On September 17 2012 07:30 muzzy wrote: Also, when I say "The Humble Korean" , I don't see how some idiots are perceiving that as racist. I'm talking about the stereotypical way many Korean progamers quietly accept victory and defeat, without showing emotion. That has nothing to do with race. Also I should point out that "Korean" is not a race, it's a nation and a culture...
And I also think it's ridiculous that people will claim that it's somehow racist to support a foreigner/Westerner. People like underdog stories! It's more exciting when it is a David vs Goliath kind of scenario. It just so happens to be that Goliath in SC2 is Korea. If the situation were reversed, and Westerners won every event, there would be tons of people rooting for the lone Korean who was making his way through the brackets.
We saw this same crap in the DOTA2 International. The Chinese obviously were fielding all the best teams, so many were rooting for NaVi because they are charismatic and seen as an underdog of sorts. But, of course, the holier-than-thou white guys come out and claim we are racist because we don't want the Chinese team to win...
Except when you get people who actually say that they lose interest when the last foreigner falls, and then coincidentally the viewer count drops dramatically, it makes you wonder. FYI I am white and even I am not blind sighted by this obvious patriotism/racism/anti-Korean whatever it is, its sickening.
I know you're white. It's always the white guys that scream "RACIST!". Interesting how that works.
Once again, the viewer count drops because it is not as interesting to see the expected winners continue winning. People like to see upsets, we like to see crazy stories and underdogs coming through to win.
When we get to a championship final and the top teams or players are exactly what we expected them to be, it's kind of a "oh, ok, I get it..." scenario. You keep trying to claim it's about race, which is entirely false.
Stephano hasn't been an underdog for about a year. His winning tournaments is about as much of an upset as discovering that the GSL is broadcast in Korea.
On September 17 2012 07:45 mordk wrote: Personally I'd say Stephano has a good shot at taking the world title, maybe if Curious plays his best SC2 he's the most favored player against him, as well as Seed, but we all have seen Curious in the big stage before and know what happens....
As a Stephano antifan it saddens me, but he might win it all, I don't have much faith in Creator, Squirtle, or HerO to take it, I'd throw in a wild guess and say Rain is gonna give a good performance if he manages to qualify
All in all, I'd say the following to be most likely winners of WCS global finals:
1.- Seed 2.- Curious 3.- Stephano
And that's coming from an antifan
I agree with ur list but I would add squirtle to the likely winners. And if Scarlett and Stephano meet, that could easily go either way.
On September 17 2012 07:30 muzzy wrote: Also, when I say "The Humble Korean" , I don't see how some idiots are perceiving that as racist. I'm talking about the stereotypical way many Korean progamers quietly accept victory and defeat, without showing emotion. That has nothing to do with race. Also I should point out that "Korean" is not a race, it's a nation and a culture...
And I also think it's ridiculous that people will claim that it's somehow racist to support a foreigner/Westerner. People like underdog stories! It's more exciting when it is a David vs Goliath kind of scenario. It just so happens to be that Goliath in SC2 is Korea. If the situation were reversed, and Westerners won every event, there would be tons of people rooting for the lone Korean who was making his way through the brackets.
We saw this same crap in the DOTA2 International. The Chinese obviously were fielding all the best teams, so many were rooting for NaVi because they are charismatic and seen as an underdog of sorts. But, of course, the holier-than-thou white guys come out and claim we are racist because we don't want the Chinese team to win...
Except when you get people who actually say that they lose interest when the last foreigner falls, and then coincidentally the viewer count drops dramatically, it makes you wonder. FYI I am white and even I am not blind sighted by this obvious patriotism/racism/anti-Korean whatever it is, its sickening.
