hellion banshee openings, but now they are almost standard in tvz. Mind you neither unit was buffed recently, the meta game just changed. I think if pros used their ghosts more wisely, we could see a counter to Bl/infester. Look at the way some Protoss use their HT, they transport then around in warp prisms, keep them isolated from their main army for storm flanks etc. These type of tactics would be even easier to pull off because ghosts can cloak. Now look at how successful the Protoss are doing in Korea lately. Terran need to start thinking of new tactics.
Lol, do you realize that shift in meta you mentioned was due to the buff for queens... Which made any non all in pressure from Terran such as bio, bio/hellion not work... If you nerfing queens back again, you will see more hellion contains and bio pushes.
And you warp prism example doesn't work because of creep, which the Zerg hardly ever goes off of until they have killed the Terran army. You can blind side terrans with prism HT, much harder with drop ship ghosts. Plus terrans don't have a spell that can insta land and hold a prism in place.
On October 05 2012 21:21 Grumbels wrote: how about ghosts? nukes would have deterred symbol
This was already answered by Taeja, a full Ultralisk transition will just outright destroy him
People thought ghost were an option against infestor/brood after nerf? I thought that was always a troll haha
you need two ghosts and two ghost academies in order to use nukes, it's not a "lol are you trolling???" question, it won't destroy your chances against ultra transitions. just because taeja answered with a oneliner about a specific situation doesn't invalidate the idea
Well it does make Ghosts pointless, what are you meant to do with them once Ultralisks are out when it takes 22 snipes to kill 1 Ultralisk?
My solution personally would be removing the Transfuse spell, it's complete utter bs running around with 6 queens with Full energy
On October 05 2012 21:31 S_SienZ wrote: Reason you will always hear "The Terran was better" is because they managed to stay at the top despite not getting a single buff and only nerfs since launch.
Same reason why terms like Patch Zergs exist with no equivalent for T.
Funny, I could swear seeker missile speed was increased in a patch not too long ago. But +2 range on the 8 dps ground attack of Queens makes a bigger difference in Broodlord Infestor lategame am I right?
On October 05 2012 21:31 S_SienZ wrote: Reason you will always hear "The Terran was better" is because they managed to stay at the top despite not getting a single buff and only nerfs since launch.
Same reason why terms like Patch Zergs exist with no equivalent for T.
Funny, I could swear seeker missile speed was increased in a patch not too long ago. But +2 range on the 8 dps ground attack of Queens makes a bigger difference in Broodlord Infestor lategame am I right?
You obviously know a lot about the game... I wasn't talking about that patch.
Patch 1.4.0:
Raven: Seeker missile movement speed increased from 2.5 to 2.953.
But OMG, Terran has only been nerfed.
u said "not long ago"? that patch was long ago , more than 1 year
nice dodge
The game has been out for almost 3 years. I made it very specific what buff I was talking about, I said seeker missile speed. It was in response to a post whining about lategame, and claiming Terran had only received nerfs. When MVP was destroying Broodlords with Ravens not too long ago at IEM, I bet he wasn't complaining that seeker missiles were buffed to be faster.
On October 05 2012 21:39 Incomplet wrote: I disagree about just because the pros aren't using ghosts, they aren't viable. The game evolves over time. A few months ago we never saw any hellion banshee openings, but now they are almost standard in tvz. Mind you neither unit was buffed recently, the meta game just changed. I think if pros used their ghosts more wisely, we could see a counter to Bl/infester. Look at the way some Protoss use their HT, they transport then around in warp prisms, keep them isolated from their main army for storm flanks etc. These type of tactics would be even easier to pull off because ghosts can cloak. Now look at how successful the Protoss are doing in Korea lately. Terran need to start thinking of new tactics.
Lol, do you realize that shift in meta you mentioned was due to the buff for queens... Which made any non all in pressure from Terran such as bio, bio/hellion not work... If you nerfing queens back again, you will see more hellion contains and bio pushes.
And you warp prism example doesn't work because of creep, which the Zerg hardly ever goes off of until they have killed the Terran army. You can blind side terrans with prism HT, much harder with drop ship ghosts. Plus terrans don't have a spell that can insta land and hold a prism in place.