Dude you are getting all wrong. I like underdog stories, or rivalries of some sort. I usually don't watch games unless there is a story behind it or is an important match or is claimed as a good match by friends or one of my favorite players is in the game. So If it's Lowely vs Happy, I won't watch. If it's Symbol vs Seed, I won't watch. If it's Revival vs NightEnd, I won't watch. However if this is Stephano vs NaNiwa, I will watch because there is something to it, a story to tell. This tournament was interesting because Stephano just joined EG and it is fun to make fun of the curse. Say we have a scenario where we have Stephano vs Genius and HerO vs NaNiwa. If Stephano and Naniwa both advances, I will watch because, as I said, there is a story to it. The match importance goes beyond the simple "who is gonna advance". It's a match to determine who is the best foreigner. Something to root for. If it's Naniwa vs Genius, I will watch because there is a rivalry between these two guys and that's cool. If it's Stephano vs HerO I will also watch because it will probably be damn good matches and HerO is one of my favorite players. If Genius and HerO advances, I won't watch because there is nothing to it, it's just a match amongst other. It isn't anything more than a PvP between two guys, there is no back story. I guess I was a racist all along and I didn't knew it.
On September 17 2012 07:32 Meggiroth wrote: Look at the koreans qualified for WCS and tell me who can beat Stephano? (No Oz,Revival, Violet around /trollface)
atm there is only 1 korean qualified and he is favored against stephano.
As favoured as Taeja supposedly was? So many clueless people around that don't event know whats stephano's record against koreans or who competes at wcs asian finals. So much stephano hate lol. Don't worry you'll hate him even more when he wins thechina final.
Ok, lol. I don't mind Stephano winning it but I'm just being realistic and I don't think that it is going to happen.
If Stephano avoid most of the really good ZvZ specialist and get mostly protoss he is going to win the hole thing
On September 17 2012 07:42 Fjodorov wrote: Didnt Mana beat stephano at dreamhack summer? And before that he lost to Sase in mlg or something. Dunno why ppl are talking like he doesnt lose to protoss...
might be because his winning % in 2012 is 77.42%
And he only lost those games because it was a meta game build Stephano didn't knew how to deal with it. It took him 1 week to fix it and dominated Hero at NASL when he tried that build
That's very confident of you. I'd like to see that happen but there really are going to be a lot of other top players there. Even in the ZvP matchup I don't think it's clear cut for Stephano, some of the korean PvZ especially looks pretty scary.
On September 17 2012 07:30 muzzy wrote: Also, when I say "The Humble Korean" , I don't see how some idiots are perceiving that as racist. I'm talking about the stereotypical way many Korean progamers quietly accept victory and defeat, without showing emotion. That has nothing to do with race. Also I should point out that "Korean" is not a race, it's a nation and a culture...
And I also think it's ridiculous that people will claim that it's somehow racist to support a foreigner/Westerner. People like underdog stories! It's more exciting when it is a David vs Goliath kind of scenario. It just so happens to be that Goliath in SC2 is Korea. If the situation were reversed, and Westerners won every event, there would be tons of people rooting for the lone Korean who was making his way through the brackets.
We saw this same crap in the DOTA2 International. The Chinese obviously were fielding all the best teams, so many were rooting for NaVi because they are charismatic and seen as an underdog of sorts. But, of course, the holier-than-thou white guys come out and claim we are racist because we don't want the Chinese team to win...
Except when you get people who actually say that they lose interest when the last foreigner falls, and then coincidentally the viewer count drops dramatically, it makes you wonder. FYI I am white and even I am not blind sighted by this obvious patriotism/racism/anti-Korean whatever it is, its sickening.
Dude you are getting all wrong. I like underdog stories, or rivalries of some sort. I usually don't watch games unless there is a story behind it or is an important match or is claimed as a good match by friends or one of my favorite players is in the game. So If it's Lowely vs Happy, I won't watch. If it's Symbol vs Seed, I won't watch. If it's Revival vs NightEnd, I won't watch. However if this is Stephano vs NaNiwa, I will watch because there is something to it, a story to tell. This tournament was interesting because Stephano just joined EG and it is fun to make fun of the curse. Say we have a scenario where we have Stephano vs Genius and HerO vs NaNiwa. If Stephano and Naniwa both advances, I will watch because, as I said, there is a story to it. The match importance goes beyond the simple "who is gonna advance". It's a match to determine who is the best foreigner. Something to root for. If it's Naniwa vs Genius, I will watch because there is a rivalry between these two guys and that's cool. If it's Stephano vs HerO I will also watch because it will probably be damn good matches and HerO is one of my favorite players. If Genius and HerO advances, I won't watch because there is nothing to it, it's just a match amongst other. It isn't anything more than a PvP between two guys, there is no back story. I guess I was a racist all along and I didn't knew it.
I have never completely understood this
I would watch all of those matches , just for the high level SC2
On September 17 2012 07:30 muzzy wrote: Also, when I say "The Humble Korean" , I don't see how some idiots are perceiving that as racist. I'm talking about the stereotypical way many Korean progamers quietly accept victory and defeat, without showing emotion. That has nothing to do with race. Also I should point out that "Korean" is not a race, it's a nation and a culture...
And I also think it's ridiculous that people will claim that it's somehow racist to support a foreigner/Westerner. People like underdog stories! It's more exciting when it is a David vs Goliath kind of scenario. It just so happens to be that Goliath in SC2 is Korea. If the situation were reversed, and Westerners won every event, there would be tons of people rooting for the lone Korean who was making his way through the brackets.
We saw this same crap in the DOTA2 International. The Chinese obviously were fielding all the best teams, so many were rooting for NaVi because they are charismatic and seen as an underdog of sorts. But, of course, the holier-than-thou white guys come out and claim we are racist because we don't want the Chinese team to win...
Except when you get people who actually say that they lose interest when the last foreigner falls, and then coincidentally the viewer count drops dramatically, it makes you wonder. FYI I am white and even I am not blind sighted by this obvious patriotism/racism/anti-Korean whatever it is, its sickening.
I know you're white. It's always the white guys that scream "RACIST!". Interesting how that works.
Once again, the viewer count drops because it is not as interesting to see the expected winners continue winning. People like to see upsets, we like to see crazy stories and underdogs coming through to win.
When we get to a championship final and the top teams or players are exactly what we expected them to be, it's kind of a "oh, ok, I get it..." scenario. You keep trying to claim it's about race, which is entirely false.
I do agree with you, however Stephano has been the "expected winner" for awhile now. Even Seltzer mentioned after one of the grand final matches "I love Stephano but I really want to see another winner"
On September 17 2012 06:59 muzzy wrote: Got to love all the nerds complaining that he is too cocky or cares about the money. He has personality, get over it. The "Humble Korean" act doesn't fly with foreign audiences... it's boring. Nobody wants a guy to go up there and pretend he is so humbled by the experience, so grateful, bla bla bla. The dude just smashed the best Europe has to offer and took home a $25 grand. He should be hyped and he should be cocky.
All the haters can keep on hating, because it's obvious that Stephano draws the crowds. Any tournament he is in, the stream numbers show it. Hell, look at the stream numbers as soon as he starts playing... they always spike and drop when he is done. Whole tournaments suffer when this guy is knocked out early (doesn't happen often...).
Much better, IMO, than half these guys who get up on stage and offer no conversation or emotion at all.
Naniwa can be as "passionate" about the game as he wants... doesn't seem to be getting him too far. Maybe money and success are better driving factors.
Sorry but the only reason Stephano is popular is because he is white and can occasionally take down Koreans. Its racist, narrow-minded people like you, who have no idea about the enthusiasm of many Koreans who make me sick.
In other words: 1 Korean wins and is a bore = all koreans are boring? 1 foreigner celebrates in style = all foreigners celebrate in style?
LOL. Take your racism and GTFO out of Team Liquid.
Thank you for proving my point.
Those Koreans have PERSONALITY. Everyone loves MC, DRG... Firebathero, Keen... these guys are cocky and behave exactly like Stephano!
When I say "The Humble Korean" act, I'm obviously referring to the stereotypical way most Korean progamers (it's changing lately, though) just say "oh, great games. My opponent played well. I thank all my fans" and silently take their prize money.
MC coming out as the undertaker is cocky as hell and everyone loved it.