Which goes to show that Banshee hellion would have been even more viable before the queen buff, people weren't just doing it yet. Sorry but If people refuse to have more than 1 hot key for their army and split a few ghosts up for flanks when they already have cloak, then that's their own fault. You mentioned it's "much harder to use drop ships than warp prism" yes I'll give you that, but it's not impossible and certainly viable.
On October 05 2012 21:39 Incomplet wrote: I disagree about just because the pros aren't using ghosts, they aren't viable. The game evolves over time. A few months ago we never saw any hellion banshee openings, but now they are almost standard in tvz. Mind you neither unit was buffed recently, the meta game just changed. I think if pros used their ghosts more wisely, we could see a counter to Bl/infester. Look at the way some Protoss use their HT, they transport then around in warp prisms, keep them isolated from their main army for storm flanks etc. These type of tactics would be even easier to pull off because ghosts can cloak. Now look at how successful the Protoss are doing in Korea lately. Terran need to start thinking of new tactics.
Lol, do you realize that shift in meta you mentioned was due to the buff for queens... Which made any non all in pressure from Terran such as bio, bio/hellion not work... If you nerfing queens back again, you will see more hellion contains and bio pushes.
And you warp prism example doesn't work because of creep, which the Zerg hardly ever goes off of until they have killed the Terran army. You can blind side terrans with prism HT, much harder with drop ship ghosts. Plus terrans don't have a spell that can insta land and hold a prism in place.
Which goes to show that Banshee hellion would have been even more viable before the queen buff, people weren't just doing it yet. Sorry but If people refuse to have more than 1 hot key for their army and split a few ghosts up for flanks when they already have cloak, then that's their own fault. You mentioned it's "much harder to use drop ships than warp prism" yes I'll give you that, but it's not impossible and certainly viable.
Not really. The reason banshee hellion is good now is because the Zerg meta is just building queens for defense. So hellion banshee is design to counter that. If queens all go to defend vs banshee, hellions run in. If queens get aggressive and go off creep, banshee could snipe them. However, the meta pre queen buff was more building spines and lings for hellion defense. And queens never chased hellions off creep since they would kited even on creep. If Zerg has spines and lings, they are perfectly fine with hellion banshee.
It is similar to how roach bane ling all ins seems to be more effective now even with no direct buffs. But many terrans builds go 3CC, thus make roach bane that much stronger.
As for viable, it is impossible to prove since no one seems to be able to do it at the top level. Maybe the top terrans have been practicing with it but haven't gotten comfortable enough with it yet. I am sure progamers of all races are trying out new things in practice, but unless they can refine it enough to be effective, they don't use it in important matches. Things like Mvp mech vs zerg has probably been in the works for a couple months. And might not even be by Mvp himself. Maybe IM terrans saw another Terran going mech and just tried to fine tune it.
On October 05 2012 21:31 S_SienZ wrote: Reason you will always hear "The Terran was better" is because they managed to stay at the top despite not getting a single buff and only nerfs since launch.
Same reason why terms like Patch Zergs exist with no equivalent for T.
Funny, I could swear seeker missile speed was increased in a patch not too long ago. But +2 range on the 8 dps ground attack of Queens makes a bigger difference in Broodlord Infestor lategame am I right?
You obviously know a lot about the game... I wasn't talking about that patch.
Patch 1.4.0:
Raven: Seeker missile movement speed increased from 2.5 to 2.953.
But OMG, Terran has only been nerfed.
u said "not long ago"? that patch was long ago , more than 1 year
nice dodge
The game has been out for almost 3 years. I made it very specific what buff I was talking about, I said seeker missile speed. It was in response to a post whining about lategame, and claiming Terran had only received nerfs. When MVP was destroying Broodlords with Ravens not too long ago at IEM, I bet he wasn't complaining that seeker missiles were buffed to be faster.
1) Game has barely been out two years actually.
2) Point out 1 buff out the tons of nerfs, especially a buff that really had no change on the meta whatsoever. Really great idea.
3) When MVP was destroying Brood Lords with Ravens it was on a very specific map in a very specific situation. Metropolis is the only map where you can do this because you can split it in half and use defensive planetaries. Besides, proper splitting mitigates this.