Has nothing to do with Stephano being white. You know why Stephano has such a bigger fanbase than Naniwa, despite arguably being on the same skill level? Personality. Naniwa is shy, quiet and doesn't show his joy, excitement and pride in winning.
Why don't you GTFO of TL and realize what the people want. You are in the minority.
I don't recall MC having a reputation for talking about his tournament wins only in terms of how much money he makes...
It has a lot to do with Stephano being - if not white - foreign. There is a subtle undercurrent of racism that runs through the attitudes of some people, but it's nowhere near as bad as he suggested. There are plenty of people who freely admit they do not give a crap about Koreans period, and will stop watching any tournament the moment the last foreigner is eliminated.
I'd say that Stephano would be popular regardless of skin colour, because his popularity derives from being the only foreigner who can regularly beat Koreans in major tournaments. The entire foreign community - especially the part that flatly refuse to watch anything involving Koreans - has someone to rally around.
It's silly to act like his personality is the primary reason for his popularity. It isn't. His success is why he's popular, and a lot of people - even his fans - have expressed reservations about his personality.
Don't mind myself. He's honest, and I prefer honesty in a man. If the money's all he cares about, power to him.
I don't think you shoud call that "racism". Fact is if a non korean wins over a korean, non korean audience will most likely be happy but it is mainly a coincidence. I explain myself: In sport or competition, a lot of people like to watch women competing in fields where they would get crush by men, and even in fields that doesn"t require high physical skills. Are those people insulting men? (or are they "racist" with men or the appropriate term in english sry). I don't think so. If a girl is n°1 but would be a no name if she was competing with men, she is likely to be more famous and make more money than if she was a man. There is that feeling with korean a little bit. They are way better overall and therefore it's a bit boring/not as exciting to see them win. If you add to that the big cultural difference, aka humbleness/shyness/langage barrier (even if there are like 10% EXCEPTIONS), there goes your thing.
On September 17 2012 07:30 muzzy wrote: Also, when I say "The Humble Korean" , I don't see how some idiots are perceiving that as racist. I'm talking about the stereotypical way many Korean progamers quietly accept victory and defeat, without showing emotion. That has nothing to do with race. Also I should point out that "Korean" is not a race, it's a nation and a culture...
And I also think it's ridiculous that people will claim that it's somehow racist to support a foreigner/Westerner. People like underdog stories! It's more exciting when it is a David vs Goliath kind of scenario. It just so happens to be that Goliath in SC2 is Korea. If the situation were reversed, and Westerners won every event, there would be tons of people rooting for the lone Korean who was making his way through the brackets.
We saw this same crap in the DOTA2 International. The Chinese obviously were fielding all the best teams, so many were rooting for NaVi because they are charismatic and seen as an underdog of sorts. But, of course, the holier-than-thou white guys come out and claim we are racist because we don't want the Chinese team to win...
Except when you get people who actually say that they lose interest when the last foreigner falls, and then coincidentally the viewer count drops dramatically, it makes you wonder. FYI I am white and even I am not blind sighted by this obvious patriotism/racism/anti-Korean whatever it is, its sickening.
I know you're white. It's always the white guys that scream "RACIST!". Interesting how that works.
Once again, the viewer count drops because it is not as interesting to see the expected winners continue winning. People like to see upsets, we like to see crazy stories and underdogs coming through to win.
When we get to a championship final and the top teams or players are exactly what we expected them to be, it's kind of a "oh, ok, I get it..." scenario. You keep trying to claim it's about race, which is entirely false.
I do agree with you, however Stephano has been the "expected winner" for awhile now. Even Seltzer mentioned after one of the grand final matches "I love Stephano but I really want to see another winner"
I also don't understand this
I love seeing MVP roll everything and MC get as many GSLs as possible
On September 17 2012 07:44 Incomplet wrote: WCS World Championship. Koreans knock out everyone, Stephano is the last foreigner standing. Stephano gets knocked out taking 8th place, viewers drop by 50% because there are only Koreans left (even though they show amazing play). You heard it here first, remember it.
As for Revel8, go read some of my posts. I fully support many foreign players such as Grubby for his passion and modesty and Naniwa & Mana for their dedication by going to Korea.
Stephano will go to GSL next year. I expect when that happens you'll still be shit-talking him. If you actually gave any credit to achievements in SC2 you would not bash Stephano. It is that simple. He is incredibly good for the SC2 scene. Helping bringing in viewers at this stage of the development of SC2 could be crucial in helping the long-term viability of the scene. He inspires lots of players around the world that Foreigners can be successful at this SC2 thing. 100,000 people watched that victory. Why on earth would you complain about that unless you have some sort of malicious agenda? It is almost like you resent SC2 being popular globally.
I am not saying you should support Stephano in his matches, or saying you have to like him or anything but he adds a lot to the scene and constantly attempting to denigrate his achievements just makes it look as if you want the Foreign scene to die. Personally I like MLGs and IPLs and Dreamhacks. If the public lose interest then these tournaments will die or move on from SC2.
On September 17 2012 07:30 muzzy wrote: Also, when I say "The Humble Korean" , I don't see how some idiots are perceiving that as racist. I'm talking about the stereotypical way many Korean progamers quietly accept victory and defeat, without showing emotion. That has nothing to do with race. Also I should point out that "Korean" is not a race, it's a nation and a culture...
And I also think it's ridiculous that people will claim that it's somehow racist to support a foreigner/Westerner. People like underdog stories! It's more exciting when it is a David vs Goliath kind of scenario. It just so happens to be that Goliath in SC2 is Korea. If the situation were reversed, and Westerners won every event, there would be tons of people rooting for the lone Korean who was making his way through the brackets.
We saw this same crap in the DOTA2 International. The Chinese obviously were fielding all the best teams, so many were rooting for NaVi because they are charismatic and seen as an underdog of sorts. But, of course, the holier-than-thou white guys come out and claim we are racist because we don't want the Chinese team to win...
Except when you get people who actually say that they lose interest when the last foreigner falls, and then coincidentally the viewer count drops dramatically, it makes you wonder. FYI I am white and even I am not blind sighted by this obvious patriotism/racism/anti-Korean whatever it is, its sickening.
Dude you are getting all wrong. I like underdog stories, or rivalries of some sort. I usually don't watch games unless there is a story behind it or is an important match or is claimed as a good match by friends or one of my favorite players is in the game. So If it's Lowely vs Happy, I won't watch. If it's Symbol vs Seed, I won't watch. If it's Revival vs NightEnd, I won't watch. However if this is Stephano vs NaNiwa, I will watch because there is something to it, a story to tell. This tournament was interesting because Stephano just joined EG and it is fun to make fun of the curse. Say we have a scenario where we have Stephano vs Genius and HerO vs NaNiwa. If Stephano and Naniwa both advances, I will watch because, as I said, there is a story to it. The match importance goes beyond the simple "who is gonna advance". It's a match to determine who is the best foreigner. Something to root for. If it's Naniwa vs Genius, I will watch because there is a rivalry between these two guys and that's cool. If it's Stephano vs HerO I will also watch because it will probably be damn good matches and HerO is one of my favorite players. If Genius and HerO advances, I won't watch because there is nothing to it, it's just a match amongst other. It isn't anything more than a PvP between two guys, there is no back story. I guess I was a racist all along and I didn't knew it.
I have never completely understood this
I would watch all of those matches , just for the high level SC2
Depends on how I fell during the day, some times I will just open up the tournament stream, lay back and watch the whole damn thing, every match, every player, everything. Some other times I don't feel like doing this and I want to play also, so I keep an eye on the bracket and watch matches that stand out. Sometimes it's because of the story, sometimes it's because of Seed vs Taeja, two players that are pretty fucking amazing.
Seeing people follow storyline isn't new, just look at WCS Korea with KeSPA vs ESF, or people saying Code A is more interesting than Code S this season even tho this season's Code S fields one of the most amazing lineup I have ever seen. People like storyline I guess.
If I want to watch high level SC, I usually go to Gomtv.net tho
I've seen people calling this awkward... LOL. No silly b**ches. If 1-2 ppl were dancing out of the whole room you could possibly call it awkward, or they are just having fun. However, if 100 ppl are jumping and dancing at an event and you find it awkward then YOU are the awkward one.