On October 05 2012 21:39 Incomplet wrote: I disagree about just because the pros aren't using ghosts, they aren't viable. The game evolves over time. A few months ago we never saw any hellion banshee openings, but now they are almost standard in tvz. Mind you neither unit was buffed recently, the meta game just changed. I think if pros used their ghosts more wisely, we could see a counter to Bl/infester. Look at the way some Protoss use their HT, they transport then around in warp prisms, keep them isolated from their main army for storm flanks etc. These type of tactics would be even easier to pull off because ghosts can cloak. Now look at how successful the Protoss are doing in Korea lately. Terran need to start thinking of new tactics.
the queen buff did nothing ... seriously almost all the major metagame shifts in WoL have been due to up/nerfs. People didn't misteriously discovered that infestors were good, they buff it... The mass ghost style or bfh openings were a rather cool exception but was nerf to death... then you've smaller changes that can make a style viable (multiple banshees for mech) often related to a bigger change.
On October 05 2012 21:39 Incomplet wrote: I disagree about just because the pros aren't using ghosts, they aren't viable. The game evolves over time. A few months ago we never saw any hellion banshee openings, but now they are almost standard in tvz. Mind you neither unit was buffed recently, the meta game just changed. I think if pros used their ghosts more wisely, we could see a counter to Bl/infester. Look at the way some Protoss use their HT, they transport then around in warp prisms, keep them isolated from their main army for storm flanks etc. These type of tactics would be even easier to pull off because ghosts can cloak. Now look at how successful the Protoss are doing in Korea lately. Terran need to start thinking of new tactics.
the queen buff did nothing ... seriously almost all the major metagame shifts in WoL have been due to up/nerfs. People didn't misteriously discovered that infestors were good, they buff it... The mass ghost style or bfh openings were a rather cool exception but was nerf to death... then you've smaller changes that can make a style viable (multiple banshees for mech) often related to a bigger change.
Agreed. The hellion banshee into mech is a counter to the queen -->ling/bling --> infestor--> broodlord zerg meta right now. It actually has a tough time against early muta builds since the terrans needs time to get Thors out. That is why Taeja was afraid of using it vs Leenock.
I am referring to going mutas before you can confirm mech. The mech build CAN deal with reactive muta builds since Thors/turrets will be up in time.
I don't really see how terran can hoep to kill the bls/queen/infestor composition without ghosts. If I remember the lategame zerg was essentially making infestor/bls/corrupors and go with your queen. Now the zergs makes queen before hive, so they end up with ~10 queen with their push instead of 4-5. If they are full mana, it's 4000hp worth of healing (8 ultras ). If the zerg don't screw up by engaging in a concave, I don't think you can reasonably hope to kill a good chunk of the death ball.
I bet that when the other zerg will catch up to the way leenock makes his bl pushes, you will see terrans try to EMP or snipe queens.
On October 05 2012 23:35 kubiks wrote: I don't really see how terran can hoep to kill the bls/queen/infestor composition without ghosts. If I remember the lategame zerg was essentially making infestor/bls/corrupors and go with your queen. Now the zergs makes queen before hive, so they end up with ~10 queen with their push instead of 4-5. If they are full mana, it's 4000hp worth of healing (8 ultras ). If the zerg don't screw up by engaging in a concave, I don't think you can reasonably hope to kill a good chunk of the death ball.
I bet that when the other zerg will catch up to the way leenock makes his bl pushes, you will see terrans try to EMP or snipe queens.
In order for ghosts to get in range with the queens/infestors without broodlings/your own tanks hitting them, you need to kill the detection first. If the zerg has more than 1 overseer in the army, that can be hard to do.
On October 05 2012 21:26 Vanadiel wrote: Funny that everyone complain about Zerg lategame in ZvT, while the only zerg who advanced this week in GSL is the one that didn't try to go to lategame.
In my opinion if Life had gone against a more cerebral player of the same caliber he would have had a tougher time, and probably would have lost.
If Life went against a different player, he would have played differently. That is the entire point of his style.
On October 05 2012 23:43 opterown wrote: ah, sad about prime
just letting you guys know i can't do mvp vs startale tomorrow, would appreciate if someone could =]
I cant do it either because I have to be up early Saturday morning to drive a couple of hours so I dont want to be up all night. Can someone please do it? It's really easy. Opterown already premade the OP. You just have to add in players and maps
EPT
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