That's very confident of you. I'd like to see that happen but there really are going to be a lot of other top players there. Even in the ZvP matchup I don't think it's clear cut for Stephano, some of the korean PvZ especially looks pretty scary.
Well it's not easy to say whether he will win or not, but he will clearly be, along with Creator, the favourite. I would even place him ahead of Creator, because Stephano manages to play always at his very best while Creator's results are more irregular. Also, his ZvZ impoved a lot.
That's very confident of you. I'd like to see that happen but there really are going to be a lot of other top players there. Even in the ZvP matchup I don't think it's clear cut for Stephano, some of the korean PvZ especially looks pretty scary.
Well it's not easy to say whether he will win or not, but he will clearly be, along with Creator, the favourite. I would even place him ahead of Creator, because Stephano manages to play always at his very best while Creator's results are more irregular. Also, his ZvZ impoved a lot.
On September 17 2012 06:59 muzzy wrote: Got to love all the nerds complaining that he is too cocky or cares about the money. He has personality, get over it. The "Humble Korean" act doesn't fly with foreign audiences... it's boring. Nobody wants a guy to go up there and pretend he is so humbled by the experience, so grateful, bla bla bla. The dude just smashed the best Europe has to offer and took home a $25 grand. He should be hyped and he should be cocky.
All the haters can keep on hating, because it's obvious that Stephano draws the crowds. Any tournament he is in, the stream numbers show it. Hell, look at the stream numbers as soon as he starts playing... they always spike and drop when he is done. Whole tournaments suffer when this guy is knocked out early (doesn't happen often...).
Much better, IMO, than half these guys who get up on stage and offer no conversation or emotion at all.
Naniwa can be as "passionate" about the game as he wants... doesn't seem to be getting him too far. Maybe money and success are better driving factors.
Sorry but the only reason Stephano is popular is because he is white and can occasionally take down Koreans. Its racist, narrow-minded people like you, who have no idea about the enthusiasm of many Koreans who make me sick.
In other words: 1 Korean wins and is a bore = all koreans are boring? 1 foreigner celebrates in style = all foreigners celebrate in style?
LOL. Take your racism and GTFO out of Team Liquid.
Thank you for proving my point.
Those Koreans have PERSONALITY. Everyone loves MC, DRG... Firebathero, Keen... these guys are cocky and behave exactly like Stephano!
When I say "The Humble Korean" act, I'm obviously referring to the stereotypical way most Korean progamers (it's changing lately, though) just say "oh, great games. My opponent played well. I thank all my fans" and silently take their prize money.
MC coming out as the undertaker is cocky as hell and everyone loved it.
Has nothing to do with Stephano being white. You know why Stephano has such a bigger fanbase than Naniwa, despite arguably being on the same skill level? Personality. Naniwa is shy, quiet and doesn't show his joy, excitement and pride in winning.
Why don't you GTFO of TL and realize what the people want. You are in the minority.
I don't recall MC having a reputation for talking about his tournament wins only in terms of how much money he makes...
It has a lot to do with Stephano being - if not white - foreign. There is a subtle undercurrent of racism that runs through the attitudes of some people, but it's nowhere near as bad as he suggested. There are plenty of people who freely admit they do not give a crap about Koreans period, and will stop watching any tournament the moment the last foreigner is eliminated.
I'd say that Stephano would be popular regardless of skin colour, because his popularity derives from being the only foreigner who can regularly beat Koreans in major tournaments. The entire foreign community - especially the part that flatly refuse to watch anything involving Koreans - has someone to rally around.
It's silly to act like his personality is the primary reason for his popularity. It isn't. His success is why he's popular, and a lot of people - even his fans - have expressed reservations about his personality.
Don't mind myself. He's honest, and I prefer honesty in a man. If the money's all he cares about, power to him.
I don't think you shoud call that "racism". Fact is if a non korean wins over a korean, non korean audience will most likely be happy but it is mainly a coincidence. I explain myself: In sport or competition, a lot of people like to watch women competing in fields where they would get crush by men, and even in fields that doesn"t require high physical skills. Are those people insulting men? (or are they "racist" with men or the appropriate term in english sry). I don't think so. If a girl is n°1 but would be a no name if she was competing with men, she is likely to be more famous and make more money than if she was a man. There is that feeling with korean a little bit. They are way better overall and therefore it's a bit boring/not as exciting to see them win. If you add to that the big cultural difference, aka humbleness/shyness/langage barrier (even if there are like 10% EXCEPTIONS), there goes your thing.
I'm hesitant to blanket-throw the racism word. However I've seen some commenters who 100% struck me as racist in LRs, though I'm certain they'd defend themselves vociferously if called on it.
Of course it could just be that I prefer to watch the game and I like watching high level play. A lot of sports fans care nothing about high level play unless THEIR TEAM is showing it. That's often how it goes with football fans. Either way, I'm not quick to brand someone racist, but I genuinely believe there is a somewhat nasty undercurrent of it in the SC 2 community.
I don't believe it's serious enough to ever become a true problem, however, nor do I think it will go away. The warm reaction players like Jaedong and Flash got when they did that invitational tournament, or the truly heartwarming 'MMA, MMA' chant is plenty evidence that - in general - we accept our Korean overmasters and acknowledge their awesome play rather than hate them for it.
On September 17 2012 07:44 Incomplet wrote: WCS World Championship. Koreans knock out everyone, Stephano is the last foreigner standing. Stephano gets knocked out taking 8th place, viewers drop by 50% because there are only Koreans left (even though they show amazing play). You heard it here first, remember it.
As for Revel8, go read some of my posts. I fully support many foreign players such as Grubby for his passion and modesty and Naniwa & Mana for their dedication by going to Korea.
Stephano will go to GSL next year. I expect when that happens you'll still be shit-talking him. If you actually gave any credit to achievements in SC2 you would not bash Stephano. It is that simple. He is incredibly good for the SC2 scene. Helping bringing in viewers at this stage of the development of SC2 could be crucial in helping the long-term viability of the scene. He inspires lots of players around the world that Foreigners can be successful at this SC2 thing. 100,000 people watched that victory. Why on earth would you complain about that unless you have some sort of malicious agenda? It is almost like you resent SC2 being popular globally.
I doubt it, stephano's been in it for the money, wouldn't make mich sense for him to play GSL. He's turned down 4 seed invites already, doubt he's going to take the next.
The tournament itself was nice, but seeing Stephano play against foreigners is quite often boring. Yeah that's a bit exaggerated, he had a few close and good games this tourney. But many others he just roflstomps. Koreans may overall be better but what I like is that at the very top (Kespa players are getting there or are there already) they are pretty even. Foreigners? Yeah 99% of the time you can say Stephano wins against foreigners. At least it feels that way and that is anticlimatic. Boring.
On September 17 2012 07:44 Incomplet wrote: WCS World Championship. Koreans knock out everyone, Stephano is the last foreigner standing. Stephano gets knocked out taking 8th place, viewers drop by 50% because there are only Koreans left (even though they show amazing play). You heard it here first, remember it.
As for Revel8, go read some of my posts. I fully support many foreign players such as Grubby for his passion and modesty and Naniwa & Mana for their dedication by going to Korea.
Stephano will go to GSL next year. I expect when that happens you'll still be shit-talking him. If you actually gave any credit to achievements in SC2 you would not bash Stephano. It is that simple. He is incredibly good for the SC2 scene. Helping bringing in viewers at this stage of the development of SC2 could be crucial in helping the long-term viability of the scene. He inspires lots of players around the world that Foreigners can be successful at this SC2 thing. 100,000 people watched that victory. Why on earth would you complain about that unless you have some sort of malicious agenda? It is almost like you resent SC2 being popular globally.
I doubt it, stephano's been in it for the money, wouldn't make mich sense for him to play GSL. He's turned down 4 seed invites already, doubt he's going to take the next.
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